As a non-American I find your history amazingly compelling. I especially enjoy studying the Civil War. There were great men on both sides. I really enjoy listening to Shelby Foote. Embrace your history!
Sir a slight correction .....It was the war for Southern Independence and there was nothing civil about it.....750000 Americans stood and died for what they believed to be right.
@@pinslayer4579 People keep calling it a civil war. It wasn't a civil war. A civil war is when two sides are fighting to take over the same government. The South was fighting for independence just like the revolutionary war was about independence from Great Britain.
Nur die Harten kommen in den Garten their history is very interesting. It may not turn your crank, but to those of us who enjoy good historical accounts and have seen where the battles took place it is lessons learned. I would never presume to call denigrate another country's history. Btw, I am not even American, but I love the history.
My Mom was born in KY. And Shelby’s voice sounds like her dear uncle Robert who passed in the 80’s. He used to say we ( my sister and I) “were the puritiest girls he ever did see” everytime we went down to visit. His soft spoken velvety voice and accent could charm any girl. He also had a twinkle in his eyes that I have rarely seen since. RIP Robert
Shelby Foote has the Marvelous Southern talent of taking a trip to the grocery for a gallon of milk and converting it into a fabulous adventure. As a historian his talent was to convey a scene, the thoughts of men as if he sat among them. It's a wonderful talent but to a certain degree hides the horrors of that war. Crane's "Red Badge of Courage" scenes of decaying bodies; others convey a gut-shot soldier, the effectiveness of mini-balls... war is truly a horrendous thing we indulge. Yet we feel the need every so often confused by glory and patriotism.
Sherman's statue is at the corner of E 59th and 5th Avenue, next to Central Park, in NYC. That is one statue I wish BLM vandals had torn down and destroyed.
I am very proud to say my great grand parents and their siblings immigrated here from Ireland in 1858 to Tennessee and so got embroiled in a National conflict very quickly , all were in the 9th Tennessee Confederate Cavalry two of four were officers, one lost his left leg at Yellow Tavern but all survived the war. Many served under Brigadier General Earl Van Dorn, but highly spoke of Bedford Forrest as one of the greatest American Commanders that ever existed.
@Doug Bevins Another war is coming Doug..forgiveness is a better solution.. you truly remind me of the descendants of the soldiers killed at little big horn who still send hate mail to the descendants of the indians that killed their forefathers.Ive heard the interviews from the Indians...hateful just hateful...get past it Doug.
@Doug Bevins I'm not reading your comment not one word.My family fought for the North and I have an 1864 Springfield with the bayonet handed down through my family...we delivered slaves.I love history and like to hear about it.The Confederacy is over and I wont listen to your hate.
Learn about forgiveness before hate eats you totally alive.I have no hate or animosity implied or felt in my comments and I bet the gentleman commenting on Ireland doesn't either.Have a good day Doug and goodbye.
What is striking to me is the letters from southern and northern soldiers. They had fewer years of schooling than today's 20 year-olds. But they wrote well and with great character and passion. If we examined the letters of today's 20 year-olds living under similar circumstances, we would see the difference. A steady decline in morality and education.
A decline in morality? You are aware that one of those sides supported the idea that it was fine and dandy to own another human being, right? And neither side really believed in equality between the races. Perhaps you don't think that is a morality issue per se, but some other discussion, but the fact is our society today, for all of its faults, is still far more suited to developing a just system than the society of the 1860s. The war was fought because of that very thing. The Union was mostly fighting for an idealized version of "The Union", regarding a political system as if it were sacred and should not be touched, the Southerners mostly to preserve a cultural lifestyle that included a slave-owning aristocracy and not much social standing for anyone else. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that the U.S. as a society has declined since 1860.
The ranks were rife with venereal diseases. "Morality", in the sense that you use the term, is an illusion. Speaking well does not equate to keeping it in your breeches.
The South was more Classics-oriented. Many people learned to read from the King James Bible. People are losing their culture because they cannot quote the KJV or the Declaration or other documents. And Antebellum is a Classical style of architecture, or Neo-Classical, I guess. If you wrote in that refined language now, they would say something was wrong.
I am 34 years old and my great grandfather lived to be 102 and as a kid i would listen to him tell stories he heard from his family about that war. Whenever he mentioned NBF (My family were Yankees mind you) he had an almost hushed reverence for the man, as if you said his name too loud he might appear
I am 34 years old and my great grandfather lived to be 102 and as a kid i would listen to him tell stories he heard from his family about that war. Whenever he mentioned NBF (My family were Yankees mind you) he had an almost hushed reverence for the man, as if you said his name too loud he might appear
That's nothing to brag about the man that founded the KKK and was behind the massacre of u.s. colored Troops after they surrendered I'm glad that the city of Memphis is taking down the Monument and kicking his scumbag remains out of the city limits!!!!😀😀
His Civil War Narrative trilogy is one of the best sources on the Civil War...period. While most other authors like to put either a Pro-Union or Pro Confederate bias in their works, Foote doesn't waste his time with trying to portray a message, he simply gives the history in a unique way that I've never seen another author do. His works are extremely underrated and I'd strongly recommend them.
If you were having dinner with Shelby Foote I would pay for both of y'all's meals and not even get to be there, just to say I payed for Shelby Footes supper ma'am.
I met a black gentleman at a Civil War show several years ago named Nelson Winbush. He was a life member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. His grandfather served in the Confederate army under Nathan Bedford Forrest and he was quite proud of the fact.
@Ac Tion , there were absolutely black soldiers in the confederate army. It’s 100% documented. There were also free blacks living in the south and wealthy black slave owners.
@Ac Tion , there are videos on RUclips of former slaves being interviewed after audio recordings were invented. Many speak very fondly of their former masters. Today, people look at slavery as a situation created by and sustained by hate, and it simply wasn’t the case.
@Ac Tion Stockholm syndrome 40 years after freedom? No, that doesn’t happen, and your own prejudices and revisionist version of history are glaringly apparent.
People seem to forget that two things can be true at once. Forrest very well could have been a genius as Foote says, certainly in the military domain, and also vile in his views. One does not preclude the other. You would be shocked at how many Nazis at Nuremberg scored incredibly high on their IQ tests, many of them hitting genius levels. Some of the worst ideas and worst crimes in history were perpetrated by people with genius-level intelligence. The fact that Foote named Forrest and Lincoln together, despite them being at seemingly polar opposite ends of our morality scales means that Foote is objective enough to recognize genius wherever he sees it.
