It is faster and easier to get approval for any new boosters under an EUA "status". EUAs are granted when there are no other treatments. Since there are other effective treatments and many more people with natural immunity, however it ought to be removed. After 10 years, maybe it will be pulled.
It is impossible to believe that some people can't understand that giving a booster every other month is not a viable option. At some point along this way, side-effects risk would outweigh any expected gain.
The most sane thing I've heard all week. Of course all the major news media outlets are touting this garbage. Many will break down the doors to get it.
The immunosuppressed are better protected from vaccine injury because they don’t overreact, but healthy people are more likely to be injured by manufacturing more spike proteins with every boost. If your immune response is weak, you’re better off supporting it with nutrients and sunshine, and importing antivirals from plants and (Nobel-winning) soil organisms like the ones used against other corona viruses. The risk to people with ovaries from the lipid nano particles (propylene glycol), and to young men with hearts should also be considered.
@@kellydecker8415 Israel did the first 4 in 12 months. In Canada we're on shot 5. I was first eligible August 1st 2021 and had I taken them as recommended I'd be booking my 5th right now as appointments are available as of today for the new bivalent shot, tested on 400 people. So 5 shots in 13 months, with no discussion on when it will end. And zero testing or proper monitoring of the safety of these cumulative injections. THESE ARE NOT VACCINES !!! I'm so grateful for having had the sense to get informed and avoid this experiment altogether and for my wonderful supplements. I have not contracted covid and I'm 66.
Faust absolutely does not follow the data or science. Suggesting that young people should get a booster because they will feel happy when the risk benefit profile is more risk than benefit is literally the opposite of science. He is a clown
@@Boswd No. If you follow him, he is a huge proponent of the mRNA vaccines. He does not believe they have adverse side effects that amount to a negative risk benefit ratio for young people.
@@patmonahan6844 I you look at the studies in which they did cardiac MRIs on young men with Covid, myocarditis was extremely prevalent. The risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is much lower… but I get your point maybe when you are talking about a 3rd and 4th dose is where the risk/benefit ratio is no longer favorable.
@@alexanderjamieson7971 those studies that show age corrected/sex corrected show mRNA spike protein causes far more myocarditis than the whole virus does. This is what is problematic with treating the public like we are too stupid to be treated with dignity/respect and blanket "one size fits all" for "simplicity in messaging"
Why don't specialists talk about boosting our natural immunity with vitamins, dietary changes and supplements instead of jabbing every 4 months with experimental chemicals?
Did you know the immune system naturally declines with age? No amount of vitamins, etc. will stop that natural process. However vaccines with adjuvants try to illicit a greater immune response. Still due to natural aging of the immune system, a younger person will respond better than an older person to a vaccine.
@@marklemont3735 well then, let's line up every four months and get the jab, just like your Pfizer and Moderna overlords command you to do...even though there are some some FDA doctors like Dr. Offit say it's not right to do so.
@@alexzabala2154No, it’s have common sense and wear an N95 mask in crowds. It’s called personable responsibility for your own health and the health of your family. No fun being very sick and sharing it with others at home.
@@marklemont3735 cool...you could habe my jab then. Ironically, I'm not an antivaxxer, I had my jab dose...I get it...i even wear a mask...but a jab every four months? It's ludicrous and not scientific. There are a growing number of scientists that are not in agreement...and because of this California is trying pass a new law that allows a doctors license to be revoked if they spread 'misinformation'....but that's ok...carry on...
I know plenty of people who are clean or just got the first poison poke and are not getting any boosters. We all got covid, some delta and omicron. We now have natural immunity and thats according to my doctor.
Prospective study, tested before "vaccine" and then tested after "vaccine", of young men 29% had heart symptoms, 1/43 had myocarditis and most did not know they had heart damage.
@@surnbe The Big Ten study was conducted in 2020, before the vaccine rollout. It studied athletes post-Covid infection subclinical myocarditis responses. Not the vaccine response. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@surnbe you could easily look up the study right now and see that it ended in Dec 2020, before the rollout of the vaccine, but you won't because you have a preconceived narrative about vaccines. I don't even disagree with you that young men are at risk for subclinical myocarditis from the vaccine, but using the Big Ten study to bolster your point is a farce. If anything, it shows that the virus presents a great risk for myocarditis in the unnvaccinated.
How does the original jab continue to protect severe illness when all the insurance companies reported a surge of death rate late year, especially among young working people?
If someone died they were 10x-20x to be unvaccinated depending on the variant and amount circulating in the community at the time. The problem is it's really contagious and keeps getting more contagious with each variant. It's about as contagious as the measles now and that's the most contagious disease we know of. So a large portion of the country got it last year.
Are you talking about the excess deaths that are being reported in many countries? That’s non Covid related deaths that have surged and they’re trying to determine if it’s from the vaccine or the lockdown.
@@patty-cf7jj and also deaths fluctuate from year to year. Crime is up 50% almost everywhere and that fluctuates too. People who really want to tie excess deaths to the vaccine need to look at a system like Kaiser Permenante in CA, which has about 12 million patients and banned Bextra before the FDA did just by sifting through their records of patients on it and adverse effects. Or look at Israel and the UK with their socialized medicine and ease of sifting through millions of electronic medical records. The fact is people are trying, but they just can't tie it to the vaccine, and it's the most monitored vaccine in history (VEARS in US, Eudravigilance in EU, Yellow Card in UK) so it wouldn't be hard to tie it to the vaccine if it was true. In fact shortly after the J&J vaccine debuted they immediately found a clotting issue, pulled it from the market, studied it and re-introduced it not recommending it to younger people.
@@chadh6855 you are so wrong, if the person had underlying health issue they were the ones who were more likely to die. Do your research!!!!! Most of us who are healthy and had this made up flu now are immune. You don't need any poison to help your body do what is natural. So STOP spewing lies. Measles are not a death sentence unless you have an underlying health issue and its the same with chickenpox.
@@lorietaylor4665 well I actually have a medical degree. Did you pass 9th grade biology? And I've withdrawn life support on a couple of 30-something normally healthy people while their mom was watching and crying. Have you? I'm not withdrawing life support from the "poisoned." If you are please tell me where all these poisoned people are dying.
