1990 Citroën XM 2.0Si (part 1) - Taking a LOOK inside Citroën's European Car of the Year 1989!
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2025
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Part 1: The look around
Part 2: POV Drive 'Gold Edition' (cringe!) - • 1990 Citroën XM 2.0Si ...
Here, in a quiet layby frequently used by undesirable characters after the sun goes down, I wander around a 1990 (ignore the plate) Citroen XM 2.0Si, and wonder what I've been missing out on by never having actually owned one.
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Love your way of describing this. My uncle had a BX16 that I sat in the back of for many many miles. It was great, needed new spheres once or twice but he took care of it and as i remember it didnt give hime any trouble. Absolutely no more than the saabs and audis other people in the same environment drove.
Oh my, how could I forget the glorious XM, I spend too much time fantasising over Light 15s, Big Sixes, every iteration of DS, CX, BX, GS, C5, C6 etc.
I recall a visit to,my sister and bruv-in-Law in Germany back in the 90s and meeting up with a friend of their’s who ran a V6, I was stunned to see how much he loved his Citroën XM V6 and sneered at the Mercs, Beemers and Audi’s that dominated the scene and swarmed all over the roads.
Oh please Euromillions, shine on me!
Your BIL had the right idea!
i remember a v6 with leather and me drooling over it but was out my price range, it was forsale on garage forecourt possibly early nineties, I think Citroen did some brilliant and different designs in the day
This is a wonderful thing.
Memories of a Series 1 2.1 SD manual estate.
It was fast.... Much faster than a 2.1 diesel dragging a massive body should be.
The parking brake was a pain on a manual.... Everything else was excellent.
The sweep of glass from the windscreen through to the doors is a marvel and a triumph and is somehow art. With small children, the rear seat legroom was like a second boot, as if we needed one.
In 5th it was so, so easy to creep over 100mph. It just started to accelerate like a diesel locomotive and it kept getting quietly faster.
The middle (third) sun visor was also a silly but clever thing.
Good video. Full of memories.
Smiley emoji.
When I was a kid, all my friends loved ford and vauxhall. For me, it was boring. On every road, street and kerb side was a Sierra or cavalier. I loved the unusual and the different cars of that period. What really kicked it off was his Volvo 480. It was something else. But then I noticed more Volvo's and then Saab's and my brain was on meltdown mode. One day, I was out with my folks at the town centre and we waited to cross the road when a white XM drove past and my chin dropped. It felt like it took an eternity to pass by as it was soo big and wafty! You mentioned that the roof floats and that's what I thought as a 7 year old...."dad look, it's roof is floating", to which he replied "it's not my cup of tea" (meaning it's not for me! 😂)
My point is this... Car manufacturers used to be brave and take risks. Citroen, Volvo and Saab all had their own thing going. You knew one when it passed you by in the street and I feel this is no longer the case. It's a shame, really....this was truly a great time for motoring!
Great little walkround Rich, when I was a kid I compared this to Kitt from Knight rider it just looked so futuristic and ahead of its time, it really still is a bold looking car and agree with you I much prefer the phase 1.
In Ireland they call them Monday morning cars, blaming a less than ideal attention to detail in the factory to post weekend hangovers.
as someone who owns the even bigger XM Break, i'd have to say, it's a very fun car to throw around on our mountain roads, i'm currently trying to find a setup for the spheres that fits my liking a bit more, and i'm really happy with standard hydractive spheres, and wheel spheres from the CX Break, it's mad comfy, but somehow still handles quite good. and by modern standards it's really not a big car, except for the inside, coming from basically just modern cars, it's mad how much room you have.
Love the Xm. Living in France late 80s , drove an Ax from new. Loved the local Citroen garages with typical French attitude to complexity. Style and flair over practicality. The xm is built for cruising and those great design touches. Preferred Cx, but Xm had more modern engines.
Owned a CX 2L Pallas always wanted one of these. The side view reminds me of the similar shape Peugeot 605 and even the big 90's Alfa Romeo 164.