I find the comparison to Lincoln straight out of the 1860’s, there is no comparison, they are polar opposite’s morally and politically. You cannot separate the man from his deplorable actions, Forrest’s actions were an abomination! Comparing him to Lincoln is like comparing Hitler to Rosevelt! I am sure some ‘Conservative’ will believe that was a reasonable comparison!
Shelby Foote was being honest about Nathan Bedford Forrest's military abilities. The discussion was not about his character, flaws and all. The issue was unless Sheridan, James H Wilson and Grierson, the Union did not find someone aggressive enough for Cavalry operations in the West or the east.
I wonder where that saber is now. I bet Shelby Foote felt a jolt on feeling the weight of it in his hands. I would have. To hold an existing relic of history like that.
The arguing in the comments go for it. Keep it civil I suppose. Anyway I always enjoyed this short anecdote from Shelby. Since the documentary was removed off Netflix I figured this be the perfect place for a minute video. Plus having family in South( I was Born and raised in MA) I always had interesting back and forth with Southerns. They always brought up the civil war. Foote’s last sentence here. He is 100% right.
I learned to love learning by the voices of those still connected to the story. Mr Foote was wonderful to listen to and knew his Ps from Qs. But, yes, he was -perhaps inescapably- a biased reporter.
When change is needed and too long rejected and neglected, particularly change in oneself; when people lose their way and they don’t know it and don’t want to know it; when the momentum of history maintains their disorientation; they are apt to find an enemy and indulge in ecstatic paroxysms of destruction for its own sake. Of course, reasons are found to justify it all.
I think of that scene where the aging veterans of both sides met again on that hill, at that wall where many died in that disastrous charge in 1863. They shook hands and embraced in an act of reconciliation. For various reasons, mostly political, a second war may be coming.
@ihategoogle honestly the left just wants healthcare and for the government to do something about climate change. have a real conversation with a leftist and you realize they aren't all that much different, they just disagree on how to get there. the idea that they want to somehow take away freedom and become dictators is as laughable as the left leveling the same charge at the right.
"honestly the left just wants healthcare and for the government to do something about climate change." Yeah. That's all the "left" wants. Climate change is a joke. Nobody cares. All of your ridiculous prognostications have failed to come true. Healthcare? LOL Obamacare is a total failure.
I’m disappointed with the removal of the dislike button. This video has plenty who disagree with Mr. Foote and the topic of NBF. Hell the South in general. Still everyone of you gave the video fair criticism. That like/disliked ratio proved it. Upsetting decision from Google. Thank you all for your comments.
This was more a clip about the attitude a lot of modern southerners still have about the war than it was about Forrest. And it's true. I put up a profile picture of Sherman on my Facebook profile for a while and got a lot of weird, negative comments I didn't understand until I saw this documentary. But I'm sorry RUclips no longer allows you to rack up the down votes for simple knowledge being shared. Perhaps you would enjoy a religious fundamentalist country better, where dogma is rewarded over intellectualism. Like the rest of the devout wokeists.
U have no knowledge of the Klan. They were formed to protect the southern people. When is became racist, Forrest removed himself. The Klan was the north also.
@L Singletary Yeah--he didn't like the way the Klan was being run, so he tried to disband it. Lot of good that did. All those poor southern traitors in the 1860s...I just feel so bad for them.
No, he didn't found anything. He was asked to serve as a figure head for the group early when it was merely resistance to reconstruction policies. There was no 'grand wizard' at that time. When the original klan began to become violent he helped to disband it. He had no connection to the latter 20th century organization with the same name.
He didn't found it, but he joined it, and was definitely their first grand wizard. They got the title from northern newspapers calling him "the wizard of the saddle."
I wonder if people who always say confederate monuments are about history actually sit down and read about the Civil War or watch series like this? I honestly don’t feel that strongly about them either way but l love learning the history from shows like this.
wireless one and read his commentary on statuette history. The South lost, but the racism and hate lived on for too long. The monuments are there to remind people to ‘keep their station’ and are not history in themselves.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the monuments in their general existence. This war was fought all across this nation and is deeply woven into its history. The issue is the use of specifically confederate imagery , it validates that sides actions and it romanticizes it’s motivations as noble. The monuments to battles and notable individuals should remain, but should be neutral to either side and simply exist as a means of understanding, not justification
I like when quoting the simple word boys, particularly a term used in Celtic part of Britain and Ireland, but particularly in Wales, but sometimes the word boyo is used?🏴🇬🇧🏴
Nathan Forrest certainly had his faults like the rest of us both North & South. But he was a magnificent cavalry leader - perhaps the best ever. He always led from the front and the 29 horses shot out from under him paid the price. Nobody on either side ever doubted his tenacity and skill in battle which is why he earned the title "Wizard of the Saddle". All feared and respected him. He only finished the 6th grade and never had military training. His peers at the time who graduated from West Point looked down on him for his lack of education and refined upbringing and resented his successes on the battlefield. We need leaders like Nathan Bedford Forrest today to erase the wokeness being infected into our military.
Horse shit. Our military can’t operate without tolerance for all races and all religions and all sexual preferences. Nathan Forrest, a founding member of the KKK is everything this country and our military oppose, and so are you apparently.
Bedford Forrest captured my g-g grandfather at Thompson’s Station in 1863. Read a couple of bios, he was not a particularly good man, but he was a tactical genius
NBF was an outstanding cavalry officer and tactician, but didn't have the "saddle skills" of General Joseph O. Shelby and his troops who campaigned West of the Mississippi.
idk, Shelby tells that story of NBF swinging the union soldier up on his saddle to use him as a human shield as he was retreating from Shiloh. That's pretty impressive. Always thought the story was BS though lol
Is that why Forrest was called the Wizard of the Saddle? Did Shelby have 31 confirmed kills in hand to hand combat? Did Shelby capture more prisoners and supplies than any other General during the war? Is Shelby Third in line of having most Literature written about him than any other Civil War Figure only behind Lincoln and Lee? But much respect to Shelby and any man that fought against a invader.
@@theknob1 I am sure Shelby was a great Horseman and leader. I was not disrespectful to Shelby because he deserves much adulation for his Courage and Ability to lead brave men. But I have read books on Forrest and there was no other Calvary General that surpassed Forrest. Not Stuart, Singleton the Grey ghost nor Shelby and for sure not a Union Calvary General but Buford was good and his heart was not into the war. He hated Politicians like Stonewall Jackson. War Profiteers. Thanks for your reply to me.
