The Culver Mansion Couldn't Be Saved..
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The Culver House is at risk of demolition, but why? Find out in today's video. What are your thoughts, should it be saved?
Location: Powell Hall, St Louis Missouri
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The Culver Mansion Couldn't Be Saved..
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On 03/28/2022 the preservation board voted yes on the expansion of Powell Hall. The possibility of the building being moved is still an option.
If they can’t figure out a way to use it where it sits, then they need to move it so it is saved from demolition.
They absolutely must move it. If they don't, why should tourists visit? And why can't they prove they have learned from their mistakes in demolishing other historic properties? Why should St. Louis be proud of its history if the powers that be keep trying to erase it?
@@betsyh2503 Amen, Betsy.
I have 6 acres they can move it to, an hour from St. Louis, if they want to pay for the move. I'm serious.
@@patriciaclark5428 This is most excellent.
Here's the simple solution - use the parking lot right to the south of Powell hall for the expansion of the building instead, and there is currently an empty 2 story industrial building that is literally falling down diagonally across the street that Powell could tip over and then use for the lost parking, seems pretty simple to me? Make it happen people and save that amazing house!!! There is so much amazing architecture literally falling apart in this city - stop killing it all off and save the remnants of the past!!
It should be saved 100% and as an artist myself, I do not think many artists out there would agree with tearing down a beautiful, historic building. We tend to love beautiful old things that past artisans (woodwork, stone, ect) worked hard to do that cannot be recreated once it is gone. You can't even get the wood the way it used to be now. People took pride in their work then, as do most artists. That is being lost with everything else these days. Keep caring before no one does anymore.
Form a team of artists and architects and come up with a plan to incorporate this gem in the plan. I'm not either, but I can see a very cool place when done.
@@jamie49868 Yes, I don't know why they couldn't put it in as part of the plan. Build around it. Include it as housing, something.
If it were left in place it could be used as visiting Artist housing/Green Room.
If Powell moves it, it should be used as an Artist Creation space, as a boon to the Creative community and Community at large.
Why can't the "powers that be" decided to refurbish this historical building and make it part of the Powell expansion? They could make the historical part the new classrooms or practice rooms and connect the two buildings with a walkway bridge. There is no excuse to destroy the history of that building. Also why hasn't it been put on the national historic preservation list?
It is considered historic, but it needs to reach the landmarks list, another step above, to make it unable to be demolished
They probably don't have architects that clever to doo a proper job..
Not everything should be preserved or on some historic list. It’s sad to see old nice things go but sometimes its for the best. Haven’t watched the vid yet but I’d be happy to see it gone for a parking lot. Yes its sad but also look at the area it’s in. It needs to make space for modern condos or a small surface parking lot or a medium sized store. It’s no longer a residential zone
OK, so we then, "🎶 pave paradise and put up a parking lot" 🎶🎵
@@LucasFernandez-fk8se No respect for history AT ALL. Why not just tear down every historic building for parking lots?
THis is the coolest house. I walk the area often, and just love this and the retro police station around the block. You would think that this gem could be incorporated in the plan.
Don't demolish it! We are destroying our history! Move it to another location.
Can you move a brick house?
@@garettanderson6772 Yes you can move a brick house. They do take some of the bricks off and move them separately, I think.
@@jeanbaker2087 I saw another commenter below say it has been done many times, after I made this comment. Man that seems almost impossible to me but if they can do it then cool.
If the word historical is used to describe the building, it should never be considered to be torn down.
Save the house and renovate it to provide the rehearsal space for the performing groups at Powell Hall.
Obviously!! My thoughts exactly!!
Heck there is so much they could do with it. Make it an artist hotel type place, offices, gallery, etc. Lots of possibilities that would dovetail into the arts and the community.
Exactly my thought too!
Powell Hall should consider finding another site to build a new hall,parking, rehearsal and storage space from those other buildings that aren't being used.
It would make a wonderful reception facility for incoming guests and recitalists.
There was a huge push back in the 1960's by developers to raze all the old buildings they could to make way for "modern improvements". If not for the efforts of concerned people St. Louis would have already lost so much of the historical architecture that makes it the rich visual treasure it is today. There must be a way to keep what's left.
Back in the day cities tore down blocks of downtowns to make more parking, until finally supply met demand, that is to say there was so little to see when one got out of the car, people stopped coming so demand for parking dropped. Cities like Houston tore down half their downtown or more; mid century photos of Houston look like post-war photos of eastern europe, except that it wasn’t the Nazis, it was shortsighted local property owners. Then there are the insidious forces that no one really pays attention to, like the San Francisco planning commission which now has a 75 year record of development that shows the commission (which should have the city’s best interests in mind) clearly thinks San Francisco is a mistake that needs to be fixed for better traffic flow; Maritime Plaza, Embarcadero Center, Levis Plaza, the Embarcadero itself; South Beach (Giants Stadium) Mission Rock, and UCSF Mission Bay which is a Euclidean zoning nightmare, or would be if it could manage enough energy.
