It’s sad that this is a controversial topic. Many of us can’t afford those plants until they get mass produced. The plant community loves to gatekeep though. Nice video!
It's crazy that this is "controversial." TC is just another form of cloning. A clone is a clone is a clone. The differences in TC plants are primarily because TC start as, like, super juvenile forms, so it takes longer to get to mature forms. The differences disappear when the plants develop to the same maturity as plants from other cloning methods.
that somebody would think a TC is any less “real” than a cutting is the dumbest, most ridiculous thing TCs are often more phenotypically “correct” and wind up better looking than many cuttings, because you’re growing an entire plant from a handful of cells like it was germinated from seed rather than taking a branch or a peripheral section of a mature plant and rooting it
@@cartilagehead Yes! Absolutely! Also, like any form of cloning, the quality of the final product is based on the quality of the starting material. TC starting with a good sample and using good methods is going to be good. Bad samples and bad methods will be bad. But that aspect is no different than a healthy, well cared for cutting -v- one that's half dead from someone trying to cash out before they fully kill their abused houseplant.
the only time there's a genuine issue with genetics is if the sample provided is small and it already has genetic defects, but it's a next to 0 percent occurrence of happening in practice because the sample's traits are thoroughly inspected.
I took a tissue culture class at my university and it baffles me how negatively people look at tissue cultured plants. It's literally just clonal propagation, which is no different then how everyone propagates their houseplants, just smaller and more controlled lol. We were able to grow a nicotiana plant from a singe anther. I'm working to set up a tissue culture lab at home because it's just so fascinating.
Nice! Hopefully my students will think the same as you as soon as they have the class (in May or so). Btw, tissue culture at home is not that difficult if you have acces to some of the supplies (because sometimes you can’t buy lab material as a “normal person”.)
@@grandir5050 Do you know if they are lab-quality? Like sterilized etc? For me it is not that difficult to get supplies, since I teach those courses at a university, but I hope those home-kits are as good as the prof kits :)
@@PlantYes i'm not quite sure, but i do know you can use a pressure cooker to act as an autoclave. check out "here but not" on youtube and his "growing an orchid from a seed" video series. he does a good job of explaining some stuff.
I’ve never understood the controversy. The genetics are likely the same, provided people don’t poach their original samples. The “difference” is simply caused by plants responding to different environments and stressors. Both cuttings and tissue culture are methods of cloning. Same thing, same plant, different method. Why is this controversial when water vs soil or moss is not? Very strange stigma.
Well, that was interesting. I don't care is a plant is TC or not. I'm not a "rare" collector but I have a good number of different more common ones. If you like the plant, then so be it. Great video.
All baby gloriosums look like the one you called TC no matter how they are created. They also start as self headers when babies and will develop mature leaf characteristics and begin to crawl quickly.
3:41 I think the difference you're noticing in the TC tetrasperma vs. the cutting is probably because TC plants don't develop that waxy coating on their leaves in TC until they are fully acclimated to soil (due to the TC vessels being at 100% humidity). It helps to spray them with wilt stop for this reason!
My birkin ended up producing a Congo right in the middle. It was really crazy!! Pink roots with burgundy leaves surrounded by pin stripped green leaves. There was also a tiny baby as well that is still growing
@@zap4980 I love it. I also have an imperial red that I just cut down from 5 ft to 2 with so many new plants. I’m excited to see them grow. It’s leaves are about 5-6”. Do you have any tips on rooting wet sticks? I live in Louisiana (New Orleans) & anytime I try to cover them they mold, but uncovered they dry out so fast that they aren’t taking very well. I’ve used hydrogen peroxide to help & it works very well with water prop but Idk about moss prop. Help!!!
The aquarium hobby has been using tissues cultures for years with great results. It would be really nice to be able to get some very beautiful plants at a cheaper price in a few years....
