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Now they need to do What If Captain America Becomes The Punisher.
Yus
What If Captain America Becomes The Punisher: Everyone's Fucked.
God that would be so fucking badass
Captain America being used to make money and to boost a moral of the country? That's a 4th wall breaking notion bigger than anything Deadpool can every do lol.
What do you mean no one knows why the Punisher kills criminals? That's obvious. The organized crime leader that killed his family was caught, and there was a trial, but he got off scot-free, due to a technicality I think. The justice system failed Frank and his family. So he took matters into his own hand. He kills, because he knows that the system often lets criminals out, or gives them too light a sentence, and innocent people end up being harmed again, like his family. By killing criminals, he prevents them from harming any more innocents. Any writer which portrays Castle like Batman (injures criminals, but doesn't kill) is seriously mischaracterizing him.
Exactly, he is a "what if" of this personal level of distrust we have on the justice system itself. Frank Castle realize that if the Justice system wont condemn those criminal leader then he himself will sacrifice himself and do what is right. Because let us be honest here, Castle is actually Batman that is willing to cross the line for criminal but his nature involve killing for even the less criminal act. So he is still Batman but is more like Thomas Wayne Batman in his ideal instead.
Having read the punisher back in the 90's I vaguely remember the writers saying exactly what your saying in the comics. There was an issue where frank talks about how he watches and checks who's guilty/a criminal and how he targets them. Some of the lower level guys he won't kill because they arn't worth it (petty theft for example) or he uses them for information. He'll let minor crimes go to maintain his cover and also he's not there to baby sit every one. There was that other issue or two where he was doing laundry and I think he had to decide to help or not. It was a long time ago but the punisher for me is one of the best "heros" I've ever read. Judge Dredd and The punisher are up there as some of the best heros. I really don't understand why people like batman.
That’s the old school, 90’s version of Punisher that had that motive. Ever since Garth Ennis made his impact on the character, his motive changed.
Now it’s really just about The Punisher’s addiction for war and killing. That’s why he kills bad guys, saving innocents is secondary. Modern Frank Castle is essentially a sociopathic mass murderer to put it bluntly lmao.
There's a backstory comic with a young Francis Castelleanos as a teen wanting to become a priest, but he has trouble with forgiveness amd gets kicked out of the priesthood. Hence strengthening his belief that forgiveness is worthless and only punishment counts.
@@supremedreams6789 I mean it’s both. Punisher still wants to people but he does enjoy the murder
That was pretty heartwarming. I love this version of Frank Castle. It's probably the best thing that's ever happened to him in any reality.
Even if Captain America got off as a marketing tool, we can see the happiness and satisfaction in his eye when he took the mantle in Steve Roger place. And it was more than heart warming, it was tear warming. This what if story put a final closure to the Punisher constant journey of struggle for true justice of people around him.
@@leonkenedy2988 tear warming lol
Cosmic ghost rider
Spongebob kills the bikini bottom
or Patrick star kills the bikni bottom
ITS THE HASH-SLINGING SLASHER!
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Feel The Punisher doesn't get his due. He is a total hardass!
Wait is hardass a compliment? I've been using it as a insult.
It's like "bad" it could be used either way. I wouldn't want a "hardass" teacher. But being hardass on crime is good...lol
Max Power ah gotcha
Max Power YOU'RE MOST DEFINITELY RIGHT IN THE GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY FROM THE 1990 ' S. , THEY GAVE BACK STORIES OF MARVEL ' S RENDITION OF H . G . WELLS ' S WORLD OF THE WORLDS , PUNISHNER WAS ONE OF THE LAST HEROES STANDING.
It would be extremely cool if the corp just turned rotten and Frank would just come back as Punisher and masacre every single Captain America but this time the society wouldnt crumble as it is no longer dependant on a hero.
Yeah I was expecting the story to take a real turn towards an oppressive, totalitarian government
+aligatorsandwitch72 Me too
+aligatorsandwitch72 question: how does killing/vengeance related to frank castle relate to totalitarianism? punisher's actions is a true representation of what America expects to do to its rivals IN REAL LIFE. The God they've made up does the same thing with his vengeance in the bible. I call it white americanism. other cultures whom you draw in looking for citizenship/monetary reasons stay, get swallowed up in americanism via television violence/media. but hey, if you're not the top dog, you're losing and fighting to be it right? control/brainwash the rest to join your you.
"punisher's actions is a true representation of what America expects to do to its rivals IN REAL LIFE."
