AVB has the highest points total achieved by the Spurs since 1899. He didn't get any of the players he asked for, but instead received a bunch of players he didn't want from Baldini, and was given 4 months to turn these players into a team. AVB was only 5 points away from a top 4 finish at the time of his sacking.
He was miles away from a top 4 finish...the season doesn't end in January....if AVB was allowed to continue we'd be pretty much where we are & maybe got to the last 8 of the Europa League (whoop de do). AVB effectively wanted to turn Spurs into Porto, right down to buying the same playes he had before. The guy was so inflexible that he could only work with one set of players. Since Tim has taken over, a man with no tactical nous whatsoever & has spent most of his time in charge throwing his gilet about & slagging off the team in public, Spurs haven't really done any worse.....that goes to show you how bad AVB had become.
***** Every manager brings some of their favourite players from their previous club and it makes perfect sense. You want to have some players who already know your style, what you expect of them, believe in you, and can transmit that belief to the other players. I repeat, AVB was 5 points away from a top four finish, and this was when he had 4 months to integrate SEVEN Baldini players that he didn't even ask for. A manager should be consulted on player transfers. It's mind-mindbogglingly stupid the way the Spurs treated AVB and then (along with the media) made him into a scapegoat. It's funny how quickly AVB turned Zenit around. Best of luck with Tim whoever, and Joe nobody.
Indubitably AVB paid the price for several high profile drubbings in the league, on a lesser note the board may have wanted a more exciting brand of football played at the lane.
fuzzylogiceire They shouldn't have hired him in the first place, and are they better off now? I can tell you that Zenit is happy. AVB has completely turned them around.
Indubitably "It's funny how quickly AVB turned Zenit around." Zenit have, by some distance, the best squad of players in that country. Exactly how good does someone have to be to get results with that team in a poor league like the Russian league? Much like Portugal with Sporting, Benfica & Porto, besides Zenit & CSKA it's not exactly a strong competition.
As a Liverpool fan i`ve always hated Gaz and thought he was a deuche and somewhat overrated as a footballer. But as a pundit, there`s noone better. Absolutely brilliant to listen to.
KingQuraish Yes, sadly this is my opinion too. Just goes to show that just because you were a professional at the highest level, doesn`t necesarrily mean you have a clue about the game.
Psychobingo dont forget if you have to pundit as a job your doing it constantly and you HAVE to have an opinion. harder than it looks, also I hear sooo many football fans talking absolute nonsense... over analyisng everything with no inside knowledge of the club. these guys have had long successful careers and most people haven't even been to a training session at a semi pro level let alone at premiership standard. Fans have far less knowledge than they think. just listen to talk sport for 5 mins. Doesn't mean their opinions are worthless though. speculation is just speculation whomever it comes from.
The manager, we have the lowest spend, what Levy has backed Poch to do is just heaven and earth from what went on in the past. Now all we need is The Glory, win things #COYS !!!
Very interesting point by Gary at the end, comparing it to how it was in Italy before... that's money I think. They had the money before, now the prem does, all about the pressure that puts on and instant success needed
Unfortunately I have to agree with Neville, even though I love Tottenham. We need some manager stability, regardless of the results. I would have been content with keeping AVB to help our players gel a bit more.
liverpool finished 7th last season and most liverpool fans and thankfully the owners were realistic and knew the first season was going to take time. but with spurs its like they expect instant success, i thought they made a huge mistake getting rid of AVB he was doing the best with what he had, done a good job under terrible circumstances with the media and the spurs owners. sherwood has done a similar job with losing by high score lines and winning games they should be winning but once again the owners show there lack of football knowledge and impatience.
"i thought they made a huge mistake getting rid of AVB he was doing the best with what he had," The only mistake was the timing. They perhaps should have let him see the season out....He couldn't have done any worse than Sherwood. But AVB was alienating players, playing ppl in the wrong positions, using a horribly methodical style of football, was starting to blame the fans, the media.....he was losing the plot.
Gary is spot on and Carra is right Spurs arent a Liverpool, a United or an Arsenal. Why is there so much expectation at WHL? Ambition is good but theyve got to be realistic.
"Ambition is good but theyve got to be realistic." We are the 4th most successful English club in European competition after United, Liverpool & now Chelsea. We've qualified for Europe 6 times in the last 7 seasons. The last 4 seasons we've finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th. Above Liverpool each time. I think it's perfectly realistic for us to think we can finish in the top 4.