Yes. On another note, his Grandson, Nathan Bedford Forrest III was the 1st U.S. general killed in combat during World War II. He was flying a B17 Flying Fortress. He was leading the wing on a special mission. His plan was shot up. He stayed with the plane while his crew bailed out.
Lincoln was a genius. He was also an extraordinarily great man. From what I can gather Forrest was a true military genius. A great man? Probably not. Being a genius and being a great man are two different characteristics.
Then how do you account for the articles of secession of every southern state specifically mention slavery ? Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina all issued additional documents, usually referred to as the “Declarations of Causes," which explain their decision to leave the Union. Mississippi: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth… Texas: The servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations. South Carolina: Those [Union] States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. Georgia: That reason was [the North's] fixed purpose to limit, restrain, and finally abolish slavery in the States where it exists. The South with great unanimity declared her purpose to resist the principle of prohibition to the last extremity.
@@jeffdworkin915 It was obviously about the institution of slavery and the dynamics surrounding it, but *why* did the institution of slavery become such an important issue? That's a bit more complicated.
Everything about him makes a true hero to me Erase the very little negativity and he was The perfect man. What a terrible shame that others can’t see the real MAN he was. Jesus loved him!!!
Please read the real history: The klan was formed to protect the then impoverished southern people. After the war there was a huge amount of lawlessness. LATER, it became used for suppression of the black people. Forrest soon left the klan and dismissed him self from the klan. And at that time he became open to black rights and voting. Please read the truth. It’s there it u would open ur eyes instead of what u “heard”
Oh yeah, the man who led the Ku Klux Klan and heavily contributed to the failure of reconstruction and the direct legal subjugation of Black Americans for the next ~100 years was suuuch a hero.
There are some strange thoughts here. Lincoln was not a traitor Sherman actually loved the south his job was to end the war as fast as possible pussyfooting around would have cost a lot more lives. During the 3rd Army drive through Germany a southern soldier made the comments (after seeing several of his comrades get gunned down in Germany after the town surrendered) Now I see what Sherman was about
Grant and his evil lackey Sherman's March To The Sea, was an atrocity, waging war on helpless women and children, burning and destroying homes, stealing livestock, burning crops and leaving them with nothing, is a stain that can never be erased from the United States military. Confederate soldiers weren't even allowed to steal a pig from a civilian. Shameful and cowardly. If you can't beat them on the battlefield, terrorize their women and children, and burn them out.
Gallagher's rationale (easy to find online) is a bit weird. He concedes that Forrest was "an excellent cavalry officer", but then goes on to say if he were given greater responsibility, he would have failed because he "lacked the administrative skills, temperament, and intellect to lead an army." What does a what-if scenario have to do with anything? The plain fact is that his enemies feared him greatly, just like the Allies in World War II were in awe of Rommel.
Never mind his command over the massacre at Fort Pillow, he was a slave catcher in his youth, a slave owner, very prosperous slave dealer, a pioneering employer of post war chain gangs, the murderer of a former slave, and a founding leader of the KKK: that’s Forrest’s civilian resume, the most disgraceful of any general, north or south.
Lincoln couldn't hold a candle to Nathan Bedford Forrest. Shelby Footes opinion aside. Nathan Bedford Forrest actually lived with and fought with blacks when he was a southern General. 60 of his Elite Cavalry troops were black. He argued for bringing blacks into the fold of society did the Memphis city council when he tried to get them to hire blacks because they couldn't find skilled men to help their City. Easy to find, look it up one of the best speeches ever given arguing the equality of man.
@@44hawk28 Lincoln was leading a country while Forrest was a decent small unit commander. Lincoln had to look at the big picture. Forrest was a seat of the pants leader he had good feel of battle. He didn't have to deal with 100s of 1000s of other men logistics etc etc. Trying to make a distinction between the extremes each faced. If things went south (pun) Forrest could skedaddle. Lincoln could not
Do you realize that Gettysburg was not a Union victory, it was a draw and was the first battle that the Confederates did not take the Union arms from the field after the battle. When Lincolns generals were called to Washington DC and Lincoln gathered them together and "congratulated" them on their "victory", the generals were to a man dumbfounded and shocked; they knew it was not a victory for anyone, but instead was a slaughter.
Many abuse victims become attached to their abusers. The very rare ex slave who spoke fondly of their owners were also probably not field hands with whipping stripes their backs. You slavery apologists sound ridiculous.
I find it extraordinary, one, that Shelby could compare Forrest to Lincoln, which is a ridiculous comparison, and, two, that his kin wouldn’t even see the compliment in the effort. Strange ways indeed. 1:02
Comparing natural genius in the worst of situations is all I think. Forest didn’t spend one day in West Point. And still won using brilliant tactics. Natural.
The sad fact is most Americans do not know the real history of Lincolns war, so Foote sounds reasonable, if you buy into the twisted Union history of the war.
Shelby Foote was a great story teller. But so far as the Civil War is concerned it seems he thought the only thing the South did wrong was lose the war.
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. Abraham Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of (censored for RUclips), nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality ... I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between (censored for RUclips) and white men. Abraham Lincoln’s debate with Stephen Douglas Both sides were bigots. The cause of the war was not the moral issue of slavery but instead the economic and political issue of slavery.
@@jalander8817 Wow, a man that had to appeal to a majority extremely racist voter base said a few racist things during a debate. Lincoln was always anti-slavery and pro-equality. He literally mentions in that same letter that he would LIKE to free the slaves but understands that holding the Union together is his primary concern. Hell, if I’m not mistaken, I believe he was already in the process of drafting the Emancipation Proclamation when he wrote that letter.
@@goonsquad8258 ha. You live in a fantasy world. The emancipation proclamation was intended to be an act of war and Lincoln was surprised when slaves didn’t rise up for their freedom. Btw slaver existed in a few Northern states after the War for Southern Independence was lost. He was also actively meeting with people in his cabinet to talk about what is referred to in the literature as “colonization.” Which means rounding up people of color and shipping them to another country. That was how he wanted to deal with problem of black people. He also sold slaves. Lincoln, like Churchill, was mostly just a well connected con man. Lincoln also was the first to jail people in the media who disagreed with him and merged the media and government. A free media has never returned. Mythology dies hard. Btw… I can like my own comment two seconds after I post it too.