I fail to see the evidence proving reduction serious illness. My reason is no one has defined the true at risk group to baseline from, simple as that because everything else is theory and old data
I think the randomized study design comparing anti bodies in three dose people to four dose people is insufficient. They need to do a randomized trial that compares all cause hospitalization person-days in people who take a vaccine regimen (like, boosters every six months) to those who never take any vaccine. I'd say it is ethical to do this because the people in the trial would be VOLUNTEERS, so it is okay if they get a placebo, and, since no RCT has ever shown a benefit on this end -point, noone really knows if it isn't better to be the in the placebo group anyways. We have to stop thinking that 'just because there is a risk to mitigate' that means we have to try to mitigate it before we prove our mitigation strategy is net beneficial. Gotta prove net benefit. Period.
and the pharma company literally have the BILLIONS in profits to do this but NOPE-why bother when they know they are protected from HARM and a ready buyer in our government?
5 years ago, this was the accepted belief among doctors and scientists. but you get called an anti-vaxxer or a heretic if you say this in 2022. people have lost their damn minds, and pharma/govt are loving it. $$$$
@@Costa_Conn so the covid vaccines work for such a short period of time (at best) that it is impractical to actually prove they work before giving them to people. That's the sad reality.
Enough with using surrogate endpoints. The only thing that matters is severe illness/hospitalization/death. It is that clinical endpoint that should be weighed against the risk of adverse events. Make Pfizer and Moderna do proper studies - EUA’s can no longer be justified.
Without detailed, reliable data on vaccine injuries I remain unconvinced regarding the wisdom of those most vulnerable to serious illness getting boosted. From the little data on side effects that we have it seems likely that those with weakened immune systems and multiple comorbidities are also most likely to suffer vaccine injury. The total lack of discussion regarding the potential for this is deeply distressing and one can't help but wonder why 2+ years into this pandemic we still have almost no reliable data on vaccine injury?
I know multiple healthy people who suffered severe adverse reactions ie. heart inflammation etc. days after their vax and was basically brushed off and told that they either had anxiety that caused chest discomfort or some undiagnosed heart condition that caused the inflammation etc. I doubt their vax injuries were reported. Doctors are sweeping vax injuries under the carpet and not reporting them because either they just don't want to or out of fear. A local doctor said he was warned by the medical governing body here not to report vax injuries. When he continued reporting them they revoked his medical license. I've heard multiple doctors with similar stories. So we do not have reliable vax injury data probably because it seems like the government and/or medical establisment don't want the true numbers to get out.
@@gs4913 My personal physician here in Maine had her license to practice suspended last spring because she self reported having prescribed one of the "drugs you can't name" for a Covid patient. Her hearing was delayed for months and was finally scheduled for last week. So yes physicians are very nervous about saying or doing anything that runs contrary to Covid True Belief! (This comment was not, by the way, brought to you by Pfizer)
I think the CDC lost the public when they promised getting shots would prevent infection and transmission and “end the pandemic.” I realize there was a certain giddiness when the 95% numbers were shown, but the goal of clinicians had always been prevention of severe disease/hospitalization/ventilation/death. Most clinicians knew that immunity would wane. Patients are very angry that they got symptomatic disease after 1,2,3 doses, even though we as clinicians are grateful that it is mild in so many. We have moved from “good enough” immunity protecting against the worst, to the very “best immunity” protecting from symptomatic infections. These are unrealistic goals and the damage done to public trust is enormous.
That's exactly what the problem is. I saw recent stats that now faith in childhood vaccines has gone down in many countries due to those false promises/narratives.
Dr. Offit has been a huge part of the problem and an enormous enabler of capture and corruption. These people need to be humble and admit their complicity. It's always been, "just marketing". He should have been saying much of what he is saying here, or predicted this inevitable outcome from the beginning, as other courageous and vilified experts have.
I'd say he's been a lot more right than those "CoUrAgEoUs AnD ViLlIFiEd ExPeRtS" who would have had us looking at 2 million covid deaths,at least,had so many people not been vaccinated when delta arrived last year. Yall antivaxx conspiracy goofs try your best to act like nobody remembers how badly delta crippled the health care systems of low vaccinated areas. Thank God that the biggest US metroplexes didn't fart around with the nonsense
@@kellydecker8415 I respectfully disagree. He's been a vaccine zealot with zero tolerance for exemptions or personal choice. It's not okay. He has conflicts of interest. He was very much a part of the Covid-19 vaccine mandate tyranny.
I realise this video is focusing on boosters/vaccines but seeing as nearly everyone has been infected with at least one or numerous variants by now it would have been good to know if natural immunity has the same long term protection from serious illness as the vaccines. Guess the research is more limited as there is less money in natural infection....
None of this discussion makes sense without talking about side effects of the vaccine-including boosters. The entire discussion ignores such reported effects. The discussion here assumes facts not in evidence, I.e., a basically “safe” vaccine. Also immune imprinting is somewhat described and then blight fully ignored. Not did I hear a discussion of what is the effect of having had any variant of Covid wrt a natural immune condition and the benefit of a further vaccination. All in all, this discussion was not helpful to my understanding of the benefit of vaccination. I might be in the large minority however as a person *without* vaccination and having recovered from *two* confirmed bouts with Covid-one, Delta, other Omicron.
At 14:45, he says that for a young male (college age) the benefits do not outweigh the risks for a third dose, b/c of the heart inflammation risk. So, the discussion does take safety into account.
Because this guy's got a lot of death on his hands and because he's covering up for it while trying to act like a stand-up reasonable guy who's not actually committing history revision for the benefit of those who benefited most from these rushed illegal outbreak 6 profiteering.
MarketWatch stated that pharma makes the huge profits in the annual shots...just like the annual fall flu shots. The CEO of Moderna said at the World Economic Forum that the goal all along was to get annual boosters.
Offit is giving credit to MRNA that is false. There has never been any evidence of 95 percent efficacy. He is trying to cover for massive malfeasance by the FDA, big pharma, and the medical field in general. These people need to be held accountable.