***** The shit decisions we make is in the hiring of the managers, not the firing. Redknapp was fired for openly courting another job, then having the cheek to come back & ask levy for a long contract & threaten him with lawyers.....not to mention being joint second place in jan 2012 with an 11 pt lead over Arsenal, then picking up only 4 pts from the next 13 games, using the same 14 players week in week out even tho it was obvious to everyone they were knackered & ending up just about scraping 4th over newcastle i would have fired him too.
***** I think you missed Arsenal? Not to mention Man City will continue to finish ahead of Spurs while the oil funding continues. Sorry, but I dont see Spurs in the top 4 any time soon.
***** "I think you missed Arsenal?" Nope i haven't missed Arsenal at all. Arsenal's "success" in Europe amounts to 1 Fairs Cup (a crappy precursor to the more competitive UEFA Cup/Europa League where teams were invited in on the basis of being present at trade fairs) & 1 European Cup Winners LOLcup which has always been considered to be the weakest of the 3 euro comps & was definitely the weakest when Arsenal finally won it in 1994 - a mere 5 years before it was scrapped for being a pile of dogshit. Arsenal's European history pales in comparison to Spurs 3 European triumphs which consist of 2 UEFA Cups (a competition which was arguably stronger than the European Cup pre Champions League-era) & winning the Cup Winners Cup in 1963, becoming the first British club to win any European competition =P
Tottenham is quite an elite club. They are rich and they are always #6 or 5. Never understood why they never made it to the top four with the talents they had... It's really the chairman that's hte problem I mean, wtf do you expect if you change managers twice every year?
they lost 1 good player last summer, but i dont hear people talk about Modric which in my eyes is one of the best technical midfielders in the world.to withouth him they lost a very good player too.. to bad
the point here is that, bring Sherwood in mid term didn't impact Spurs and if AVB had been given till the end of the season he would have better knowledge and could of done something different but little gary said next season pochettino will have a better soldado, paulinho and lamella and co which is unfair for both tim and andre
***** They both deserved to get the sack really. AVB had lost the plot & harry was spending half the time flirting with the England job whilst we picked up 4 points from 13 games & dropped from joint second in January to 4th place by April....then after Hodgson got the job the guy comes back & has the cheek to ask for an extended contract? Fuck harry. Look where he is now, struggling to get promotion with the most expensive QPR team in history. The sackings is not the problem, it's getting the appointments right in the first place.
I don't understand Carragher's comments on Spurs not being better than a top six team, he questions tottenham's desire to progress as a club, we finished fourth twice in the last four seasons, we have finished above Liverpool 3 times in the last four seasons...
I'm happy Tottenham aren't successful this season..too many rash decisions on managers and players trying to spend and be successful like Man City..teams should be focused on homegrown talent..surprisingly Liverpool are starting about 6 every and I hope they win the league
Why are all these random Liverpool fans here pontificating about our treatment of managers... Maybe we should ask "King" Kenny & Uncle Woy about the Anfield approach to managers..
Actually no one thinks or expects you to, the problem is your board now expects it and the fact is right now you aren't good enough, believe me Spurs' board are the only people expecting you to make top 4
a manger should make transfer targets not sum1 who is a puppet from the directors ie farnco baldini he wasted the whole bale money ,apart from paulino and erickson
As an American who loves football, when it came to picking a team to root for I didn't want to be a bandwagoner and pick a big club like Man U. I picked Spurs and it's frustrating to watch them make such foolish decisions and waste talent.
***** Doesn't hurt that Tom Hanks supports them and they do have a good history of winning a couple decades ago. Perhaps I could consider it, I don't wanna give up on my team just yet tho.
***** "Terribly unlucky. If you feel like trying again go for Villa, they're about to be bought out so they could be challenging in a few years. Lots of tradition at that club," LOL at go for Villa, yeah sure if you like the thrill of being in a relegation dogfight every year...... Villa havent been relevant since the days of Graham Taylor. Such an overrated club, the only reason they *still* get talked about as being "big" is because they have a biggish stadium that used to get used for FA cup semis a lot..... The harsh truth is If it was on honours then Villa would be about at the same level as Preston North End & Huddersfield Town. Bar a few Carling Cups dotted around here & there (and a lucky European Cup won in an era when the tournament was so weak that English teams only had to turn up to win), most of Villa's achievements happened before the turn of the *last* century.
Frustrating, but not surprising! You have a top manager now, but if you don't finish top 4 (which is highly likely that you won't) he could be gone in 12 months also!
raxmarrone ***** ***** I think the best team to follow that isn't too big, would be either Everton, or even Swansea if you want a bit smaller. Everton and Swansea play well against big teams and have great support, while usually being underdogs against big teams, but still get results. They are entertaining to watch too, playing some nice football. Also I doubt you'll find many Everton or Swansea fans walking around your area wearing their shirt! I am an Arsenal supporter btw!