It definitely needs to be saved and restored, they can incorporate it into the design of the new expansion and even use it in some faction either as a museum to the arts or living spaces for the artists, I don’t see why every piece of history has to be destroyed in the name of progress. Our roots are what hold us close to the earth and Serve as a firm foundation, if we tear out all of our roots we will just blow away in the wind.
That's what the Newark Museum (NJ) did. They incorporated a mansion into the expansion. The problem is orchtras need an open space to rehearse.
No question it should be saved. This kind of historical architecture can never be replaced so let’s keep and preserve what we have left for future generations.
WHo is we?
It’s very hard to answer your demolition question without seeing the interior….if the interior has been stripped of all its original features by years of renovations and/or vandalism or the house has suffered structural compromise because of years of water leaks then we have our demolition answer.
Noooo!!! This beauty deserves to live.
I love that house. I work for the Fox theater and I work the lot across the street from that house on Delmar. I’d rather be looking at that beautiful house than a building of any kind.
Save it!
Build around the house. It is a work of art, idiots.
Yes. Please save this building. The architecture is wonderful, St. Louis needs to preserve its history.
Those who want to save these old buildings never seems to a real plan or spend their own money. The nearby Fox Theatre and the Element Hotel were modernized with mostly private dollars. The Moolah Temple was a Restoration St. Louis project. The Gills also helped bring back the Grove neighborhood.
At one time, the preservationists didn't want the old Sealtest Dairy Building razed. Common sense prevailed and now a modern hospital sits on the site.
Tearing down an irreplaceable beautiful building is NOT progress. With more creative thought a good solution can be found that does not require destruction.
It should be saved and integrated into the expansion in a very clever way. Maybe under an atrium and it would house the offices of arts administration. There is definitely an architect out there clever enough to integrate it.
Powell Hall, I remember when it was the St. Louis theatre (movie palace). That is a good thing if the symphony needs the space. It has not been residential for years. Maybe The Cupples House is enough for that veracular style. Those glass block windows are a disgrace. Is the cast iron porch frame original, the place is badly butchered. There are plenty of homes of this style to be gentrified in North St. Louis, for the few and the brave who wish to dedicate their lives to the upkeep of a property that was built to have a staff. If they were able to move a masonry house without disaster, where would they move it and to what purpose, another house museum? It has some nice features intact, like the eyebrow window on the roof, turret appears to be missing a roof. Is it currently serving as offices?
100 % Agreed. Even if it's moved, what would become of it?? The cost of moving it would make it cost prohibitive for someone to renovate and move in. And the city doesn't need another poorly visited house museum. I'm all for preservation. But this is just one of HUNDREDS of beautiful historic homes in St. Louis at risk of demolition. Most of the demos that happen leave empty lots. This one won't. It will be filled with an expansion for Powell hall. This isn't a monumental or important house. It's just pretty old house. There are so many more houses that we should be fighting for that would actually have an impact on the city if they were saved.
@@KevinDHart Agree, between saving the old St. Louis Theatre and this house with plenty of other examples, there is no contest. Certainly don't move the symphony.
Is moving out of Powell Hall part of any plan?
My question is why can't it be incorporated in any plan? The new building is going to need some office space, cafe, maybe guest rooms...or something this house could provide.
Build new, incorporate the old, I am seeing it done all over the city. Win! Win!
@@jamie49868 By all means if some private individual wishes to purchase, then dismantle or move this masonry building, then please do so. There is a point where too little, too late comes into play. It has no historic designation, the symphony owns the building and they have approval for expansion.
@@susprime7018 Did I ask for it to be dismantled and moved?
Get some local artists and architects and come up with a plan to incorporate it.
Are you telling me that can't be done? Because is sure can be. I understand there is a cost, but it is worth exploring.
I see this type of project going on all over town, and other cities as well.
The thing is, is that once you destroy it, it gone forever. Think before you do something you can't reverse.
Peace
Powell-Schmowell. This enchanting, historical home deserves to take its rightful place among protected properties in St. Louis. Save, please.
Save to house!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY should save it. THEY should save it. What about YOU should save it?
It's easy to sit back and vilify the owners. Whenever Powell or SLSO bought it, they did save it.
There are still plenty of old houses in legitimate residential neighborhoods. This is not now, nor likely to be a residential neighborhood. I think we're lucky to have a thriving arts center in midtown. We like the arts center.
Consider this, SLSO is prevented from making improvements. SLSO builds a new state of the art facility in Chesterfield Valley. Now you have an abandoned old house (and old is not the same as historical) and an abandoned theater/concert hall to add to the blight load.