We don't have typhoid Mary, but I can tell you we do have Pandemic Patti, and she's nearby. Frankly I think they should REALLY be able to assess people, REALLY for risk, and that means knowing specifically WHO is at risk. This implies measurement of immune responses that are needed for a good outcome. After vaccination, either deliberate, or self-induced, or both, as our local Pandemic Patti had, we need some form of titer test or its equivalent, and frankly, two plus years and billions of dollars into it, it should be here by now. Imagine the extreme efficiency of targeted treatments and boosters if we KNEW what the hell we were doing. I am no medical expert and found biology the most boring subject that was ever inflicted on me, worse than Latin, and the labs that went with it were even worse, a horrid and ugly thing. My disdain for it is decades old. Hours wasted in stupid labs when they reviewed the whole thing in the next class. Statistics however, now there's a useful thing. What are the odds of a lab leak versus the yet and never to be found crossover animal, other than the human one from the lab. Statistically this thing is a lab made virus made in the lab that fools with such viruses and known to have originated IN TTHAT TOWN. The commie bastards are liars which is to repeat myself. Fauci is extremely disingenuous in his gain of function BS along with the wink and nod to third parties.
How can he say the trial was done in the right way? When the only end point was antibodies against a largely obsolete sub-variant? Where was the comparison of actual disease and severity, and all-cause mortality?
If one gets natural immunity from BA5 infection, why get a vaccine directed at a variant that one has natural immunity from anyway? Most data is stating that natural immunity lasts longer than a vaccine/booster anyway. I agree with Dr. Off it, take care of the at risk groups.
🤦♂️ dude. This guy was a mouthpiece for the medical industrial complex in the last 2 years. He ardently supports the shots. They aren't safe for adults. He should be against them for every body
Offit, who was one of the yes votes, said there is "clear evidence that the vaccine is highly effective." Loser is backtracking because he knows what's coming.
Are you serious? Have you read any of his publications? I think you may need a lesson or two in critical thinking if you think Offit has just started thinking critically. Ignorant jerk!
@@jeffreyschroeder9350 Still, for Offit, it's a step up. This is the man who said children should be taken away from their parents if they're not vaccinated.
We need to do randomized control trials that are powered for clinical outcomes. These trials need to last a long time. They can be done DURING a mass rollout of the vaccine. Why do we refuse to do randomized trials once we've given the green light on the next booster,? Are we afraid that our decision will be proven wrong? Are we afraid we will be proven right, thus making it unethical for the placebo group to be denied the actual treatment? I think any downsides of running the trial are compensated by the knowledge we gain, AND, if the vaccine is proven to be net beneficial, you could reduce vaccine hesitancy.
It is NEVER unethical to have a placebo group, especially in an mRNA gene therapy (yes, mrna falls under FDA's gene therapy guidance) trial. It is obscene that that argument is even brought up. And you know why pfizer and moderna sabotaged their control groups within 6 weeks, because all-cause mortality was trending in the wrong direction. Science has flown out the window
They know they won't get good results and that is not a criticism entirely, there are drugs that trials will not differentiate. Offit said why because the signal can't be strong enough when the baseline survival is around 95% anyway. Though it is up to people to decide how much they want to roll the dice to get that extra .2% protection. But there are other design reasons why they would not get a result. They gave it to everyone, most of whom have low chance of severe disease. This is the other way of diluting the result. While the product could still be very effective for a small segment of people, but it will not come out of a CRT that will be done on everyone to whom it has been given.
@@HondoTrailside Hondo: I get what you're saying. However, it seems you could get a statistically significant all cause mortality signal by doing a trial with just a few thousand really old people (say 80 plus year olds in nursing homes). You could justify the the trial ethically by pointing out the fact that there has never been a randomized control trial for that age group, so it is okay to allow VOLUNTEERS to possibly receive a placebo. Anyways, these are just my thoughts.
@@raymondblake5765 I was in the placebo group in the Pfizer trial for the Covid vaccine. It is unethical to keep patients in the placebo group after the treatment shows benefit. I got my placebo shots in September of 2020 and the real vaccines in January of 2021.
@@redhen689'it is unethical to keep people in the placebo group after the treatment shows benefit' I would change that to 'it is unethical to keep people in The placebo group after the treatment shows NET benefit'. In the case of the mRNA vaccines, the crossover occured before NET benefit was shown. (I would support this with a quote from the Pfizer trial, but my comment will get deleted). Thus, it would have been ethical to keep the trial going. Furthermore, there had never been a randomized control trial on really old people, or on people who had already had covid, so even IF we agree that they had to crossover the placebo people in the initial trial, they still needed to run a trial in these different populations. This is ESPECIALLY true given that governments coerced people to take the vaccine (including people who were in a category which had never been tested in an RCT). Furthermore, given that we have seen: 1) quickly waning protection conferred by the covid vaccines And 2) myocarditis being caused by the vaccines at potentially alarming rates in teen boys It is ethical NOW, in retrospect, to run some more randomized control trials, so that we can prove net benefit. If you're worried that 'some people will get a placebo and not the actual treatment', just remember that we know they will be in a similar level of protection as the treatment group after a few months anyways, AND we still don't know if the placebo group isn't better off anyways (since NET benefit was never proven). Finally, and this is REALLY important: IT IS MORE UNETHICAL TO FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE THE VACCINE AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT/ PARTICIPANT IN SCHOOL ETC. THAN IT IS TO ALLOW A VOLUNTEER TO POSSIBLY GET A PLACEBO. Remember, it would be a VOLUNTEER who gets a placebo. They're volunteers. There's nothing unethical about that. Whereas governments FORCED people to take the vaccine as a condition of employment. Some governments even fined people for not taking enough doses of the vaccine. It should be clear to any ethical person that the latter is more unethical than the former. ... Just my thoughts....
Do we have any understanding if there is an effect on the immune system by continually stimulating with spike production and the large response and production of antibodies that follows on a regular basis. Ie does this have an effect on antibody production from other disease/illnesses that are encounted at the same time. Example having flue and cv vx simultaneously, is this as effective as staggering these administrations. I have seen NO studies to show . Are we jabbing in the dark
We do. Just go to your doctor and request a test if you think there's a reason for it. If you're symptomatic of low vit D, and especially if you're black your doctor will order it without being asked if he's a good one.
@@chadh6855 I'm an ER nurse, Vitamin D levels are never checked on Covid positive pt's. Vitamin D is never ordered for covid positive pt's. Why is that?
@@scoutdixie4412 I’m a respiratory therapist. I’ve worked in Covid ICUs across the country including Manhattan when the virus first arrived. They all got vitamin D in their tube feed and trust me it didn’t help.
