Future Hints - T&E React to All 10.1.5 Cinematics
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- World of Warcraft patch 10.1.5 Fractures in Time is HERE and with it no less than 4 new cinematics / cutscenes that don't just round off the story of the patch, but set up the next couple of patches too! Join Taliesin and Evitel as they watch the cinematics and discuss the new World Tree Amirdrassil, Vyranoth and Fyrakk's attack, and Iridikron's teamup with the void
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I feel like Iridikron might be the Gul'Dan of this expansion, leading us into the next one after Dragonflight.
Good way to look at it! I agree
That would be so fucking cool
Holy moly loving the dual camera set up!
It's kinda fun to figure out where each is sitting in the room going by their backdrop. It looks like they've got their backs turned to each other somewhat.
Whenever I see people in the same building using two cameras, I always default to thinking it's some fight.
I think this whole "true timeline" is nothing else than a Titan construct. They saw a timeline in which everything goes according to them and just said "ok guys, we will keep this one and protect it because every other is bad for us". That's imo the only meaning of "true timeline".
What Iridikron reffered to as "true timeline" might be his vision of perfect timeline, without Titans interfering on Azeroth, as he see them as something bad what shouldn't happen.
Yeah, IIRC he referred to the titans protecting THIS timeline. I can't really see how that could refer to anything other than ours, the one we are in, this one.
If the world soul is what they are after, then it seems most likely they found the best timeline for it. Only then did they empower the dragons to help maintain it.
The titans' "true timeline" also didn't seem to care about us traipsing through alternate draenor, so it is fairly clear that they only care about Azeroth. Other worlds don't matter to them. In Tyr's vision, Alexstrasza was the last one the void dude showed betraying him. I think the aspects will turn away from the titan worshipping and the watchers will see that as a betrayal. We will become enemies to the titans. They're still out there in space, right? Has anyone been keeping an eye on that red spot in the sky?
I wouldn't be surprised if he has a double heel turn where he turns on the void and the titans as he gets powerful enough to stand on his own. No outside corruption of azeroth, pure elemental planet. I feel like farak might be an endboss with iridikron leading us into next expansion
That's even cooler though. Makes everything way more deterministic.
Or this timeline is the only one that has Azeroth with a living world soul.
Iridikron will reemerge with a pact struck with the "harbinger" (void lords) this pact will include an affect to dragonkind much like the Titan's did with the eggs. This will trigger Vyranoth "I will not trade one form of slavery for another" speech, and we will see her sacrifice herself to save Alexstrasza.
Wait that would be sick I really like that
One theory i had early on, is that the end boss of the xpac might be the Tyr that we are rebuilding once the DF realize that Titan are not shiny and rainbow.
The Dragon flights should already know the Titans aren’t wholly good.
I like the DOUBLE Fire & Ice dichotomy. Fyrakk and Vyranoth as the enemies we need to protect the tree from, and Vyranoth and Alextrasza as the former friends turned enemies.
If Vyranoth was on a redemption path, a Fire on Fire battle that she tries to stop but dies from would be an interesting scene, methinks.
this is my first time seeing the dual-streaming setup -- brilliantly done!!
I always got the sense Vyranoth was more than just a baddie. I think we will wind up fighting her, but I do like that the first few times we see her she is very upset Razageth has died. Iridikon is all about the war, Fyrakk is after power and burning stuff, but she always feels like she has heart.
I think you might be underestimating Vyranoth's chances of flipping sides. If she was just one conversation away from changing sides, she wouldn't of been locked in the Vault to begin with.
If she does flip, my guess is that it will be a gradual process of her coming to understand why Amirdrassil exists and what she would be helping to destroy if Fyrakk suceeds. The new world tree is not a work of the Titans after all.
What is elune ? Do we know ?
@@tenaciousgamer6892 She was referred to as the Winter Queen's "sister" and as being affiliated with the realms of Life in Shadowlands. What it's unclear precisely what any of this means in practice, her association with life on a cosmic level makes it highly unlikely she's a literal Titan in the way we understand it.
from the cutscene i saw, that is very unlikely.