I have a juvenile ( only just a bit bigger than the ones you have pictured ) TC PPP and the pink in it is like your eyeshadow, all of the TC PPP's my. nursery had were that color as well. TC plants are only as good as the mother plant the tissue was taken from, maybe the TCs you've seen had weaker coloring
Almost every plant is from TC and you never know from where you get your cuttings ☺️ I want to say that I got a TC pink princess and at the begin it looked like the baby on your photo but later it has almost black and very pink leafs. So its an age thing, not tc ☺️
I got a tc variegated billie on ebay with no variegation on the 2 leaves it had. The new leaf is variegated though! I cried. Another new leaf is about to unfurl... I really hope it is variegated too!
Hi Lulu, this is a very interesting subject. It's similar to the hybrid vs species subject with orchids. Orchid purists want only species in their collection, to me they are not as easy growers as the hybrids are, they are grown to be more adaptable to home growing and more affordable, too! I'd love to see a part two on this. I grow houseplants as well as orchids and this subject helps houseplant enthusiasts make informed purchases! Thank you! 😍😍
My tc ppp had quit a few babies in the pot all with different levels of variegation. I had a few that were white not pink at all. As they grew older they got more pink, even in the older leaves. I have them under cheap no name lights as support to my south western exposure windows. ( it’s winter) for such a cheap price (12-16€) it’s definitely fun trying it out!
Tissue cultured plants do not have the negativity suggested in program because they have the same DNA as the mother plant. DNA is the master plan of the plant and it is the same one. Tissue cultured plants are a lot younger than cuttings from an existing plant. That and cultivation environment are the only causes of any differences.
My issue is that you are comparing immature plants to mature ones. Are. Re: Ppp….my tc baby has more variegation and more vibrant pink than my two cuttings. TC are clones of a mother plant. And until you grow that TC seedling to maturity and compare it directly back to its mother, then videos like this really should be shelved.
I’ve got an adansonii that is tc from my local nursery and it has the bushy growth habit but it looks horrible and weak- one species that I probably wouldn’t recommend at a young age
From my understanding pink princesses are all TC (unless you have some super good connections and have one of the original hybrids). The difference is the quality people are using (imaging a photo copy of a photo copy) and time. The older ones (that many cuttings come from) seem to have better genetics or have had more time to develop it. I recall being told no one has successfully grown them from seed.
Honestly, from your pictures the tc pictures look like seedlings. I get extreme pleasure from growing something from a teeny tiny baby. I've got a huge , almost 20 years old , seed grown philodendron Selloum. She's stunning and I love her! I feel the difference is the maturity. Philodendrons are very different as babies. I haven't seen an example of a mature tc. But guess what is in TC now ... SPIRiTUS SANCTI !
I think that there are tissue culture that are worth of the amount of money that the seller is asking for, and others that are not! ...for example i haven't seen one tissue culture philodendron billatae variegated or caramel marbel with good variegation, if any, i know that: 1 . GROWTH PATERN is not the same as you explain 2 SIZE. tissue culture can't reach same size as plants from cutting. 3 the VARIEGATION is not good ( i have read about this ,but i like the ring of fire variegation and paraiso verde in tissue culture ). That's way , there are ones worth the money and other not. I also have notice that tissue culture plants grow faster than cutting but not stronger ...they are not as resilient and don't mature as the plants grow from cutting. All this said if i see a plant that i like i don't care if is tissue culture or cutting . Sometimes is better small plants for small spaces!!😊
The gloriosum was on the top of my wishlist & I finally got my hands on one this past weekend 😭 based on your video it’s not from tc, but honestly I wouldn’t care either way 🤣
What are these theories based on? Many orchids are tissue culture as orchid propagation is virtually impossible to do from seed. A tissue culture will pretty much produce from what the mother plant looked like. So I’m not following the thought process that the coloring is different between a tissue cultured plant and a cutting. Plants differ so it would make sense in that from that perspective.
I'm actually having to research a ton lately about tissue culture, my tc philo pink princess has been getting burn like markings on it almost every leaf that has come out so far. I've read it has something to do with the genetics in some tc and once mature the markings stop appearing. I really hope that's the case, the burn looking marks are stealing her beauty 😔
Tissue cultured or natural plants...I loved them anyway that thrives....🥰...they just awesome...especially alocasia which dips into underground like dragon scale even cuprea...Nebula...they actually gives good vibes to buyers and nightmare to sellers who sells plants as diamonds...
