Caleb Williams is on dud watch, Julian because of the hype around him. If he was hyped like the typical rookie, then no, dud watch is silly. But because Nick Wright hyped up Caleb Williams to a basically cartoonish level, we at least have to be alert on the kid
re-read your statement, you are LITERALLY moving the goal post when it comes to caleb just to fit your narrative... Caleb is on the Dud Watch if he plays like this after like 6-8 weeks🤦♂
@@CEOTonez exactly! Even 1 year behind a veteran to figure stuff out. Everyone is to impatient and expectations are so unrealistic. He has the talent and mindset to be great, it just make take a couple years to fully see it. Payton manning and Josh Allen didn’t look great year one, so there is still hope!
@milanradovich1😂 he’s like 6’1 215? He’s not Brice young or even Drew Brees. Size snd arm strength isn’t the issue. He’s got a very strong arm. He’s talented enough.
Caleb Willliams always had a great chance to be a dud because even in college vs top 25 defenses he struggled and had as many interceptions as touchdowns. He’s the next Trevor Lawrence for Nick Wright who had him also laughably ahead of QBs like Lamar on his QB tier as early as last season and as recent as this one. In fact Nick has been wrong on so many QB evaluations his saving grace is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
I don't think he'll be as good as Trevor Lawrence who rn is underwhelming. This might be heading towards Bryce Young. But Bryce Young had no chance. No talent around him.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 Yeah should have made that distinction that Trevor Lawrence is at least an average QB even though that’s a disappointment with his hype. Caleb may not even be a viable starter and on Zach Wilson level
@@truthbearer7891Wilson is actually a really good comparison. Both relied on their natural ability in college without necessarily learning all the nuances of playing QB. It's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if Williams ends up being a journeyman like Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker but Baker showed stuff early.You don't get as much time in today's NFL with contracts going crazy. I'm not as forgiving on some of these QBs like media and certain content creators. Williams has been awful even in preseason he completed like only 49 percent of his passes. If he's awful again against a bad colts defense.. definitely something to keep an eye on. Great QBs enhance their o-line and he has all the weapons he needs.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 The one source of optimism is that Josh Allen was super talented and struggled early. But Josh didn’t have the pre draft hype and expectations of Caleb which add that much more pressure and scrutiny as an added hurdle to overcome. I’m not rooting for Caleb to fail and it’s still only 2 games but at this point I’d be much more surprised if he turns it around
@@truthbearer7891 True true. The Bills were perennially bad though. The Bears have a top defense and weapons.I hope he ends up balling he was fun to watch in college. I'm just not overly optimistic. He did struggle against the top 25 defenses he played.
Buffalo was a terrible team and there were no expectations for Josh Allen coming out of Wyoming. The media hyped Caleb up to be the next Mahomes and immediately take this talented Bears team to the playoffs.
@@matthewlewis5198 he was still awful. By his second year he was much better. It takes time for these guys to adjust. I think it’s an overreaction for it to be 2 games into the season.
@@jacobcarter5712 my point is he didn’t have any expectations and was on a bad team so of course he got more grace. But because CW was hyperbolically hyped of course people are going to hyperbolically overreact to him playing historically bad. And if he plays bad again it will get even worse
He had flashes. He always had the physical athleticism, but it took awhile for him to figure out what he could/couldn't do. In mountain conference, he didn't really have much to play against.
The only caveat here with Caleb is that unlike Malik Willis, Caleb has Shane Waldren vs. Matt LaFleur, so this could be a closer game than people think...
Yeah that’s what I was trying to say. But I think the other big variable is AR. He’s so great in moments or terrible. So you just don’t know what version you will get.