@@scoutdixie4412 also I will quote Cochrane's review on vitamin D and covid, and Cochrane reviews the literature better than anyone else: "There is currently insufficient evidence to determine the benefits and harms of vitamin D supplementation as a treatment of COVID-19. The evidence for the effectiveness of vitamin D supplementation for the treatment of COVID-19 is very uncertain. Moreover, we found only limited safety information, and were concerned about consistency in measurement and recording of these outcomes. There was substantial clinical and methodological heterogeneity of included studies, mainly because of different supplementation strategies, formulations, vitamin D status of participants, and reported outcomes. There is an urgent need for well-designed and adequately powered randomised controlled trials (RCTs) with an appropriate randomisation procedure, comparability of study arms and preferably double-blinding. We identified 21 ongoing and three completed studies without published results, which indicates that these needs will be addressed and that our findings are subject to change in the future. Due to the living approach of this work, we will update the review periodically." Now, that was a year ago and when they do update it they'll probably find some mild benefit, but not enough to be doing a vit D blood test on everyone testing positive in the ER.
@@scoutdixie4412 Isn't it that there is some debate over whether low Vit D is symtom or a cause? Also I'm not sure the evidence for supplementing Vit D this late is shown to have any benefit, so if this is the case there is no clinical reason to do a Vit D test.
0.84% to be exact. Was looking at that study in Absolutely Risk Reduction this morning. 🙌👍 Just not worth the serious adverse reactions alongside the 99.997% chance of survival without any treatment and a 97% in the vulnerable and compromised. Well said!! 🥰
When over 90 percent will have had the infection which gives x27 protection compared to the Vx - so this discussion is very limited and PO is still biased to Vs. Moneymoneymoney
Dr. Offit has recommended annual influenza vaccines; I believe he said last years vaccine does not protect against this years strains. If the data so far only shows the bivalent COVID vaccine gives a few months of mild disease protection; but the severe disease risk remains the same for those without severe risk factors - why is there is such a different recommendation for multivalent influenza v. COVID vaccines?
The fact that these two doctors don't mention the obvious corruption and big pharma profit motive driving policy makes this conversation a little like listening to two ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand.
People with compromise health and elderly population beside the vaccines they shouldn’t only rely in vaccines also should be follow preventive measures as wearing a mask when are in crowded places, keep their distance, to prevent not only getting Covid-19 but other infections as well
focusing on high risk people! wasn't that the position of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration fully 2 years ago? and they were drawn and quartered because of it.
I strongly believe we should have kept looking for a better more effective vaccine rather than excepting these vaccines as the only vaccines. I believe we could have done much better. As well natural immunity is a much more effective and longer-lasting immunity.
@@1LaOriental the side effects are less intense compared to all the other vaccines. Yes, it does have the 💓side effect, but it is more of a traditional vaccine similar to our flu shot, hepatitis, Shingles, etc. It's a protein-based subunit vaccine. Novavax Covid-19 Vaccine ingredients SARS-CoV-2 recombinant spike (rS) protein (original strain) disodium hydrogen phosphate heptahydrate hydrochloric acid (for adjustment of pH) polysorbate 80 sodium chloride sodium dihydrogen phosphate monohydrate sodium hydroxide (for adjustment of pH) water for injection Matrix-M adjuvant is composed of 40 nanometer particles based on saponin extracted from the Quillaja saponaria Molina bark, also known as the soap bark tree. The adjuvant is an ingredient that helps stimulate an immune response to the vaccine. cholesterol phosphatidylcholine potassium chloride potassium dihydrogen phosphate disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate sodium chloride
We are drifting, drifting away from public health needs to profit needs for industry and political needs for those in power
The stream has been running swiftly, with undercurrents, for quite awhile. And Moderna and Phizer are riding the waves.
Roaring away
After over two years all available COVID-19 vaccines, all COVID-19 treatments & all COVID-19 testing including PCR test are still under EUA. Why?
To avoid lawsuits.
If it is no longer under emergency status then the vaccine liability shield is revoked
It is faster and easier to get approval for any new boosters under an EUA "status". EUAs are granted when there are no other treatments. Since there are other effective treatments and many more people with natural immunity, however it ought to be removed. After 10 years, maybe it will be pulled.
So that they can do whatever they want under the 'emergency' banner.
@@theozzy4717 which is why the "emergency" will never end. buckle up..
It is impossible to believe that some people can't understand that giving a booster every other month is not a viable option. At some point along this way, side-effects risk would outweigh any expected gain.
The most sane thing I've heard all week.
Of course all the major news media outlets are touting this garbage.
Many will break down the doors to get it.
I haven't taken any and I've not contracted covid either. I'm a very healthy 66 yr old and I love my supplements ;)
The immunosuppressed are better protected from vaccine injury because they don’t overreact, but healthy people are more likely to be injured by manufacturing more spike proteins with every boost. If your immune response is weak, you’re better off supporting it with nutrients and sunshine, and importing antivirals from plants and (Nobel-winning) soil organisms like the ones used against other corona viruses. The risk to people with ovaries from the lipid nano particles (propylene glycol), and to young men with hearts should also be considered.
Not a single doctor is suggesting getting a vaccine every other month. Can we please lower the ridiculousness of the conversation?
@@kellydecker8415
Israel did the first 4 in 12 months. In Canada we're on shot 5. I was first eligible August 1st 2021 and had I taken them as recommended I'd be booking my 5th right now as appointments are available as of today for the new bivalent shot, tested on 400 people. So 5 shots in 13 months, with no discussion on when it will end. And zero testing or proper monitoring of the safety of these cumulative injections. THESE ARE NOT VACCINES !!!
I'm so grateful for having had the sense to get informed and avoid this experiment altogether and for my wonderful supplements. I have not contracted covid and I'm 66.
Faust absolutely does not follow the data or science.
Suggesting that young people should get a booster because they will feel happy when the risk benefit profile is more risk than benefit is literally the opposite of science.
He is a clown
i think that's what he meant I think he was saying that's the mindset of the people in that generation .
@@Boswd No. If you follow him, he is a huge proponent of the mRNA vaccines.
He does not believe they have adverse side effects that amount to a negative risk benefit ratio for young people.
@@patmonahan6844 I you look at the studies in which they did cardiac MRIs on young men with Covid, myocarditis was extremely prevalent. The risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is much lower… but I get your point maybe when you are talking about a 3rd and 4th dose is where the risk/benefit ratio is no longer favorable.
@@redhen689 which studies? I am interested.
