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What if our observable universe is just a bunch of light particles that came out of a solar storm/burst of a gigantic star??? The bursted particles moves away from each other at the speed of light and the rest of the objects are in non observable universe and are the so called early universes(that jwst exposed) and we somehow called this entire event as big bang...
does anyone have a clip of the person that hes referring to? I think in another vid, Chuck said that person appeared on PBS or something. I'm just curious to see lol
This is easily the most entertaining science program that i have ever watched. The chemistry between Neil and Chuck is so good that i laughed while gaining a great deal of knowledge. These are truly a treasure.
One of the smartest people I watch just said "I don't know the answer to that, we'll have to ask someone else." I can't quite put my finger on why that's so amazing to me.
I always say tell my kids it’s better to “know what you know, and know what you don’t know, and it’s always best to learn something new and ask questions”
I loved that. We don't see enough of that humility and self-awareness from normal folk. 😂and to see it displayed from one of the smartest, greatest minds is incredibly refreshing
It really shouldn't be. No serious scientist will be afraid of saying they don't know something. Because its those times when they get the most excited.
I tried watching an episode with comedians other than Chuck and I couldn't get through it. Chuck works so well because he's hilarious, and smart enough to follow the discussion and participate on a somewhat educated level, as well as a humorous one. His jokes are smarter than other comedians I've seen on the show. Love you chuck!
@@RafyPina I like ones with other scientists, especially ones that know different fields than Neil. The other comedians he has on occasionally are what I have an issue with. Some are OK, but none are as good, imo, as Chuck is in this particular content
I really liked the star talk live with eugene as host, with guests mayim bialik, Dr. Heather Berlin, Michael Ian Black, Paul Rudd and bill nye, check it out!
You can change the perceived red shift of the photon by changing your reference frame. For example, if you move closer to a black hole, you’ll see the photon red shifted. This means the redshift of the photon is a consequence of your observation of the photon, not a change in the inherent properties of the photon.
But isn't the very nature of redshift something that can't happen to a single photon? Redshift is an increase in wavelength, ie: a longer period between photons. IOW, it's a decrease in the frequency of the light. The single photon doesn't have a _frequency_ though: it only happens once. So the photon (particle) doesn't experience redshift, the _waveform_ experiences redshift.
@@billmcdonough3950 the same photon will have a be perceived to have a different redshift depending on how fast you’re moving with respect to the photon. Just like there’s only one electron in the universe (they’re all identical to each other) there’s only one photon in the universe (They’re all identical to each other). One way to see this is to remember that the wavelength of a photon is inversely proportional to its momentum, and the relative momentum of a photon is dependent on the momentum of an observer. If the observer is flying toward the source of the photon really quickly he will perceive the momentum of the photon traveling toward him to be very high and thus the wavelength very small (blue shifted), but if the observer is flying very quickly away from the source of the photon he will observe the photon to have a much smaller momentum and to be redshifted.
precisely. and therefore, from this principle, you can know that photons either have no intrinsic energy level, ALL intrinsic energy levels, or both of these states simultaneously. well done, Mr. Reilly.
Love the expanse drop. Right when he said flip and burn, I was yelling "the expanse!!" So glad he said it in the discussion. The expanse is the best show ever, highly recommend. Good books too.
I'm still rewatching the Expanse series the umpteenth time and I can't get over it. It's over three years now since the first time I finished watching. The science in it esp. rocket dynamics quite legit and that's why I keep going back. I just love the science in it. Beltalowda, tenye wa chesh gut!
Hi Mr. Degrasse....I've been watching you since I was in school & you were on the cosmo show & just so happy to be able to continue learning from you & you are the reason I fell in love with science & biology!!! Believe it or not but you've been a big part of my quest of knowledge of the "COSMOS"
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What if our observable universe is just a bunch of light particles that came out of a solar storm/burst of a gigantic star??? The bursted particles moves away from each other at the speed of light and the rest of the objects are in non observable universe and are the so called early universes(that jwst exposed) and we somehow called this entire event as big bang...
Depends on the technology we're trying to fool. We can't pretend it's empty space because of Earth's gravitational pull. Maybe just a field that can fool sensors into believing Earth is a biohazard. "Stay Away!" (Like humans aren't enough of one.)