I still want the infinite to become our homies. Also the primal incarnates :p
Edit: maybe I just want to be a bad guy? Interesting 🤔
Someone in chat said "the song of ice and fire" and I LOVE IT AND TOTALLY AGREE lol
If our timeline is not the one they are protecting it would be a pretty amazing set up for a world modernization. 20 year anniversary coming as well.... Feels exciting.
I don’t think that last cinematic is an indication that Vyranoth is too far gone, and consumed by vengeance. If anything, the fact that she was prepared to meet Alexstrasza proves that she isn’t, even if her words contradict this. I think she’s still heartbroken, and is saying it through hurt, but it isn’t who she really is deep down. If it was, she could have just attacked her there and then. Remember, she doesn’t have to become our ally to cease being our enemy. An element of neutrality could still be an option.
On another note; if we see that our reality’s timeline isn’t the “true” one (in fact, there’s probably no such thing), could we see an influx of people who think like the Infinites? Sympathisers? People trying to erase horrific acts in Azeroth’s past to find a better future now that they know the true timeline was probably propaganda? Could make for a fun conflict, especially when there are those in the present timeline that would be torn because they have good things now, even if other suffering could be erased.
It feels like she's telling herself that vengeance is all that's left. You can see slight hesitation on Vyranoth's face for just a fraction in the cinematic, right before she says it's too late.
I would guess she either dies saving the players or Alexstrasza, or ends up neutral and just f's off.
@@kayschut9327 Honestly, if you consider there is a strong chance that some of the eggs that the Titans changed/manipulated quite likely _belonged_ to Vyranoth, there doesn't seem like there'd be _any_ room for forgiveness. Alexstrasza effectively was complicit in aiding a cult to steal the Incarnates' children. The idea that Vyranoth takes a neutral stance seems pretty impossible.
@@c.b.- the Titans SAVED Azeroth, they imprisoned the Old Gods, imprisoned the chaotic Elementals to a plane all their own. they are the good guys, but that doesnt mean that they cannot do wrong or have a bad opinion about what's best for Azeroth. like the Light, we need only to be against the tyranny of Order, rather than regard them as bad guys.
@@c.b.- I mean, people have done pretty dreadful things to Alexstrasza’s brood as well, and she’s been able to move on.
Wonder what Illidan does if it turns out that the Titans are bad, because remember, he's chilling with them making sure Sargeras stays put.
Illidan doesn't care about the Titans. Illidan just wants to punish Sargeras for what he did to him.
@@Kylora2112 He does, however, care about free-will. If he starts seeing too much of X'era in the behaviour of the Titans, he will question his position. He was a catalyst of change for Velen's world-view because of this trait. I do think he will still prioritise dealing with Sargeras over any kind of rebellion against the Titans, but if he doesn't need to deal with or can't deal with Sargeras anymore for any reason, "not caring" about the Titans will not be a continued stance.
This is all provided everything is as the Primalists say.
This is stuff that happened millenia ago. We saved the Titan and beat Sargeras... Kind of think they'd be willing to consider us a step above the other ants.
Titans bad = intersting. Yes. But tragic for those of who ADORED Chronicle. Chronicle is the reason I still play this game. It made me love lore and love Azeroth. Looing at a location in game and thinking - Chronicle explained all of this! So cool. Chronicle is just beautiful. Beautiful art. Beautiful to hold and sniff. But now it's canceled because the Titans wrote it. There will probably never be a Chronicle IV :( Steve and the narrative team have taken so so much from us :( Nevertheless, the idea that the Titans were bad all along is interesting
I think Chronicle would still be almost all accurate though because, even though they are done from a certain perspective, they are generally like dispassionate recordings of history.
As General Marktok once said, 'The Human fascination with What if?'
Virinoth makes me think strongly of Tilda Swinton, her face, her voice, just resonates with her in my brain.