I love watching you smile and laugh at this show. No diddy, lmao but it shows that first things first is the best of these sports talking heads shows bc they are entertaining even if they can be so wrong sometimes.
bingo. now they're going to trade bagent next year for peanuts and he probably becomes the next Brady somewhere, while we watch Caleb suck it up and wait and hope for him to turn into a poor man's Rodgers
Bagent > Caleb. Its a joke he isn't starting. Even if you think Caleb has more potential, you could sit him to learn for a year and see exactly how good Bagent is this year. The route they're going now theyre gonna have to trade Bagent for peanuts next year without even knowing exactly how good he is.
You don’t sit a #1 picked QB. That will backfire on other things. You can sit a first round QB behind a proven QB, not a second year not proven QB(he only played 4-5 games, and the records were average) . You could sit a non-first round pick QB much easier without much magnification. People always say you are professionals, you should do what best for the team. Best for the team of what? A year? A month? A game? Starting him on top of Bagent is the best for the Bears long term, even if is not the best decision to win the next game! Let’s not be using a so micro view on a long term project. The analysts saying that only from a different scenario! I never see a #1 pick QB did not start! If Andy Reid picked Mahomes with a #1 pick, he will dare not to sit him on the bench! Each situation is different, and had different impact on players, especially psychologically. Rogers sit behind Favre, its natural, it’s very make sense. But not with a #1 pick!
@@sni6941 you can do whatever you want, and do whatever is optimal. your points are just expanding on why its such a joke. the only reasons caleb HAS to start is all politics, optics, and fear. And draft status means literally nothing, you have no idea whether Caleb will be better in the long run or not, imo Bagent is better now and probably even has more potential also. Theres tons and tons of physical freak rocket arm highly draft QBs who never become elite. I'm taking my chances with the genius mental freak who has literally all the intangibles Brady did, and literal only weakness is a rocket deep ball (which throwing deep in the NFL is basically dead in this era anyway), or at the very least give him a shot to show what he has this year before i trade him away next year before even giving him a chance, and regretting it.
It’s only 2 games!!!!!!! Only 2 games !!!!!!! Do you see anything that he can’t improve on characteristic wise, fundamental wise, are hard to correct or change or improve ??? I see none! Justin fundamentally has flaws in decision making and passing as a passer, that’s why he could not improve a lot on his passing. I see Caleb is a passer QB, not a running QB like Lamar, Justin, Jaden … that’s why I see him a super star if he stays healthy under his OL.
who cares? if those drops didnt happen it would still only be literally the only two TD drives he led in two whole games lol. TD pass stat dont really mean anything, not like if it was 2-2 on the statsheet right now that it means that he played better.
malik willis is 4 yrs on nfl green bay don’t develop their qb like any teams, jordan love learned under aaron rogers for three years…caleb just played the actual nfl games twice we expected to much for a rookie…manage the expectations….
It’s too soon to make any judgment on him to me. He has to adjust to the speed of the game and when he does that he will be a better quarterback but all this great crap needs to stop
The thing i dont like about the bears was all the free agent signings over the last two years mixed with getting a rookie qb and a bad culture in Chicago, its not a good mix because theres no force of stability and two rosters in the division that are better and have more stable cultures
@TB17- it's hard to overcome decades of mediocrity. Same in Detroit. All it takes is a few bad games in a row and all the work flus has done to change the culture can be undone.
Run the ball like we did every first down and got no gain? A lot easier said than done. OL and play calling n was atrocious. Should be better this week against a weaker DL and hopefully OL is better w Davis not starting
Caleb Williams was sacked 7 times by the Texans, Richardson 2 times. Facts are in order to run or pass you need a o-line he does not have one period that will cost them this game. Expect Caleb to meet the ground vs Latu who when in UCLA also sacked him, expect Dayo to sack him, Grover over your center to get a sack, since people keep sleeping on big Grove, plus he have to avoid a injured Kwity, Tyquan Lewis and others. As for swift or Caleb running they can try but there OLinemen better get the blocks and hold them if not it will be a long day we sacked CJ 4 times they have a decent oline in Houston so does GB this is a feeding game. Unless all the sudden your oline can block and sustain the blocks expect a long day. As for Richardson expect to see him at a higher level this week. Your defence is good but clearly it can be beaten Tennessee had you reeling and Houston luckily for them over came it.. Avery and Land are also no slouches so good luck see you Sunday..
