I can't describe how much I hate the mozams. You find them so easily and everybody uses them. The thing I hate the most is the fact that I suck with them, lol.
I just came back to Apex for the first time since well before akimbo’s were added, I heard everyone saying how OP akimbo mozams were and I was thinking it couldn’t be THAT good. I hopped on apex and ran them for three games. I won two of them with 8+ kills. Its insane how overpowered it is. You literally aren’t going to beat it if they hit their shots.
CAR in C yet again is criminal. "The nerfs that the CAR received over the last couple years" I mean... They reduced the damage by 1, which was barely felt, and they removed 1 bullet on blue/purple, which is irrelevant. And besides that, as mentioned on the older video, it still is the second highest DPS gun in the game, and even at range it's not even an issue.
The CAR is very much like the Sentinel in that in the right hands they are incredibly hard hitting. You can 1 clip red shield with a no mag CAR if you get the right angle and manage the recoil. But it's not an easy gun for new players. So I'd put it in B to be fair purely cause the Volt is much easier to use and sits in A.
@@namo2403 4-3 linear on controller makes the car feel like hacks, the gun is also forgiving if u miss a few shots with purple/gold mags since it has 27 bullets, like yeah the hipfire nerf is very noticeable but if u ads in and out every 8-10 bullets it helps a lot. But its way to complex with the double mozam/mastiff meta atm
Lists are subjective and so I can see the reason in all these placements, except for the rampage. The rampage has to be one of the best mid range weapons in the game, that can stretch to long range as well, even without the thermite buff. If you do buff it with a thermite it's an excellent close range option as well, making it incredibly versatile and definitely a minimum rank of B tier.
16:03 because they want to make guns viable only on their "working range", we got catastrophic situation on mid range where AR's and LMG can beat living shit out of most marksman rifles if they are not poking out of cover. I bet same changes awaits for rest of smg's, so after 15m+ they would be outclassed by AR's
While true, there are also moments where I got kills BECAUSE I was running the L-Star and didn't need to reload. It can be really silly lmao@@aja3longhorn375
Definitely my gun of choice. Get a squad wipe solo, no reload, get third partied, get another squad wipe... no reload... does good damage, just gotta hold a lot of ammo since it burns through it so damn fast lol
Prowler in C Tier is inaccurate in my opinion, especially for controller. It can 3 burst a red shield if you hit all body shots. Its medium range viability is strong due to its easy recoil pattern as well as it being a burst weapon. The hip-fire is strong with a blue laser or better. Putting it on par with an alternator and RE-45 is wild to me.
Solution for the charge rifle would be have it fire on trigger release. That way you can charge in cover, pop out, release to shoot, and get back in cover to charge. Keep the log charge, but have the fire method change to make it more useful.
If it's still charges for a very long time Why can't the respawn devs make charge rifle take a turbocharger Hop up because it's still "charges" they should have don't remove it from the floorloot
The issue is the disparity between the dual mozams and other weapons. If a weapon is going to be super strong, there should probably be a skill curve or some down side to it. But the mozams are: Common, super strong (at close AND mid range) , and super forgiving. So everyone at every skill level, at every point of the match is going to be running them. Some people call this sort of effect a “brain-dead” meta- when an easy to use, super common and super OP thing just takes over an entire game.
I run RE45 as my main, with a hop up it will take down red shield with one purple clip. Feels different this season. I hate akimbo guns so I’m missing out
On mouse and keyboard I found that using burst weapons while aiming downsight slowes the movement so much that you literally looking at slowmo footage.
Man I played a few times when the season came out and haven't played it since til today (shadow of the erdtree took up all my gaming time) but coming back I can't believe the akimbo Mozambique didn't get nerfed damn near every time I died was to those damn things.
Eh, idk. Don't get me wrong, the Nemesis is amazing and should also be in S Tier, but the Havoc has been SHREDDING mfers for me this season. The raw power of it plus it's better up close capabilities in this meta just fits better at least for this season. If they make some changes that make fights become further ranged, it might overtake it, but rn, the meta just favors the Havoc more.