21:55 we did help with the timeline in tbc already, mount hyjal raid and the medivh+thrall dungeon
I want to see new allied races! Now that the old allied races are unlockable post lvl 40, it opens the door for new allied races. I always felt the best way to introduce them as a playable character, that they would feel the need to mobilize for a common goal, working side by side with alliance and horde. If we are defending the new world tree, their home, why not? Drakoid, Tuskkar, and maybe Centars. Could be fun.
The interesting thing about Dracthyr is that it has opened players up to 'I have this character who doesn't always show their gear' even more than Gilnean did. One big hurdle for 'non humanoid races' was how to show the armor on the body frame and the immense work it would be to backdate old sets. If the gear doesn't matter as much we might even see Arakkoa and Sethis allied races in the potential future!
Set up super clean, love it
i dont mind the night elves getting a new world tree in the lore they were only in teldrassil for a short time anyway but id like to see all of the world trees as night elf homes and portals into the emerald dream and have their starter city there
So Iridikron's comment was pretty interesting, "When the titan's come to reclaim their prize, I will be waiting." With that it sounds like we won't see him until after the titans have returned in some capacity. Interesting to think we could see them show back up in 10.3. Unless we go to him in the void that is.
The new camera set up is great.
I'm sure this theory has been proposed before and I've just not seen it, but there's a lot of characters over the years who turn to the Void and just sort of... go away never to be seen again for several expansions. What if, in the inevitable Void focused expansion, they all come back as some sort of mega-army. All these characters from the past that the Void has been collecting and empowering in an effort to finally have a successful incursion into our Universe?
The first thing I thought when I read "the true time line" was how arrogant can you be to think you're living in the "true one". This explains a lot.
So we might just be the PTR timeline and we're the test bed for the true Retail timeline, kinda makes sense. Protect the true one by testing what could go wrong in the PTR one :P
Also the one true timeline thing also makes me think of the Loki series...He Who Remains was protecting the one true timeline by eliminating all divergent ones. They were all real timelines, but he was ensuring only a single one survived.
When Chromie hugs Nozdormu, it makes me realize we can do more cutscenes in game (like ffxiv) during quests. I would love to see more of that than just sitting there listening.
You know while the figure in the portal being Xal'atath seems like the obvious choice, I am going to go with Azshara. The hair and ears are completely different then Xal'atath's. This is pretty obvious with the ears as Night Elf ears are positioned horizontally, just like the ears on the figure in the portal. Xal'atath has the vertical ears that are found on high/blood/void elves. It is a pretty good silhouette for Azshara when she was a Night Elf, which we have seen can can appear as, and that may be double so now with N'Zoth no longer holding her reins.
Now Blizzard of course could give Xal a new model, but we know Azshara is plotting something, and slithered through a portal the last time we saw her. She's just the person to starting grabbing pawns, err allies, as we have seen her do that before.
Just wanna put this out, cuz a lot of people have been talking about it. I don't actually believe Blizzard is going with the "Titans are evil" narrative. I think they might go with the idea that each Cosmic Force believe themselves to be right and the other five to be evil. The Titans are not doing what they do because they are evil they are simply doing what is their nature as beings of Order. They simply follow the directive of the Force of Order, just following their programming if you will.
It's like how people that are religious think all other religions are false religions and their god(s) are the only true one(s) and when they are trying to convert you, they are not doing it because they are being evil they do it because they are geniunly trying to help, because they think it's the only way to save you, even if they are misguided.
I have a feeling this is the narrative Blizz is trying to establish.
They're going with the "everybody sucks a bit" narrative and it just means we have nothing to believe in. I'm sick and tired of every franchise needing to make everything a grey deconstruction.
Honestly, my first thought seeing the conversation between Alexstrasza and Vyranoth was that they're setting up a "redemption arc" of sorts for Vyranoth. She has a pretty clear emotional reason for her vengeance but I feel like it's not in line with what Iridikron is actually planning. I don't think she signed up for all that void stuff?
Also remembering what Neltharion was up to in Aberrus makes me think maybe Iridikron was secretly even collaborating with him , seeing as they're both earth-connected and messing around with the void?