He only moves backwards because the center keeps getting blown off the snap. Besides I would want him to test the waters to learn what he can and can't do in favor of just not throwing certain passes because the public thinks those passes don't work in hindsight.
If the dont win this game it could be a very very rough start and even a rough season. I mean teams can go on 7 - 8 win game streak but, its going to be a tough start to the season
Yeah I totally agree. To not win this game, the same team that the packers were able to beat with Malik Willis would not be good. The only way you can justify it to me is if AR goes off.
@@JWLSports yea agreed. I’m taking the Bears in this one. Can for see Walrdroun abandoning the run early if they cannot get that going. The Packers ran it down the Colts throat but, the Packers actually have an OL. Look to see the Colts having 5 down, 1 high/MFC even some soft press on the outside and sending extra guys and some sim pressures to force Caleb into longer 2nd and 3rd downs. If I’m Waldroun I’d be using a lot of 12 and 13 personnel, some load flow swings to the backs, get even into some naked boots and traditional PA, love to see Caleb in some more UTC
So it’s interesting, you think Shane Waldron is a good OC? I questioned it before the season and everyone jumped on me saying look at Geno. But now Geno is still played really really well and Shane is not there. Curious what the actual impact of Shane on Geno was.
@@JWLSports Yea I still think he good. Caleb is still a rookie and playing with a very bad OL and makes some very common mistakes. Geno is a multi year vet and a starting NFL QB, he knows what hes doing out there. Week 1 Caleb should have had 2 first half TDs that were not on him at all. Allen drops one and then the C gets blown up and the Caleb misses the throw early. Last week they play a very good Texans team, whom many have going to the SB, not an easy task and they had them to within a drive. I'll still stand by my pre season prediction that Celeb wont throw for over 4k yrds and it will be something around 2800-3000 and 22 - 25 TDS and can still make th eplayoffs or be a game out of the wildcard. So there is a lot of a lot of time to get things gelled and them playing as a unit.
1. They can still make the playoffs. 2. Only Nick Wright said Super Bowl 3. Most people like Colin, Brou, Greg, Mangini, Louis Riddick, Ryan Clark, and Dan Orlovsky all said they were missing the playoffs.
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Everyone should give caleb a pass except for Nick because Nick said he was the 4th or 5th best NFL Qb while he was still in college
As of right now. I gotta see it to believe it. I mean we seen rookies in the past look at least decent. Caleb idk yet
Caleb Williams is on dud watch, Julian because of the hype around him. If he was hyped like the typical rookie, then no, dud watch is silly. But because Nick Wright hyped up Caleb Williams to a basically cartoonish level, we at least have to be alert on the kid
After 2 games dude? 🤣🤦🏼♂️
@@lukewrzask7502what if they lose to the colts. One of the worst defenses? And he plays poorly again
@@HockeyDudeJames2as long as we win which we will, his numbers don't matter right now, next 3 games don't get any easier
re-read your statement, you are LITERALLY moving the goal post when it comes to caleb just to fit your narrative... Caleb is on the Dud Watch if he plays like this after like 6-8 weeks🤦♂
@@CEOTonezI mean they kinda do. They got the super injured rams, the panthers, and the jags. Lol
He’s literally 3 games into his career. People are so ridiculous now with expectations and patience. Give him a couple seasons to see how progresses.
I remember we used to give Qb's 3 yrs to develop, Caleb is extremely gifted and will dominate soon
@@CEOTonez exactly! Even 1 year behind a veteran to figure stuff out. Everyone is to impatient and expectations are so unrealistic. He has the talent and mindset to be great, it just make take a couple years to fully see it. Payton manning and Josh Allen didn’t look great year one, so there is still hope!