I think removing the turbocharger is kind of unnecessary they could have just Nerf the Havoc I would have prefer. What they should be doing is nerfing the weapon not the hop up that's kinda dumb. Also the CAR SMG I would have put it in b Tier sense it's mid
Personally think it's the most balanced gun meta so far(Except for akimbozambiques) ... I can use a longbow enough to fight any gun and still win, the only thing they need to fix now is the akimbos because it's absurd
Kinda true but players in ALGS are not normal players, these guns have a higher skill floor than others I think making them a lower rank in a tierlist.
true but pro players dont just ape in tournaments like they do in a ranked game so they need a consistent ranged weapon to steal kills or just farm damage while setting up for ring....those guns are good but when someone with dualies and a flatline enters your bubble you will probably be knocked first more than not
i would put g7 and t-take in A tier und r301 in B tier and i would swap Eva and PK. I looove the PK but ive been using Eva way more this season cause it feels much much stronger. PK has a bit more distance but on very close range Eva can compete against the mozies and thats whats important.
I agree with you especially with Hemlock and R301. I always picked up Hemlokc over 301 about 8 season ago. Thats the last time I played. 😅 I came back on Apex anss was like wtf Hemlock? I thought it was my rustiness but after gringind for 2 months on season 21 and 22... i still dont like the Hemlock
G7 is A Tier at the least. I disagree with its B Tier placement heavily. If you get good with the weapon then it's really great. The skill gap is why the Triple Take is an option. It's the starter marksman imo. G7 has far more potential. Wingman in B is also arguable but way more agreeable than the G7 in B tier imo. The longbow is fair in D but I feel like it could be in C. D's fine though. Hemlock being in B tier is honestly a bit fair in comparison to the other AR's. I'd still say low A high B. Sentinel is so fun. I entirely agree with A tier. It's a blast to run with. Havoc in S is honestly valid asl. I just got into the Havoc when the turbocharger got removed and I gotta say. It is insane. The mastiff is consistently hitting 90 and that is astonishing. Dual Mozams are disgustingly strong. They do need a nerf when the season's over as like you said. The game likes having a powerful gun for a season or two. I'd say slow the fire rate. I like this ranking. Only ranking I found completely wrong was the G7 but that was by a single tier. Either you're right or we're both wrong and I really doubt that so good rankin man. You never fail to impress
the mozams are by far the best ground loot weapons, the ttk is fine yes but the forgiving amount of shots and strafespeed make the gun stronger then prime wingman, the only thing you can argue with this is attachments, everyone runs shotties u win 1 fight u have purp bolt almost every game. nerf these braindead weapons
i feel like the lmgs are better the lower rank you are since fights usualy take longer because both parts have worse aim the the hip fire buff is more relevant no? i mean as a silver myself i loooooovee spitfire
I have a clip of 1 shoting 2 people back to back off rip with charge rifle in ranked it's sooooo good if you are good with it but I understand that it's not as attractive as senti or longbow or any marksman 😂😂😂
Top Tier Flatline, can't get it anymore. It was a reward for season-long challenges in Season 20. You can only get a recolor of it (Overheat) in the Exotic Shop.
Okay if it takes that long to charge up the weapon why didn't the developers make the charge rifle take a turbocharger instead of removing it from the from the floor loot instead and removing it from the havoc. This doesn't make any sense
@@fredericsimeon6625 what are you talking about? on PC, the CAR is uncontrollable. There's no R99. Basically no SMGs at all in this meta. SMGs are the backbone of every game Jason West and Vince made going back to COD1. They were always the go-to. You don't just fuck with that all of the sudden. Absolutely disagree with you.
@@ButaneBear its good for them to take a backseat for a season or else the gunplay will just get stale. And yeah the car is harder to control than the rest of the SMGs but if its uncontrollable then its a skill issue.
@@Tarulia are you joking? Since the nerf its very noticeable. There's a side recoil now that is almost not even a pattern. I'm not sure we're playing the same game.
