Existing Master Key Systems? You have 3 options! (really 4) | Locksmithing 101
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- If you're in the locksmithing industry, taking over existing master key systems is unavoidable! This type of lock and key work can be intimidating, frustrating, and unfortunately sometimes expensive for your customer. So what do you do, and what are your options? PJ goes over what you can do, and explains Multiplex Keys Systems in-depth! We want you to have confidence the next time you handle an existing master keys system!
0:25- Taking Over Existing Master Key Systems
1:44- Find the Master Key Chart
2:16- Start a New Master Key System
2:56- Multiplex Key Systems
6:50- How a Locksmith can Participate in the #Lockboss Giveaway!
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Great video. You forgot to mention the importance of keeping up with the safety codes though. The fire department will need that new master key in their knox box.
just did a job where maintenance changes out some panic bars and levers, but replaced the sargent cylinders on those doors with schlage cylinders then and wanted me to tie it into the existing system. What I did first was ( obviously) to replace the schlage cylinders with sargent. Then I removed and gutted one of the original cylinders( all were perimenter doors and KA), decoded it and pinned the new cyliders to match. Just like a #lockboss.
🙌 heck yeah!-PJ
I often find myself in the situation you described bc the integrity of the system was already compromised due to a lack of key control. Everybody needs a master key, etc etc. #lockboss
Nice application for the unwich system!!
Nice reminder for me! Many years in the biz. #lockboss
Awesome Jerry, how many yrs?-PJ
Great way to tame this monster!!!
Good stuff!!!! #Lockboss
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Clever solution there! I, as an amateur, always forget about all the keyways and keyshapes and how they can all work together! #LockBoss
I never fail to learn something from these videos. Thanks
#lockboss
Thanks-PJ
Great information; master keying can be a headache until you figure it out.
#LockBoss
Exsisting master key system I have ran into that situation a couple of times. Thanks James estep #lockboss#lockboss
Very informative, so important to know and understand key ways and availability of cylinders and key blanks. #lockboss
Wow wow PJ, this was an eye opener for me, the problem is solved for my future endeavors.
#Lockboss
Awesome-PJ
Great advice PJ! Thank you! Wonderful job explaining the options! #Lockboss
Thanks-PJ
Super helpful . Ran into a “master” system that was designed by a hardware store for an apartment complex
All locks had dropped 2 pins per cylinder. needed a revamp client was going to have a convo with builder before Anything was done thankful no occupancy yet - #lockboss
Oh wow-PJ
This can be a good solution for phasing in a new system that really wants only one masterkey. #Lockboss
💯-PJ
Awesome PJ
Great video as always
Stay well
#Lockboss
I wish I knew that before I my first master system a few years ago. thats why always love these clk videos I always learn new things #lockboss
Good Video.
Also, Please invest in a mic.
I can constantly hear the hum of either your lights or camera.
Well at least I don’t have to worry about 100 door buildings in my area. 😅
That said, great info PJ!
Haha-PJ
Do you have a resource for the master milled/composite keyways for the various manufacturers, for us aspiring locksmiths? It'd definitely help us become a better #lockboss
The best way to see what's available is in the ilco key blank directory key tree's-PJ
Great information. This is definitely useful information. Thanks PJ.
#Lockboss
Thanks Bobby-PJ
#lockboss jobs a LockBoss job, know when to take it, Know when to fake it...... Never !!!!
Have a great day
Man I love tying into an existing master key system. We get those calls pretty frequently and it’s not a big deal at all.
#LockBoss
Very informative video, i still struggle with masterkeying.#LockBoss
This is great information, the multiplex system is a powerful tool. Of all the locks I deal with, I like schlage the most. #Lockboss
🙌-PJ
This is an every day #lockboss occurrence!
Wow, you just opened a new train of thought to me. Thank you! #lockboss
Honestly, I love to hear that. It's why I make videos like this-PJ
Can you do a video on rotatings constants or is that irrelevant today?
My first time of running into someone else system, Customer said she owned the building (she didn't) said locks where not master keyed (they where) said they didn't need to be master keyed (they did). Added $100 to the bill for the hassle and dishonesty. Swapping keyways would of been helpful there. #lockboss
Oh man!-PJ
When we go to a rural areas to do these jobs we use the hierarchy tree when adding or repairing systems an existing system. Or go to is the F keyway. Great points as always. Also we decode the master and try to do a fill in the blank for possible additional work later. #LockBoss
Good stuff, thanks for the comment Kevin-PJ
Hey pj really great information its over my pay grade my friend lol but totally understand what you were saying ,thanks for the video .#lockboss. 😎
Wow, powerful info about the multiplex system. Thank you! #lockboss
You bet-PJ
Thanks PJ, Great information as always.
Composite keyway? You ended saying replace supply room with a K keyway for access with either the A or E key (at least that's what I understood you to say). I don't see that supported in the charts. #LOCKBOSS
You would use the C-K aka SX keyway-PJ
Excellent ... Now that does help a lot ...#lockboss
Very useful Information pj. Thx. #Lockboss
Starting off, I figured you would have to change the keyway to avoid duplicates of old locks. I did not know about the h series that would work with both for masters. Thanks for the info! #Lockboss
🙌-PJ
Both a creative and affordable method, that's a true #lockboss mindset.