Might be a reason why Vyranoth would finally turn against Iridikron and while she wouldn't necessarily be an ally to the Aspects then; the enemy of my enemy and all that... I'm not too knowledgable on the recent lore/timeline and just spit-balling here, so I might be way off base.
I really want to see a release timeline for 2024 .. like whats after 10.2? It was huge when they published the seasonal plan for 2023, so lets hope they keep that up for each year. Really want to know if theres an active roadmap for next year, and they keep the content train going .. not like past expansions where the real expansion is the first year, and the second year is just dribble while ramping to the next expansion
they should certainly have a roadmap out as soon as 10.2 releases, so we know what comes next, this transparency needs to continue.
And they bought that huge Spellbreak studio which is now fully committed to WoW development. Those fruits have yet to bear.
I'm still curious about the hints of Alexstrasza's "inevitable" corruption that we saw in the little restoring Tyr quest scenario.
Neltharion, Black Dragon Aspect of the Earth / The Earth-Warder, had a deep connection to the earth and was somehow corrupted by whispers of the old gods / the void imprisoned within the earth. He flipped from being a protector to "The Destroyer".
Malygos, Blue Dragon Aspect of Magic / The Spellweaver / The Protector of Magic, was deeply attuned to the magical energies of the world. After going mad from his flight's near extinction at the hands of his former brother Neltharion-turned-Deathwing, Malygos sought to seize absolute control over the world's magical energies. His idea of "keeping magic safe" had become warped to the point where he would bring ruin to all mortal life in achieve this goal.
Nozdormu, Bronze Dragon Aspect of Time / The Timeless One / The Guardian of Time, is empowered with the ability to traverse the timeways and, apparently only sometimes these days, see the events of the future as they are meant to happen. He was shown his future and the moment of his death as Murozond The Infinite Aspect. His purpose being to protect "the true timeline" from interference. His corrupted future self, Murozond the Infinite Aspect, actively seeks to interfere with "the true timeline" that Nozdormu seeks to protect.
Ysera, Green Dragon Aspect of Dreams / The Dreamer, was attuned to The Emerald Dream, a spiritual plane of existence parallel to the mortal realm in which life/nature is shaped before taking form in reality. The Emerald Dream is said to control the flow of evolution of nature in the physical world. Ysera is charged with protecting The Emerald Dream to safeguard Azeroth. In her corruption at the hands of Xavius, she became an agent of The Nightmare, which corrupts and twists The Emerald Dream into something dark and sinister. She was quickly defeated before she could act as an agent of the Nightmare within The Emerald Dream, where she likely would have help expand its influence.
In each case, the corruption of a Dragon Aspect turned them into a dark projection of themselves. Neltharion who was to protect the world sought to destroy it. Malygos who was to protect magic instead hoarded it. Nozdormu who was to protect the true timeline instead seeks to destroy it as Murozond. And Ysera who is charged with protecting The Dream would have instead twisted it into The Nightmare at a large scale.
And this leaves us with the as of yet uncorrupted Alexstrasza the Life-binder, Red Dragon Aspect and Queen of the Dragons. Charged with guarding all life on Azeroth. What corruption awaits her? Undeath? After all, you can't perma-kill everything on Azeroth if it's all already undead. Lightforging? Give up everything for Life and Light, become an immortal, mindless drone for the army of the light under Alexstrasza or else? Fall to the Void? Life itself is inherently entropic, accelerating the rate of entropy of the universe faster than if there was no life. If Void is Entropy as a power, it's all the more reasonable that the Lifebinder, who has lived for countless years, would generate entropic power of The Void over time. Every light fades eventually...
Or Decay (rather than Undeath), as that seems to be an emerging aspect of things not yet explored. Very good point about Alexstrasza being a loose end in this way. Intriguing...
the titans dug holes deeper into azeroth and used it more than the old gods ever did
Oooo.. good point. 🤔
Maybe i'm giving Iridikron too much credit, but i felt like he was in some way aware of the possible outcomes. Maybe a gift from the void knowing all futures. We could either stop Iridikron or save Nodormu, but not both. So when Iridikron says "this timeline" he is referring to our timeline, the timeline where Nozdormu becomes Murizond and he is stopped. He says it before Galakronds essence is in his physical grasp. He is asking why the titans wanted to preserve the timeline where Nozdormu becomes Murizond, implying it was to stop what he was about to do. Not that there was a timeline other than our own that was supposed to be presserved i. The background
I'm calling it now! The return of Slyvannas to protect the new world tree from burning down.