I took og apex for granted im sorry I didn’t play you more
Yh, I miss apex pre s5
Honestly, I started at launch and I’ve came back to the game during a few different eras and I’m not hating it right now
@@goatbaaad3711 Same here 👋🏻 I can say Apex is so good for me right now
@@goatbaaad3711same started season 2 stopped right before seer came out and I came back season 19 I don’t think it’s as bad as ppl make it seem
I started in season 7 so I can’t relate lol
I can't describe how much I hate the mozams. You find them so easily and everybody uses them. The thing I hate the most is the fact that I suck with them, lol.
I'm somehow much better with the p20 akimbo's than mozambs
I just came back to Apex for the first time since well before akimbo’s were added, I heard everyone saying how OP akimbo mozams were and I was thinking it couldn’t be THAT good. I hopped on apex and ran them for three games. I won two of them with 8+ kills. Its insane how overpowered it is. You literally aren’t going to beat it if they hit their shots.
Same @@marionotbros2
Click and hold the fire button on them and p20s
Noob tube equivalent. Easy to find, easy to use, everyone spams em.
Thanks Mangos :)
(17:03) S: Kraber/Devotion/Bow (17:08), Havoc (17:54), Mastiff (18:21), Mozambique (Akimbo) (18:44)
(11:54) A: 301 (11:55), Volt (12:41), Nemesis (13:30), Flatline (14:23), Sentinel (14:59), R-99 (15:30), Peacekeeper (16:27),
(6:00) B: L-Star (6:06), Spitfire (7:05), Triple Take/G7 Scout (7:30), Wingman (8:49), P 20-20 (Akimbo A, Hammerpoints S) (9:44), Eva-8 (10:15), Hemlock (11:12), Mozambique (18:44)
(3:13) C: Alternator (3:13), Car (3:58), RE-45 (4:41), Prowler (5:25),
(1:00) D: Longbow (1:01), 30-30 (1:31), Rampage (2:30)
(0:25) F: Charge Rifle (0:26)
CAR in C yet again is criminal.
"The nerfs that the CAR received over the last couple years" I mean... They reduced the damage by 1, which was barely felt, and they removed 1 bullet on blue/purple, which is irrelevant. And besides that, as mentioned on the older video, it still is the second highest DPS gun in the game, and even at range it's not even an issue.
The CAR is very much like the Sentinel in that in the right hands they are incredibly hard hitting. You can 1 clip red shield with a no mag CAR if you get the right angle and manage the recoil. But it's not an easy gun for new players. So I'd put it in B to be fair purely cause the Volt is much easier to use and sits in A.
Car is automatically B with how versatile it is with ammo. It's not amazing but good in pubs
you forgot how smg also has damage fall off
lower hipfire spread across the board
Hard disagree. Unlike the Volt and Alternator it is basically unusable at range. I don’t like guns you have to specifically play around to be useful.
@@namo2403 4-3 linear on controller makes the car feel like hacks, the gun is also forgiving if u miss a few shots with purple/gold mags since it has 27 bullets, like yeah the hipfire nerf is very noticeable but if u ads in and out every 8-10 bullets it helps a lot. But its way to complex with the double mozam/mastiff meta atm
I think the spitfire is more closer to a tier it’s such a good sleeper pick
LoL blocked.
Lists are subjective and so I can see the reason in all these placements, except for the rampage. The rampage has to be one of the best mid range weapons in the game, that can stretch to long range as well, even without the thermite buff. If you do buff it with a thermite it's an excellent close range option as well, making it incredibly versatile and definitely a minimum rank of B tier.
either way its still the most cancer inducing gun in the game.
@@KRESTFELLit is I died to a kid in ranked off drop, turned my shit off lol
16:03 because they want to make guns viable only on their "working range", we got catastrophic situation on mid range where AR's and LMG can beat living shit out of most marksman rifles if they are not poking out of cover. I bet same changes awaits for rest of smg's, so after 15m+ they would be outclassed by AR's
Yes, keep the L star at the low tiers. I don't want people using my gun.