@@StarTalk satellites shaped in a sphere high above earth that creates a false atmosphere dispensing whatever chemicals and gases that we look for that indicate NO signs of life (hide the oxygen!) and the false atmosphere should also refract light too
@@HedonisticPuritan-mp6xv The books are amazing. The show sets up a lot in the first season, even as events unfold, and REALLY takes off in the second season, constantly upping the stakes.
He knows the answer, he just didn't think about it long enough. From the photon's perspective, there is no redshift. From a photons perspective, I believe the energy is the same from Planck's constant.
@@shaunanderson158 Give him a chance. I admittedly wasn't a big fan when I first started this show, but he grows on you and adds a good dynamic to the show.
He has great energy, but he can get a little annoying...with all due respect to him. 14:11 for example, the finishing Neil’s sentences as he’s trying to get a point out. I understand that’s done to show he’s following the conversation, I just personally find that stuff a little annoying. But I do enjoy them as a duo for the most part.
I love the combination of you both. Y’all make incredibly complex science so much easier to understand and so enjoyable to listen to. I love it here .👏🏽👏🏽
"Ad astra", In full. "per aspera ad astra" (through rough roads to the stars) was an aphorism used since Roman times (it was coined by Seneca the younger). That's what puts in on the Kansas state flag, not actual star travel.
To add to the discussion on whether the universe is inside a black whole… if you add up all the mass in the universe and consider the amount of space it occupies, it would suggest that we are in a black whole with an event horizon up to 10 times the size of the observable universe.
I'm late to the party but since you are at the center of your observable universe it would mean that you are at the singularity of a black hole. And so basically any point in space would be a singularity since it is at the center of its own 93 billion light-years sphere of observable universe. So either the observable universe is not a black hole and it's just a fun fact that its "barrier" and the event horizon behave the same, or black holes don't have any singularity at their center. I'm leaning towards the former since there are other facts about black holes that doesn't fit my observation of the universe (matter distribution, tidal forces, etc)
@@benjaminnavarro865 actually I made a mistake in my original comment. If you add up all the matter in the universe it suggests we’re in a black hole up to 10 times the size of the observable universe. Matter distribution is not an issue, we have no idea of the actual structure inside an event horizon, it could be relatively evenly distributed, or it could truly be a singularity, this is unknown at present. You should watch Kurzgesagt’s video “This black hole could be bigger than the universe”
11:06 The red shifting of the photon is due to the expansion of fabric of space-time itself and not from the photon experiencing time. The phenomenon is called cosmological redshift and is a major piece of evidence supporting the theory of expanding universe and the Big Bang. Love the show btw ❤
@@JaguarBST the energy of photon is described by its wavelength and the length itself is relative, so yes relativity is indeed involved, but there is more: Not only the photon absorbed the moment it emitted but also from the photon perspective it travels 0 distance (space contraction), so from your perspective space stretched but from the photon perspective It did not cross any distance. please note, it is only my understanding about the topic, I am not an expert in the field and there is a reason for Dr Tyson to not answer the question yet
Heck yes with the photon question! If I had stumped Neil DeGrasse Tyson, that would go on my resume’. English/Spanish Bilingual fluency, BA in business, 5 years upper management blah blah, once stumped NGT, competent in Excel.
From the photon's perspective, nothing changed and no time passed. We simply experience the photon differently than the people who emitted it... we and they can do this because neither are traveling at c and time does pass for us. Each peak and trough of the photon's wave is frozen in time, but both the emitter and detector see each peak and trough at different times -- and the relative motion/gravitation between us shifts those peaks/troughs closer together or further apart.
Why would you expect that photon's speed c makes it incapable of perceiving anything? At least those instances create variants with end points for that photon. And those variants perceive it in some way.
Neil Hopefully you see this but I just wanted to thank you for being an inspiration to me growing up and now moving into getting my Doctorate in Clinical Laboratory Sciences. You are who made me understand that being a Lifelong Learner is fun and encouraged and have interests in many different types of sciences is not a bad thing. ❤❤Thank you for being and inspiration and one of my sciences heroes to this day!