Honestly, a lot of Powell types are already queasy about making the trip.
My two cents. Let me have it.
This House should not be distroyed. I hope someone buys the house and move to another location and be payed for by Powell Hall expanstion. Thanks Ken for keeping us informed.
Needs to be preserved and used!
Oh my I do hope they save this one .it's beautiful.
Must save!!!!!!
Save the house!
NO NO NO! We do this far to much. We presently lost a mansion in my town to make way for a practice football field. The school didn't like the fact that they had to drive a mile or so to use another schools field (same school district). I no longer get to look in the huge leaded glass windows at the beautiful stair case when I drive by. This loss so people can PRATICE FOR A GAME A GAME. These houses can never be replaced.
Sorry to hear that!
Absolutely not. It’s beautify. It should be kept.
It's a shame the house is sitting in the middle of a parking lot and could never be residential again unless moved. It's also been obviously altered and not in a good way.
100% untrue.
Paving is easy to tear up and replace with landscaping.
Much easier to remove paving that move a massive brick structure...
A typical architect can only see one solution whereas a true visionary will be able to think out of the box. It might require a bit more work and creativity (heaven forbid) but it is not impossible and it would be more apathetic if the house was to be integrated into the new build. But at last, simple minds require simple solutions.
Though compromise is needed, there is likely a way to do both. In San Diego, the downtown Fox Movie Theater (built in 1929) was in a similar predicament, and in 1984 was sold to the Symphony. The facade, lobby, and theater space (I saw the original Jungle Book movie there when I was a little kid) were preserved and restored, the underground parking garage upgraded and expanded, and the upper floors turned into office space, while maintaining the Art Deco style. In another part of downtown, a lone Victorian house stands across a parking lot from 1930s warehouses which are now restaurants, bars, and retail space. The beautifully painted Victorian has housed a law firm for over 30 years. Thanks for bringing these issues to light, Ken. That house has very special features, and I'd love to see the interior.
Unless there's some serious structural problems with it that would make it far too expensive or impossible to correct, then every effort should be made to preserve the building.
Save, save, save.
No no demolition its beautiful
it's a solid brick building. I'm personally fine with a middle ground of dismantling the bricks and rebuilding the structure ( completely removing the interior ). They did it with Henry Shaws city house.. But that was his money, and that's the key point. IMO architectural integrity is more important than what's inside in this very limited case. If people say "everything on the inside is rotted" This option works best for disarming that. The house is functionally a castle, the only thing that can rot is the inside. lol
I walked by it about half a month ago, the walls inside were all still a solid white and stuff, from what I could see, seemed to be still in good shape. This house is still certainly well within reach of a full restoration, hope that don’t end up demolishing it
Save, at all costs. It can be incorporated into the expansion. Everyone wins.
save
Save it and build a garage/enlarged building behind. Use the house as office space.
SAVE IT! You can never get it back once it is gone! What is the cost of progress? Erasing our past?
When we rip down our old buildings, we lose our history.
I would like to think that it would be preserved, but the reality is it is going to be torn down.
Find a better space, let the house stand!
I’m a firm believer in preservation. I once lived in Bakersfield, California where an entire historic house was moved from its original location to the outdoor museum called Pioneer Village. I guess moving a historic Saint Louis home would be impossible because they are brick and stone fortresses! Maybe your historic house could become a museum, a bistro, etc. I have cousins in Germany who live in a house that was built in about 1690! It’s totally modern inside, but outside it looks it never changed. My other German kinfolk live in similarly old on the outside, modern inside homes.
Actually, there was a 2 story house here in St. Louis that was moved from its original foundation in 2017. It was moved to make way for a federal project that is currently under construction here in the north city section of St. Louis.
@@caseydangerfield5915 Here in Denver, the Ghost Building, made of brick and stone in 1889, was dismantled piece by piece and moved to a storage facility until a new location could be found downtown. After 10 years, it was rebuilt, having moved from 15th and Glenarm to 18th and Stout. It can be done-if there's a community will.
Where I live in California, a homeowner of a historic (in our town, TOC) home can rip up the interior and back of the home, ordinances require the front facade be minimally changed.
The turret reminds me of the abandoned house on the corner of Cook & Whittier.
Think it should be saved, to many Historic Buildings get torn down for parking lots, this is a beautiful old building. There are alternatives for parking, lets use one of them, ir make sense. Save a building!!!
I hope they find a way to relocate it to a residential area where it will be preserved.
Save it.
No... Save this historic home... once it is destroyed, it is gone forever....
S A V E. IT. !!!!!
The building needs saved!! There is always a secondary solution to every problem!!!
SAVE IT! Once we've erased our history we will never have it back.... These beautiful old structures are unique and can never be replaced. SAVE IT!