@@goonsquad8258 Did you know Lincoln was the head of the organization in ILL that tried to remove blacks and send them to Africa or South America? Did you know Lincoln only spoke to one black when Lincoln was president and that was for fifteen minutes? Did you know Marx loved Lincoln and wrote glowing newspaper articles about Lincoln? Did you know that all but one Northern state forbid freed slaves from working in the Northern states? Did you know the Union army came very close to mutiny when Lincoln said he would free the slaves? Did you know Lincoln never freed one single slave?
The term "genius" is tossed around very frequently and often with little true basis, but NBF truly was a natural born, military genius. So sad what the revisionist have tried to do to him.
The popular trend is to call Pillow a massacre, but even the US govt could not find material worthy of a conviction of Forrest in post war hearings. He tried twice to get the Fort to surrender but the Federal Cmdr was drunk and incapable and his second took no action. Suggest a reading of "The Untutored Genius" by Professor Lonnie Manness.
Mark Choate I was stationed at Ft. Campbell while active duty and so I often had weekends off to go on roadtrips (anything to get away from post) and visited a lot of the battlefields in that theatre. It really stirred my interest in NBF. And yes, he was by far the most interesting and capable general to emerge from the western theater. He was truly expert in driving the Feds crazy. There is more to the postwar story than is told but of course, my fellow citizens do not like serious discussion in which they may be challenged to actually think. They would rather swallow the easily digestible versions they are fed. Just my opinion
Well said, Patrick and yes you are right that most folks just want to consume and quote the popular dribble that the liberals embrace. I'll be our friend, "dopey" just loves CNN and MSNBC, too....
Bedford was a tactical genius and Lincoln was a political genius
Yeah. Though, NBF was one of the hardest bastards ever led an army into combat. Impossible to kill.
I agree
If Lincoln was a genius why did half the country get destroyed with a million dead?
@@raydukes4648 He was also the founder of that good ole social club called the KKK!!
A racist scumbag also..
I always loved Shelby's intelligence and southern drawl. I was so sad when he passed.
I could listen to Mr. Foote read from a supply list and be enthralled. What an amazing treasure he was!
A great historian and a World class storyteller.
Foote's commentaries were the BEST parts of one of the BEST documentaries ever made. I am saying this with my best Southern Gentleman's accent sir.
As a non-American I find your history amazingly compelling. I especially enjoy studying the Civil War. There were great men on both sides. I really enjoy listening to Shelby Foote. Embrace your history!
Sir a slight correction .....It was the war for Southern Independence and there was nothing civil about it.....750000 Americans stood and died for what they believed to be right.
I agree, the civil war is very interesting
@@pinslayer4579 ...No, it was the Civil War. You should know that all of that Lost Cause nonsense was debunked long ago.
@@pinslayer4579 People keep calling it a civil war. It wasn't a civil war. A civil war is when two sides are fighting to take over the same government. The South was fighting for independence just like the revolutionary war was about independence from Great Britain.
Nur die Harten kommen in den Garten their history is very interesting. It may not turn your crank, but to those of us who enjoy good historical accounts and have seen where the battles took place it is lessons learned. I would never presume to call denigrate another country's history. Btw, I am not even American, but I love the history.
My Mom was born in KY. And Shelby’s voice sounds like her dear uncle Robert who passed in the 80’s. He used to say we ( my sister and I) “were the puritiest girls he ever did see” everytime we went down to visit. His soft spoken velvety voice and accent could charm any girl. He also had a twinkle in his eyes that I have rarely seen since. RIP Robert
i can listen to him all day...
What a class act! Just wish I could have met him before he died.
He was a true gentleman in person.
I sold him clothes a few times in Memphis - he was a real pleasure to talk to and be around - we were all deeply saddened when he died
What a fine Southern gentleman. We could use Shelby Foote's stories now.
A criminal
@@mariocanfora9117What crime did Shelby Foote commit?
Shelby Foote has the Marvelous Southern talent of taking a trip to the grocery for a gallon of milk and converting it into a fabulous adventure. As a historian his talent was to convey a scene, the thoughts of men as if he sat among them. It's a wonderful talent but to a certain degree hides the horrors of that war. Crane's "Red Badge of Courage" scenes of decaying bodies; others convey a gut-shot soldier, the effectiveness of mini-balls... war is truly a horrendous thing we indulge. Yet we feel the need every so often confused by glory and patriotism.
He is not a historian. Read his biography. He said in his own words that he is not a historian. He is a novelist.
@shawnwilt7196 what's the difference?
This was my favorite anecdote of the entire series.
"That devil, Forrest" William Tecumseh Sherman
Sherman commented that he would sacrifice 10,000 men to capture Forrest.
If he was a general I think the south might of won the war
Sherman's statue is at the corner of E 59th and 5th Avenue, next to Central Park, in NYC. That is one statue I wish BLM vandals had torn down and destroyed.
@@raymorris6209 He was and they didn't.
@@ruthc8407 Why, are you still fighting the Civil War in Mississippi?
I am very proud to say my great grand parents and their siblings immigrated here from Ireland in 1858 to Tennessee and so got embroiled in a National conflict very quickly , all were in the 9th Tennessee Confederate Cavalry two of four were officers, one lost his left leg at Yellow Tavern but all survived the war. Many served under Brigadier General Earl Van Dorn, but highly spoke of Bedford Forrest as one of the greatest American Commanders that ever existed.
@Scott Riley Thank you for your comment.
@Doug Bevins Another war is coming Doug..forgiveness is a better solution.. you truly remind me of the descendants of the soldiers killed at little big horn who still send hate mail to the descendants of the indians that killed their forefathers.Ive heard the interviews from the Indians...hateful just hateful...get past it Doug.
@Doug Bevins I'm not reading your comment not one word.My family fought for the North and I have an 1864 Springfield with the bayonet handed down through my family...we delivered slaves.I love history and like to hear about it.The Confederacy is over and I wont listen to your hate.
Learn about forgiveness before hate eats you totally alive.I have no hate or animosity implied or felt in my comments and I bet the gentleman commenting on Ireland doesn't either.Have a good day Doug and goodbye.
Sorry, but Forrest was a Confederate commander.
What is striking to me is the letters from southern and northern soldiers. They had fewer years of schooling than today's 20 year-olds. But they wrote well and with great character and passion.
If we examined the letters of today's 20 year-olds living under similar circumstances, we would see the difference. A steady decline in morality and education.