I love how Neil talks about what CAN theoretically happen at a black hole based on mathematics of general relativity and then says “noone has tested this.” I appreciate the honesty because some people like to act as if what we know about black holes is factual, when you have just proved that we can only speak theoretically about it and not say it’s factual. I wish this came out like 10 years ago when I was debating an astronomy major about what actually happens at a black hole. He was so stuck in saying “x, then y, then z” with 100% certainty, as if anything about black holes has been proven as factual. I kept probing “how can we know for sure? Who has seen this? What equipment has been proof of this?” He just got deeper stuck in his position 😂😂😂😂😂 ❤
Inside a black hole, the core, known as the singularity, is where gravity is so intense that it bends space and time to an extreme degree, leading to infinite density. Surrounding this is the event horizon, the boundary beyond which nothing can escape. Given these extreme conditions, how can scientists even begin to study what happens at or beyond the event horizon?
There's a bit of a circular case here. Indeed, to your point, nobody can ever do empirical science inside a black hole and get that information out to people on the outside. Instead, we do empirical science on the observable universe and model how it works mathematically, both general Relativity and quantum mechanics. Then we can see what the mathematical models predict happens inside the black hole. This is more or less what Neil says @14:10. It is a best guess based on the best evidence, but the accuracy is limited by how good the mathematical models are. On the one hand, we might argue that we can't ever know how accurate it is since we can't ever test inside a black hole and get the info out. On the other hand, our prediction of the existence of black holes, which we have confirmed empirically, and that you can't get the information out comes from those mathematical models. If those models are inaccurate about what goes on inside a black hole then they can also be innacruate about the ability to get information out. If we accept that you can't get information out from the models, why would we not accept the other conclusions of the same models. We a can't empirically prove that you can't get information out because if True we can't get the empirical proof out. At this point it is Occam's Razor. If we can't get info out, all we can do is model and the accuracy is irrelevant because what goes on inside can't affect us outside. If we can get info out, then we can improve the models, so we keep collecting evidence to find out where the models break down.
My answer would be around this line: The photon doesn't feel any different, no time has passed. Instead the environment (the detector/eye) looks shifted to blue. It is all relative.
@@intotron6708 Would it though? The redshift is the result of two objects moving away from each other. Why would one side be red shifted and the other blue shifted? They are still increasing their distance, independent from the side you use as reference.
I would like to have a StarTalk on the edge of the observable universe and the edge of the event horizon of a blackhole having the same mathematical properties. This indicating we are possibly inside a black hole blew my mind.
I’m not a great communicator like Neil, but I find it’s actually (to me, at least) very simple if you think abuit it logically. Due to the speed of light, and the expansion of the universe, we can never send a signal that will even reach, much less cross, the edge of the observable universe, the same way that, inside of a black hole, you can never send a signal that would reach or cross the event horizon, or that you can never actually observe a signal enter a black hole is you’re outside of it. Additionally, as we look toward that event horizon, what we see is, essentially, the entire history of the universe, the same way you would as if you were falling into a black hole you would see the entire future of your universe. Mathematically, everything checks out, but, where we usually think of the math from the perspective of being outside the black hole, we have to take the inverse numbers because we are inside it, like being on the other side of an asymptote on a graph, which is what the graph of a black hole’s mathematics actually looks like as you approach the event horizon.
I see a logical contradiction in this analogy: We are, by definition, in the center of the observable universe. Someone, at half the distance to the edge of our observable universe, would also be in the center of their observable universe. Inside of a black hole, I think, everybody will agree on one, and only one edge and one center.
@@humbleguy9908 Good thinking. After thinking about this topic myself, my brain broke even more about the idea of the possibility of being inside a black hole inside a black hole inside a black hole, etc.
Oh my oh my, if only every gain of knowledge would be this entertaining... really, Neil and Chuck together is just pure fun WHILST being educational and sadly it's the FIRST TIME I put these two words together through my 30 years of existence. I don't know if it's sad or tragic
Chuck is too hilarious! Also have to say I definitely had some crazy good gumbo when I was down in Louisiana and Mississippi working on the Rail Road! Between the local cuisine, atmosphere and energy from the people, and all of the cool history there's a lot to love down there.
I became familiar with Niel Tyson when I saw a clip of Terrence Howan speaking on reinventing math. So I did some research and found his response on this page. I'm glad I did. Surprisingly entertained by stuff I would never think I would. I'm probably the dumbest subscriber, but I find myself educated after watching these videos. And Chuck is great, the balance between them works.