I recently got a gloriousum and always thought it looked different, not in a good way. It's lighter colored, the veins aren't as pronounced, just generally less than. I thought it was just that it's a young plant. Comparing it now to the tc pic you showed, it's identical. Wish I'd known before purchasing it. Would've saved myself the money.
I red that PPs are tissue cultred sice ages. (Early 2000s) Also, you don't know if your cutting comes from TC plant? At least here in Europe more than 80% of plants are tissue cultered. Its totally "normal" and not even something new. I don`t know why people are now so crazy freaking out about TC :D
Tissue culturè is ok. But... It will start on juvinle stage again and depending on the subject plant that had been tissue cultured, ...if the genes of the plant is natural then it will gives you the natural plant. But if the subject plant gene has been "manipulated", it will show on the juvinle stage of that plant that have been tissue cultured.
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It’s sad that this is a controversial topic. Many of us can’t afford those plants until they get mass produced. The plant community loves to gatekeep though. Nice video!
It's crazy that this is "controversial." TC is just another form of cloning. A clone is a clone is a clone. The differences in TC plants are primarily because TC start as, like, super juvenile forms, so it takes longer to get to mature forms. The differences disappear when the plants develop to the same maturity as plants from other cloning methods.
that somebody would think a TC is any less “real” than a cutting is the dumbest, most ridiculous thing
TCs are often more phenotypically “correct” and wind up better looking than many cuttings, because you’re growing an entire plant from a handful of cells like it was germinated from seed rather than taking a branch or a peripheral section of a mature plant and rooting it
@@cartilagehead
Yes! Absolutely!
Also, like any form of cloning, the quality of the final product is based on the quality of the starting material. TC starting with a good sample and using good methods is going to be good. Bad samples and bad methods will be bad. But that aspect is no different than a healthy, well cared for cutting -v- one that's half dead from someone trying to cash out before they fully kill their abused houseplant.
Absolutely this!
Yes ! Thank you. They're basically seedlings !
the only time there's a genuine issue with genetics is if the sample provided is small and it already has genetic defects, but it's a next to 0 percent occurrence of happening in practice because the sample's traits are thoroughly inspected.
I took a tissue culture class at my university and it baffles me how negatively people look at tissue cultured plants. It's literally just clonal propagation, which is no different then how everyone propagates their houseplants, just smaller and more controlled lol. We were able to grow a nicotiana plant from a singe anther. I'm working to set up a tissue culture lab at home because it's just so fascinating.
Sadly, people look down upon things they are unfamiliar with. It's an elitist thing.
Nice! Hopefully my students will think the same as you as soon as they have the class (in May or so).
Btw, tissue culture at home is not that difficult if you have acces to some of the supplies (because sometimes you can’t buy lab material as a “normal person”.)
@@PlantYes etsy and amazon have those kits available for purchase!!
@@grandir5050 Do you know if they are lab-quality? Like sterilized etc? For me it is not that difficult to get supplies, since I teach those courses at a university, but I hope those home-kits are as good as the prof kits :)
@@PlantYes i'm not quite sure, but i do know you can use a pressure cooker to act as an autoclave. check out "here but not" on youtube and his "growing an orchid from a seed" video series. he does a good job of explaining some stuff.
Title is a little misleading. These plants aren’t really fake, they’re just grown differently.
I haven’t seen a lot of videos on tissue culture. Good job!
Your eye make up looks STUNNING!!!!
I’ve never understood the controversy. The genetics are likely the same, provided people don’t poach their original samples. The “difference” is simply caused by plants responding to different environments and stressors. Both cuttings and tissue culture are methods of cloning. Same thing, same plant, different method. Why is this controversial when water vs soil or moss is not? Very strange stigma.
Your make up looks so good and your skin is flawless.
I love that your eyeshadow and shirt match the more mature PPP :) you look lovely!
Well, that was interesting. I don't care is a plant is TC or not. I'm not a "rare" collector but I have a good number of different more common ones. If you like the plant, then so be it. Great video.