My dad had a c reg bx19dtr,it was a spaceship compared to the Sierra before, rocker indicators included.
I had a xantia I bought for £237 off ebay, I was annoyed once it needed work, once in the 5 years I'd owned it.
The front accumulator went, £20 and a smack with a lump hammer to the cold chisel going through the sphere and off she came.
The clutch went and I got £130 back and bought a mk2 golf gti for £264.
Back in the early 00's ebay was good!
I have been in an, exclusive or executive XM 2.1td, it was a taxi with full leather and a slush box doing nearly 40mpg avg!
I think the driver was glad to see the back of me, I touched everything and asked questions the whole journey.
I would kill for one of these.
It's that one! Came from the same dealer as my dad's bx.
I loved my xm, it was fantastic
Another RUSH fan! 😎👍
Most talented rock band of all time. 👍
@@UPnDOWN Indeed! I've been a fan since the 70's when 2112 was released. And went to their Clockwork Angels Tour & Time Machine Tour concert in London....
I wish I'd discovered them early enough to go and see them.
I'd say the V6 in particular was a really nice car in its heyday.
Something I love about hydro Citroëns is they were doing stance long before the stance scene came around. Haha you could roll up to a meet in a stock car and look better than the people who have paid thousands to slam their car as low as possible.
ummm I still wouldn't show one to the Japanese stance guys tho ...LOL
@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars I would. Watch their Jaws drop when you get your old ratty French Baguette lower than theirs with it being completely original.
@@MrManBuzz What I meant was don't give them a Citroen to stance with ..they will totally wreck it ..
but it would be a breeze getting it out of Stance motor shows regarding the entrances ..see my saved playlist vid.
UP AND DOWN ..LOL
Sympathy for the heritage of Stepan Bandera in left under corner.
Nope, it's just a flag to show support to the people of a nation currently being invaded by a neighbouring nation. End of.
The side view really looks like the Rover 800 fastback. Newish subscriber to your channel, loving your videos, thanks for posting them. :-)
Yeah, I can see the similarities. I guess it's because of the fastback-profile.
The point of the parking brake is that it can be used as an emergency brake. It doesn't ratchet in as long as you don't push the little lever in, so when the hydraulic brake system fails you can safely stop the car with the parking brake pedal. It uses the front calipers so you don't spin out and has almost the same braking distance as the normal operating brakes.
Same as all the other LHM-based hydro-Citroens (plus the mk1 C5), but you had to pull the handbrake lever with those.
It's on the front wheels because otherwise the car would creep forward as it sank, due to the geometry of the rear suspension.
My Dad had one of the first XM's a 2.0 Si Manual in Memphis Blue with Cloth interior G886 KAG .I loved it . I Was I my twenties at the time and he offered it to me to buy it after 6 yrs ..but 5th gear was starting to grate ..so I decided not to ..a mistake now thinking about it .. and he traded it in in for a New Volvo 460 CVT (saloon ) ..which I later inherited and loved it .
Great review, my dad had an Alfa 164 same era as this, different car I know but many of your comments ring true to me. A friends dad had an early XM and I lived close to a Citroen dealer, great cars and agree the series 1s are so much more Citroen
My parents actually had one of these, it was the most comfortable car they ever owned.
The rear footwell is inclined, I just remember that being so comfortable. My old man’s was this spec in metallic navy.
My dad's was Meteor Grey.
Same Parking Brake as my E-class, can't see a problem.
What an unexpected treat! Yay!
Another motor from when Citroëns were exciting!
It really looks good in white! I got a green one v6 24 - 92. Just amazing but it leaks in the servo steering 😅 got parts to fix it though. I also got a black v6 24 - 98.
I had a 2 litre XM for about three years and loved every aspect of it except the parking brake. I never really mastered it and when I replaced it with a C5 having a proper handbrake again it was bliss.
I guess if I had longer with one, maybe it'd annoy me too? But then if you have an auto, how often do you even use the parking brake...?