That photon and time dilation question was so cool, and one of the few times I struggled at first! Not that I can be sure but I have a theory as to why this could be happening. The wavelength change of the photon doesn't have any correlation to time, but is entirely connected to the expansion of space. Meaning that as a photon travels, space around it expands continually, changing its wavelength
I really liked the short advertisement at the beginning of this video. it was appreciated that there was no spoken words telling me to "BUY THE THING!" before I've even seen the content of this video.
@ 9:10 The photon isn't red-shifted if you are static with respect to the object that emitted it; you only get the shift because your frame of reference is moving away; when it's detected, you are subtracting the difference in energy between the two frames. The photon itself doesn't actually shift, just your perception of it, which is when you extract its energy at the moment of its destruction.
11:00 I think I saw someone explaining red shift on some other channel. The reason why a photon's wavelength has changed traveling through the space is not because the time has passed for it, but the space itself is expanding. So by the time those photons are observed on the earth, the wavelength has increased.
About the question regarding photons and red shifting: If something acting upon the photon potentially causes it to experience time, could the same not be said of gravity causing its path to curve? The photon would experience stretching instead of steering as it travels through the expanding universe, so I would think they are similar in that regard. I would imagine as long as the photon is not stopped/observed, it doesn't register what the outside forces acting upon it actually do, with regards to the time aspect.
I agree with you. I think it has more to do with frame of reference than with what the photon itself feels. You noticing a red shift is a consequence of your observation, not a change in the inherent properties of the photon. It's possible that it (the photon) may not notice that anything different is happening.
neil mentioning that the horizon of the observable universe is identical to event horizons got me thinking about how we all have our own individual horizons, and wondering if that also means that "we" aka our atoms(&quarks) are all made of "singularities" at the center of our own universes? and if so, is every photon, Lighting every singular Event we Observe, simply falling At us, at the speed of light, aka the terminal velocity of photons "Falling" into Our black hole universe?
How do we nominate Neil De Grasse Tyson for the Nobel Peace prize? As an Australian of Caucasian descent I’d like to say in these times of social and civil unrest, especially with what we are seeing in the UK with extremist and racial ideologies on all sides on the rise, I turn to my man, Neil De Grasse Tyson to remind me that good exists in all of us. So thank you sir, for just being a good man.
Also as someone who can be as stubborn as Chuck, it cracks me up every time he says “right” to Neil 😂 I know from personal experience of doing this that he is not telling Mr. Tyson he is right but is telling himself out loud that what he said previously has been confirmed as right 😂 God bless Chuck
I think it happens because of the expansion of the universe artificially moving us away by creating space(very likely wrong that one)? Or expanding the light itself basicly redshifting it either way as time passes. Btw black holes can blueshift light if it travels toward the direction its spinning by the same principle basicly doing opposite of what expansion of universe does.
@@Jay-ft3xh It's still worth watching for scientific near future fact/fiction/idiocy and for someone who knows a bit about stuff to talk about it. I read the books and that was fine, but It was nice to see some almost maybe realism on the screen,
Man I just love playing this on my phone in the kitchen while I prepare breakfast and coffee ☕️. Then sitting at the table absorbing all the knowledge and humor between my favorite duo in the youtubiverse 🌌 ❤
Looking at the stars gives you a sense of peace, now while looking start to question how big the Universe is. I always stop pretty quick because it's overwhelming and start looking at the stars again.The concept of the Universe is godlike.
😂 Love the humor, the succinctness and depth that Neil provides, and the interplay between the two of them. 28:33 Chuck going off on Neil shooting down his apple seed analogy 🤣
Hi guys, I was about to compliment you both etc... Then it hit me, Your formula here, The 2 of you...I am able to learn and remember everything I just learned from Dr Tyson. I've been studying deep science most of my life, always taxing on the memory ,Requires maximum effort. For some reason , During Star talk, All info goes in easy, and stays ! OMG ! Thank You , So much, Sincerely Mike Reilly
If it wouldn’t bore you, please consider a for “dummies” episode, with the most interesting topics in your opinion, but explained very plainly. I would love it!