A decline in morality? You are aware that one of those sides supported the idea that it was fine and dandy to own another human being, right? And neither side really believed in equality between the races. Perhaps you don't think that is a morality issue per se, but some other discussion, but the fact is our society today, for all of its faults, is still far more suited to developing a just system than the society of the 1860s. The war was fought because of that very thing. The Union was mostly fighting for an idealized version of "The Union", regarding a political system as if it were sacred and should not be touched, the Southerners mostly to preserve a cultural lifestyle that included a slave-owning aristocracy and not much social standing for anyone else. I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that the U.S. as a society has declined since 1860.
The ranks were rife with venereal diseases. "Morality", in the sense that you use the term, is an illusion. Speaking well does not equate to keeping it in your breeches.
@@mqbitsko25 So you believe that having sex before marriage condemns us to eternal hellfire and damnation.
The South was more Classics-oriented. Many people learned to read from the King James Bible. People are losing their culture because they cannot quote the KJV or the Declaration or other documents. And Antebellum is a Classical style of architecture, or Neo-Classical, I guess. If you wrote in that refined language now, they would say something was wrong.
So true.
Reminds me of a visit to Lee's childhood home, Stratford Hall. The tour guide mentioned that "The enemy" never stepped foot on Lee land.
Never stepped foot on Lee land? They converted his homestead ( albeit it came down from his wife's family) into Arlington National Cemetery.
Current frontrunner for understatement of the century ... "Southerners are very strange about that war."
Shelby Foote was a national treasure
Bedford Forrest was my uncle. My great, great grandfather Luxton's half brother.
My seventh-grade grandaddy foughtv under General Forrest.as a young Lt then Capt.
Yeah... sure he is. lol
I am 34 years old and my great grandfather lived to be 102 and as a kid i would listen to him tell stories he heard from his family about that war. Whenever he mentioned NBF (My family were Yankees mind you) he had an almost hushed reverence for the man, as if you said his name too loud he might appear
I am 34 years old and my great grandfather lived to be 102 and as a kid i would listen to him tell stories he heard from his family about that war. Whenever he mentioned NBF (My family were Yankees mind you) he had an almost hushed reverence for the man, as if you said his name too loud he might appear
That's nothing to brag about the man that founded the KKK and was behind the massacre of u.s. colored Troops after they surrendered I'm glad that the city of Memphis is taking down the Monument and kicking his scumbag remains out of the city limits!!!!😀😀
Man, I’d like to have had dinner with Mr. Foote. What a festinating person. He looks like a confederate officer himself. Imagine the stories he knew!
His Civil War Narrative trilogy is one of the best sources on the Civil War...period. While most other authors like to put either a Pro-Union or Pro Confederate bias in their works, Foote doesn't waste his time with trying to portray a message, he simply gives the history in a unique way that I've never seen another author do. His works are extremely underrated and I'd strongly recommend them.
Doug Bevins Lighten up, Francis.
Stories of rape and beatings and Lynching
@@brpitrepeters7983 that's the the "Union Angeles" everyone calls the Yankee army
If you were having dinner with Shelby Foote I would pay for both of y'all's meals and not even get to be there, just to say I payed for Shelby Footes supper ma'am.
I met a black gentleman at a Civil War show several years ago named Nelson Winbush. He was a life member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. His grandfather served in the Confederate army under Nathan Bedford Forrest and he was quite proud of the fact.
He should be be his ancestor is a hero a proud son of Dixie and the state of Tennessee.
@Ac Tion It's about as reliable as the nonsense you hear in elementary school from some of your peers. Totally agree.
@Ac Tion , there were absolutely black soldiers in the confederate army. It’s 100% documented. There were also free blacks living in the south and wealthy black slave owners.
@Ac Tion , there are videos on RUclips of former slaves being interviewed after audio recordings were invented. Many speak very fondly of their former masters. Today, people look at slavery as a situation created by and sustained by hate, and it simply wasn’t the case.
@Ac Tion Stockholm syndrome 40 years after freedom? No, that doesn’t happen, and your own prejudices and revisionist version of history are glaringly apparent.
Anything by Shelby Foote. Pray he is telling stories in heaven. Sadly missed here.
People seem to forget that two things can be true at once. Forrest very well could have been a genius as Foote says, certainly in the military domain, and also vile in his views. One does not preclude the other. You would be shocked at how many Nazis at Nuremberg scored incredibly high on their IQ tests, many of them hitting genius levels. Some of the worst ideas and worst crimes in history were perpetrated by people with genius-level intelligence.
The fact that Foote named Forrest and Lincoln together, despite them being at seemingly polar opposite ends of our morality scales means that Foote is objective enough to recognize genius wherever he sees it.
You seem to imply that Lincoln scores high in morality, even though he was a dictator…fascinating.
Same case with Stonewall Jackson. Brilliant military commander, dangerously insane human being.
@@bananapatch9118 here we go again with the lost cause nonsense
@@CK-iv1lq Foote’s not lost cause , just really strong Southern bias . Checkmate Linconites guy even gave him sort of tentative approval .
I find the comparison to Lincoln straight out of the 1860’s, there is no comparison, they are polar opposite’s morally and politically. You cannot separate the man from his deplorable actions, Forrest’s actions were an abomination! Comparing him to Lincoln is like comparing Hitler to Rosevelt! I am sure some ‘Conservative’ will believe that was a reasonable comparison!
Shelby Foote was being honest about Nathan Bedford Forrest's military abilities. The discussion was not about his character, flaws and all.
The issue was unless Sheridan, James H Wilson and Grierson, the Union did not find someone aggressive enough for Cavalry operations in the West or the east.
My favorite line in the series.
An amazing man and an amazing voice.
I wonder where that saber is now. I bet Shelby Foote felt a jolt on feeling the weight of it in his hands. I would have. To hold an existing relic of history like that.
Great Video! Love it!
The arguing in the comments go for it. Keep it civil I suppose. Anyway I always enjoyed this short anecdote from Shelby. Since the documentary was removed off Netflix I figured this be the perfect place for a minute video. Plus having family in South( I was Born and raised in MA) I always had interesting back and forth with Southerns. They always brought up the civil war. Foote’s last sentence here. He is 100% right.
@Nelson's Rudolph You are probably right.
Wise and Free - yeah, if you were black or catholic or Jewish or etc......
@@brianjennings1624 Hello Brian. If you didn't know. The first U.S. Congressman was assassinated by the KKK. James M. Hinds.