I mean the fact that the curse of flesh is from the Old Gods/Void Lords, I can see us wiping ourselves out of existence to preserve "the true timeline".
I wouldn't say the titans were evil as such, more amoral. They are the embodiment of order on the cosmic chart, and that's why they set about terraforming worlds to their idea of order.
As to their intentions for Azeroth, it's one of their children so they will do what it takes to give it the best chance of growing up safely. If that means controlling timelines or if it means controlling all the dragons, they will do what it takes. As beings of order, control is probably a natural tool to them.
And I think the Vyranoth cutscene is 100% setting up for side switch at the end where primal dragon and titan dragon end up agreeing to co-exist.
If there are any treants about in Amirdrassil I guess you could say it's a...defense of the ancients?
This is all provided everything is as it seems, which isn't always the case. We could be missing information not available to us.
breaking down to finally comment that evitel's hair looks amazing
This brings up another question: The Murozond we kill in End Time. Was it it ever actually *our* Murozond to begin with?
next expansion will be 20 years of wow past, i predict the reboot happening.
Imagine we get the first ever raid that we lose. We do everything to save our timeline but find out he was right and we weren't the protected timeline we then escape into the correct timeline as our timeline go down in flames. We wake up back in azeroth in old vanilla (obviously revamped and different, i'm not literally suggesting classic) and here we meet our lore characters again but different and we have to see how this timeline unfolds from the very beginning. I don't personally think i would want it but i could see a reboot of some sort happen after 20 year :D
Alex looks amazing with her new model in every cinematic .
Given that Nozdormu kinda locks the moment of Deathwing's demise in Cataclysm, I think -that- might have made our timeline the MAIN timeline. Whether or not other entities think of our timeline as the true one is subjective to each entity, I guess?
We stopped Sargeras... How many things had to go perfectly for that to happen? Like even if stuff is still not completely happy on Azeroth, it's not Void/Light/Fel/Death controlled. The Titans are hands off bosses, all the other entities make empires.
I'd pick the absentee Titans to rule over any of the others.
What is Vyrannoth talking about when she says "warp our children?" Is this the part they had to redub in relation to Alexstraza?
I'd be interested in seeing if there's any potential for the Winter Queen to be involved in the story in a way that leads her to being a Winter Queen empowered Violet proto aspect (that also happens to have a stronger link to elemental forces.
Could we potentially see Elune during the World Tree patch? This cinematic between them did feel really well done.
Could we potentially have a fight between both Vyrannoth and Fyrrak in the emerald dream and only with the help of Elune succeed.
Could Vyrannoth take Malfurion's place leaving Ysera free to return? For that matter we COULD see Merithra facing a tragic end and have Merithra take Malfurion's place with Ysera being transferred from the Winter Queen to Elune and becoming the green aspect again while still getting Vyrannoth as a violet proto/elemental aspect.
The emphasis on time, showing it by having us travel back to a pre-Titan Azeroth, building on that and mentioning things like Avoloren and how the Titan's couldn't conquer it is such a great way of doing justice to the new "Cosmic" scope of our present day lore.
Amirdrassil…crown of the ___? Isles(if it’s really gonna be placed in the dragon isles)? Dream? Ages??? Have we had a good theorizing and speculation time for this in the stream that I missed, or has this just already been explained?
I'm just throwing this out there,. Inst there a old God whisper that says "Beware the eyes of green" Chromies eyes
The roadmap is only planned till 10.2 for DF. If fyrakk is the end boss of that, then Iridikron will spill into next expac. Expecting a 10.3 patch in DF would be a bit much especially when they haven't shared it in the roadmap.