Loving your overall style/vibe in this video 😍
All baby gloriosums look like the one you called TC no matter how they are created. They also start as self headers when babies and will develop mature leaf characteristics and begin to crawl quickly.
3:41 I think the difference you're noticing in the TC tetrasperma vs. the cutting is probably because TC plants don't develop that waxy coating on their leaves in TC until they are fully acclimated to soil (due to the TC vessels being at 100% humidity). It helps to spray them with wilt stop for this reason!
My birkin ended up producing a Congo right in the middle. It was really crazy!! Pink roots with burgundy leaves surrounded by pin stripped green leaves. There was also a tiny baby as well that is still growing
Same 🙋🏽♀️
@@zap4980 I love it. I also have an imperial red that I just cut down from 5 ft to 2 with so many new plants. I’m excited to see them grow. It’s leaves are about 5-6”. Do you have any tips on rooting wet sticks? I live in Louisiana (New Orleans) & anytime I try to cover them they mold, but uncovered they dry out so fast that they aren’t taking very well. I’ve used hydrogen peroxide to help & it works very well with water prop but Idk about moss prop. Help!!!
I'm curious about Zz plants? Do they grow faster in TC? And is there any variegated Zz in TC at the moment?
I can't think of a reason why a TC Zizi would grow differently. A clone of a slow growing plant is a slow growing plant.
Love an informative video! Thank you! You seem so much more happy in this video, it's nice to see 🥰
Thanks for sharing information really enjoy as a new plants mom
Great video, please do part 2. Would really want to see the TC Gloriosum...
Thanks for sharing your tips to care plants, more sharing my friend
Super interesting topic! You learn something new every day - I wouldn’t have thought the birkin is a tissue culture plant!
The aquarium hobby has been using tissues cultures for years with great results. It would be really nice to be able to get some very beautiful plants at a cheaper price in a few years....
I have a juvenile ( only just a bit bigger than the ones you have pictured ) TC PPP and the pink in it is like your eyeshadow, all of the TC PPP's my. nursery had were that color as well. TC plants are only as good as the mother plant the tissue was taken from, maybe the TCs you've seen had weaker coloring
Love this video! Also, you are always KILLING IT with your makeup, damn.
Wonderful information. Would love a part 2
I'm so thankful for tissue culture I wouldn't have hafe of my plants I'm sure 😌 thanks girl love the video ad always xox
I have a home culture lab in my basement- it’s not magic.
Almost every plant is from TC and you never know from where you get your cuttings ☺️ I want to say that I got a TC pink princess and at the begin it looked like the baby on your photo but later it has almost black and very pink leafs. So its an age thing, not tc ☺️
I got a tc variegated billie on ebay with no variegation on the 2 leaves it had. The new leaf is variegated though! I cried. Another new leaf is about to unfurl... I really hope it is variegated too!
I just recently got a TC Squami!
Hi Lulu, this is a very interesting subject. It's similar to the hybrid vs species subject with orchids. Orchid purists want only species in their collection, to me they are not as easy growers as the hybrids are, they are grown to be more adaptable to home growing and more affordable, too! I'd love to see a part two on this. I grow houseplants as well as orchids and this subject helps houseplant enthusiasts make informed purchases! Thank you! 😍😍
My tc ppp had quit a few babies in the pot all with different levels of variegation. I had a few that were white not pink at all. As they grew older they got more pink, even in the older leaves. I have them under cheap no name lights as support to my south western exposure windows. ( it’s winter) for such a cheap price (12-16€) it’s definitely fun trying it out!
The plant will not lose its variegation ever right?
they are not fake. but is very important to take samples from disease free, healthy and beautiful specimens.
Great 😊 video, thank for the informations
Tissue cultured plants do not have the negativity suggested in program because they have the same DNA as the mother plant. DNA is the master plan of the plant and it is the same one. Tissue cultured plants are a lot younger than cuttings from an existing plant. That and cultivation environment are the only causes of any differences.
My issue is that you are comparing immature plants to mature ones.
Are. Re: Ppp….my tc baby has more variegation and more vibrant pink than my two cuttings.
TC are clones of a mother plant. And until you grow that TC seedling to maturity and compare it directly back to its mother, then videos like this really should be shelved.