Regarding the question concerning the red-shifted photon, I would suggest that the frequency shift caused by motion happens to the observer, not the source. Going back to the acoustics analog [yeah, I know, I know], the frequency of the siren on the ambulance does not change because of the vehicle's motion. That frequency shift is what the person standing on the side of the road detects.
Sooo if the universe is a black hole, then matter falling into the black hole's singularity in space should be identical to the universe's expansion away from the big bang singularity in time
My hypothesis is that all mass taken in throughout the black holes existence "arrives" past the singularity all at once as time "kicks off" again past the event horizon. Essentially a "big bang". And when a black hole decays away via hawking radiation that's equivalent to heat death from the outside.
@@Reivehnthat's interesting. The first part makes total sense, the Hawking Radiation part is a bit wobbly because heat death doesn't involve losing energy from the system in our current understanding
10:04 the double slit experiment and the photoelectric could be used to answer this question, photons could be red shifting from changes in time and also from pulsing light creating a frequency change when light interacts with itself across time, light is basically ripples in the surface tension between electrons, a single beam; the photon ripples harmonize but when in a pulse the frequency can be manipulated. almost as if in a pulsing light system the light reflects on itself through time
Douglas Adams described flying as falling at the ground and missing. Not sure about flying, but that is a really precise and accurate description of orbiting. You are constantly accelerating towards earth, but missing it due to having a perpendicular velocity.
This would prove macrocosm/microcosm. Basically Russian nesting doll theory. If our universe is in a black hole, then that black hole has to be in a universe, which could also be in a black hole, which is also in a universe perpetually to infinity.
If quantum entanglement is caused by particles interacting, at what scale does that no hold true? The entirety of the universe is connected via fields.
I’d recommend reading up on Bell’s inequality. It might hold some answers as to why quantum entanglement even occurs. As to answer at which scale this doesn’t occur? I don’t have the answer for that sadly. 🥲
For your answer on the question "does our universe exist inside a black hole?" I have a counter question. As you said our observable universe horizon emits similar properties as the event horizon of a black hole, and evidently we know that our universe is expanding constantly. Do black holes also have the same properties on their potential expansion? Would that counter the answer you gave or support it?
@35:30 The randomness of encryption only applies to message contents. The carrier protocols, that is the routing information or the filesystem, has to be decipherable so the message gets where it needs to go or the reader knows where to read. Cryptography is not meant to hide the existence of a message, only the contents. The envelope still needs a stamp and an address, as it were.
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What if our observable universe is just a bunch of light particles that came out of a solar storm/burst of a gigantic star???
The bursted particles moves away from each other at the speed of light and the rest of the objects are in non observable universe and are the so called early universes(that jwst exposed) and we somehow called this entire event as big bang...
Can you guys do a live stream please?! ❤
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The photon doesn't experience the redshift because space is causing the change in frequency
The answer to the question is that it is strange.
Having Neil is Nice. Having Chuck is Necessary. The secret ingredient of Galactic Gumbo. ....gairronntee 😂
🙂I think it is more the other way around. Without Neal setting the context, Chuck's participating humor while entertaining is incidental
does anyone have a clip of the person that hes referring to? I think in another vid, Chuck said that person appeared on PBS or something. I'm just curious to see lol
But wait...I thought Chuck was the one who's a "Nice" ? So havin' Neil is Necessary and Chuck Nice is the Spice! 🧂🤣🤣
@@tyrone4u559 The joke
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This is easily the most entertaining science program that i have ever watched. The chemistry between Neil and Chuck is so good that i laughed while gaining a great deal of knowledge. These are truly a treasure.
Agreed
Unfortunately Neil is wrong about most everything he says, or at the least very misleading
Anton peterov and pbs space time 👍👍
Dont disrespect Bill Nye like that. Lol But this program is awesome..
@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic How?
One of the smartest people I watch just said "I don't know the answer to that, we'll have to ask someone else."
I can't quite put my finger on why that's so amazing to me.
Some people think that their intelligence is because of what they know. But real intelligence is trying to understand what you don’t know.
I always say tell my kids it’s better to “know what you know, and know what you don’t know, and it’s always best to learn something new and ask questions”
I loved that. We don't see enough of that humility and self-awareness from normal folk. 😂and to see it displayed from one of the smartest, greatest minds is incredibly refreshing
It really shouldn't be. No serious scientist will be afraid of saying they don't know something. Because its those times when they get the most excited.
