Let’s stop with this and call it out for what it is: the Chicago White Sox operate as a AAAA team and are a farm team for the 8 or so legitimate MLB teams that are trying to win. And if you choose spend money to support this AAAA organization that’s on you.
I see another 110-plus loss season coming (if not several). This is a circle of life scenario for the Sox -- poor player selection, no overall plan, subpar development, no consistency of management, then have a fire sale of your stars for the glimmering hope of the future. Rinse, repeat. How can this completely fall apart in five years? Not hard, really...just do this over and over.
The White Sox didn't HAVE TO send away Garrett Crochet. They've made a bizarre organizational decision that no player is ever a foundational player in their rebuild. Look, every team at one time or another makes the decision to be a "seller" and rebuild the farm system. Only the White Sox, though, have decided that what they need to do is trade away EVERYBODY who has ANY VALUE and field a team only consisting of players with NO VALUE. That's how you get to 121 losses. And that total was with Garrett Crochet on the team. It feels like they're shooting for 122 losses in 2025.
I swear! There was NO REASON AT ALL to trade Crochet! A stud pitcher at 25 to build around for years to come. You’ll NEVER make any traction towards being competitive if you constantly trade quality players away for hopes of others being good. And especially now that the MLB Draft is a lottery where having the worst record doesn’t guarantee you the top pick anymore, tanking intentionally is basically irrelevant now.
The White Sox are a minor league organization whose purpose is to develop players for other teams, and they're pretty good at it. The suckers are the season ticket holders paying top dollar for a minor league experience.
@@joeraguso5376 They didn’t get squat. Teel was Boston’s 4th Best rated blue chip, Montgomery below that. The others are middling prospects. Not ONE serviceable needed-right-now player. Just a handful of maybe’s. Chicago eclipses 41 wins next year, it’ll be because opponents took a step back.
@GizmoBeach Teel is a top 25 prospect in the game that just put up a full season .819 OPS between AA and AAA at 22 years old. Montgomery is a borderline top 50 prospect who would've been a top 3 draft pick in last years draft if he didn't break his ankle at the end of his college season. Both can draw walks and field multiple positions at a high level in their early 20s. That's a huge return. Meidroth will be the starting second baseman next season. He's a contact hitter that draws a ton of walks, so his floor is high. Gonzalez is a 22 year old pitcher with the stuff. He'll be in the bullpen in a couple years. 4 major league contributors, 2 with high end ceilings, for a pitcher with less than 200 IP in the majors that's about to sign a monster deal is an awesome return. You need to recalibrate your expectations.
The thing about playing a hurt Luis Robert is he's always hurt so playing hurt is the only way he *can* play. Likewise Moncada without playing. And don't forget Eloy, the three of them combined missing more games on the DL than most players play while healthy.
I don’t think the Wsox are as far away as you might think. Rapid turnarounds have happened in today’s game. The 1970 Wsox were 56-106, were 79-83 the next year, another year later they had a winning season. Though back then this was uncommon.
@@MrZinjanthropuslosing 130 games is never going to happen. The infamous Cleveland Spiders record won’t be broken anytime soon. 2024 was a year that everything went wrong for the Wsox. A historically bad season doesn’t exist without bad luck.
@@aidenawe9359 Bad teams have bad luck. The sox have not improved since last this year. There is no reason why the sox should win more than 25-45 games next year. JR should sell the team.
@@MrZinjanthropusthey haven’t improved on paper, but it’s highly unlikely any future White Sox team will ever be this bad moving forward so positive regression will likely happen. I agree JR should sell, but he said, “no sale while I’m alive”.
These guys are hacks. Getz is filling the minors with really young power hitters that draw walks. It is a different approach than what they did before. Getz is clearly looking for something different than what Kenny was doing before.
Yes, 21st century scouting and developing players who can walk is a good thing, but with Reinsdorf still lording over operations there's no hope for a true contender. Even if some of these prospects develop you still need to compliment them with real talent, but like old Wirtz circa 1999 they won't pay for them.
@MS-ht9it That could be possible, but the thing us Kenny was the one in charge of scouting and developing players his entire time here. And there was nothing he did that resembles 21st century anything. The other thing about developing players that nobody tells you about is that having players with the correct skill-set helps out a lot with development. I understand ownership is cheap on free agents and plays favorites with front office personnel, but Chris Getz is clearly trying to build a different team than Hahn (Kenny) was trying to build.
Chicago the problem? The Cubs draw fans. Jerry doesn't want to win. He wants the tax payers to build another stadium for him. He could care less about winning.
I'm happy the Red Sox got Crochet, but I think they payed a lot. Chicago got some really great prospects that should make a difference in a relatively short time. Teal and Braden alone will be players to build a team around
@RodneyLambert-xi7vl Chicago was shopping Crochet since the all star break. Obviously it's more than they were offered by any other team. Most everybody else is reporting this is a good trade for both teams.