L Star can be nuts but it will also let you down huge in some moments where other guns would have given guaranteed downs
While true, there are also moments where I got kills BECAUSE I was running the L-Star and didn't need to reload. It can be really silly lmao@@aja3longhorn375
* our gun lol
Top 5 gun I use this szn
Definitely my gun of choice. Get a squad wipe solo, no reload, get third partied, get another squad wipe... no reload... does good damage, just gotta hold a lot of ammo since it burns through it so damn fast lol
Wingman needs mags, I agree about the hop up being basically useless
Good to see you back man
Prowler in C Tier is inaccurate in my opinion, especially for controller. It can 3 burst a red shield if you hit all body shots. Its medium range viability is strong due to its easy recoil pattern as well as it being a burst weapon. The hip-fire is strong with a blue laser or better. Putting it on par with an alternator and RE-45 is wild to me.
Prowler is a beast
Thanks so much for putting the full tier list in as you update it, makes following the list alot smoother 🙏
Solution for the charge rifle would be have it fire on trigger release. That way you can charge in cover, pop out, release to shoot, and get back in cover to charge. Keep the log charge, but have the fire method change to make it more useful.
If it's still charges for a very long time Why can't the respawn devs make charge rifle take a turbocharger Hop up because it's still "charges" they should have don't remove it from the floorloot
i only use a longbow as i place holder for attachments until i find a sentinel
The issue is the disparity between the dual mozams and other weapons.
If a weapon is going to be super strong, there should probably be a skill curve or some down side to it. But the mozams are:
Common, super strong (at close AND mid range) , and super forgiving. So everyone at every skill level, at every point of the match is going to be running them.
Some people call this sort of effect a “brain-dead” meta- when an easy to use, super common and super OP thing just takes over an entire game.
Nemesis and akimbo moz. My favorite guns this season
I run RE45 as my main, with a hop up it will take down red shield with one purple clip. Feels different this season. I hate akimbo guns so I’m missing out
On mouse and keyboard I found that using burst weapons while aiming downsight slowes the movement so much that you literally looking at slowmo footage.
I’ve been running TT and shotguns all season and I’m consistently getting higher kill games. Idk what it is with the TT lately but it’s amazing.
Charge rifle is disgustingly slept on
I hate it so much. It's actually super strong but don't let people use it, just a ugly play style
All I gotta say is nerf the mozams… the range, fire rate and damage are all too fkn high..
My biggest problem it's a braindead weapon, it's so ez to use
@@Alobaidiabduljabbar not as ez as your mom (idk I'm bored don't take me seriously. E-District is absolute garbage.)
@@fabo821 worst take of the century.
@@KRESTFELL i mean, eh, what are you gonna do
@@fabo821 i'll always take e district over your mom (i play wattson)
Man I played a few times when the season came out and haven't played it since til today (shadow of the erdtree took up all my gaming time) but coming back I can't believe the akimbo Mozambique didn't get nerfed damn near every time I died was to those damn things.
BROTHER HOW IS THE NEMESIS BELOW THE HAVOC, ITS THE BEST WEAPON AFTER MOZAMS
agreed
P2020 when fully kitted is insane too. People are sleeping on them because of how good mozis are but a p20 can wipe a squad just as easy
@@CharizardLv95 your opinion doenst matter when there are facts
Eh, idk. Don't get me wrong, the Nemesis is amazing and should also be in S Tier, but the Havoc has been SHREDDING mfers for me this season. The raw power of it plus it's better up close capabilities in this meta just fits better at least for this season. If they make some changes that make fights become further ranged, it might overtake it, but rn, the meta just favors the Havoc more.
You gotta use the rampage mostly as a long range marksman rifle almost then pop those thermites the moment you feel a push.