🙌-PJ
Good Stuff!! Thanks for the tips JMJ Locksmith #Lockboss
Good advice for the #lockboss community
Great advice PJ, Thanks for demystifying the master key systems #Lockboss, Cheers
Great info. Thanks PJ. 👍
Great information like always!! #Lockboss
Thanks, I have seen this before but you explained it very well. #Lockboss
Thanks Phillip-PJ
Great info as usual PJ, thx! #LockBoss 4 life!
👊-PJ
Thanks for sharing PJ, I do a lot of obverse keyways in my job so this is very easy to understand.
#Lockboss
Good stuff PJ, your videos always teach me something new!! Thanks for the information! #LOCKBOSS
#lockboss very cool stuff. Never knew about the composit keyway. Do you have a link to one, or a part number I can look up? Want to check that out. Great tips 👍
Very cool & helpful video my friend. #Lockboss
Great information, PJ! I am surprised how many small businesses have put themselves on a master key system, so I agree that we will all likely run into this at some point or another. Thank you for the video! #lockboss
100% it's not if but when-PJ
PJ thank you brother I did not see the first video but I am going to see it after this one. Understood everything you said. You made everything really clear and covered several situations that might come up. I like to learn something new everyday. I learned a whole lot in that video.
#Lockboss
Great to hear, thanks for the feedback Julio-PJ
this video and the other video is very helpful saved both of them so I can watch again if needed later.#lockboss
Great to hear-PJ
Great tutorial! Hope you do more like this. #lockboss
Thanks-PJ
🌵🇨🇦 Interesting topic today. I'm not the locksmith but I know the buildings I work with are very well documented and held by the company security technicians. This way we are not dependent on any one locksmith for maintenance. #LockBoss 🇨🇦🌵
PJ, you just gave me an excellent piece of advice! I'm looking at taking over a Schlage system and this would be perfect! Thank you for the help. #lockboss
Oh Awesome-PJ
Awesome information as always, thanks for sharing this confusing video. Lol! #Lockboss
Another great video, great information. # lockboss
Thanks Steve-PJ
very good idea pj thanks!! #lockboss
🙌-PJ
Awesome PJ, great information and strategies for handling a common problem that a #lockboss will encounter; thank you! 😊🙏
Glad to liked it-PJ
Precise Documentation is an absolute MUST as you will be pinning cylinder(s) with the EXACT identical pins in the exact same configuration (in a different keyway) to take this system over as an intelligent #lockboss. BE SURE you understand what your are doing and you MUST keep good records.
💯 preach it Ken-PJ
That’s a great option. I have the same issue with a customer but kw1. Thanks for the lockboss stuff. I appreciate you guys. #LOCKBOSS
Unfortunately not-PJ
Learned something new today…..#LockBoss
Thanks PJ, very informative. Again helping us think about simple solutions to what could be an otherwise complicated situation. #Lockboss
🙌-PJ
Great video, PJ! I'm sure some in the industry are intimidated by the keyway charts that show multiple levels, but there is a wealth of information in them that comes in very handy when trying to wade into an existing master key system. Thanks for the reminder! #AccessLockKeyLLC #HaulinBrass #LockBoss
💯-PJ
Great suggestion on using a multiplex system. Love your videos!
#Lockboss
I really enjoy this particular topic. Very interesting and very practical! #LockBoss
Great job PJ #lockboss
Nice info PJ #lockboss.
Great video PJ #Lockboss
Nice presentation! #lockboss
Great video PJ! #LockBoss
PJ as always great information to always have in your arsenal.
#LockBoss
Another great video with great information. Is this type of change available to a Kwikset system? Not done a lot of Master key systems. # LockBoss
Learn something new. Thanks. #lockboss
Composite keyway will guarantee unintended crossover if you don't have the old master system info.#LOCKBOSS
💯-PJ
Lots of good options. #lockboss
Omg yes I love these tid bits to make me stronger thank u# lockboss
Thanks for sharing!#lockboss
To me that seems like the most logical option especially if you can't get ahold of the chart and that keyway isn't that much more expensive. The most difficult part is getting your customer to understand why you recommend doing that and the reason for the higher cost due to replacing the cylinders. #lockboss
For sure-PJ
Love the new hoodie. Had to buy it but thats ok. #lockboss
Awesome, thank you-PJ
What would charge per loch any charges doing the pin chart
another great video thank you #lockboss
Great video, thanks…#Lockboss
Hope I can still enter the giveaway. #lockboss
Good info.# lockboss
Very good info #lockboss
Good to know #lockboss
Sounds Good #lockboss
Thanks for the video PJ. Now the viewers please comment how many of you have done this or tried to. #lockboss
🙌-PJ
why not use a sc20 keyway on the Schlage system?
You could but in this case best to wait until you need to. -PJ
@@clksupplies oh okay. I was just wondering. I have used sc20 for all but it was on a VERY large system for a medical mall. Also I’ve been a follower for quiet awhile hit this is my first time commenting. I just got done setting my locksmith van up. How do I share pictures or a clip so viewers can possibly see?
-Zachary Sanders
MS Locksmith
If you pull the pins out of cylinder including master pins, and you have a change key and master, isn’t it possible to reverse engineer it to determine the system?
If u know witch pins was in eatch hole....
@@51-FS true no need for keys you can read cylinder pins
It would take some one like me and you a bit to figure out but I believe it could be done
@@51-FS I’m gunna master a lock cylinder then see if I can reverse engineer it. However seems simple, just get bottom pins to determine change key bitting then using master pins in cylinder and space it belongs to, that should give you change key and master key bittings
If you add the difference instead of subtract that will tell you the master key bitting
Another great video! #lockboss