Bro yall was crowning him in preseason that's why. The 180 is insane lol
@milanradovich1😂 he’s like 6’1 215? He’s not Brice young or even Drew Brees. Size snd arm strength isn’t the issue. He’s got a very strong arm. He’s talented enough.
@milanradovich1he definitely has a strong arm. Are you joking. His hands are huge. He is a little over 6’1”. Just stop. He has only played 2 games.
Caleb Willliams always had a great chance to be a dud because even in college vs top 25 defenses he struggled and had as many interceptions as touchdowns. He’s the next Trevor Lawrence for Nick Wright who had him also laughably ahead of QBs like Lamar on his QB tier as early as last season and as recent as this one. In fact Nick has been wrong on so many QB evaluations his saving grace is Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
I don't think he'll be as good as Trevor Lawrence who rn is underwhelming. This might be heading towards Bryce Young. But Bryce Young had no chance. No talent around him.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 Yeah should have made that distinction that Trevor Lawrence is at least an average QB even though that’s a disappointment with his hype. Caleb may not even be a viable starter and on Zach Wilson level
@@truthbearer7891Wilson is actually a really good comparison. Both relied on their natural ability in college without necessarily learning all the nuances of playing QB. It's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if Williams ends up being a journeyman like Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker but Baker showed stuff early.You don't get as much time in today's NFL with contracts going crazy. I'm not as forgiving on some of these QBs like media and certain content creators. Williams has been awful even in preseason he completed like only 49 percent of his passes. If he's awful again against a bad colts defense.. definitely something to keep an eye on. Great QBs enhance their o-line and he has all the weapons he needs.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 The one source of optimism is that Josh Allen was super talented and struggled early. But Josh didn’t have the pre draft hype and expectations of Caleb which add that much more pressure and scrutiny as an added hurdle to overcome. I’m not rooting for Caleb to fail and it’s still only 2 games but at this point I’d be much more surprised if he turns it around
@@truthbearer7891 True true. The Bills were perennially bad though. The Bears have a top defense and weapons.I hope he ends up balling he was fun to watch in college. I'm just not overly optimistic. He did struggle against the top 25 defenses he played.
Josh Allen was “a bust” his first year. Now look at him.
Buffalo was a terrible team and there were no expectations for Josh Allen coming out of Wyoming. The media hyped Caleb up to be the next Mahomes and immediately take this talented Bears team to the playoffs.
@@matthewlewis5198 he was still awful. By his second year he was much better. It takes time for these guys to adjust. I think it’s an overreaction for it to be 2 games into the season.
@@jacobcarter5712 my point is he didn’t have any expectations and was on a bad team so of course he got more grace. But because CW was hyperbolically hyped of course people are going to hyperbolically overreact to him playing historically bad. And if he plays bad again it will get even worse
He had flashes. He always had the physical athleticism, but it took awhile for him to figure out what he could/couldn't do. In mountain conference, he didn't really have much to play against.
The only caveat here with Caleb is that unlike Malik Willis, Caleb has Shane Waldren vs. Matt LaFleur, so this could be a closer game than people think...
Yeah that’s what I was trying to say. But I think the other big variable is AR. He’s so great in moments or terrible. So you just don’t know what version you will get.
Amazing Caleb’s numbers got better when getting more pressure and sacked 3x more. Watch when he doesn’t get pressured all the time. Caleb will be okay
I love watching you smile and laugh at this show. No diddy, lmao but it shows that first things first is the best of these sports talking heads shows bc they are entertaining even if they can be so wrong sometimes.
Colts have no choice but to win
I have Swift in fantasy, i desperately need him to go off this game
Bears shouldve started Bagent and let Caleb sit for a year.
bingo. now they're going to trade bagent next year for peanuts and he probably becomes the next Brady somewhere, while we watch Caleb suck it up and wait and hope for him to turn into a poor man's Rodgers
@@TB17- 😆. I'm gonna be a little more optimistic. Tomorrow, Caleb's gonna be 13-20/213 yds/2 tds/1 int.