I think the whole deal with Nozdormu not being able to track Iridikron is that he's not in our plane of reality anymore. He probably passed into the realm of the Void just like Xalatath and Azshara have. And it makes sense Nozdormu can't see into other realities beyond our own.
He can see every possible timeline.
Lived a million lives.
But he cannot view beyond the veil to other worlds where he will never go.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 Exactly my thoughts
@@warllockmasterasd9142 Or, it just takes a really long time to look through the thousands of timelines. How hard would it be to find my character (without /Who) if I ran and hid somewhere in Azeroth? Now apply that to infinite timelines and only a few hundred/thousand bronze dragons.
It's A whole lot of time and not many dragons. They're only skimming the timelines/channels.
@@kyleellis1825 Not to mention they've to fight their future selfes while doing so that likes to block out their past selves.
This whole thing feels like a set up for us to turn on the titans… mortals vs the universe
The actual titans are binding sargeras. I don’t think iridikron realizes how bad releasing the legion can be.
I feel like the timeline we are going through is the true timeline, idk if he was hinting at it being the "wrong" timeline, but more the timeline that the Titans chose to be "true". BUT I am hoping that there is some fallout with the titans where the people of Azeroth make their own choices more, even if the Titans differ and chose to fight us (which wouldn't be the first time the Titans were kind of bad guys)
So is it implied that we prevented Nozdormu from ever turning into Murozond, or just postponed it further? Where is the Alex and vyranoth scene triggered?
Another way to phrase Tali's theory about us not being the true timeline...
Imagine that the Titan's "true timeline" is a parallel universe that we have already deviated from. But if we follow their instructions, we will eventually change the timeline to undo our universe and replace it with theirs.
Only problem with that theory IMO is the question of why the Titans wouldn't just keep us on the correct tract in the first place, rather than having us veer off course just to get back on course. Perhaps they're trying to undo the void's meddling, but even then the solution should be to have the Bronze flight play offensive as a pro-Titan meddling force, rather than defensive keeping the current path
10.3 will have a raid with all versions of Galakrond from Hearthstone! lol I wish. I hope we get 10.2 world tree with cool stuff from the dream and 10.3 some void related stuff with Rafaam leading us to Cosmic Galactic Disco War Expansion
Titans stepping down from the pantheon to help, in result Sargeras get released, Illidan starts recruiting more Demon Hunters bringing DH available to more races (not all). But it Sargeras finds out the void is on stakes so he will party with us to help lol
These are some good cinematics. Looking forward to playing it, once my vacation is over.
Illidaddy gon have to come and save us
It not being the real timeline is a great way to reset the whole of wow, and streamline it, make it friendlier to new players, less confusing and with a lot less bloat.
Yep, the effort they are putting into developing a good villain(s) is better this time around.
About the timeline stuff. Many forks in that road obviously.
If "we" decide to fight the true timeline, that means teaming up with those we previously defeated as villains. Morally gray? Sure.
How *is* Sargeras doing in that one-true timeline? Does he need any help getting free? Would be a shame if someone helped him.
Or have we gone to far and the Titans show us that we have been manipulated into not trusting them by the forces of thingamagick?
Tali, I may be mis-remembering something. But I thought I picked up that the "true" timeline is the only timeline that has azeroth's world soul in it. All of the other timelines, like azmerloth does not have a titan soul growing in the planet.
It makes me think about the ending of the first Dr Strange movie, where the titans dont exist in a single timeline but rather transcend them all. IIRC the old gods already do this?
If this is correct, then the "true" timeline is not really something that is a prophecy, but rather just an "important" timeline that requires protecting, where as the other timelines are insignificant.
So we have been Duped!
Lol let’s hope that they bring the molten front back in dragon flight. But with a twist. That would be awesome
I get a completely different timeline vibe from these. The impression is that we're *not* preserving a True timeline at all. We're preserving our timeline where the Titans won/benefit. That we're doing what we've thought of the Infinite Dragonflight has been doing the whole time. We're not in danger of deleting ourselves, we're enforcing a divergent reality.