10 commercials in 1 video is wild. I hope mango getting paid off this at least
Nemesis mozam is the god loadout for me this season once that boy gets revved up it melts people
Nice list man good job
The mozam not getting nerfed is wild
The havoc for me was the best gun in the game everything the hipfire the damage but the 4 bullets nerf really affected it its A tier for me now
I think removing the turbocharger is kind of unnecessary they could have just Nerf the Havoc I would have prefer. What they should be doing is nerfing the weapon not the hop up that's kinda dumb. Also the CAR SMG I would have put it in b Tier sense it's mid
What you’re feeling with the L-Star is slower projectile speed of the bullets than the regular guns
Bow is insanely strong, just keep the rythim and shots faster than a 30-30 and hits harder than all marksman
I respect your opinion and the time and efforts you take to make these videos. But personally I think the CAR is A tier right now
in trippletake part: it's better hit for 19 than hit for zero... But why nobody mention how hard enemy gonna hit you in return with normal gun?
Solid takes, Mango.
Personally think it's the most balanced gun meta so far(Except for akimbozambiques) ... I can use a longbow enough to fight any gun and still win, the only thing they need to fix now is the akimbos because it's absurd
a good kbm player with an LStar is so underrated. Lstar kinda bad on roller tho, imo at least
I liked the old lstar over new one playing on roller still getting used to it
YESS THE LEGEND IS BACK
ALGS proves that G7 and Hemlok are at least high A Tier bro?
Kinda true but players in ALGS are not normal players, these guns have a higher skill floor than others I think making them a lower rank in a tierlist.
@@rendy5092 doesnt make them bad either? apex is a high skill game with much pace, i am not good at all, but I see a massive advantage for these gun
And T-Take should be higher too, APAC south is a living proof of it, I think that top 3 should be Mozams, Nemesis, T-take
true but pro players dont just ape in tournaments like they do in a ranked game so they need a consistent ranged weapon to steal kills or just farm damage while setting up for ring....those guns are good but when someone with dualies and a flatline enters your bubble you will probably be knocked first more than not
L star is S-tear with Rampart or Ballistic. Beats all the lmgs if used properly
Lol the r9 is dog water, ive never seen anyone take it unless forced this season
Nah they buffed it, it's got no drop off now so it's good.
i use the r99 from the care pack, it melts, u have no idea u can rlly throw off someones mozam spams if u hit ur shots with it
The rampage smashes
i would put g7 and t-take in A tier und r301 in B tier and i would swap Eva and PK. I looove the PK but ive been using Eva way more this season cause it feels much much stronger. PK has a bit more distance but on very close range Eva can compete against the mozies and thats whats important.
whats that nemesis skin? looks sick
ty pookie needed this
The Mozambique has always been the best shotgun at range
I agree with you especially with Hemlock and R301. I always picked up Hemlokc over 301 about 8 season ago. Thats the last time I played. 😅
I came back on Apex anss was like wtf Hemlock? I thought it was my rustiness but after gringind for 2 months on season 21 and 22... i still dont like the Hemlock
R9 this split got 2 buffs definitely s tier after these buffs
The prowler feels awful since the fire rate change I wish they would have just nerfed the damage
LStar in B is fucking crazy. LStar is easily one of the best weapons in the game right now.
No calm down
G7 is A Tier at the least. I disagree with its B Tier placement heavily. If you get good with the weapon then it's really great. The skill gap is why the Triple Take is an option. It's the starter marksman imo. G7 has far more potential. Wingman in B is also arguable but way more agreeable than the G7 in B tier imo. The longbow is fair in D but I feel like it could be in C. D's fine though. Hemlock being in B tier is honestly a bit fair in comparison to the other AR's. I'd still say low A high B. Sentinel is so fun. I entirely agree with A tier. It's a blast to run with. Havoc in S is honestly valid asl. I just got into the Havoc when the turbocharger got removed and I gotta say. It is insane. The mastiff is consistently hitting 90 and that is astonishing. Dual Mozams are disgustingly strong. They do need a nerf when the season's over as like you said. The game likes having a powerful gun for a season or two. I'd say slow the fire rate.