Love him or hate him as a footballer.. As a pundit Gary Neville talks nothing but sense!! As for Jamie I think their are a lot of ex players and potential pundits that could do a much better job. Forget this trying to get a fair contrast of pundit in one ex man utd and one ex pool for fairness.. And go with simply quality. Think Jamie should be axed for someone new Sky Sports
That's stupid agree with the Neville but but carragher is a good pundit when it comes to actually analysing games he is good and learn of him a lot he will do better than Henry Henry will be biased in my opinion
they probably get new manager in . he'll finished 5th in his first season . have a bad start to the next season and then he'll be sacked . levy will say bcos he missed out on champs lge, then spurs will be back square one
Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barry and others, plus Coleman will probably want to leave, Howard is getting old and Arsenal are back at fourth, and they still have City to place, Everton 5th maybe 6th
As a United fan I've always loved Gary and think he is applying his football know-how very well with MNF.
shame he lost 7-0 as a manager
AVB has the highest points total achieved by the Spurs since 1899. He didn't get any of the players he asked for, but instead received a bunch of players he didn't want from Baldini, and was given 4 months to turn these players into a team. AVB was only 5 points away from a top 4 finish at the time of his sacking.
He was miles away from a top 4 finish...the season doesn't end in January....if AVB was allowed to continue we'd be pretty much where we are & maybe got to the last 8 of the Europa League (whoop de do).
AVB effectively wanted to turn Spurs into Porto, right down to buying the same playes he had before. The guy was so inflexible that he could only work with one set of players.
Since Tim has taken over, a man with no tactical nous whatsoever & has spent most of his time in charge throwing his gilet about & slagging off the team in public, Spurs haven't really done any worse.....that goes to show you how bad AVB had become.
***** Every manager brings some of their favourite players from their previous club and it makes perfect sense. You want to have some players who already know your style, what you expect of them, believe in you, and can transmit that belief to the other players. I repeat, AVB was 5 points away from a top four finish, and this was when he had 4 months to integrate SEVEN Baldini players that he didn't even ask for. A manager should be consulted on player transfers. It's mind-mindbogglingly stupid the way the Spurs treated AVB and then (along with the media) made him into a scapegoat. It's funny how quickly AVB turned Zenit around. Best of luck with Tim whoever, and Joe nobody.
Indubitably AVB paid the price for several high profile drubbings in the league, on a lesser note the board may have wanted a more exciting brand of football played at the lane.
fuzzylogiceire They shouldn't have hired him in the first place, and are they better off now? I can tell you that Zenit is happy. AVB has completely turned them around.
Indubitably
"It's funny how quickly AVB turned Zenit around."
Zenit have, by some distance, the best squad of players in that country. Exactly how good does someone have to be to get results with that team in a poor league like the Russian league? Much like Portugal with Sporting, Benfica & Porto, besides Zenit & CSKA it's not exactly a strong competition.
Gotta love Gary Neville, great pundit and I always agree with what he's saying.
As a Liverpool fan i`ve always hated Gaz and thought he was a deuche and somewhat overrated as a footballer. But as a pundit, there`s noone better. Absolutely brilliant to listen to.
The same, however, cannot be said about Jamie!! Sorry but he's terrible to listen to.
KingQuraish Yes, sadly this is my opinion too. Just goes to show that just because you were a professional at the highest level, doesn`t necesarrily mean you have a clue about the game.
Psychobingo dont forget if you have to pundit as a job your doing it constantly and you HAVE to have an opinion. harder than it looks, also I hear sooo many football fans talking absolute nonsense... over analyisng everything with no inside knowledge of the club. these guys have had long successful careers and most people haven't even been to a training session at a semi pro level let alone at premiership standard. Fans have far less knowledge than they think. just listen to talk sport for 5 mins. Doesn't mean their opinions are worthless though. speculation is just speculation whomever it comes from.
Its nice to see someone who is honest for once.
Gary Neville knows his shit
Could listen to Gary all day!
3 years later we are 2nd in the league and considered Title contenders.......
The manager, we have the lowest spend, what Levy has backed Poch to do is just heaven and earth from what went on in the past. Now all we need is The Glory, win things #COYS !!!
We are just missing trophies
... and 3 years later you've still won nothing ahahaha
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Great to look back at this compared to where we are now. COYS.