I suspect dragonflight will end with iridikron being betrayed by the void, the rebirth of void infused galakrond which corrupts the new world tree and we'll have to go to the voidlands to find a cure before the infection spreads to azeroth itself.
Working with us is a Light-infused N'Zoth. Yes. This is my new headcannon. Thank you! 😅
i dont think we will get a void galkrond by the end, as what chromie says in game when she sees what irdikron is doing she calls it a dragon soul. which would be really cool as the bad guys making a incarnate soul with the 5 incarnates (galkrond being incarnate of death) and his plan to use it against the titans or maybe azaroth her self
I enjoy the concept of questioning what we think is true, real, and good. We learn to question established truth and be more critical in viewing villains. It's more interesting.
So.. if this isn’t the true timeline and our actions lead to some sort of deletion of our timeline.. that’s basically setting up for a FFIV revamp.
If our timeline isnt the true one then there could be a world revamp next expansion where everthing is diffrent like Arthus never was lich king and is king of lordaeron type vibe
Where in game is that last cinematic? I've done the other ones but see nowhere to trigger that last one.
The Titans created our timeline as bait for the Void Lords. Perhaps ours is one of many, many attempts to find an 'acceptable' outcome.
Ooooooohhh Evi is back
Vyra and Alex definitely experimented together in college, maybe some weed and LSD too
There's a wild theory I've seen thrown around on the basis that the infinite dragonflight story is apparently not finished. That Chromie's actions went against the rules of the bronze and that it's ultimately what damns. her and then by extension Nozdormu. to becoming infinite dragons.
Also, I think the Titan's disregard for us was already in the game when you think about the forge of origination. The built a device to wipe life from the face of azeroth is we got out of hand, only to save the world soul. Clearly we were only allowed to survive post Black Empire because the Titans at that moment couldn't be bothered. Bet if they were aware how much tom f*ckery the denizens of Azeroth would get up to in the long run, they would of glassed the planet eons ago.
I mean two things can be correct at the same time. The titans do care about the "lesser" races and want to shepherd and empower them, and also the titans are abusive parents who suppress any growth and development that doesn't serve their greater interests. They're Vorlons basically, and Tyr is our Kosh
Whatever happened to Ysera? We went to all that trouble trading her for Malfurion in Ardenweald, and now she seems to be gone again.
The thing with timetravel stuff is, that since Murozond exists, there is no way of stopping it from happening. Nozdormu will change and if cant be undone. I really hope Blizz knows what they are doing. Things that allready happened cant be changed.
Anyone think the overhauled azeroth is the true timeline?
If iridikron is intentionally bringing the titans here to fight them, surely that means they have corrupted azeroth or summon an alternate timeline azeroth right? He would need some kind of multiple titan killing secret weapon
Vyranoth is a momma bear scorned.
See that Talie? See how he said 'harbinger'? Take note.
It would be interesting if Fyrrak attacked Vyranoth´s brood same way Deathwing attacked blue dragonflight 10 000 years ago.
I think "Titans are bad" is a bit of a misnomer. It is, much like the void and the light, greyer than that. Properly addressing that the Titans are very authoritarian at the risk of a "our way or gtfo" totalitarian has always been their M.O. It is literally why Sargeras broke away from them, but that is an example of there the "Order" aspect of the Titans was naively "goody goody" as Sargeras had to become despicable in order to resolve something that they would not. The reason why they have always come across as good is because they are set opposite something that is very fundamentally and demonstrably evil. The Legion.
Trying to stop or being attacked by something that is evil doesn't automatically make them good, but when choosing between the two, you would pick the side of the non-evil entity.
Btw, I still think Titans/World Souls aren't and shouldn't automatically be part of the Order aspect of the Cosmos. I believe Aman'thul absolutely is a titan of order, but as he is the oldest, and a being of pure order, I think he has subsequently taken World Souls that are suppose to belong to other powers and essentially forced his will of order on them.
Eonar and Khaz'goroth seem far more suited to the power of Life (creation). Sargeras and Aggramar are more aggressive, militant and righteous in their convictions, which aligns them more with Light. Out of the original seven, only Aman'thul and Norgannon properly represent the power of Order. Golganneth I struggle with, mainly because his canon lore isn't very fleshed out. Sea, skies and elements therein.