Caleb Williams should be red shirting this year
Bagent > Caleb. Its a joke he isn't starting. Even if you think Caleb has more potential, you could sit him to learn for a year and see exactly how good Bagent is this year. The route they're going now theyre gonna have to trade Bagent for peanuts next year without even knowing exactly how good he is.
You don’t sit a #1 picked QB. That will backfire on other things. You can sit a first round QB behind a proven QB, not a second year not proven QB(he only played 4-5 games, and the records were average) . You could sit a non-first round pick QB much easier without much magnification. People always say you are professionals, you should do what best for the team. Best for the team of what? A year? A month? A game? Starting him on top of Bagent is the best for the Bears long term, even if is not the best decision to win the next game! Let’s not be using a so micro view on a long term project. The analysts saying that only from a different scenario! I never see a #1 pick QB did not start! If Andy Reid picked Mahomes with a #1 pick, he will dare not to sit him on the bench! Each situation is different, and had different impact on players, especially psychologically. Rogers sit behind Favre, its natural, it’s very make sense. But not with a #1 pick!
@@sni6941 you can do whatever you want, and do whatever is optimal. your points are just expanding on why its such a joke. the only reasons caleb HAS to start is all politics, optics, and fear. And draft status means literally nothing, you have no idea whether Caleb will be better in the long run or not, imo Bagent is better now and probably even has more potential also. Theres tons and tons of physical freak rocket arm highly draft QBs who never become elite. I'm taking my chances with the genius mental freak who has literally all the intangibles Brady did, and literal only weakness is a rocket deep ball (which throwing deep in the NFL is basically dead in this era anyway), or at the very least give him a shot to show what he has this year before i trade him away next year before even giving him a chance, and regretting it.
I'm keeping track tomorrow, i can pause the game
I wanted Kubiak as OC because of personnel we have, I wasn't a fan of Waldron at all
Can't handle everyone shouting over each other. I'm gone
It actually falls more on Shane Waldron and see what his play calling is like. Run the ball and I see Caleb having a good day
It’s only 2 games!!!!!!! Only 2 games !!!!!!! Do you see anything that he can’t improve on characteristic wise, fundamental wise, are hard to correct or change or improve ??? I see none! Justin fundamentally has flaws in decision making and passing as a passer, that’s why he could not improve a lot on his passing. I see Caleb is a passer QB, not a running QB like Lamar, Justin, Jaden … that’s why I see him a super star if he stays healthy under his OL.
They never talk about recievers dropping td passes, he would be 2-2 right now.
who cares? if those drops didnt happen it would still only be literally the only two TD drives he led in two whole games lol. TD pass stat dont really mean anything, not like if it was 2-2 on the statsheet right now that it means that he played better.
malik willis is 4 yrs on nfl green bay don’t develop their qb like any teams, jordan love learned under aaron rogers for three years…caleb just played the actual nfl games twice we expected to much for a rookie…manage the expectations….
Waldron has been a disappointment so far
thats an understatement
It’s too soon to make any judgment on him to me. He has to adjust to the speed of the game and when he does that he will be a better quarterback but all this great crap needs to stop
I think AR or penix jr got more of a chance being the next mahomes than Caleb
The thing i dont like about the bears was all the free agent signings over the last two years mixed with getting a rookie qb and a bad culture in Chicago, its not a good mix because theres no force of stability and two rosters in the division that are better and have more stable cultures
bad culture? lol what. By all accounts Poles and Flus have created one of the best cultures in the league.
@TB17- it's hard to overcome decades of mediocrity. Same in Detroit. All it takes is a few bad games in a row and all the work flus has done to change the culture can be undone.
@@groverrogers6916 they literally lost like 14 games in a row between 2022 and 2023 and the culture was never undone lol.