Very interesting point by Gary at the end, comparing it to how it was in Italy before... that's money I think. They had the money before, now the prem does, all about the pressure that puts on and instant success needed
Unfortunately I have to agree with Neville, even though I love Tottenham. We need some manager stability, regardless of the results. I would have been content with keeping AVB to help our players gel a bit more.
liverpool finished 7th last season and most liverpool fans and thankfully the owners were realistic and knew the first season was going to take time. but with spurs its like they expect instant success, i thought they made a huge mistake getting rid of AVB he was doing the best with what he had, done a good job under terrible circumstances with the media and the spurs owners. sherwood has done a similar job with losing by high score lines and winning games they should be winning but once again the owners show there lack of football knowledge and impatience.
"i thought they made a huge mistake getting rid of AVB he was doing the best with what he had,"
The only mistake was the timing. They perhaps should have let him see the season out....He couldn't have done any worse than Sherwood.
But AVB was alienating players, playing ppl in the wrong positions, using a horribly methodical style of football, was starting to blame the fans, the media.....he was losing the plot.
Gary is spot on and Carra is right Spurs arent a Liverpool, a United or an Arsenal. Why is there so much expectation at WHL? Ambition is good but theyve got to be realistic.
"Ambition is good but theyve got to be realistic."
We are the 4th most successful English club in European competition after United, Liverpool & now Chelsea.
We've qualified for Europe 6 times in the last 7 seasons.
The last 4 seasons we've finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th. Above Liverpool each time.
I think it's perfectly realistic for us to think we can finish in the top 4.
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The shit decisions we make is in the hiring of the managers, not the firing.
Redknapp was fired for openly courting another job, then having the cheek to come back & ask levy for a long contract & threaten him with lawyers.....not to mention being joint second place in jan 2012 with an 11 pt lead over Arsenal, then picking up only 4 pts from the next 13 games, using the same 14 players week in week out even tho it was obvious to everyone they were knackered & ending up just about scraping 4th over newcastle
i would have fired him too.
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I think you missed Arsenal? Not to mention Man City will continue to finish ahead of Spurs while the oil funding continues. Sorry, but I dont see Spurs in the top 4 any time soon.
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"I think you missed Arsenal?"
Nope i haven't missed Arsenal at all. Arsenal's "success" in Europe amounts to 1 Fairs Cup (a crappy precursor to the more competitive UEFA Cup/Europa League where teams were invited in on the basis of being present at trade fairs) & 1 European Cup Winners LOLcup which has always been considered to be the weakest of the 3 euro comps & was definitely the weakest when Arsenal finally won it in 1994 - a mere 5 years before it was scrapped for being a pile of dogshit.
Arsenal's European history pales in comparison to Spurs 3 European triumphs which consist of 2 UEFA Cups (a competition which was arguably stronger than the European Cup pre Champions League-era) & winning the Cup Winners Cup in 1963, becoming the first British club to win any European competition =P
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And haven't Spurs done well in the Champions League? Lets face it, no one really cares about the Europa League.
Tottenham is quite an elite club.
They are rich and they are always #6 or 5. Never understood why they never made it to the top four with the talents they had... It's really the chairman that's hte problem
I mean, wtf do you expect if you change managers twice every year?
Watching this now is hilarious, most consistent top 3 team in the last 4 years and now in the semi finals of the Champions League
well, it came at a price, no trophy since time unknown.
@@aashutoshkonge1285 wdym 'came at a price' LOL
Neville should run fifa 100% the right man
4:25 Chris Hughton is Irish 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Talking about remits, Red Nev hasn't spoken much about the Glazers has he?
What are they expecting of Moyes?
they lost 1 good player last summer, but i dont hear people talk about Modric which in my eyes is one of the best technical midfielders in the world.to withouth him they lost a very good player too.. to bad
the point here is that, bring Sherwood in mid term didn't impact Spurs and if AVB had been given till the end of the season he would have better knowledge and could of done something different but little gary said next season pochettino will have a better soldado, paulinho and lamella and co which is unfair for both tim and andre
Avb should never have been sacked
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They both deserved to get the sack really. AVB had lost the plot & harry was spending half the time flirting with the England job whilst we picked up 4 points from 13 games & dropped from joint second in January to 4th place by April....then after Hodgson got the job the guy comes back & has the cheek to ask for an extended contract? Fuck harry. Look where he is now, struggling to get promotion with the most expensive QPR team in history.
The sackings is not the problem, it's getting the appointments right in the first place.
I don't understand Carragher's comments on Spurs not being better than a top six team, he questions tottenham's desire to progress as a club, we finished fourth twice in the last four seasons, we have finished above Liverpool 3 times in the last four seasons...
He's right though, Spurs are always where you expect them to be, near the top 4 and occasionally in the top 4
Tottenham sack too fast, why was Redknapp sacked??