I’ve got an adansonii that is tc from my local nursery and it has the bushy growth habit but it looks horrible and weak- one species that I probably wouldn’t recommend at a young age
I have both tc and cutting grown plants. I really don’t see a difference but I’m all about cheaper.
From my understanding pink princesses are all TC (unless you have some super good connections and have one of the original hybrids). The difference is the quality people are using (imaging a photo copy of a photo copy) and time. The older ones (that many cuttings come from) seem to have better genetics or have had more time to develop it. I recall being told no one has successfully grown them from seed.
Beautiful plants and there is nothing wrong with TC plants 💜🪴
Honestly, from your pictures the tc pictures look like seedlings. I get extreme pleasure from growing something from a teeny tiny baby. I've got a huge , almost 20 years old , seed grown philodendron Selloum. She's stunning and I love her!
I feel the difference is the maturity. Philodendrons are very different as babies. I haven't seen an example of a mature tc. But guess what is in TC now ... SPIRiTUS SANCTI !
I think that there are tissue culture that are worth of the amount of money that the seller is asking for, and others that are not! ...for example i haven't seen one tissue culture philodendron billatae variegated or caramel marbel with good variegation, if any, i know that:
1 . GROWTH PATERN is not the same as you explain
2 SIZE. tissue culture can't reach same size as plants from cutting.
3 the VARIEGATION is not good ( i have read about this ,but i like the ring of fire variegation and paraiso verde in tissue culture ).
That's way , there are ones worth the money and other not.
I also have notice that tissue culture plants grow faster than cutting but not stronger ...they are not as resilient and don't mature as the plants grow from cutting.
All this said if i see a plant that i like i don't care if is tissue culture or cutting . Sometimes is better small plants for small spaces!!😊
And lulu looks like pink princess😂
Great topic!
The gloriosum was on the top of my wishlist & I finally got my hands on one this past weekend 😭 based on your video it’s not from tc, but honestly I wouldn’t care either way 🤣
Nice, so chances are I’ll be getting a gloriosum in my garden centre 👍🏼
What are these theories based on? Many orchids are tissue culture as orchid propagation is virtually impossible to do from seed. A tissue culture will pretty much produce from what the mother plant looked like. So I’m not following the thought process that the coloring is different between a tissue cultured plant and a cutting. Plants differ so it would make sense in that from that perspective.
I'm actually having to research a ton lately about tissue culture, my tc philo pink princess has been getting burn like markings on it almost every leaf that has come out so far. I've read it has something to do with the genetics in some tc and once mature the markings stop appearing. I really hope that's the case, the burn looking marks are stealing her beauty 😔
Tc plants grow so much better and stronger. Even if they lose all their roots they grow back. I have many 💚
Tissue cultured or natural plants...I loved them anyway that thrives....🥰...they just awesome...especially alocasia which dips into underground like dragon scale even cuprea...Nebula...they actually gives good vibes to buyers and nightmare to sellers who sells plants as diamonds...
TC raphidophora tetrasperma looks so different than the normal one, prefer a normal one much more
You probably have to be a plant nut to differentiate between the two! For me: you better look good plant or I don’t want you!!!!🤣😂
I recently got a gloriousum and always thought it looked different, not in a good way. It's lighter colored, the veins aren't as pronounced, just generally less than. I thought it was just that it's a young plant. Comparing it now to the tc pic you showed, it's identical. Wish I'd known before purchasing it. Would've saved myself the money.
As Lucia says: just give it time to mature
I red that PPs are tissue cultred sice ages. (Early 2000s) Also, you don't know if your cutting comes from TC plant? At least here in Europe more than 80% of plants are tissue cultered. Its totally "normal" and not even something new. I don`t know why people are now so crazy freaking out about TC :D
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Tissue culturè is ok. But...
It will start on juvinle stage again and depending on the subject plant that had been tissue cultured, ...if the genes of the plant is natural then it will gives you the natural plant.
But if the subject plant gene has been "manipulated", it will show on the juvinle stage of that plant that have been tissue cultured.
Talk too long
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