Hi i had 3 xms
The last one I had was a series 1 .5 1993 model with the headlight switch on the windscreen stalk
Those look like spaceships to me when I was a kid. As any respectable Citroën would in those days.
They also came with a nice blauplunkt stereo from new
During my time as a mechanic I once worked on an XM. Also a white one.
Yeup had an XM estate before the C5 before the C6. White and l called it the white wale (mobi) ❤️
My favourite, sold a mark 1BX to buy a 1990 2.0Si (H644BBP) - the only car that you could guarantee my entire family would be asleep before we hit the M4!
Absolutely agree with your remarks on the series 1 versus series 2. I was looking for a series 1 XM, but ended up getting a very early Xantia. Everyone tells me the Xantia is the better choice in reliability, but seeing this brings an itch on.
The Xantia is a more sensible option (though mechanically they aren't miles apart), but the XM feels more special.
@@UPnDOWN True, mine has Hydractive 2 and the 2 litre 8 valve engine, so it's very much like a series 2 XM. It's a VSX from the first month's of production, that makes it somewhat more special but a XM is special regardless of spec and production date.
An early VSX is a lovely thing!
@@UPnDOWN It sure is! It may have looked like I was bemoaning the fact I have a Xantia instead of a XM, but at the moment I wouldn't part with my Xantia for the world.
Loving the fuel gauge showing 17 gallons is full 😲
our last car was XM, nice yet small engine, had CX before, now that was a limo, the seats, pluche ...
They definitely sold the carburettor 2.0 XM in the UK my mate Tim had one, My dad had a K reg almost identical to your dad's, it was totally reliable (probably because it was cared for by Tony Bibby at Slaters), I am older than you and never travelled in it, ( my memories are of travelling in the back near side of a CX. My brother in law had a 3.0 24v, that was a beast but they were all fantastic cars.
You're probably right. Now I think about it, I think I saw it in the first brochures. Not very long-lived, though. My dad's was a G-reg.
Why? there's no more Xantia or XM anymore awesome cars
Never stick your head out the window if reversing if say the mirror is frosted up , because if you turn back round quick you will smack your head on the qaurter window . I used to park these cars up in a yard when they came from france then pick them for the transporter loaders. I really loved them though, ps all new citreon and peugeot cars were thrashed around the yard before delivery to showroom!!!
I much prefer the look of these 1st series XMs over the later ones with the black/dark grey mirrors and the trim strip that ran below the windscreen with matched the kick-up on the rear doors - later ones lost that definition with colour keyed mirrors and the trim strip. Likewise with the original angular dashboard (similar in part to the Mercedes SL of the time - see the June 1989 Car magazine which featured both the XM and Merc) which was very much of the period but looked more like a Mk3 Golf dashboard on the later ones. There was a period when the single spoke steering wheel was replaced with a two spoke one that I didn't like at all (then the four spoke one with airbag after that). The rear spoiler on the early ones looked more imposing than the later ones that lay flat and lifted at (I think) around 40mph.
I had a dark blue metallic G reg V6 Si which constantly had hydraulic leaks, both low and high pressure sides and the V6 engine sounded like a typewriter. At one point it was only running on three cylinders. A Chevette went into the back of it on Worthing seafront which tore the rear bumper off and the insurance company wrote it off because of that when chances are it could've relatively easily been fixed at a reasonable cost. There were at least two Citroen specialists in Worthing but I used a Citroen specialist in Chichester who was also a family friend. I replaced the V6 Si with a metallic gold G reg 2.0 SEi automatic (leather seats, air con, etc.) which kept slipping when it tried to go to 3rd, then had a replacement gearbox and that too didn't last, then I finally had it converted to manual, used it for a few months after that and part exchanged it for a Volvo 940 estate as for me, it destroyed my faith in the last of the line of the proper big Citroens. I still haven't driven a C6 to see what they're like.