@@2centschangeA very thoughtful response man, that makes a lot of sense.
I love it when Neil laughs. It just seems so genuine. The full body laugh.
I tried watching an episode with comedians other than Chuck and I couldn't get through it. Chuck works so well because he's hilarious, and smart enough to follow the discussion and participate on a somewhat educated level, as well as a humorous one. His jokes are smarter than other comedians I've seen on the show.
Love you chuck!
What other comedians?
I can't watch most of the episodes with other scientists. Chuck is gold.
@@RafyPina I like ones with other scientists, especially ones that know different fields than Neil. The other comedians he has on occasionally are what I have an issue with. Some are OK, but none are as good, imo, as Chuck is in this particular content
I really liked the star talk live with eugene as host, with guests mayim bialik, Dr. Heather Berlin, Michael Ian Black, Paul Rudd and bill nye, check it out!
Chuck definitely outshines all the others.
Perfect duo, Chuck plays his role perfectly as a funny layman and Neil can explain things so simply.
You can change the perceived red shift of the photon by changing your reference frame. For example, if you move closer to a black hole, you’ll see the photon red shifted. This means the redshift of the photon is a consequence of your observation of the photon, not a change in the inherent properties of the photon.
Not gonna lie but this is honestly a very valid and sound answer. Well done! 👏👏
yeah.
But isn't the very nature of redshift something that can't happen to a single photon? Redshift is an increase in wavelength, ie: a longer period between photons. IOW, it's a decrease in the frequency of the light. The single photon doesn't have a _frequency_ though: it only happens once. So the photon (particle) doesn't experience redshift, the _waveform_ experiences redshift.
@@billmcdonough3950 the same photon will have a be perceived to have a different redshift depending on how fast you’re moving with respect to the photon. Just like there’s only one electron in the universe (they’re all identical to each other) there’s only one photon in the universe (They’re all identical to each other). One way to see this is to remember that the wavelength of a photon is inversely proportional to its momentum, and the relative momentum of a photon is dependent on the momentum of an observer. If the observer is flying toward the source of the photon really quickly he will perceive the momentum of the photon traveling toward him to be very high and thus the wavelength very small (blue shifted), but if the observer is flying very quickly away from the source of the photon he will observe the photon to have a much smaller momentum and to be redshifted.
precisely.
and therefore, from this principle, you can know that photons either have no intrinsic energy level, ALL intrinsic energy levels, or both of these states simultaneously.
well done, Mr. Reilly.
This is one of my favorite shows on RUclips! I’m hooked, and I cannot lie.😂
I’m only 40 seconds in and Chuck has me rolling on the floor 😂
😂😅
I guarantee!!! 😂😂😂
40 seconds in and I'm fast forwarding his lame, corny jokes.
Lol, Sir Nice always brings his A game!
Protect Chuck at all costs
These two are the absolute perfect combo to listen to.
Love the expanse drop. Right when he said flip and burn, I was yelling "the expanse!!" So glad he said it in the discussion. The expanse is the best show ever, highly recommend. Good books too.
I always feel excited when The Expanse is name dropped. Beltalowdas deserve all the recognition they can get.
I'm still rewatching the Expanse series the umpteenth time and I can't get over it. It's over three years now since the first time I finished watching. The science in it esp. rocket dynamics quite legit and that's why I keep going back. I just love the science in it. Beltalowda, tenye wa chesh gut!
@@martinmiz Fodabelt, beratna!
@@snowarist You should read the books too.
@@martinmiz I hope to, someday...
Hi Mr. Degrasse....I've been watching you since I was in school & you were on the cosmo show & just so happy to be able to continue learning from you & you are the reason I fell in love with science & biology!!! Believe it or not but you've been a big part of my quest of knowledge of the "COSMOS"
If Earth needed to hide from prying eyes in the cosmos, what kind of technology do you think we could use for planetary cloaking? 🛸🔍 Drop your wildest ideas below-let's see how creative our StarTalk community can get!
One big mirror
What if our observable universe is just a bunch of light particles that came out of a solar storm/burst of a gigantic star???