I guess you guys haven’t heard of Noah Schultz and Hagen Smith. We have two of the best lefties in the minors. This trade will rebuild the White Sox very quickly. Great trade for Getz
If things weren't as bleak as they are on the everyday player front in both the majors and minors, they don't deal Crochet. The picture in the minors will look better after the trades of Crochet, Cease, Pham/Fedde, and Banks, but you don't want brag about losing a few pounds after your foot was amputated.
@ I know you bitter being a Chicago fan but don’t let the hate ruin your life. To write something like that shows a miserable depressed person. You’re better then that
Holmes here is such a doofus. While I agree a lot of times w his criticism of the Sox in the past. His takes lately are just annoying and lazy. No Lawrence with your feeble brain: Montgomery is not destined to fail like Moncada because they are 5 tool left handed batters.
I’m tired of Chicago sports I swear
It’s inane radio top to bottom
Lol you get titles. None of my teams have won since 94.
@@wa2k99 What teams?
Breaking News: White Sox forfeiting 2025 season, closing the stadium.
O/U is 52
Jerry forfeited the 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030-2070 seasons. Sell the team or move the team to Nashville. Good riddance!
Let’s stop with this and call it out for what it is: the Chicago White Sox operate as a AAAA team and are a farm team for the 8 or so legitimate MLB teams that are trying to win.
And if you choose spend money to support this AAAA organization that’s on you.
A good college team can beat the Sox.
Worst Organization in MLB
...History
Yes they are
I see another 110-plus loss season coming (if not several). This is a circle of life scenario for the Sox -- poor player selection, no overall plan, subpar development, no consistency of management, then have a fire sale of your stars for the glimmering hope of the future. Rinse, repeat. How can this completely fall apart in five years? Not hard, really...just do this over and over.
Without Crochet they may even be worse than last year.
Moncada would have been a super star if he hadn’t come down with Covid, possibly long term. The problem is the White Sox fail at developing prospects.
Moncada was a busy. Plain and simple
LOL ok
The White Sox didn't HAVE TO send away Garrett Crochet. They've made a bizarre organizational decision that no player is ever a foundational player in their rebuild. Look, every team at one time or another makes the decision to be a "seller" and rebuild the farm system. Only the White Sox, though, have decided that what they need to do is trade away EVERYBODY who has ANY VALUE and field a team only consisting of players with NO VALUE. That's how you get to 121 losses. And that total was with Garrett Crochet on the team. It feels like they're shooting for 122 losses in 2025.
I swear! There was NO REASON AT ALL to trade Crochet! A stud pitcher at 25 to build around for years to come. You’ll NEVER make any traction towards being competitive if you constantly trade quality players away for hopes of others being good. And especially now that the MLB Draft is a lottery where having the worst record doesn’t guarantee you the top pick anymore, tanking intentionally is basically irrelevant now.
As a sox fan I can't wait to see him pitch 😂thanks
Nothing bizarre from Jerry. He doesn't want to win. Never has, never will. One WS championship in 45 years of ownership. S
The White Sox are a minor league organization whose purpose is to develop players for other teams, and they're pretty good at it. The suckers are the season ticket holders paying top dollar for a minor league experience.
1st round picks Crochet and Burger 🍔traded, and Sox got WHAT in return ??
They actually just got a great return for Crochet here. Don't listen to these hacks.
@@joeraguso5376
They didn’t get squat. Teel was Boston’s 4th Best rated blue chip, Montgomery below that. The others are middling prospects.
Not ONE serviceable needed-right-now player. Just a handful of maybe’s. Chicago eclipses 41 wins next year, it’ll be because opponents took a step back.
@GizmoBeach Teel is a top 25 prospect in the game that just put up a full season .819 OPS between AA and AAA at 22 years old. Montgomery is a borderline top 50 prospect who would've been a top 3 draft pick in last years draft if he didn't break his ankle at the end of his college season. Both can draw walks and field multiple positions at a high level in their early 20s. That's a huge return. Meidroth will be the starting second baseman next season. He's a contact hitter that draws a ton of walks, so his floor is high. Gonzalez is a 22 year old pitcher with the stuff. He'll be in the bullpen in a couple years.
4 major league contributors, 2 with high end ceilings, for a pitcher with less than 200 IP in the majors that's about to sign a monster deal is an awesome return. You need to recalibrate your expectations.
@GizmoBeach And this ain't about next year dude. Getz is gutting Kenny's garbage. It's gonna take a few years.
@@joeraguso5376 Sox O/U for 2025, 52..yeah it was a great return. Getz is a genius.
The thing about playing a hurt Luis Robert is he's always hurt so playing hurt is the only way he *can* play.
Likewise Moncada without playing.
And don't forget Eloy, the three of them combined missing more games on the DL than most players play while healthy.