Brotherhood -- interesting. Didn’t know that but I’m not surprised
@Nelson's Rudolph He left the Klan.
love to hear him speak
Being from the south I never thought much of Abraham Linkum myself
R.I.P. Shelby Foote
I learned to love learning by the voices of those still connected to the story. Mr Foote was wonderful to listen to and knew his Ps from Qs. But, yes, he was -perhaps inescapably- a biased reporter.
What's that song they use whenever they talk about Forrest? I'd love to know the name
"My boy's wicked smart"
When change is needed and too long rejected and neglected, particularly change in oneself; when people lose their way and they don’t know it and don’t want to know it; when the momentum of history maintains their disorientation; they are apt to find an enemy and indulge in ecstatic paroxysms of destruction for its own sake. Of course, reasons are found to justify it all.
Does anyone else find it interesting that we are still fighting this war in 2020?
I think of that scene where the aging veterans of both sides met again on that hill, at that wall where many died in that disastrous charge in 1863. They shook hands and embraced in an act of reconciliation. For various reasons, mostly political, a second war may be coming.
@ihategoogle honestly the left just wants healthcare and for the government to do something about climate change. have a real conversation with a leftist and you realize they aren't all that much different, they just disagree on how to get there. the idea that they want to somehow take away freedom and become dictators is as laughable as the left leveling the same charge at the right.
"honestly the left just wants healthcare and for the government to do something about climate change."
Yeah. That's all the "left" wants. Climate change is a joke. Nobody cares. All of your ridiculous prognostications have failed to come true. Healthcare? LOL Obamacare is a total failure.
Unfortunately yes, of course we are also still fighting the crusades 10 centuries later ✌️
N O what a silly person you are.
A great historian- much missed in these divided times.
I’m disappointed with the removal of the dislike button. This video has plenty who disagree with Mr. Foote and the topic of NBF. Hell the South in general. Still everyone of you gave the video fair criticism. That like/disliked ratio proved it. Upsetting decision from Google.
Thank you all for your comments.
It's RUclips. Should we honestly care about the dislike or like button on RUclips?
This was more a clip about the attitude a lot of modern southerners still have about the war than it was about Forrest. And it's true. I put up a profile picture of Sherman on my Facebook profile for a while and got a lot of weird, negative comments I didn't understand until I saw this documentary.
But I'm sorry RUclips no longer allows you to rack up the down votes for simple knowledge being shared. Perhaps you would enjoy a religious fundamentalist country better, where dogma is rewarded over intellectualism. Like the rest of the devout wokeists.
Shelby Foote is a Southern Historian ,par excellence !
Wasn’t this the guy who founded the klan?
Yup. First Grand Wizard. People are on here talking like he's the second coming. They are all ridiculous racists.
U have no knowledge of the Klan. They were formed to protect the southern people. When is became racist, Forrest removed himself. The Klan was the north also.
@L Singletary Yeah--he didn't like the way the Klan was being run, so he tried to disband it. Lot of good that did. All those poor southern traitors in the 1860s...I just feel so bad for them.
No, he didn't found anything. He was asked to serve as a figure head for the group early when it was merely resistance to reconstruction policies. There was no 'grand wizard' at that time. When the original klan began to become violent he helped to disband it. He had no connection to the latter 20th century organization with the same name.
He didn't found it, but he joined it, and was definitely their first grand wizard. They got the title from northern newspapers calling him "the wizard of the saddle."
I miss Shelby Foote's wit, wisdom, and insight.
Notice you did not include the truth.
I wonder if people who always say confederate monuments are about history actually sit down and read about the Civil War or watch series like this?
I honestly don’t feel that strongly about them either way but l love learning the history from shows like this.
Everyone who wants to judge America's past should first sit down and listen to Shelby Foote.
wireless one and read his commentary on statuette history. The South lost, but the racism and hate lived on for too long. The monuments are there to remind people to ‘keep their station’ and are not history in themselves.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the monuments in their general existence. This war was fought all across this nation and is deeply woven into its history. The issue is the use of specifically confederate imagery , it validates that sides actions and it romanticizes it’s motivations as noble. The monuments to battles and notable individuals should remain, but should be neutral to either side and simply exist as a means of understanding, not justification
What do you think Jackson would have thought about his face being on a FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE?
The irony! 😂
Celts never forget.
LISTENING TO SHELBY FOOTE IS LIKE LICTENING TO SOMEONE THAT WAS THERE.
I like when quoting the simple word boys, particularly a term used in Celtic part of Britain and Ireland, but particularly in Wales, but sometimes the word boyo is used?🏴🇬🇧🏴
My favorite quote from Shelby, my only fear is that he purported lost cause propaganda and I fear the day that I may answer that question.
Nathan Forrest certainly had his faults like the rest of us both North & South. But he was a magnificent cavalry leader - perhaps the best ever. He always led from the front and the 29 horses shot out from under him paid the price. Nobody on either side ever doubted his tenacity and skill in battle which is why he earned the title "Wizard of the Saddle". All feared and respected him. He only finished the 6th grade and never had military training. His peers at the time who graduated from West Point looked down on him for his lack of education and refined upbringing and resented his successes on the battlefield. We need leaders like Nathan Bedford Forrest today to erase the wokeness being infected into our military.
Horse shit. Our military can’t operate without tolerance for all races and all religions and all sexual preferences. Nathan Forrest, a founding member of the KKK is everything this country and our military oppose, and so are you apparently.
@@charleshendrix232triggered wokie?
@@SamO-ik2cm weekend warrior chicken hawk?
I don't think we need anyone like Gen. Forrest again.
Awesome
Bedford Forrest captured my g-g grandfather at Thompson’s Station in 1863. Read a couple of bios, he was not a particularly good man, but he was a tactical genius
A tough man.
He was the best a man could be.
he doesn't consider Grant a genius for the Vicksburg campaign?
NBF was an outstanding cavalry officer and tactician, but didn't have the "saddle skills" of General Joseph O. Shelby and his troops who campaigned West of the Mississippi.
idk, Shelby tells that story of NBF swinging the union soldier up on his saddle to use him as a human shield as he was retreating from Shiloh. That's pretty impressive. Always thought the story was BS though lol
Is that why Forrest was called the Wizard of the Saddle? Did Shelby have 31 confirmed kills in hand to hand combat? Did Shelby capture more prisoners and supplies than any other General during the war? Is Shelby Third in line of having most Literature written about him than any other Civil War Figure only behind Lincoln and Lee? But much respect to Shelby and any man that fought against a invader.
@@kurtsherrick2066 You beat me to a reply. Excellent.