@@alexanderjamieson7971 those studies that show age corrected/sex corrected show mRNA spike protein causes far more myocarditis than the whole virus does. This is what is problematic with treating the public like we are too stupid to be treated with dignity/respect and blanket "one size fits all" for "simplicity in messaging"
Why don't specialists talk about boosting our natural immunity with vitamins, dietary changes and supplements instead of jabbing every 4 months with experimental chemicals?
Did you know the immune system naturally declines with age? No amount of vitamins, etc. will stop that natural process. However vaccines with adjuvants try to illicit a greater immune response. Still due to natural aging of the immune system, a younger person will respond better than an older person to a vaccine.
@@marklemont3735 well then, let's line up every four months and get the jab, just like your Pfizer and Moderna overlords command you to do...even though there are some some FDA doctors like Dr. Offit say it's not right to do so.
@@alexzabala2154No, it’s have common sense and wear an N95 mask in crowds. It’s called personable responsibility for your own health and the health of your family. No fun being very sick and sharing it with others at home.
@@marklemont3735 cool...you could habe my jab then. Ironically, I'm not an antivaxxer, I had my jab dose...I get it...i even wear a mask...but a jab every four months? It's ludicrous and not scientific. There are a growing number of scientists that are not in agreement...and because of this California is trying pass a new law that allows a doctors license to be revoked if they spread 'misinformation'....but that's ok...carry on...
Also going vegan. Studies showed covid is less severe on a whole food plant based diet.
Nurse here, you stay healthier if you do not get the shots, exercise, eat healthy and have some good friends.
👍🏼💕
Has worked for me and many I'm acquainted with.
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I know plenty of people who are clean or just got the first poison poke and are not getting any boosters. We all got covid, some delta and omicron. We now have natural immunity and thats according to my doctor.
You mean friends like the lovely Ivers Mectin and his bestie, H. Chlora Quine? Those two make a nice couple, those two.
As a nurse you have zero knowledge of immunology and should absolutely not be giving out medical advice. Stick to cleaning out bedpans.
Jeremy. Where is the discussion about risk v benefit ?
Prospective study, tested before "vaccine" and then tested after "vaccine", of young men 29% had heart symptoms, 1/43 had myocarditis and most did not know they had heart damage.
Thailand study you mean?
@@Baard2000 yes and the results are confirmed by a Big Ten college athlete study
@@surnbe The Big Ten study was conducted in 2020, before the vaccine rollout. It studied athletes post-Covid infection subclinical myocarditis responses. Not the vaccine response. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@rykwon4535 it supports the rate of myocarditis and was published May 2021.
@@surnbe you could easily look up the study right now and see that it ended in Dec 2020, before the rollout of the vaccine, but you won't because you have a preconceived narrative about vaccines. I don't even disagree with you that young men are at risk for subclinical myocarditis from the vaccine, but using the Big Ten study to bolster your point is a farce. If anything, it shows that the virus presents a great risk for myocarditis in the unnvaccinated.
How does the original jab continue to protect severe illness when all the insurance companies reported a surge of death rate late year, especially among young working people?
If someone died they were 10x-20x to be unvaccinated depending on the variant and amount circulating in the community at the time. The problem is it's really contagious and keeps getting more contagious with each variant. It's about as contagious as the measles now and that's the most contagious disease we know of. So a large portion of the country got it last year.
Are you talking about the excess deaths that are being reported in many countries? That’s non Covid related deaths that have surged and they’re trying to determine if it’s from the vaccine or the lockdown.
@@patty-cf7jj and also deaths fluctuate from year to year. Crime is up 50% almost everywhere and that fluctuates too. People who really want to tie excess deaths to the vaccine need to look at a system like Kaiser Permenante in CA, which has about 12 million patients and banned Bextra before the FDA did just by sifting through their records of patients on it and adverse effects. Or look at Israel and the UK with their socialized medicine and ease of sifting through millions of electronic medical records.
The fact is people are trying, but they just can't tie it to the vaccine, and it's the most monitored vaccine in history (VEARS in US, Eudravigilance in EU, Yellow Card in UK) so it wouldn't be hard to tie it to the vaccine if it was true. In fact shortly after the J&J vaccine debuted they immediately found a clotting issue, pulled it from the market, studied it and re-introduced it not recommending it to younger people.
@@chadh6855 you are so wrong, if the person had underlying health issue they were the ones who were more likely to die. Do your research!!!!! Most of us who are healthy and had this made up flu now are immune. You don't need any poison to help your body do what is natural. So STOP spewing lies. Measles are not a death sentence unless you have an underlying health issue and its the same with chickenpox.
@@lorietaylor4665 well I actually have a medical degree. Did you pass 9th grade biology? And I've withdrawn life support on a couple of 30-something normally healthy people while their mom was watching and crying. Have you? I'm not withdrawing life support from the "poisoned." If you are please tell me where all these poisoned people are dying.
I fail to see the evidence proving reduction serious illness. My reason is no one has defined the true at risk group to baseline from, simple as that because everything else is theory and old data
I think the randomized study design comparing anti bodies in three dose people to four dose people is insufficient.
They need to do a randomized trial that compares all cause hospitalization person-days in people who take a vaccine regimen (like, boosters every six months) to those who never take any vaccine.
I'd say it is ethical to do this because the people in the trial would be VOLUNTEERS, so it is okay if they get a placebo, and, since no RCT has ever shown a benefit on this end -point, noone really knows if it isn't better to be the in the placebo group anyways.
We have to stop thinking that 'just because there is a risk to mitigate' that means we have to try to mitigate it before we prove our mitigation strategy is net beneficial.
Gotta prove net benefit. Period.
and the pharma company literally have the BILLIONS in profits to do this but NOPE-why bother when they know they are protected from HARM and a ready buyer in our government?
5 years ago, this was the accepted belief among doctors and scientists. but you get called an anti-vaxxer or a heretic if you say this in 2022.
people have lost their damn minds, and pharma/govt are loving it. $$$$
Yes but by then the BA5 variant may not be dominant, cf. flu vaccines
@@Costa_Conn so the covid vaccines work for such a short period of time (at best) that it is impractical to actually prove they work before giving them to people.
That's the sad reality.
Enough with using surrogate endpoints. The only thing that matters is severe illness/hospitalization/death. It is that clinical endpoint that should be weighed against the risk of adverse events. Make Pfizer and Moderna do proper studies - EUA’s can no longer be justified.