If anything, I was massively disappointed with the XM having come from a D reg CX 25 GTi Turbo2 which was a beauty of a car, only that got written off by a Peugeot 106 of all things which ploughed into the driver's front wing when I was pulling out of a junction with poor visibility the morning I was taking it in for its MoT on the 1st of October 1996. Gutted. The CX was a joy to park, whereas I felt the XMs weren't as good in that respect. While the XMs being hatchbacks were far more practical, I found the feel of them far more firm and if anything, more 'German' compared to the CX with the firmer ride and firmer seats. On the plus side, the XMs had massively improved ventilation compared to the CX which was about as powerful as the breath from a yawning cat.
The odd thing with the air con on the SEi spec was the air con light was on when the air con was off. Hill starting in a manual was indeed fun as you had to choreograph things perfectly - come to a stop with both foot on the brake and clutch in, put it in neutral, release the clutch, set the parking brake, foot off the brake, clutch down, into 1st, revs up, clutch up to biting point, release parking brake and you're away. What a faff.
100% agree.
@@UPnDOWN Were these one of, if not the first production cars to feature pull-out type external door handles (which have since become the industry standard)?
My father had one of these, he loved it, but spent a fortune on the electrics which were never really sorted.
I recall the warning lights would behave a bit like a fruit machine, but my father mastered the art of giving the dash a bash in the right place to put them all out - which was fine till the next bump in the road when something would light up. His XM was a manual - I never did figure out how he did hill starts with that foot handbrake - in theory you need three legs.
You pull the handle and the pedal pops up by itself.
@@UPnDOWN OK, so you don't release the pedal slowly and balance on the clutch like you would a hand-hand brake on a hill start
I haven't tried one myself, but I can't imagine it's too tricky? I'll have to try! 😆
Maravilloso ; mi coche preferido de pequeño lástima que no tuviera edad para comprarlo y ahora quedan muy pocos y en mal estado muchos.
Al menos ellos estarían libres de óxido en España!
I have to agree about not wanting wood in a Citroen ..It's like putting a chesterfield in the space station.
Citroen often stuffs up an update with a case in point being the C5 2005 rework.
Having said that the DS 1967 ranks as one of the best auto updates of all time.
Robert Opron did the restyle of the D...nuff said!
Can you do a “parking brake turn” in it?
In reverse you could do a pretty agreeable J-turn.
@@UPnDOWN Good to know!
It’s a Bertone beauty! Very handsome and very stylefull(?). Love them.
I have owned 2 XM's, if I had the money, I'd buy a nice one in a heartbeat to drive around on the weekends.
Hi! I am selling my Citroen XM turbo injection, automatic, 1998 cc, 1997, petrol, dark red, owned since 2011, under 82.500 miles. I have two keys and all service history. It is off the road, parked in my driveway (Greater London).
On the good side : impeccable grey velvet interior. Spheres do not need replacing.
On the attention side : The lacquer has peeled, new tyres needed, new alternator required.
As a quick sale, because I am moving, I ask only £1.600
There might be some truth to the Friday afternoon car thing, you know. Of course they were built by robots, but I'm sure final testing and quality control was still done by humans back then and robots are not infallible. I doubt it was a common thing, if it happened though
XM forever!
"Invest in some parachutes, I can see a pattern emerging"
I remember taking one of these for a test drive in around 1991 - this very model, in fact. For a car with a claimed 120bhp on tap, I wondered where all those horses were as it seemed utterly gutless - and having four pedals on the floor seemed nonsensical, whilst I was driven nuts by the chirping of the hydraulic pump. A pity, because I really wanted to like it - it was a Citroen and I loved the styling. I did consider a V6 SEi, but then I took a test drive in a contemporary BMW 520iSE and I'm saddened to say in nearly every aspect it blew the XM out of the water and so I bought the BMW. Sadly, the XM will join up with the Renault 25 as a car I wish I could have owned.
I've never known anyone to become annoyed by the regulator ticking occasionally! I've never driven an E34, but have driven E39s and I suspect to most people they'd prefer the BMW. I confess I didn't realise how good XMs were until I drove this one, all these years later.