The bursted particles moves away from each other at the speed of light and the rest of the objects are in non observable universe and are the so called early universes(that jwst exposed) and we somehow called this entire event as big bang...
Depends on the technology we're trying to fool. We can't pretend it's empty space because of Earth's gravitational pull. Maybe just a field that can fool sensors into believing Earth is a biohazard. "Stay Away!" (Like humans aren't enough of one.)
Retro reflector panels
@@StarTalk satellites shaped in a sphere high above earth that creates a false atmosphere dispensing whatever chemicals and gases that we look for that indicate NO signs of life (hide the oxygen!) and the false atmosphere should also refract light too
The Expanse is just the best scifi show, period. Enthralled the entire time. Book series is even better.
@@HedonisticPuritan-mp6xv The books are amazing. The show sets up a lot in the first season, even as events unfold, and REALLY takes off in the second season, constantly upping the stakes.
Have to say, I think this is the first time I have seen NdGT stumped on a question regarding the photon vs time dilation. Good question.
Yeah, it was a great question. I hope it pops up with an answer in another video.
He knows the answer, he just didn't think about it long enough. From the photon's perspective, there is no redshift. From a photons perspective, I believe the energy is the same from Planck's constant.
@@litrehead Exactly, the dilation and the redshift are aspects of the same property, and 'unseen' from the photon's subjective reference frame.
The universe continues to amaze us
Love hearing Neil and Chuck
Chuck is a beast, love this guy, he gives the show life
He makes it annoying
@@shaunanderson158 Well you make the comments section annoying, lol
@@shaunanderson158 Give him a chance. I admittedly wasn't a big fan when I first started this show, but he grows on you and adds a good dynamic to the show.
He has great energy, but he can get a little annoying...with all due respect to him.
14:11 for example, the finishing Neil’s sentences as he’s trying to get a point out. I understand that’s done to show he’s following the conversation, I just personally find that stuff a little annoying. But I do enjoy them as a duo for the most part.
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I love the combination of you both. Y’all make incredibly complex science so much easier to understand and so enjoyable to listen to. I love it here .👏🏽👏🏽
"Ad astra", In full. "per aspera ad astra" (through rough roads to the stars) was an aphorism used since Roman times (it was coined by Seneca the younger). That's what puts in on the Kansas state flag, not actual star travel.
*through?
@@drbunheada224 yup, corrected
To add to the discussion on whether the universe is inside a black whole… if you add up all the mass in the universe and consider the amount of space it occupies, it would suggest that we are in a black whole with an event horizon up to 10 times the size of the observable universe.
I'm late to the party but since you are at the center of your observable universe it would mean that you are at the singularity of a black hole. And so basically any point in space would be a singularity since it is at the center of its own 93 billion light-years sphere of observable universe. So either the observable universe is not a black hole and it's just a fun fact that its "barrier" and the event horizon behave the same, or black holes don't have any singularity at their center. I'm leaning towards the former since there are other facts about black holes that doesn't fit my observation of the universe (matter distribution, tidal forces, etc)
@@benjaminnavarro865 actually I made a mistake in my original comment. If you add up all the matter in the universe it suggests we’re in a black hole up to 10 times the size of the observable universe. Matter distribution is not an issue, we have no idea of the actual structure inside an event horizon, it could be relatively evenly distributed, or it could truly be a singularity, this is unknown at present. You should watch Kurzgesagt’s video “This black hole could be bigger than the universe”
11:06 The red shifting of the photon is due to the expansion of fabric of space-time itself and not from the photon experiencing time. The phenomenon is called cosmological redshift and is a major piece of evidence supporting the theory of expanding universe and the Big Bang. Love the show btw ❤
Good explanation
it's getting "spaghettified" as it falls through our observable universe's "event" horizon, and towards our individual singularities
Photon: really!? I got red shifted! I thought everything shrinked including space 😂
@@Hassane_B wait so it’s all about perspective?