Some one needs to study history better. Japan losing WW2 came out much better then they were before WW2. Same with Germany. How did things go on the other side of the Iron Curtain? How do losing countries normally get treated in war?
#ClassicPunisher
The What If the world needs, is "What if Frank Castle became the Spirit of Vengeance".
Castle loses his mind after his family is killed while he is on a tour overseas. He tries to kill himself, and is offered the chance to become the new Ghost Rider. I'd watch / read / pay for that.
Cosmic ghost rider is frank
@@alexramos7708 only issue is that he never got to do anything with that power because of thanos
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If The Punisher became Captain America I would piss my pants.
Punisher becomes a version of captain America during civil war, after Steve Rogers is assassinated, find the books, I feel you will love them
+Gregory Love You don't know anything about him.
cause he would love Hydra
i believe its actually a clone
like with the skrulls
+BigFatCock are you confused?
Well, if you watched this video I guess it's time to change your underoos XD...
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What ifs are some of the best stories and was a great title.
Same with DC's Elseworlds
Agree man, What IFs are some of the best.
I prefer DCs Tangent comics, personally. Or Stan Lee reimagined the DC universe. I kinda liked his take on Aquaman.
+Kenny Brightwell tangent is that the one with the flash as some light powered person.
+Peter LeBlanc (haitileblanc) I think so. They also made the Joker a hero in that series.
What If? comics have always been among my favorites. I would love it if you made more videos on them. Are you taking any suggestions Mr. CE?
More what if stories
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you may not think it was that great, but i believe the underlying message of shameless merchandising, and bastardization of genuine and good symbols for profit was quite apropos. the ad generation is in full effect these days, and not many really tackle the subject
What if...the Venom symbiote merges with Frank Castle/Punisher in the church instead of Eddie Brock? Yes, please.
They did that. The symbiote attempted to suborn Frank's will to its own. Frank was willing to kill himself in order to keep control over the symbiote. It could feel his total willingness to do that, and so it relents in trying to control him...much ass goes on the be kicked.
VorpalDerringer hell yea, 90s venom knowledge right there. Nice. Ahh the Lethal Protector days
Wait.. i don't know if you mean the what if or when they clashed in the 90s. Either way, great books. VorpalDerringer
"now this is really important, because we've never before seen an instance where Reed Richards-"
commercial cut off but i hoped the full statement was "Did anything that helped people outside of cleanign up his own messes"
Please do more What If coverage. The What If stories were always my favorites
7:12 Maybe, as the Punisher, he watched his hero Captain America only catch the bad guys, and began to see that only catching them just gives them chances to escape and cause more trouble later, or that despite all the catching, the world is still filling up with these villains, so he came to the realization that killing wasn't pleasant, and it wasn't "heroic", but it was necessary.
Or, maybe Frank didn't make the choice to kill when he became the Punisher. Maybe he made the choice to NOT kill when he became Captain America. There could be an internal struggle there we're not aware of. I like that.
The idea of an captain america core is not a bad idea I'm the hand of the right writer that would be something that I would definitely would want to read or watch a video by Comics explained and/or Comicstorian
Had some really good concepts just needed to be expanded on and given more detail
lets be honest this is marvels illuminati, smartest guys on the planet, getting caps serum doesnt need an explanation because their just that good
Always my favorite random comic title to buy. It was like the writers went to a comic book shop, listened in on random hypothetical discussions and rants of the fans, and made'em come to life. "What if Wolverine was Lord of the Vampires " was awesome!
I've always felt it was clear that Castle kills because he justifies his actions as those of a soldier engaged in a literal war.
The subtext hasn't been all that subtle that he has PTSD (although I think it was still called battle fatigue or shellshock when he was created); his experiences in Vietnam have always been referred to as something that he is constantly thinking of and still living with.
I always really enjoyed the "What If?" stories. Keep doing them :)
We have captain americas, but where are all the leutenant americas?
What about General America, or Field Marshal America?
+Collin “Misfire” Buckman Or Major America
xertris And where the heck is Captain South america!!??
Generican is already a thing... it's just not a good thing...
Drake sergeant America. Private America.
I really like the "What if" ideas and stories Rob, if you could do a few more that would be great! :)
I appreciate this being a one shot video. I haven't been able to keep up and binge watch your videos for awhile now, so it's nice to jus watch a short one shot vid.
I love the What If? stories. One of the biggest things I love about Marvel is their infinite Multiverse.