Run the ball like we did every first down and got no gain? A lot easier said than done. OL and play calling n was atrocious. Should be better this week against a weaker DL and hopefully OL is better w Davis not starting
Caleb Williams was sacked 7 times by the Texans, Richardson 2 times. Facts are in order to run or pass you need a o-line he does not have one period that will cost them this game. Expect Caleb to meet the ground vs Latu who when in UCLA also sacked him, expect Dayo to sack him, Grover over your center to get a sack, since people keep sleeping on big Grove, plus he have to avoid a injured Kwity, Tyquan Lewis and others. As for swift or Caleb running they can try but there OLinemen better get the blocks and hold them if not it will be a long day we sacked CJ 4 times they have a decent oline in Houston so does GB this is a feeding game. Unless all the sudden your oline can block and sustain the blocks expect a long day. As for Richardson expect to see him at a higher level this week. Your defence is good but clearly it can be beaten Tennessee had you reeling and Houston luckily for them over came it.. Avery and Land are also no slouches so good luck see you Sunday..
He only moves backwards because the center keeps getting blown off the snap. Besides I would want him to test the waters to learn what he can and can't do in favor of just not throwing certain passes because the public thinks those passes don't work in hindsight.
That’s not why. Lol
Nick said the bears going to win the division and make sb. CW is Russ 2.0
It’s only been 3 games win or lose give him time
Caleb’s not a dud unless he gets stuck with this sad sack of a franchise
If the dont win this game it could be a very very rough start and even a rough season. I mean teams can go on 7 - 8 win game streak but, its going to be a tough start to the season
Yeah I totally agree. To not win this game, the same team that the packers were able to beat with Malik Willis would not be good. The only way you can justify it to me is if AR goes off.
@@JWLSports yea agreed. I’m taking the Bears in this one. Can for see Walrdroun abandoning the run early if they cannot get that going. The Packers ran it down the Colts throat but, the Packers actually have an OL. Look to see the Colts having 5 down, 1 high/MFC even some soft press on the outside and sending extra guys and some sim pressures to force Caleb into longer 2nd and 3rd downs.
If I’m Waldroun I’d be using a lot of 12 and 13 personnel, some load flow swings to the backs, get even into some naked boots and traditional PA, love to see Caleb in some more UTC
So it’s interesting, you think Shane Waldron is a good OC? I questioned it before the season and everyone jumped on me saying look at Geno. But now Geno is still played really really well and Shane is not there. Curious what the actual impact of Shane on Geno was.
@@JWLSports Yea I still think he good. Caleb is still a rookie and playing with a very bad OL and makes some very common mistakes. Geno is a multi year vet and a starting NFL QB, he knows what hes doing out there.
Week 1 Caleb should have had 2 first half TDs that were not on him at all. Allen drops one and then the C gets blown up and the Caleb misses the throw early. Last week they play a very good Texans team, whom many have going to the SB, not an easy task and they had them to within a drive.
I'll still stand by my pre season prediction that Celeb wont throw for over 4k yrds and it will be something around 2800-3000 and 22 - 25 TDS and can still make th eplayoffs or be a game out of the wildcard. So there is a lot of a lot of time to get things gelled and them playing as a unit.
I guess another point is I wonder how coachable Caleb is. My gut says right now, not very much. Not to say it won’t change in time.
Didn’t Nick pick the bears to get to the super bowl😂
With their defense, if the offense can get to top 15, they could go in an easy NFC. It's only been 2 games😂
bears probably would if Bagent was starting
Don't give me manage expectations when everybody and their mom picked Caleb to make the playoffs and some people the superbowl...
1. They can still make the playoffs.
2. Only Nick Wright said Super Bowl
3. Most people like Colin, Brou, Greg, Mangini, Louis Riddick, Ryan Clark, and Dan Orlovsky all said they were missing the playoffs.
Yeah I think you heard what you wanted to hear 😂
Who cares that O line is basic probably should have took a lineman at 9
You really think you're slick! I can read between the lines
Huh?