@@theknob1 I am sure Shelby was a great Horseman and leader. I was not disrespectful to Shelby because he deserves much adulation for his Courage and Ability to lead brave men. But I have read books on Forrest and there was no other Calvary General that surpassed Forrest. Not Stuart, Singleton the Grey ghost nor Shelby and for sure not a Union Calvary General but Buford was good and his heart was not into the war. He hated Politicians like Stonewall Jackson. War Profiteers. Thanks for your reply to me.
Then why was he known as "The Wizard Of The Saddle"?
The only person I read or listen to regarding the war.....,
Yeah, it's gonna be fun...
just did a video on a Nathan Bedford Forrest reunion CELLULOID I have, and a Duke tobacco add on my channel
I'd add Lee and Stonewall as military geniuses also.
Does Nathan Bedford Forrest
have any direct living descendants?
Yes. On another note, his Grandson, Nathan Bedford Forrest III was the 1st U.S. general killed in combat during World War II. He was flying a B17 Flying Fortress. He was leading the wing on a special mission. His plan was shot up. He stayed with the plane while his crew bailed out.
Would have liked for him to elaborate on his inclusion of lincoln. (Lower case intended)
Lincoln was a genius. He was also an extraordinarily great man. From what I can gather Forrest was a true military genius. A great man? Probably not. Being a genius and being a great man are two different characteristics.
Lincoln was an atheist, which means he was not too smart.
What would have happened if they had put Forrest in charge of Fort Donelson?
I so love Shelby Foote. He is now buried right beside the Forrest family plot.
Disassociated from the politics of Forrest, we're all here because Shelby Foote talks like music
I've heard Mr. Foote opine and I quote: " those who say the Civil War was about slavery and those who say it was not about slavery are both wrong".
Then how do you account for the articles of secession of every southern state specifically mention slavery ? Texas, Mississippi, Georgia and South Carolina all issued additional documents, usually referred to as the “Declarations of Causes," which explain their decision to leave the Union.
Mississippi: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth…
Texas: The servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations.
South Carolina: Those [Union] States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States.
Georgia: That reason was [the North's] fixed purpose to limit, restrain, and finally abolish slavery in the States where it exists. The South with great unanimity declared her purpose to resist the principle of prohibition to the last extremity.
@@jeffdworkin915 It was obviously about the institution of slavery and the dynamics surrounding it, but *why* did the institution of slavery become such an important issue? That's a bit more complicated.
@@noah2633 Interesting take. What do you see as the complication?
Thats why Foote is a fool and traitor to the South.
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Everything about him makes a true hero to me Erase the very little negativity and he was The perfect man. What a terrible shame that others can’t see the real MAN he was. Jesus loved him!!!
He was the Klan's first national leader. He was no "perfect man."
Please read the real history: The klan was formed to protect the then impoverished southern people. After the war there was a huge amount of lawlessness. LATER, it became used for suppression of the black people. Forrest soon left the klan and dismissed him self from the klan. And at that time he became open to black rights and voting. Please read the truth. It’s there it u would open ur eyes instead of what u “heard”
Oh yeah, the man who led the Ku Klux Klan and heavily contributed to the failure of reconstruction and the direct legal subjugation of Black Americans for the next ~100 years was suuuch a hero.
If Jesus loves a slaver, white supremicist and Klan leader then Jesus seems to have lost his marbles.
@@frederickhudson5017 Lmao
There are some strange thoughts here. Lincoln was not a traitor Sherman actually loved the south his job was to end the war as fast as possible pussyfooting around would have cost a lot more lives. During the 3rd Army drive through Germany a southern soldier made the comments (after seeing several of his comrades get gunned down in Germany after the town surrendered) Now I see what Sherman was about
Revisionist tripe
@@manilajohn0182 he's not listening. His replies aren't even addressing your central point. Leave the Lost Causer to his bitterness and if onlys.
@@manilajohn0182 The Union should not have invaded South Carolina C.S.A. territory. That act of aggression started the war of Northern Aggression.
@@theknob1 The Confederate bombardment of Fort Sumter ignited the war, my friend. That was ordered by Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
Grant and his evil lackey Sherman's March To The Sea, was an atrocity, waging war on helpless women and children, burning and destroying homes, stealing livestock, burning crops and leaving them with nothing, is a stain that can never be erased from the United States military. Confederate soldiers weren't even allowed to steal a pig from a civilian. Shameful and cowardly. If you can't beat them on the battlefield, terrorize their women and children, and burn them out.
It's a short clip. Does he give evidence as to why he thinks Forrest was a genius? I've heard Gary W. Gallagher disagree strongly with Foote's remark.
Gallagher's rationale (easy to find online) is a bit weird. He concedes that Forrest was "an excellent cavalry officer", but then goes on to say if he were given greater responsibility, he would have failed because he "lacked the administrative skills, temperament, and intellect to lead an army." What does a what-if scenario have to do with anything? The plain fact is that his enemies feared him greatly, just like the Allies in World War II were in awe of Rommel.
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One of America's greats devil forrest
He was a murderer
@@jjj1951 if your referring to Fort pillow then your wrong on the Believed idea of him being a murderer
Yes it’s hard not to fire back at someone firing at u!!!!
Definitely very strange!
They just renamed a high school in Jacksonville Florida that had been N.B. Forrest high school for as long as I can remember. Pisses me off..
People should be judged on their whole body of work. First grand master of the KKK is a bit of a red flag on the CV.
Never mind his command over the massacre at Fort Pillow, he was a slave catcher in his youth, a slave owner, very prosperous slave dealer, a pioneering employer of post war chain gangs, the murderer of a former slave, and a founding leader of the KKK: that’s Forrest’s civilian resume, the most disgraceful of any general, north or south.
The War of Northern Aggression was just that--a war of aggression against the South.
You know the rebels were making war on the U.S. before Lincoln was inaugurated, right? In some cases, even before they seceded....
...As they SHOULD BE...
Good ole boy Shelby kinda ignores the authentic genius's role in the KKK. Guess the "thrill" of sure swirling was just overwhelming.
Civil war doc by ken burns is ace
I find it interesting that Americans love villainous people. This man was a war criminal and a hero to many. Pretty f'ed up.
This is just not an American trait. Most societies in all cultures had similar views on those who fought in its Wars.
He was not a war criminal. That would be Sherman, Sheridan and Butler.
Who? Sherman?😮
I'd say the Fort Pillow massacre in itself makes Forrest a war criminal.