This is why I love this freaking channel. You talk about ALL comics.
Is that Spider-Merica?
What If: Civil War is still one of my favourite titles.
I shed many a tear over the ending where Steve and Tony shook hands after the death of Goliath and sorted their shit out, making a stronger generation of heroes. Especially seeing 616 Tony's response to it.
Boy I loved the old "What If" series. Not sure I could say which is definitively my favorite, but, "What if The Invisible Woman had Died in Childbirth" was (Expletive) AWESOME.
who would be a better Captain than Frank? He's perfect for it, he's better than Steve and I see I'm not the only one who thinks so
Captain America stand for something of far more value than cold blooded murder. Frank isnt fit to wear the name imo.
That doesnt make Frank a bad character or anything of the sort, but he doesnt fit the title of Captain America any more than Cap did wearing the Punisher skull.
That being said, to answer your question, Id go with Vance Astrovic (spelling?) He was a sweet Captain America and was never even a soldier, to my knowledge. He still upheld Caps mantle quite well. Frank playing as Cap feels very forced. The writing itself makes no sense and just doesnt fit.
@@redsledgeblu5234 I agree, it doesn’t make any sense at all and it’s completely unnecessary. We already have John Walker (US-Agent) as an alternative Captain America that kills, but still believed in morals and principles.
Frank being Cap doesn’t fit because he doesn’t care about any of that stuff. Frank doesn’t necessarily fight to protect innocents, that’s just a bonus. Frank fights because of his addiction to war and killing people. Frank is the exact opposite to Captain America, which makes this comic really ironic and ridiculous lmao
Agreed. A fun story but What If's used to be a *lot* better than this. What If? Wolverine never joined Weapon X comes to mind.
You should do What if Punisher was Venom. That sorry was awesome
I love the "The What If?" comics.
Wow a what if with a happy ending.
That's a rare treat.
Sometimes its not necessarily about the quality of the story, but in how you tell it. Nice video Rob
I really enjoy these "What If" stories. Keep'em coming.
There was an older "What If?" story from back in the late 70's or 80's where Castle became Cap. He was even an Avenger. Can't remember how it started or ended, but I think Start wasn't overly fond of his Captain Punisher style tactics in that story.
Really enjoy the video, although to your point about stories not really going into detail as to why he kills other than because his family was killed, I'd argue that in Jason Aaron's Punisher Max run they actually reveal his real motivations. If you have read and recall they pretty much say that the punisher was really born in the war and that when he returned home he was just looking for an excuse to kill "the bad guy" (internally he felt this way) and his marriage and his relationship with his family was deteriorating and it was really only the fact that his family died that he was allowed to succumb to his preexisting urges to kill.
What if The Punisher became Captain America?
Johnny Walker, pre USAgent days
Whenever Rob says "dip my toe in the water" I get shivers down my spine
Thanks Rob for the great videos!
Rob, I have a request for some future videos. I know you've probably built a big to-do list but could you possibly cover the Klyntaar symbiotes, Venom, Carnage, Toxin etc?
One of my favorite what ifs of all time
I've heard about this story but I never knew where it came from. Awesome video.
There was a What If? story that appeared years before Age Of Ultron in which Frank Castle became the new Captain America after Steve Rogers became paralyzed. I thought that was the one you were going to cover in this video. It was a good story that explored the inherent differences between WWII vets and Vietnam vets.
Are you going to cover What if Venom Possessed the Punisher? One of my favorite What-If stories. And has a similar theme of "Frank Castle actually being given superpowers". A thought that SHOULD make even Thanos nervous.
You should do more What Ifs? Rob I think they are quite interesting.
that was great! please do more what ifs... ty
When I saw the title I figured it would be a dystopian story -- the serial mass murdering gun nut is the new face of America. I'm surprised they actually went the other way with it and rehabilitated Castle. This was a cause that he couldn't be cynical about and had to honor, effectively fixing both Castle and this alternate America. Isn't it just perfectly Steve Rogers that even his legacy alone is such a beacon of hope that it repairs what starts out as a darkest timeline?