I like this ranking. Only ranking I found completely wrong was the G7 but that was by a single tier. Either you're right or we're both wrong and I really doubt that so good rankin man. You never fail to impress
the mozams are by far the best ground loot weapons, the ttk is fine yes but the forgiving amount of shots and strafespeed make the gun stronger then prime wingman, the only thing you can argue with this is attachments, everyone runs shotties u win 1 fight u have purp bolt almost every game. nerf these braindead weapons
They should try RE-45 Akimbo
i feel like the lmgs are better the lower rank you are since fights usualy take longer because both parts have worse aim the the hip fire buff is more relevant no? i mean as a silver myself i loooooovee spitfire
Mozambique user since season 1, so im enjoying this while it last. It's not the gun, its your aim 😅😅
I have hit maybe 2 shots with the charge rifle. F tier fits for it and my skill
I have a clip of 1 shoting 2 people back to back off rip with charge rifle in ranked it's sooooo good if you are good with it but I understand that it's not as attractive as senti or longbow or any marksman 😂😂😂
Mozam need a own tier
I have an idea. Why not put the turbo charger on the charge rifle
havoc without hop up can still be s?
This meta is awful, every gun is c tier, p2020 is a tier and Mozambique is s++ tier, I’ve not played a game recently without them
My nigga is back bro!
Meta means good right?
I’m sorry sir but it’s 180 in 3 hits 🤣🤣 great video
Shotgun meta has took away snipers
Half the time to shoot for the charge rifle shot but nerf the damage
Havoc with no turbocharger S ?
Goated list
Don’t say “goated” again
Goated
@@redtooswagg8696 lambed
😭
Please keep sleeping on the rampage 😭🙏🏾
R301 still good damn
swap the pk with the mastif if you play on keyboard and mouse
and id take the car over the volt anyday and flatline over the havoc personally even though i do think both are arguable for that top AR spot
Putting p20s in B tier is criminal its easy A tier
prowler next meta yall sleep
Charge Rifle still HITS im going to make a video on it
Ty
Just me who can't find peacekeepers anywhere?
Best Tier
What is that flatline skins name I need it
Top Tier Flatline, can't get it anymore. It was a reward for season-long challenges in Season 20. You can only get a recolor of it (Overheat) in the Exotic Shop.
@@Tarulia thx so much
RA45 Akimbo?
Chargerifle is so bad, I hope they rework it, it's no fun to use atm
so the havoc gets a nerf yet akimbo mozam dosent? yeah okay
Love the charge rifle. This is sad.
Okay if it takes that long to charge up the weapon why didn't the developers make the charge rifle take a turbocharger instead of removing it from the from the floor loot instead and removing it from the havoc. This doesn't make any sense
I clicked off he put the PROWLER in c😭😭😭
Idk why I watch these videos. I'm trash with all of them
i dont care what meta i have cheats and win always
Change back to the old way you used to do these tier lists
Nemesis.
Akimbo mozam ABSOLUTELY needs to be nerfed.
The weapons are in the worst state they've ever been. Thanks for ruining Apex neo-Respawn
The weapons are pretty balanced tbh ( outside of the mozam )
@@fredericsimeon6625 what are you talking about? on PC, the CAR is uncontrollable. There's no R99. Basically no SMGs at all in this meta. SMGs are the backbone of every game Jason West and Vince made going back to COD1. They were always the go-to. You don't just fuck with that all of the sudden. Absolutely disagree with you.
@@ButaneBear "CAR is uncontrollable" sounds like a skill issue TBH. The recoil is basically nonexistent lol
@@ButaneBear its good for them to take a backseat for a season or else the gunplay will just get stale. And yeah the car is harder to control than the rest of the SMGs but if its uncontrollable then its a skill issue.
@@Tarulia are you joking? Since the nerf its very noticeable. There's a side recoil now that is almost not even a pattern. I'm not sure we're playing the same game.
I hate mozam akimbo. Takes no skill. What a joke. It’s for the birds.
G7 is S tier
I play 30-30
Good night
Havoc is trash I don’t see anyone using it definitely not S tier maybe A
Most basic opinions . Very little creative thought to this video and clearly you are a basic player .