@@UPnDOWN This one must have been faulty then because it was going off a LOT. I too thought it should be only occasional, but it certainly wasn't in that car.
Should be every 30-40secs, ideally.
Nice car 🚗🚙🚘👍👍👍👍👍
Professor UpnDown (glasses )
Driving glasses, yeah!
@@UPnDOWN driving gloves like Alan Partridge next?
Doesn't the hatch back with the extra window, turn it back into a boot. Asking for a friend.
If think it's still a boot, regardless! You can remove it, though.
i like series 2 xantia the most. its just more beautiful and refined than the series 1. and just overall more beautiful, lighter, simpler than the xm..
Oooh, no I don't agree.
Nice dashboard! I was very disappointed when I sat in a Xantia. It was very dark and dismal and the dashboard was pretty bland. I'm guessing as a "Repmobile" segment car, they didn't want to scare too many off, by being too "Citroen"?
Pretty much. Every time they produced something the enthusiasts would like, the general public would be more turned off, hence the s2 XM had a much more 'Xantia-ish' layout. It's a shame, the s1 is a lovely place to be.
I would kill for V6 Break manual XM.
Hello! I am selling my Citroen XM turbo injection, automatic, 1998 cc, 1997, petrol, dark red, owned since 2011, under 82.500 miles. I have two keys and all service history. It is off the road, parked in my driveway (Greater London).
On the good side : impeccable grey velvet interior. Spheres were replaced under 1000 miles ago.
On the requirement side : The lacquer has peeled, tyres need to be replaced, and a new alternator is required.
I think that is all that is required for it to be running beautifully again.
have you still got it
@@dylan3657 Yes I do, It is still on sale. In a few days, if not sold, I will have to get it scrapped. Pity because it is beautiful and running, but I have moved out of UK and that's the end of the story.
@@dylan3657 Yes I still have it and, it is still on sale.
much you asking
@@cinephile9237
@@dylan3657 I still have it until tomorrow, when it is going to the scrapyard ONLY because the place where it is parked is needed. Such a beautiful car in such a beautiful condition, a real pity imo ! What a waste !
I really prefer the look of the XM on the outside and inside, but would say the CX looks prettier in person - quite sure they just don't photograph as easily.
Probably a stupid question; has anyone simplified/deactivated the electronics from XM suspension to bring it closer to BX simplicity?
- asking as aging electronics on stuff like that scare the shite out of me.
They are just like the other ones. Just blink and suddenly you have a lot of them. I hate when that happens.
I love Citroen , I have an Ami 8 . It’s a shame the quality is so patchy , some parts of the car are fantastic and some parts are cheap crap .
As much as I admire all Citroens ..the early Ami 6's bonnet front would give me a migraine.🙂
Merci !
Thank you Baron, that's very kind!
Its my daily driver and it doesent feel like a 30 year old car whatsover (-:
somerset reg when new!
European YACHT!
Bloody glorious
Monsieur thinks le Citroen XM est desirable...
Misdemeanour, misnomer...whatever
Wondered if I'd said the right thing when I was editing it!
@@UPnDOWN Would be great if you could add a single malapropism to every video, keeping a straight face whilst you do it of course.
What's with the Ukrainian flag in the bottom left corner? Do you have any idea what it stands for? Do you even know where Ukraine is? Why can't you just do a video on a car? Really...
What's with the judgmental comment in the chat, here? Do you have any idea what I know? Do you even think I'd care? Why can't you just accept that different people have different thoughts? Really...
@@UPnDOWN You lousy prick, where was your Iraqi flag in 2003? Stupid idiot.
It's a MAJOR invasion by a MAJOR country of a significant neighboring country, the largest invasion in Europe since WW2. I say let your viewers know it's on your mind without belaboring the point.
@@jwsoaresjones1560 Ukraine is also the first and only openly pro-Nazi "country" in the world since WW2. Watching a car video need not involve having (pro-Nazi) politics shoved down your throat.
@paulparoma - Are you Russian, by chance?