For me, the best spurs manager!
Cannot stand Neville, but he speaks sense here.
I'm happy Tottenham aren't successful this season..too many rash decisions on managers and players trying to spend and be successful like Man City..teams should be focused on homegrown talent..surprisingly Liverpool are starting about 6 every and I hope they win the league
Why are all these random Liverpool fans here pontificating about our treatment of managers...
Maybe we should ask "King" Kenny & Uncle Woy about the Anfield approach to managers..
very different
We've made the champions league once and now everyone expects us to every year!
Actually no one thinks or expects you to, the problem is your board now expects it and the fact is right now you aren't good enough, believe me Spurs' board are the only people expecting you to make top 4
a manger should make transfer targets not sum1 who is a puppet from the directors ie farnco baldini he wasted the whole bale money ,apart from paulino and erickson
As an American who loves football, when it came to picking a team to root for I didn't want to be a bandwagoner and pick a big club like Man U. I picked Spurs and it's frustrating to watch them make such foolish decisions and waste talent.
***** Doesn't hurt that Tom Hanks supports them and they do have a good history of winning a couple decades ago. Perhaps I could consider it, I don't wanna give up on my team just yet tho.
***** Yeah he is a total dickhead, definitely says half of the stuff he says to try and stir up an argument. Thank god his show on CNN was cancelled.
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"Terribly unlucky. If you feel like trying again go for Villa, they're about to be bought out so they could be challenging in a few years. Lots of tradition at that club,"
LOL at go for Villa, yeah sure if you like the thrill of being in a relegation dogfight every year......
Villa havent been relevant since the days of Graham Taylor. Such an overrated club, the only reason they *still* get talked about as being "big" is because they have a biggish stadium that used to get used for FA cup semis a lot.....
The harsh truth is If it was on honours then Villa would be about at the same level as Preston North End & Huddersfield Town. Bar a few Carling Cups dotted around here & there (and a lucky European Cup won in an era when the tournament was so weak that English teams only had to turn up to win), most of Villa's achievements happened before the turn of the *last* century.
Frustrating, but not surprising! You have a top manager now, but if you don't finish top 4 (which is highly likely that you won't) he could be gone in 12 months also!
raxmarrone ***** ***** I think the best team to follow that isn't too big, would be either Everton, or even Swansea if you want a bit smaller. Everton and Swansea play well against big teams and have great support, while usually being underdogs against big teams, but still get results. They are entertaining to watch too, playing some nice football. Also I doubt you'll find many Everton or Swansea fans walking around your area wearing their shirt! I am an Arsenal supporter btw!
Oh how things change, now tottenham challenging for the title is more accepted... shame my football team is scared of change...
Who's here after 6-1 vs Newcastle and Stellini's sacking
Tottenham were stupid to let Harry go, it's as simple as that!
Carra just absolutely ripping Tottenham. Lovin it haha
Love him or hate him as a footballer.. As a pundit Gary Neville talks nothing but sense!! As for Jamie I think their are a lot of ex players and potential pundits that could do a much better job.
Forget this trying to get a fair contrast of pundit in one ex man utd and one ex pool for fairness.. And go with simply quality. Think Jamie should be axed for someone new Sky Sports
That's stupid agree with the Neville but but carragher is a good pundit when it comes to actually analysing games he is good and learn of him a lot he will do better than Henry Henry will be biased in my opinion
Tottenham will never be something laugh number from the finest 😂😂😂
Brazilian WAVEment
They’re still not something
they probably get new manager in . he'll finished 5th in his first season . have a bad start to the next season and then he'll be sacked . levy will say bcos he missed out on champs lge, then spurs will be back square one
a better eriksen 😲😳
So, we all want to know - what kind of team does Jamie Carragher think Leicester is?
What a bell-end.
+Qwerty Qwertyson I don't even own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack.
Even Everton have overtaken Spurs this season...RIP Spurs
ikr, RIP Wenger.
Everton will be back to mid table within a year when all their loan signings go back to their clubs.
They might even buy Benteke, or Mandzukic if they get CL football.
***** Lukaku, Deulofeu, maybe 1-2 others.
Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barry and others, plus Coleman will probably want to leave, Howard is getting old and Arsenal are back at fourth, and they still have City to place, Everton 5th maybe 6th
MOUTHY.NEVILLE. WHAT A GREAT MANAGER HE WAS SPAIN.....NOW TELLS OTHER MANAGERS WHAT THET ARE DOING WRONG WELL DONE SKY😅😆😂😂🤣
I hate this part of football, some owners are just.....
aint speculation any more looooooool
gonnae stop saying job
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