Lincoln couldn't hold a candle to Nathan Bedford Forrest. Shelby Footes opinion aside. Nathan Bedford Forrest actually lived with and fought with blacks when he was a southern General. 60 of his Elite Cavalry troops were black. He argued for bringing blacks into the fold of society did the Memphis city council when he tried to get them to hire blacks because they couldn't find skilled men to help their City. Easy to find, look it up one of the best speeches ever given arguing the equality of man.
@charlir wood being black didn't help either
@Nur die Harten kommen in den Garten interesting made up term.
Yeah and Forrest couldn't hold a candle to an A10 two different entities
@@malcolmmeer9761 where did that comment come from?
@@44hawk28 Lincoln was leading a country while Forrest was a decent small unit commander. Lincoln had to look at the big picture. Forrest was a seat of the pants leader he had good feel of battle. He didn't have to deal with 100s of 1000s of other men logistics etc etc. Trying to make a distinction between the extremes each faced. If things went south (pun) Forrest could skedaddle. Lincoln could not
Klan leader. Klan leader
So?
Not to mention Sherman's flaws...
War means fighting and fighting means killing
General Nathan B Forrest
'Tis a pity that General Forrest was not at Gettysburg as a Corps commander.
Instead of Ewell maybe...
Do you realize that Gettysburg was not a Union victory, it was a draw and was the first battle that the Confederates did not take the Union arms from the field after the battle. When Lincolns generals were called to Washington DC and Lincoln gathered them together and "congratulated" them on their "victory", the generals were to a man dumbfounded and shocked; they knew it was not a victory for anyone, but instead was a slaughter.
The confederates , were AMERICANS ALSO
Many abuse victims become attached to their abusers. The very rare ex slave who spoke fondly of their owners were also probably not field hands with whipping stripes their backs. You slavery apologists sound ridiculous.
Good point. I'd guess that for every slave who spoke fondly about their owner there was a thousand who ran away to join the Union army.
Forest is in reality a criminal is he not
Rest in Peace Mister Shelby Foote.
I find it extraordinary, one, that Shelby could compare Forrest to Lincoln, which is a ridiculous comparison, and, two, that his kin wouldn’t even see the compliment in the effort. Strange ways indeed. 1:02
Comparing natural genius in the worst of situations is all I think. Forest didn’t spend one day in West Point. And still won using brilliant tactics. Natural.
Why didn't Abraham Lincoln free the slaves in Tennessee ?
The war produced three authentic geniuses, I would add William Tecumseh Sherman to that list
Sherman was crazy😮
The sad fact is most Americans do not know the real history of Lincolns war, so Foote sounds reasonable, if you buy into the twisted Union history of the war.
Forest Gumps grandpappy.
Deo vindice and Tiochfaid ar la!
Lost causers in the comment section are going crazy.
Of course, you view anyone who doesn't view the American Civil War as a Manichean conflict between Good and Evil as a "Lost Causer."
If the South lost, why are so many yankees moving to Southern states?
Shelby Foote was a great story teller. But so far as the Civil War is concerned it seems he thought the only thing the South did wrong was lose the war.
A southerner talkin bout southerners.
To answer a previous question, we are here , in your state , "sir" because you feel it proper to enslave a human being as "property"....
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
Abraham Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley
I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of (censored for RUclips), nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality ... I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between (censored for RUclips) and white men.
Abraham Lincoln’s debate with Stephen Douglas
Both sides were bigots. The cause of the war was not the moral issue of slavery but instead the economic and political issue of slavery.
@@jalander8817 Wow, a man that had to appeal to a majority extremely racist voter base said a few racist things during a debate. Lincoln was always anti-slavery and pro-equality. He literally mentions in that same letter that he would LIKE to free the slaves but understands that holding the Union together is his primary concern. Hell, if I’m not mistaken, I believe he was already in the process of drafting the Emancipation Proclamation when he wrote that letter.
@@goonsquad8258 ha. You live in a fantasy world. The emancipation proclamation was intended to be an act of war and Lincoln was surprised when slaves didn’t rise up for their freedom. Btw slaver existed in a few Northern states after the War for Southern Independence was lost.
He was also actively meeting with people in his cabinet to talk about what is referred to in the literature as “colonization.” Which means rounding up people of color and shipping them to another country. That was how he wanted to deal with problem of black people. He also sold slaves.
Lincoln, like Churchill, was mostly just a well connected con man. Lincoln also was the first to jail people in the media who disagreed with him and merged the media and government. A free media has never returned.
Mythology dies hard.
Btw… I can like my own comment two seconds after I post it too.
@@goonsquad8258 Did you know Lincoln was the head of the organization in ILL that tried to remove blacks and send them to Africa or South America? Did you know Lincoln only spoke to one black when Lincoln was president and that was for fifteen minutes? Did you know Marx loved Lincoln and wrote glowing newspaper articles about Lincoln? Did you know that all but one Northern state forbid freed slaves from working in the Northern states? Did you know the Union army came very close to mutiny when Lincoln said he would free the slaves? Did you know Lincoln never freed one single slave?
Nathan Bedford Forrest.... This guy was the Guerilla fighter of all time....damn!!!!
The term "genius" is tossed around very frequently and often with little true basis, but NBF truly was a natural born, military genius. So sad what the revisionist have tried to do to him.
The popular trend is to call Pillow a massacre, but even the US govt could not find material worthy of a conviction of Forrest in post war hearings. He tried twice to get the Fort to surrender but the Federal Cmdr was drunk and incapable and his second took no action. Suggest a reading of "The Untutored Genius" by Professor Lonnie Manness.
Mark Choate I was stationed at Ft. Campbell while active duty and so I often had weekends off to go on roadtrips (anything to get away from post) and visited a lot of the battlefields in that theatre. It really stirred my interest in NBF. And yes, he was by far the most interesting and capable general to emerge from the western theater. He was truly expert in driving the Feds crazy. There is more to the postwar story than is told but of course, my fellow citizens do not like serious discussion in which they may be challenged to actually think. They would rather swallow the easily digestible versions they are fed. Just my opinion
Unfortunately, history is written by the winners.
Well said, Patrick and yes you are right that most folks just want to consume and quote the popular dribble that the liberals embrace. I'll be our friend, "dopey" just loves CNN and MSNBC, too....
@@michaelhart6318 totally agree, people tend to forget what Grant and Sherman did to the Indians before the Civil War! Shhhhh!!!
I agree the General was a brilliant man ,that president Shelby mentions here however was an evil man and not worthy of our attention