Thank you for uploading this detailed video. Your video helped me diagnose my high-pressure fuel pump was bad. Saved me hundreds of dollars that I would have paid a dealership.
Thanks so much for this video!!! Your explanation confirmed my thoughts about how the system was laid out, and you supplied some much needed information for my testing. I wasgoing to replace my fuel pressure regulator while working on my VST, but that little part costs over $230, so i will be testing ig instead, first! Thanks again👍👍
One of the best explanations of how this system works. Should add if you experience furl cutting out at mid throttle and everything else checks out look at float needle. I had piece of fuel line break off plug the needle restricting fuel from low pressure pump to vst.
Thank you for the kind words. Good tip to check if someone is experiencing that issue, thanks for posting. I left the VST tank out of the video because I felt like there was other videos that covered it well enough, and I didn't film it when I took this one apart. The low pressure side / lift pump side, not a ton of information out there about it.
Very good. I ordered a fuel pressure testing set. I been fighting this battle for a while. My priming ball went flat on me yesterday. I'm going to try an external tank.
Thanks! That is a great explanation. I've been battling gremlins in my 60HP 4-stroke Merc for a couple years now. Pretty sure it is due to low fuel pressure.
Great video with lots of information! I have a 2010 40 hp mercury bigfoot. Why would fuel be coming out of the hose you said was just for air to escape. The hose on top right beside the low pressure fuel line going into the high pressure fuel pump?
This would mean the float valve in the top of the VST tank that is supposed to shut off the low pressure fuel supply is not working correctly. Either it is sticking open or the float is full of fuel
My low pressure filter, the bowl, keeps going dry after it’s running. It doesn’t seem to be affecting it doesn’t do that on my other outboard. Gaskets look fine, threads are fine. Not sure why it’s doing that, is it sucking air somewhere maybe?
It could be, check for leaks on the filter bowl gasket, and try to eliminate variables. Do what you can to eliminate chunks of the system to narrow where the problem might be. Have the suction side pickup fuel from a separate container with different ( temporary line) fuel line. If it stops make sure the pickup in the tank is fully covered and there's no splits leaking air on the pickup or at any fittings. If there's no change you can test the lp fuel pump suction and make sure the needle is smooth on the vacuum guage. and not fluctuating rapidly.
What would cause my engine to need to be primed to keep running? Idles okay but giving it any throttle i need to keep priming the bulb. Im assuming it isn't the high pressure fuel pump because it can run at WOT as long as im priming the bulb. Once i stop it starts to starve itself from fuel. Low pressure fuel pump you figure?
I would say lofp. You can do the tests in the video. If you see the fuel pressure gauge bouncing that is a sure sign of the lpfp being bad. A healthy lpfp has very stable fuel pressure, it's not something I videoed but found out after replacing it. Other things could be a leak where it is sucking air. As it's pulling the fuel.
My boat -2018 tracker pro170 with 2018 mercury 50HP- runs perfect for 10 minutes. Then if i Idle it shuts off and will not crank back up until the next day. Bass pro wanted to charge me $1500 to replace my vapor seperator assembly. Do you think it could just be be dirty or something? Tryingnot to replace the whole system if possible
The vst assembly is able to be fully disassembled and cleaned. If the pump or pressure regulator is bad on the high pressure side you can figure that out, there are videos on the vst tank. I touch on it briefly in this video but don't cover it in depth. The pressure regulator has a screen in it too, when you remove the regulator it's beneath it. Sounds like your high pressure fuel pump may not be turning back on after it warms up, you will see that if you put a pressure gauge on the vst tank..
Does the fuel make noise when the key is on? I have one and hear no noise with the key on and I can prime fuel system and get it to run for a few seconds then have to deprive it, just wondering if the fuel pump is bad
I have a bizarre question for you, but that motor appears to be on a fiberglass boat of some kind. I was curious what kind of speed you’re getting out of that boat I have a 60 hp on a 16’5 aluminum boat that weighs about 900 pounds and I’m only reaching a top speed of 29 mph and is a dog out of the hole ,so I’m assuming the motor is not performing correctly. I have replaced the entire fuel system on the motor except for the injectors so I’m just curious if I’m chasing a higher performance that may not be there. Hope that makes sense.
It's not my boat and I haven't personally been out on it so I cant really about performance, but I did ask the owner and he said top speed is about 30 mph. It's a 2017 Mako Pro Skiff 17', online says 950 lbs.