Hi Rob. If you can find them, Marvel sporadically did a 'What If' comic but with humorous overtones. Maybe 1 - 2 pages per issue but with stories such as: What if Galactus fought Ant-Man (ends in a 'squish!') or What If Dr. Strange was a stage magician or What If Tony Stark had an eating problem instead of a drinking problem & my favourite, What If Spiderman defeated his enemies with intellect instead of physicallity (comes across The Thinker & has a 2 page spread diatribe in which The Watcher (whom used to present the What If series) yawns & turns the page claiming 'boring!' :) See how you go
Anyone else notice the punisher from the thumb nail is from punisher war zone that movie was dope
I love the What If comics use to get them each month back when I was collecting comics as a kid ^_^
There was an older What if comic under the same or similar title that I read as a child in the 90s. Punisher had become Captain America, but none of all this time travel stuff happened, and no Cap Corps either.
I read a different what if? comic about this. I honestly don't remember all of it or the issue but the basic story was this. Captain America was crippled and begged the US and Nick Fury to replace him. They offered it to Frank Castle and he refused because he wanted to go home to his family. They went thru several others ,most dying, before they came back to Castle whose family had died and this time he accepted. He was harder around the edges than Steve Rogers but he was doing the job. Eventually he started to cross the line and the original showed up and stopped him. Frank told him to take back the shield and Steve rolled up his sleeve to show that he was a cyborg now and stated ; Captain America has to be a Man'. Castle reined himself back in and continued as Captain America. Personally I thought that was one of the most powerful lines I ever read. Really loved the comic and still wish I had it.
Punisher War Journal: Punisher Vs Hatemonger for a CE episode please. His version of the Captain America costume was much better in that one, and the story is very relevant to current events.
Freakin awesome Rob!! Keep it up.
When Frank Castle becomes a better Captain America, life is better, who knew.
Oddly, one of the most frightening What If's I ever read was Volume 1 Number 46. In it, Aunt May was killed by The Burglar while Uncle Ben struggled as a single parent to help Peter. The thing that chills me? In the end, Peter's life was proven to be dramatically better as a result of this, especially in the long-term. It made me feel sad for Aunt May, whose character is limited by traditional treatments of her, except for JMS' maligned tenure. While Ben screwed some things up, it was within a believable framework, not the 'change one hair = Instant Apocalypse' trap many AU's fall into.
What if Captain America wanted to take over the multiverse? (Taking into consideration his skills, mind, and determination; how everybody trusts him; what happened in Secret Empire; and how he could go after the Infinity Gauntlet, Ultimate Nullifier, or Heart of the Universe.)
I don't know why but I really like the concept of this story
edit: jeez just went through this story again and I really wish they continue it lol
Did you do what if the punisher had venom?
That is already a what if story.
loved this story , thanks for all the awesome explanations,
Great video punisher rules. more what if stories plz
Not sure if this was already mentioned in the comments, but Steve Rogers is one of the very few super powered people Castle jad always respected. Even in the alternate comic where Castle destroys all of marvels heros. (He fucks Cyclops up big time). Right before he does in Cap, he tells him he always respected him as a man and as a soldier.
I've always loved what if stories
Punisher Max went pretty in depth of why the Punisher kills. Basically the Punisher (in that universe at least) is a born soldier and is really only at home when hes at war, the death of his family just freed him to do that. Also, its revealed that his last words to his wife were "I'm leaving," causing Frank to despise himself for not only failing to protect his family but also for choosing to throw it all away in the last moments of his families life. The Punisher is really Punishing himself as he sees death as an easy way out, and the only way he can keep himself alive is to wage war until someone finally end him.
This was basically captain america meets The Boys
I think covering "What if?" is a Marvelous idea! Seriously though; tons of fun things you can cover that your subs will love and will provide you with hours upon hours of content. I'd also like to see some DC Elseworlds takes myself, as I am not as familiar with DC and would find that fascinating. Keep up the good work, Rob... ~_~
I recognize Parker at 11:14 but who are the others behind the woman??Especially that Green dude??
the punisher did become a sort of captain America after rogers died in civil war. one of the best what ifs was castle bonding with the venom symbiote. unrelated, my other fav what if was wolverine becoming lord of the vampires.
How awesome would it be if the USA had an army of Captain Americas?
That's a what if story too lol
the old ultimates universe mass-produced some heroes. like a squad of Giant men!
Loved that one. If I recall, Steve was actually cloned by Red Skull. Skull, disguised as Cap, took over the US as the president after the war. They gave everyone the Super Soldier Serum, except African Americans, then they revealed that Cap was still frozen in ice. He resurfaces and makes a different Avengers group and manage to beat the Skull and the other Super Soldiers. Had some of the best, and weirdest, changes...like when Wolverine was actually the Hulk (no adamantium but he was possessed by the Wendigo and could control it), The punisher was the new Iron Man, and a bunch of other cool stuff. I think this was even a 2 part "What if". Epic.