A very smart and responsible doctor
Without detailed, reliable data on vaccine injuries I remain unconvinced regarding the wisdom of those most vulnerable to serious illness getting boosted. From the little data on side effects that we have it seems likely that those with weakened immune systems and multiple comorbidities are also most likely to suffer vaccine injury. The total lack of discussion regarding the potential for this is deeply distressing and one can't help but wonder why 2+ years into this pandemic we still have almost no reliable data on vaccine injury?
I know multiple healthy people who suffered severe adverse reactions ie. heart inflammation etc. days after their vax and was basically brushed off and told that they either had anxiety that caused chest discomfort or some undiagnosed heart condition that caused the inflammation etc. I doubt their vax injuries were reported.
Doctors are sweeping vax injuries under the carpet and not reporting them because either they just don't want to or out of fear. A local doctor said he was warned by the medical governing body here not to report vax injuries. When he continued reporting them they revoked his medical license. I've heard multiple doctors with similar stories. So we do not have reliable vax injury data probably because it seems like the government and/or medical establisment don't want the true numbers to get out.
Adverse reactions, aside- what does it mean to keep triggering an immune response with constant boosters? Stress & fatigue?
@@gs4913 My personal physician here in Maine had her license to practice suspended last spring because she self reported having prescribed one of the "drugs you can't name" for a Covid patient. Her hearing was delayed for months and was finally scheduled for last week. So yes physicians are very nervous about saying or doing anything that runs contrary to Covid True Belief! (This comment was not, by the way, brought to you by Pfizer)
I think the CDC lost the public when they promised getting shots would prevent infection and transmission and “end the pandemic.” I realize there was a certain giddiness when the 95% numbers were shown, but the goal of clinicians had always been prevention of severe disease/hospitalization/ventilation/death. Most clinicians knew that immunity would wane. Patients are very angry that they got symptomatic disease after 1,2,3 doses, even though we as clinicians are grateful that it is mild in so many. We have moved from “good enough” immunity protecting against the worst, to the very “best immunity” protecting from symptomatic infections. These are unrealistic goals and the damage done to public trust is enormous.
That's exactly what the problem is. I saw recent stats that now faith in childhood vaccines has gone down in many countries due to those false promises/narratives.
Dr. Offit has been a huge part of the problem and an enormous enabler of capture and corruption. These people need to be humble and admit their complicity. It's always been, "just marketing". He should have been saying much of what he is saying here, or predicted this inevitable outcome from the beginning, as other courageous and vilified experts have.
I'd say he's been a lot more right than those "CoUrAgEoUs AnD ViLlIFiEd ExPeRtS" who would have had us looking at 2 million covid deaths,at least,had so many people not been vaccinated when delta arrived last year. Yall antivaxx conspiracy goofs try your best to act like nobody remembers how badly delta crippled the health care systems of low vaccinated areas. Thank God that the biggest US metroplexes didn't fart around with the nonsense
thanks for that info, I won't support his channel in that case
He has been saying all of this for a very long time. He just is not very vocal on social media like some others are.
Offit has always been ethical and credible and continues to be
@@kellydecker8415 I respectfully disagree. He's been a vaccine zealot with zero tolerance for exemptions or personal choice. It's not okay. He has conflicts of interest. He was very much a part of the Covid-19 vaccine mandate tyranny.
The differences in profits of different vaccination regimes should be stated to show the obvious.
Hey Paul. Would you consider the relationship between big pharma and our government fascist ? God Bless
$$$$$$ Fauci ... for humans 💀😱👾
I realise this video is focusing on boosters/vaccines but seeing as nearly everyone has been infected with at least one or numerous variants by now it would have been good to know if natural immunity has the same long term protection from serious illness as the vaccines. Guess the research is more limited as there is less money in natural infection....
Remember when YT would utterly obliterate your account if you questioned the covid narrative at all?
None of this discussion makes sense without talking about side effects of the vaccine-including boosters. The entire discussion ignores such reported effects. The discussion here assumes facts not in evidence, I.e., a basically “safe” vaccine. Also immune imprinting is somewhat described and then blight fully ignored. Not did I hear a discussion of what is the effect of having had any variant of Covid wrt a natural immune condition and the benefit of a further vaccination. All in all, this discussion was not helpful to my understanding of the benefit of vaccination. I might be in the large minority however as a person *without* vaccination and having recovered from *two* confirmed bouts with Covid-one, Delta, other Omicron.
At 14:45, he says that for a young male (college age) the benefits do not outweigh the risks for a third dose, b/c of the heart inflammation risk. So, the discussion does take safety into account.
@@GoSolar Thanks, I must have missed that. However, that does not cover a lot of what a I’ve heard, especially wrt children.
Because this guy's got a lot of death on his hands and because he's covering up for it while trying to act like a stand-up reasonable guy who's not actually committing history revision for the benefit of those who benefited most from these rushed illegal outbreak 6 profiteering.
@@GoSolar this is fucked up. If there is risk of heart damage it's sick to recommend ONE dose. For a disease that doesn't hurt young people
No Creature that is OK with continuing this form of inoculation can be trusted "."
MarketWatch stated that pharma makes the huge profits in the annual shots...just like the annual fall flu shots. The CEO of Moderna said at the World Economic Forum that the goal all along was to get annual boosters.
They are dangerous, period.
So Djokovic isn't playing why again?
Monkeypox
Offit is giving credit to MRNA that is false. There has never been any evidence of 95 percent efficacy. He is trying to cover for massive malfeasance by the FDA, big pharma, and the medical field in general. These people need to be held accountable.
Do you want him to go missing?? 😅 Let him straddle the fence for his own safety.
We don't have typhoid Mary, but I can tell you we do have Pandemic Patti, and she's nearby.
Frankly I think they should REALLY be able to assess people, REALLY for risk, and that means knowing specifically WHO is at risk. This implies measurement of immune responses that are needed for a good outcome. After vaccination, either deliberate, or self-induced, or both, as our local Pandemic Patti had, we need some form of titer test or its equivalent, and frankly, two plus years and billions of dollars into it, it should be here by now. Imagine the extreme efficiency of targeted treatments and boosters if we KNEW what the hell we were doing. I am no medical expert and found biology the most boring subject that was ever inflicted on me, worse than Latin, and the labs that went with it were even worse, a horrid and ugly thing. My disdain for it is decades old. Hours wasted in stupid labs when they reviewed the whole thing in the next class. Statistics however, now there's a useful thing. What are the odds of a lab leak versus the yet and never to be found crossover animal, other than the human one from the lab. Statistically this thing is a lab made virus made in the lab that fools with such viruses and known to have originated IN TTHAT TOWN. The commie bastards are liars which is to repeat myself. Fauci is extremely disingenuous in his gain of function BS along with the wink and nod to third parties.