This historic building has plenty of space that can be used by the art center. INTEGRATE the building into the new expansion.
With that Beautiful Home being a remnant of the Neighborhood and Families that lived in it, the loss and infestation of commercial buildings into the doomed neighborhood is cause to mourn. The home standing bare and alone puts me in mind of an old Disney Cartoon Titled "The Little Blue House".
i thought of that cartoon as well
They do the same here in Denver.
What was once a beautiful city is now parking lots and condos
Save the house --move it. There are plenty of empty lots in residential parts of the city.
Maybe renovate the house and use it as part of Powell Hall.
Save the house and history.
save it !!!
This building should be saved.
I must say it is a good thing there is that much interest in Powell Hall that they need to expand.
I hope you will keep us posted on the decision regarding this beautiful house, thank you so much.
I know the guy who owns that home I've not spoken to him for some time but I know he sank everything he had into that house he worked for years on the inside I worked for him aswell it was his pride and joy I'm guessing he's passed but if I know him aswell as I do he,ll haunt the hell outta who ever tears the house down
Makes me sad. St. Louis and Memphis have lost so much history- hopefully this sad beauty can be saved
Don't tear it down! They don't make them like that anymore!
This house is a masterpiece....built to last far longer than any modern atrocity that could replace it.
I see an understand, if we keep torn down what's gonna left
SAVE the house!!
Please do not turn down that house
How ironic that in order to grow an arts building they want to tear down a piece of art in its own right. Seems counterintuitive and disrespectful to other art forms! I hope they save the building somehow!
Move it to another park-like site. It was done in Egypt with the Abu Simbel when it was relocated in 1968.
Hi thank you save the house, please.
No! Look at the block next to it & the character in this beautiful architecture. No question.
Either move it to another location or incorporate it into the expansion.
Don't destroy it.. Hopefully the can find a way to move it.
I like how funky the house is, it should be saved. I would love the house
The house was demolished on July 19, 2022. Historic preservationists fought to save the house for months. They wanted the symphony to move the building or incorporate it into the $100 million expansion.
Symphony officials say they chose not to incorporate Culver House into the Powell Hall expansion because it would have been too expensive and because the house had safety issues like black mold, asbestos and uneven floors.
I think they should save the building
You should do some videos about the houses and buildings in Milwaukee!!! It has a very historic history and it still has most of its original buildings from the mid to late 1800s and early 1900s it’s amazing!
Let Powell Hall find a new location or expand other directions. It is a beautiful representation of historic architecture and the city's past.
No! Its GORGEOUS!!!
Promote and raise money to move the house If it's that significant a landmark and history of St Louis to a site that lends to its architecture and history.
Please save.
You did a balanced job of presenting both sides. In general, though, unless somebody wants to put up the money to buy, restore and maintain an old building, it's best to let them go rather than decay away and become an eyesore in the community.
Instead of demolition, can't they turn it into the warm up area for the musicians etc...?
Move it. We’ve lost too many historic homes already.
It should either be relocated or incorporated into the addition. It could become an office complex for the Powell or be used as dressing rooms and lounge for performers?
SAVE THIS HOUSE! 🤗
Can it be moved? I'm 100% for preservation but if it could be moved to a more secure location maybe everyone wins?
It should definitely be saved. Perhaps they can build around it and up. I am sure that there is a viable alternative to destroying that beautiful house.
The house should absolutely remain where it is. Razing it should be completely out of the question and is unfathomable. Shame on you, Powell Hall.
You sure got the discussion going! All kinds of good suggestions in these comments.
Save the building - design creatively, creating large room venues around the historic structure and use its interior spaces for smaller offices etc.. ...
I don't see what's stopping the symphony from engulfing part of the house instead of tearing it down entirely. If you visit the Crocker Art Gallery in Sacramento, CA, they did exactly that with the original 19th century building. It was in desperate need of a major expansion and the small mid-20th century addition wasn't enough anymore. I was among the last people to use the original entrance. Today, the main building is at least 2-3x the size of the historic wing. If you see it, the new building is attached to the old via what's left of the 20th century addition, and they all function pretty well as one building.
What happened to the ornate metal work of the dormers and porch roof? These were intact just a few years ago.
This historic building should most definitely be saved and restored to its former grandeur!!!!!
It needs so much work on the outside, i can only imagine what the inside is like. It is a nice looking design, And i don't like history being torn down, but it's almost too far gone. The repair would require very skilled labor.
There's been houses in much worse shape restored. It is no where near too far gone.
This house it's worth saving!
Could Powell Hall not utilize the building in some way? (Practice space; offices etc) this would be a win-win for both! Please please do not tear down. We need music AND old historic buildings. Thanks for listening.
It could be moved. But to where? Better yet. Incorporate the house into the new design! Love your channel!