+Jay Pollock thanks for sharing that.
That would be really fucked-up unless everyone was given the serum. A true equalizer.
Awesome video, thanks!
The one punisher who was finally happy.
Captain Punisher happened first at the end of Civil War. I know this isn’t the “same” character, but it was epic to see Frank admit he couldn’t do it without ruining the legacy.
I love the concept of Frank as Cap!
I want a new gritty punisher where he gets the serum somehow while he's stealing it for someone else. You have an incredible anti hero right there and no much dark stuff but also exciting action you could pull from that story out could last at least 3 movies
you should do the What if Captain America had formed the Avengers. that's my favorite What If story.
Thanx, for another great video.
In terms of explaining why it is The Punisher decided to kill criminals, I think Ennis' MAX series does a pretty good job. Specifically, the 'Born' arc.
there was also another what if the punisher had become Captain America.. You needed to include that one!
Robert (I'm assuming your name is Robert since you go by Rob), you are by far my favorite comics channel on RUclips.
And the only one I subscribed to because of that lol
I love the What If series! More please!
do more what if! it's great!👍
The ending of that story was really good imo.
There was another What If Frank Castle Became Captain America issue back in the 90s. Cap became a robot and Punisher lost his guidance, so Steve handed over the mantel.
More what if stories the are the best!
This was actually very interesting and cool.
please, please, PLEASE do a video on 1602, Neil Gaimans awesom "what if..."
Frank Castle,the new Capt. America??GOD HELP US ALL!!!!Right??Hahahaha!!!!!!!
Rob, there is another story of a what if punisher becomes captain america. the story is old, but I think it makes more sense that one than this one. don´t remember the year it was published
This would make an awesome series if you choose to continue it.
been done before in 90s. Cap fell in explosion during fight w red skull. not dead but gravely injured. passed title on 1st offered to Frank Castle but turned down. became punisher. panels offers hints to others who were offered role and took it. ended badly. man wolf. vampire. Duke just went insane and killed his team. Frank took on role as Capt. America by day but Punisher by night. Steve Rogers returned from injury as The Captain. hunted down castle. 1 blow to the gut disabled Castle. US Gov wanted Steve to "Sanction him w lethal force. no doubt." Steve instead explained the role of Cpt.America not as limited but symbol of hope as man of flesh & blood who could stand for an ideal. when Frank asked why Rogers couldn't take up role again he showed him that he was now a cyborg. Now as for back half there was 2 parter. what if Cpt America had led squad of Super Soldiers during ww2. he reacted 1 second faster and saved Dr.Erskine from the bullet. Doctor created note super soldiers. led successful invasion of Berlin Germany. then moved on to Russia and Moscow. Pax Americana. gets very dark from there. 2nd part is Steve Rogers POTUS.
How about you explain the mutant massacre and how gambit supposedly let the marauders there when he actually didn't I'd like to see you make sense of that
So, Age of Ultron had Wolverine as the Terminator? Cool. Now I want to see Wolverine vs The Terminator, or The Punisher vs The Terminator. That’d be awesome!
I was thinking about this concept like an hour ago after watching season 1 of Netflix/Marvel - The Punisher. This was a great idea, just as you said, story could of been better.
Holy shit your from eligble monster! Dude how didnt i knownthis ive been subbed to both of you for years lol
The was a Punisher becomes Cap what if before this one.. That was cool as well.
I remember this one time where Captain America had a black version of his costume with a skull on his chest. Was that Frank Castle/Punisher?
Every Captain America in comics:
* Steve Rogers (I)
* Isiah Bradley (II)
* William Naslund/Spirit of 76 (III)
* Jeffrey Mace/Patriot I (IV)
* William Burnside/The Grand Director (V)
* John Walker/U.S.Agent (VI)
* James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes/Winter Soldier (VII)
* Sam Wilson/Falcon (IX)
* Shannon Carter/American Dream (Earth-982/MC2 Universe)
* Sharon Rogers (Marvel Future Fight)
* Roberta Mendez (Earth-23291/Other 2099 A.D. Universe and possible Earth-616 future)
* Danielle Cage (alternate reality/Old Man Logan)
* Kiyoshi Morales/Commander A (alternate reality)
* Stephen Rogers (Revolutionary War ancestor)
* Frank Castle/The Punisher (alternate reality)
There are 2 captain América punisher
Always loved the what if's!