How can he say the trial was done in the right way? When the only end point was antibodies against a largely obsolete sub-variant? Where was the comparison of actual disease and severity, and all-cause mortality?
You're talking actual science.
I love how he quotes the CDC studies as if the CDC isn't one of the most corrupt institutions on the planet
If one gets natural immunity from BA5 infection, why get a vaccine directed at a variant that one has natural immunity from anyway? Most data is stating that natural immunity lasts longer than a vaccine/booster anyway. I agree with Dr. Off it, take care of the at risk groups.
Paul Offit is a national treasure. Great stuff.
🤦♂️ dude. This guy was a mouthpiece for the medical industrial complex in the last 2 years. He ardently supports the shots. They aren't safe for adults. He should be against them for every body
Offit, who was one of the yes votes, said there is "clear evidence that the vaccine is highly effective."
Loser is backtracking because he knows what's coming.
I'm glad Offit is beginning to think critically. But he's got a ways to go....
Are you serious? Have you read any of his publications? I think you may need a lesson or two in critical thinking if you think Offit has just started thinking critically. Ignorant jerk!
he always has
The fact that he participated in the vote to recognize natural immunity troubled me greatly. It was like voting to recognize gravity.
@@jeffreyschroeder9350 Still, for Offit, it's a step up. This is the man who said children should be taken away from their parents if they're not vaccinated.
Hes always thought critically
We need to do randomized control trials that are powered for clinical outcomes. These trials need to last a long time.
They can be done DURING a mass rollout of the vaccine.
Why do we refuse to do randomized trials once we've given the green light on the next booster,? Are we afraid that our decision will be proven wrong? Are we afraid we will be proven right, thus making it unethical for the placebo group to be denied the actual treatment?
I think any downsides of running the trial are compensated by the knowledge we gain, AND, if the vaccine is proven to be net beneficial, you could reduce vaccine hesitancy.
It is NEVER unethical to have a placebo group, especially in an mRNA gene therapy (yes, mrna falls under FDA's gene therapy guidance) trial. It is obscene that that argument is even brought up. And you know why pfizer and moderna sabotaged their control groups within 6 weeks, because all-cause mortality was trending in the wrong direction. Science has flown out the window
They know they won't get good results and that is not a criticism entirely, there are drugs that trials will not differentiate. Offit said why because the signal can't be strong enough when the baseline survival is around 95% anyway. Though it is up to people to decide how much they want to roll the dice to get that extra .2% protection.
But there are other design reasons why they would not get a result. They gave it to everyone, most of whom have low chance of severe disease. This is the other way of diluting the result. While the product could still be very effective for a small segment of people, but it will not come out of a CRT that will be done on everyone to whom it has been given.
@@HondoTrailside Hondo:
I get what you're saying. However, it seems you could get a statistically significant all cause mortality signal by doing a trial with just a few thousand really old people (say 80 plus year olds in nursing homes).
You could justify the the trial ethically by pointing out the fact that there has never been a randomized control trial for that age group, so it is okay to allow VOLUNTEERS to possibly receive a placebo.
Anyways, these are just my thoughts.
@@raymondblake5765 I was in the placebo group in the Pfizer trial for the Covid vaccine. It is unethical to keep patients in the placebo group after the treatment shows benefit.
I got my placebo shots in September of 2020 and the real vaccines in January of 2021.
@@redhen689'it is unethical to keep people in the placebo group after the treatment shows benefit'
I would change that to 'it is unethical to keep people in The placebo group after the treatment shows NET benefit'.
In the case of the mRNA vaccines, the crossover occured before NET benefit was shown. (I would support this with a quote from the Pfizer trial, but my comment will get deleted). Thus, it would have been ethical to keep the trial going.
Furthermore, there had never been a randomized control trial on really old people, or on people who had already had covid, so even IF we agree that they had to crossover the placebo people in the initial trial, they still needed to run a trial in these different populations. This is ESPECIALLY true given that governments coerced people to take the vaccine (including people who were in a category which had never been tested in an RCT).
Furthermore, given that we have seen:
1) quickly waning protection conferred by the covid vaccines
And
2) myocarditis being caused by the vaccines at potentially alarming rates in teen boys
It is ethical NOW, in retrospect, to run some more randomized control trials, so that we can prove net benefit.
If you're worried that 'some people will get a placebo and not the actual treatment', just remember that we know they will be in a similar level of protection as the treatment group after a few months anyways, AND we still don't know if the placebo group isn't better off anyways (since NET benefit was never proven).
Finally, and this is REALLY important:
IT IS MORE UNETHICAL TO FORCE PEOPLE TO TAKE THE VACCINE AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT/ PARTICIPANT IN SCHOOL ETC. THAN IT IS TO ALLOW A VOLUNTEER TO POSSIBLY GET A PLACEBO. Remember, it would be a VOLUNTEER who gets a placebo. They're volunteers. There's nothing unethical about that. Whereas governments FORCED people to take the vaccine as a condition of employment. Some governments even fined people for not taking enough doses of the vaccine. It should be clear to any ethical person that the latter is more unethical than the former.
... Just my thoughts....
Two words: tested on 8 mice.....
When Dr Offit is talking 95 percent effective for the vax, can someone clear up for me, is he referring to RRR or ARR?
RRR 💯
BS or 🤥🤥👖🔥
ARR is like .01% or something
We are SCREWED ! We are LAB RATS P
How much do you get paid DrcOffitt
I don’t know why you don’t have millions of likes on this comment. You are 100% right.
Do we have any understanding if there is an effect on the immune system by continually stimulating with spike production and the large response and production of antibodies that follows on a regular basis.
Ie does this have an effect on antibody production from other disease/illnesses that are encounted at the same time. Example having flue and cv vx simultaneously, is this as effective as staggering these administrations. I have seen NO studies to show . Are we jabbing in the dark
Thank you
Dr Offit: the committee member who isn’t subject to any presidential administration. 👏
The only decent person on the committee.