Now, a thing to note. All the ones I said clearly don't belong to Order are the Bronze Titans. The 'Vanir' per the non-canon RPG book. Two of the three Silver skinned Titans are clearcut members of Order. The Aesir. If there is a stronger plotline involving the Titans later down the line, I would like to see it be along these lines. Aman'Thul and Norgannon manipulating Life and Light Titan's in to their domain. One downside to this is that is draws heavily on "grooming" which I think is too contentious a storyline for WoW to utilise.
I think it's Ashzara in the portal because why would Xal need to still be an elf in her own environment? She wouldn't have to be she could be her true form in the void.
And they were clutchmates
At the end of the expansion iridikron succeeds and we go to the real 'true timeline', where the cataclysm and shadowlands didn't happen
T&E, first time commenter.
What if Vyranoth isnt too far gone, I think she is the most reqsonable of the 3, and sure seems hurt by Alexesraza and the betrayal.
DF has shown alot of Alex righting her wrongs. What if Vyranoth is the only Incarnate to survive, and Incarnates become the New Flight everyones been talking about?! A whole Flight destinguished not by color, power, or mission, but in unity under the umbrella of being Primal/Elemental/Proto?
This theory hold water?
My theory about the timeline, is that this one is the true timeline because this one is the one in which the titans managed to hold on too azeroth, i mean despite everything azeroth is currently in titan hands and they want to keep it that way.
"all that is left is vengeance" seems like Blizzard's idea of vengeance is burning a world tree down.
It is a little odd for the primalist to be upset about the titans taking freewill when they are doing that to other drakess
Kinda giving up on WOW my PC can’t handle it and kids come first so using you guys as my substitute
To be fair, the Red Spoiler Bot is there to warn of WoW spoilers, not FFXIV spoilers, lol. I'm about to start Heavensward, myself, so it did take me a little by surprise. But if I'm being honest, I also just don't really care that much. Others may feel differently.
I'm hoping Iridikrom ends up infusing himself with the essence of Galakrond sacrificing his sanity to face off against one or two of the Titans who will come to stop the Harbringer. A huge void empowered Iridikrom who is empowered by all the elements from consuming his own kin to amass power fighting against Aggramar and Norganon would be badass.
We saw at the very beginning of the expansion what happens to whelps and eggs when they get infused with elemental energy. It makes you wonder, would titan magic have the same effect? Idk, but watching your children go mad from the sheer pain of existence as soon as they’re born… not gonna make the Incarnates view the titans favorably
One thing I've always quietly hoped way back when finding out about Nosdormu being the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight, was that one day we would see things from their perspective and be the ones coming to change the past. I'm not sure why that always struck me as fun, or neat or whatever. But I liked the idea of revisiting Black Morass from the other perspective, or the Culling of Strathholm, Escape from Durnholde ect ect.
No clue if that's what's actually going on. I don't even play anymore. Just hopping in the random T&E vid to see what's up. Thanks for the vid!
A time-travel themed 'Cataclysm' would be the most obvious direction to take this game in. It would allow Blizzard to clean up the old Cataclysm, restore normality and also create tons of alternative histories (or futures) by making each zone 'warp' back and for throughout time using the Legion Invasion format. And not just a time-warp lasting 15 minutes, but time warps lasting for days.
What makes a timeline « ours » ? That sounds very anthrocentric.
I think Vyranoth will follow Iridikron until she sees he wants genocide and then she may pause. She may not side with us, but she may pause and go off on her own.
did I miss something, when did they name the new world tree before now? they causally say it's name like we already knew it. lol😅
I don't think Nozdormu is free of the destiny yet. Theory... as the transformation of Nozdormu into Murozond is about to happen he either sacrifices himself or asks the player to kill him as a "divine move" ... the one timeline in the infinite that prevents him from transforming.
I now feel Like Odyn is a legit person to view as the ultimate bad guy now. messing with the "true time line will not make him happy".