I have a BW 15 Montauk with the 60 merc 4s. Boat weighs almost 1,400 lbs and I cruise at around 25mph at 4500rpm WOT gets up to around 33ish. I have the command thrust lower unit and have the OB raised 2 notches on the transom. I’d look into the injectors hope this helps
Low pressure pump or high pressure pump ? Are you testing pressure from the Schrader valve on the VST tank? Assuming you put in a new high pressure pump and you're reading 35 psi from the Schrader valve it's possible the pressure regulator is stuck open or partially open. After you shut off the engine does the pressure bleed down? It should hold for a while. I would consider pulling apart the VST tank and in the top lid is the pressure regulator & there are a few screens (one behind the regulator too). I would clean everything and make sure nothing is blocked. Replace the regulator if pressure is low and everything is clean.
@lillyautomotive My pressure tester was faulty! Also, it was never my fuel pump. I spent $600 for nothing. It ended up being my fuel line. The lining inside was all bunched up. 😩
Ah bummer that sucks! The lining inside the fuel line is why I was saying not to pinch it when testing and to pinch the line you were using to tee in the gauge, I know I wasn't super clear with that aspect but anyway atleast you found your problem.
Greetings my dear friend.. There is a 50 hp thatsu engine. 3 injectors are intact, the brain is intact, the fuel pump is working... but I think there is no fuel reaching the pistons. It works when I spray brake lining spray inside. I am a mechanical technician myself. Apart from the 3 injectors of the engine, there are also injectors inside the compartment called the log, I think they adjust the air and gasoline mixture. Could it be one of these? What is your advice? I wish you a good day... From Tuzla, Istanbul Greetings... Gasoline reaches the injectors. In addition to the fuel pump, there is also a pressure box that pushes the fuel forward.
If the engine is running on brake cleaner, then the issue is fuel related. The injectors may not be operating, the could be clogged and spraying poorly, circuit failure, or proper fuel pressure may not be making it to them / clogged fuel filter, or screens located prior to the fuel pump. I am not 100% familiar with the engine you are asking about but I would start there.
Thank you for uploading this detailed video. Your video helped me diagnose my high-pressure fuel pump was bad. Saved me hundreds of dollars that I would have paid a dealership.
Thanks so much for this video!!! Your explanation confirmed my thoughts about how the system was laid out, and you supplied some much needed information for my testing. I wasgoing to replace my fuel pressure regulator while working on my VST, but that little part costs over $230, so i will be testing ig instead, first! Thanks again👍👍
Glad the video helped!
One of the best explanations of how this system works.
Should add if you experience furl cutting out at mid throttle and everything else checks out look at float needle. I had piece of fuel line break off plug the needle restricting fuel from low pressure pump to vst.
Thank you for the kind words. Good tip to check if someone is experiencing that issue, thanks for posting. I left the VST tank out of the video because I felt like there was other videos that covered it well enough, and I didn't film it when I took this one apart. The low pressure side / lift pump side, not a ton of information out there about it.
@@lillyautomotive most people automatically go to the high pressure pump. It can fail from a faulty or restricted low pressure pump.
WOW! Bravo! Excellente présentation. One of the best RUclips explanation of the VSP circuit.
Bro, you rock that was a great video. That was a really great video. You should make more videos. Thank you for that.
Very good. I ordered a fuel pressure testing set. I been fighting this battle for a while. My priming ball went flat on me yesterday. I'm going to try an external tank.
Appreciate the detailed explanation best video on the topic I’ve found
Thank you, glad it helped
Thanks! That is a great explanation. I've been battling gremlins in my 60HP 4-stroke Merc for a couple years now. Pretty sure it is due to low fuel pressure.
what a great video..thank you
Great video thanks for sharing
Great video with lots of information! I have a 2010 40 hp mercury bigfoot. Why would fuel be coming out of the hose you said was just for air to escape. The hose on top right beside the low pressure fuel line going into the high pressure fuel pump?
This would mean the float valve in the top of the VST tank that is supposed to shut off the low pressure fuel supply is not working correctly. Either it is sticking open or the float is full of fuel
My low pressure filter, the bowl, keeps going dry after it’s running. It doesn’t seem to be affecting it doesn’t do that on my other outboard. Gaskets look fine, threads are fine. Not sure why it’s doing that, is it sucking air somewhere maybe?
It could be, check for leaks on the filter bowl gasket, and try to eliminate variables. Do what you can to eliminate chunks of the system to narrow where the problem might be. Have the suction side pickup fuel from a separate container with different ( temporary line) fuel line. If it stops make sure the pickup in the tank is fully covered and there's no splits leaking air on the pickup or at any fittings. If there's no change you can test the lp fuel pump suction and make sure the needle is smooth on the vacuum guage.
and not fluctuating rapidly.
What would cause my engine to need to be primed to keep running? Idles okay but giving it any throttle i need to keep priming the bulb. Im assuming it isn't the high pressure fuel pump because it can run at WOT as long as im priming the bulb. Once i stop it starts to starve itself from fuel. Low pressure fuel pump you figure?