People ARE weary BUT moreover they are WISER.
Why don't we check vitamin D levels. It's easy, simple to supplement. It's not a cure, but could help with prevention and severity.
We do. Just go to your doctor and request a test if you think there's a reason for it. If you're symptomatic of low vit D, and especially if you're black your doctor will order it without being asked if he's a good one.
@@chadh6855 I'm an ER nurse, Vitamin D levels are never checked on Covid positive pt's. Vitamin D is never ordered for covid positive pt's. Why is that?
@@scoutdixie4412 I’m a respiratory therapist. I’ve worked in Covid ICUs across the country including Manhattan when the virus first arrived. They all got vitamin D in their tube feed and trust me it didn’t help.
@@scoutdixie4412 also I will quote Cochrane's review on vitamin D and covid, and Cochrane reviews the literature better than anyone else: "There is currently insufficient evidence to determine the benefits and harms of vitamin D supplementation as a treatment of COVID-19. The evidence for the effectiveness of vitamin D supplementation for the treatment of COVID-19 is very uncertain. Moreover, we found only limited safety information, and were concerned about consistency in measurement and recording of these outcomes. There was substantial clinical and methodological heterogeneity of included studies, mainly because of different supplementation strategies, formulations, vitamin D status of participants, and reported outcomes. There is an urgent need for well-designed and adequately powered randomised controlled trials (RCTs) with an appropriate randomisation procedure, comparability of study arms and preferably double-blinding. We identified 21 ongoing and three completed studies without published results, which indicates that these needs will be addressed and that our findings are subject to change in the future. Due to the living approach of this work, we will update the review periodically."
Now, that was a year ago and when they do update it they'll probably find some mild benefit, but not enough to be doing a vit D blood test on everyone testing positive in the ER.
@@scoutdixie4412 Isn't it that there is some debate over whether low Vit D is symtom or a cause?
Also I'm not sure the evidence for supplementing Vit D this late is shown to have any benefit, so if this is the case there is no clinical reason to do a Vit D test.
Since when is medicine about making people feel happy?
Is the decision/coercion to vaccinate about real medicine or about something else?
Something else.
95% ? By Golly and these are deemed experts! That’s irrelevant Relative Risk. The “protection” in terms of Absolute Risk is about 1%
The Pfizer efficacy percentage is calculated as:
162/170 x 100 = 95.29%
In other words 170 people determined the efficacy claim used worldwide.
0.84% to be exact. Was looking at that study in Absolutely Risk Reduction this morning. 🙌👍
Just not worth the serious adverse reactions alongside the 99.997% chance of survival without any treatment and a 97% in the vulnerable and compromised. Well said!! 🥰
Oh, Dr. Offit is on the FDA advisory board. That explains some things.
When over 90 percent will have had the infection which gives x27 protection compared to the Vx - so this discussion is very limited and PO is still biased to Vs. Moneymoneymoney
Why don't doctors push natural immune boosting with whole foods like some of them use?
We are talking about a flu, correct? Not cancer, Alzheimer's, strokes, heart attacks, etc. Correct?
Dr. Offit has recommended annual influenza vaccines; I believe he said last years vaccine does not protect against this years strains. If the data so far only shows the bivalent COVID vaccine gives a few months of mild disease protection; but the severe disease risk remains the same for those without severe risk factors - why is there is such a different recommendation for multivalent influenza v. COVID vaccines?
You’re ignoring the adverse events from the shots so the argument is invalid
The fact that these two doctors don't mention the obvious corruption and big pharma profit motive driving policy makes this conversation a little like listening to two ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand.
With mix and match the outcome seemed to land in favour with the letter P.
I see the Ministry of Truth, Google Division, thinks we cannot view this video without supervision.
People with compromise health and elderly population beside the vaccines they shouldn’t only rely in vaccines also should be follow preventive measures as wearing a mask when are in crowded places, keep their distance, to prevent not only getting Covid-19 but other infections as well
And that 95% effectiveness rate is RELATIVE RISK REDUCTION. Absolute risk reduction was less than 1%.
focusing on high risk people! wasn't that the position of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration fully 2 years ago? and they were drawn and quartered because of it.
Natural immunity rules!!
Offitt should be in prison. Criminal
All this is bs the damage is done.
Dr. Peter McCullough saids throw out the vaccine (drug) completely.
Omg people still believe in this crap.lets talk about sads ...
He said that about all Covid vaccines. He feeds the anti-vaccine community with this BS.
I strongly believe we should have kept looking for a better more effective vaccine rather than excepting these vaccines as the only vaccines. I believe we could have done much better. As well natural immunity is a much more effective and longer-lasting immunity.
Mix and match was the most confusing $decision
The meaning of 'boosting' in the Urban Dictionary is 'stealing'.
Again avoiding the death and disability rates.
OMG, Doktor Faust !
Chasing shadows
Nobody should get the booster.
Getting a third or forth dose is also about social responsibility.
Follow "the $cience"...LOL
No mudblood for me 💉
The bs channel
This conversation should have been given before the juice was first rolled out! To bad they neglected to tell the public🫢
Interesting. I wish Novavax was available as a booster, because I know some people who would be interested.
TGA.GOV.AU has adverse events reports on this, as all vaccines have.
Novavax has shown to have adverse effects as well.
@@1LaOriental Of course. Any vaccine has some risk. There is a risk/benefit ratio for all substances approved by the FDA.
@@1LaOriental the side effects are less intense compared to all the other vaccines. Yes, it does have the 💓side effect, but it is more of a traditional vaccine similar to our flu shot, hepatitis, Shingles, etc. It's a protein-based subunit vaccine.
Novavax Covid-19 Vaccine ingredients
SARS-CoV-2 recombinant spike (rS) protein (original strain)
disodium hydrogen phosphate heptahydrate
hydrochloric acid (for adjustment of pH)
polysorbate 80
sodium chloride
sodium dihydrogen phosphate monohydrate
sodium hydroxide (for adjustment of pH)
water for injection
Matrix-M adjuvant is composed of 40 nanometer particles based on saponin extracted from the Quillaja saponaria Molina bark, also known as the soap bark tree. The adjuvant is an ingredient that helps stimulate an immune response to the vaccine.
cholesterol
phosphatidylcholine
potassium chloride
potassium dihydrogen phosphate
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
sodium chloride