Since you trade one of the top LH starters in MLB, BECAUSE THE CHEAP SOB WONT PAY, Im done being a Whitesox fan after 60 years!!!
Sure…but they’ve long since crossed that threshold of unmitigated failure…..paying Crochet would be idiotic at this point quite frankly
Great show guys. I think it’s a great trade for both teams
Chris Sale trade part duex, yes we don’t care.
You’re doing great, Jerry! Keep it going. 😂
Chris Sale, Jose Abreu, and coming soon, Luis Robert. Were amazing wasted primes the White Sox have pulled.
FLEECED AGAIN !!!
Darn those Red Sox , seen the Sox coming again .
Sell the Team Jerry. Maybe 40 wins next year
Maybe 30 wins
I don’t think the Wsox are as far away as you might think. Rapid turnarounds have happened in today’s game. The 1970 Wsox were 56-106, were 79-83 the next year, another year later they had a winning season. Though back then this was uncommon.
The Sox got worse on the field so far. The Sox can possibly lose 130 games in 2025.
@@MrZinjanthropuslosing 130 games is never going to happen. The infamous Cleveland Spiders record won’t be broken anytime soon. 2024 was a year that everything went wrong for the Wsox. A historically bad season doesn’t exist without bad luck.
@@aidenawe9359 Bad teams have bad luck. The sox have not improved since last this year. There is no reason why the sox should win more than 25-45 games next year. JR should sell the team.
@@MrZinjanthropusthey haven’t improved on paper, but it’s highly unlikely any future White Sox team will ever be this bad moving forward so positive regression will likely happen. I agree JR should sell, but he said, “no sale while I’m alive”.
@@aidenawe9359 Why should any future white sox team be better? The team will be worse next year.
These guys are hacks. Getz is filling the minors with really young power hitters that draw walks. It is a different approach than what they did before. Getz is clearly looking for something different than what Kenny was doing before.
Yes, 21st century scouting and developing players who can walk is a good thing, but with Reinsdorf still lording over operations there's no hope for a true contender. Even if some of these prospects develop you still need to compliment them with real talent, but like old Wirtz circa 1999 they won't pay for them.
@MS-ht9it That could be possible, but the thing us Kenny was the one in charge of scouting and developing players his entire time here. And there was nothing he did that resembles 21st century anything. The other thing about developing players that nobody tells you about is that having players with the correct skill-set helps out a lot with development.
I understand ownership is cheap on free agents and plays favorites with front office personnel, but Chris Getz is clearly trying to build a different team than Hahn (Kenny) was trying to build.
Your absolutely correct, just because your judged as an internal hire DOES NOT mean you have the same idea or mindset as your predecessor.
Getz was in charge of player development
@RodneyLambert-xi7vl Yeah, just like Hahn was the GM... It was Kenny's show
Maybe Chicago itself is a big part of the problem. Has that ever occurred to you guys?
Chicago the problem? The Cubs draw fans. Jerry doesn't want to win. He wants the tax payers to build another stadium for him. He could care less about winning.
I'm happy the Red Sox got Crochet, but I think they payed a lot. Chicago got some really great prospects that should make a difference in a relatively short time. Teal and Braden alone will be players to build a team around
Prospects are suspects until proven
@RodneyLambert-xi7vl Chicago was shopping Crochet since the all star break. Obviously it's more than they were offered by any other team. Most everybody else is reporting this is a good trade for both teams.
Prospects for a proven left handed pitcher. They paid very little for Crochett.
@MrZinjanthropus more than anybody else was willing to pay I guess since he was available since last year's all star break
Meh,😮💨 Who Cares?! The White Sox are trash 🗑️ and will be trash 🗑️ next season
White Sox gonna White Sox.
The Chicago White Sox is, the Boston Red Sox minor league team 😂
We can develop ace pitchers
Facts, Crochet, Sale, Quintana, Buehrle to name a few
@@aidenawe9359 They traded all of them
I guess you guys haven’t heard of Noah Schultz and Hagen Smith. We have two of the best lefties in the minors. This trade will rebuild the White Sox very quickly. Great trade for Getz
If things weren't as bleak as they are on the everyday player front in both the majors and minors, they don't deal Crochet. The picture in the minors will look better after the trades of Crochet, Cease, Pham/Fedde, and Banks, but you don't want brag about losing a few pounds after your foot was amputated.
Can't wait to see what they trade those guys for in 4 years 🙄
@ I know you bitter being a Chicago fan but don’t let the hate ruin your life. To write something like that shows a miserable depressed person. You’re better then that
now thats funny
Still hyping failed prospects
Holmes here is such a doofus. While I agree a lot of times w his criticism of the Sox in the past.
His takes lately are just annoying and lazy. No Lawrence with your feeble brain: Montgomery is not destined to fail like Moncada because they are 5 tool left handed batters.
The White Sox fleeced Boston. Copium
Nah guy