I would say lofp. You can do the tests in the video. If you see the fuel pressure gauge bouncing that is a sure sign of the lpfp being bad. A healthy lpfp has very stable fuel pressure, it's not something I videoed but found out after replacing it. Other things could be a leak where it is sucking air. As it's pulling the fuel.
My boat -2018 tracker pro170 with 2018 mercury 50HP- runs perfect for 10 minutes. Then if i Idle it shuts off and will not crank back up until the next day.
Bass pro wanted to charge me $1500 to replace my vapor seperator assembly.
Do you think it could just be be dirty or something? Tryingnot to replace the whole system if possible
The vst assembly is able to be fully disassembled and cleaned. If the pump or pressure regulator is bad on the high pressure side you can figure that out, there are videos on the vst tank. I touch on it briefly in this video but don't cover it in depth.
The pressure regulator has a screen in it too, when you remove the regulator it's beneath it.
Sounds like your high pressure fuel pump may not be turning back on after it warms up, you will see that if you put a pressure gauge on the vst tank..
@ thanks for the response
Does the fuel make noise when the key is on? I have one and hear no noise with the key on and I can prime fuel system and get it to run for a few seconds then have to deprive it, just wondering if the fuel pump is bad
I have a bizarre question for you, but that motor appears to be on a fiberglass boat of some kind. I was curious what kind of speed you’re getting out of that boat I have a 60 hp on a 16’5 aluminum boat that weighs about 900 pounds and I’m only reaching a top speed of 29 mph and is a dog out of the hole ,so I’m assuming the motor is not performing correctly. I have replaced the entire fuel system on the motor except for the injectors so I’m just curious if I’m chasing a higher performance that may not be there. Hope that makes sense.
It's not my boat and I haven't personally been out on it so I cant really about performance, but I did ask the owner and he said top speed is about 30 mph. It's a 2017 Mako Pro Skiff 17', online says 950 lbs.
I have a BW 15 Montauk with the 60 merc 4s. Boat weighs almost 1,400 lbs and I cruise at around 25mph at 4500rpm WOT gets up to around 33ish. I have the command thrust lower unit and have the OB raised 2 notches on the transom. I’d look into the injectors hope this helps
Would this cause the engine to sputter and have trouble gaining rpm?
check the coils
Thanks mate, I've got a 2014, 60 hp Mercury efi, so this video is a great help in understanding the fuel system. You got any trim/tilt info?
Nah not right now. As stuff comes in and time allows Ill film it. It'll probably be some time before I have another boat to work on.
Happy I found this cuz the service manual sucks ass at describing and explaining this system. Thank you
Agree, glad the video helped
I just put a new pump and I'm at 35 psi 😢
Low pressure pump or high pressure pump ? Are you testing pressure from the Schrader valve on the VST tank?
Assuming you put in a new high pressure pump and you're reading 35 psi from the Schrader valve it's possible the pressure regulator is stuck open or partially open. After you shut off the engine does the pressure bleed down? It should hold for a while. I would consider pulling apart the VST tank and in the top lid is the pressure regulator & there are a few screens (one behind the regulator too). I would clean everything and make sure nothing is blocked. Replace the regulator if pressure is low and everything is clean.
@lillyautomotive My pressure tester was faulty! Also, it was never my fuel pump. I spent $600 for nothing. It ended up being my fuel line. The lining inside was all bunched up. 😩
Ah bummer that sucks! The lining inside the fuel line is why I was saying not to pinch it when testing and to pinch the line you were using to tee in the gauge, I know I wasn't super clear with that aspect but anyway atleast you found your problem.
@@lillyautomotive you're video is super helpful! Thank you!
@@jetski_tom5238 Glad to hear
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Greetings my dear friend.. There is a 50 hp thatsu engine. 3 injectors are intact, the brain is intact, the fuel pump is working... but I think there is no fuel reaching the pistons. It works when I spray brake lining spray inside. I am a mechanical technician myself. Apart from the 3 injectors of the engine, there are also injectors inside the compartment called the log, I think they adjust the air and gasoline mixture. Could it be one of these? What is your advice? I wish you a good day... From Tuzla, Istanbul Greetings... Gasoline reaches the injectors. In addition to the fuel pump, there is also a pressure box that pushes the fuel forward.
If the engine is running on brake cleaner, then the issue is fuel related. The injectors may not be operating, the could be clogged and spraying poorly, circuit failure, or proper fuel pressure may not be making it to them / clogged fuel filter, or screens located prior to the fuel pump. I am not 100% familiar with the engine you are asking about but I would start there.