*always has been*
@@JaguarBST the energy of photon is described by its wavelength and the length itself is relative, so yes relativity is indeed involved, but there is more:
Not only the photon absorbed the moment it emitted but also from the photon perspective it travels 0 distance (space contraction), so from your perspective space stretched but from the photon perspective It did not cross any distance.
please note, it is only my understanding about the topic, I am not an expert in the field and there is a reason for Dr Tyson to not answer the question yet
I was conviced for years now that we are in a blackhole. Thanks for the video
Heck yes with the photon question! If I had stumped Neil DeGrasse Tyson, that would go on my resume’. English/Spanish Bilingual fluency, BA in business, 5 years upper management blah blah, once stumped NGT, competent in Excel.
Best science channel on youtube, right here !!!
From the photon's perspective, nothing changed and no time passed. We simply experience the photon differently than the people who emitted it... we and they can do this because neither are traveling at c and time does pass for us. Each peak and trough of the photon's wave is frozen in time, but both the emitter and detector see each peak and trough at different times -- and the relative motion/gravitation between us shifts those peaks/troughs closer together or further apart.
Why would you expect that photon's speed c makes it incapable of perceiving anything? At least those instances create variants with end points for that photon. And those variants perceive it in some way.
Like the doppler effect then?
Neil Hopefully you see this but I just wanted to thank you for being an inspiration to me growing up and now moving into getting my Doctorate in Clinical Laboratory Sciences. You are who made me understand that being a Lifelong Learner is fun and encouraged and have interests in many different types of sciences is not a bad thing. ❤❤Thank you for being and inspiration and one of my sciences heroes to this day!
great shout - The Expanse is an absolutely BRILLIANT show
Agreed, very good show. I absolutely love how realistic the future shown in it is.
I must watch this show " The Expanse "
@Charles-eb7bs You won't regret it if you like sci-fi and you'll like it even more if you find astrophysics interesting. Go for it!
I love how Neil talks about what CAN theoretically happen at a black hole based on mathematics of general relativity and then says “noone has tested this.”
I appreciate the honesty because some people like to act as if what we know about black holes is factual, when you have just proved that we can only speak theoretically about it and not say it’s factual.
I wish this came out like 10 years ago when I was debating an astronomy major about what actually happens at a black hole. He was so stuck in saying “x, then y, then z” with 100% certainty, as if anything about black holes has been proven as factual. I kept probing “how can we know for sure? Who has seen this? What equipment has been proof of this?” He just got deeper stuck in his position 😂😂😂😂😂 ❤
22:20 is the funniest moment in this shows history
100%
Two hilarious jokes in the cork-quark section
Chuck is a great example of how you never get too old to learn new things.
The expanse is a good show especially when it comes to having things that you'd imagine how real space ships would have
Inside a black hole, the core, known as the singularity, is where gravity is so intense that it bends space and time to an extreme degree, leading to infinite density. Surrounding this is the event horizon, the boundary beyond which nothing can escape. Given these extreme conditions, how can scientists even begin to study what happens at or beyond the event horizon?
There's a bit of a circular case here.
Indeed, to your point, nobody can ever do empirical science inside a black hole and get that information out to people on the outside.
Instead, we do empirical science on the observable universe and model how it works mathematically, both general Relativity and quantum mechanics. Then we can see what the mathematical models predict happens inside the black hole. This is more or less what Neil says @14:10. It is a best guess based on the best evidence, but the accuracy is limited by how good the mathematical models are.
On the one hand, we might argue that we can't ever know how accurate it is since we can't ever test inside a black hole and get the info out. On the other hand, our prediction of the existence of black holes, which we have confirmed empirically, and that you can't get the information out comes from those mathematical models. If those models are inaccurate about what goes on inside a black hole then they can also be innacruate about the ability to get information out. If we accept that you can't get information out from the models, why would we not accept the other conclusions of the same models. We a can't empirically prove that you can't get information out because if True we can't get the empirical proof out.
At this point it is Occam's Razor. If we can't get info out, all we can do is model and the accuracy is irrelevant because what goes on inside can't affect us outside. If we can get info out, then we can improve the models, so we keep collecting evidence to find out where the models break down.
The photon question was actually really good
My answer would be around this line: The photon doesn't feel any different, no time has passed. Instead the environment (the detector/eye) looks shifted to blue. It is all relative.
@@intotron6708 Would it though? The redshift is the result of two objects moving away from each other. Why would one side be red shifted and the other blue shifted? They are still increasing their distance, independent from the side you use as reference.
Because it's relative.
yeah, really cool to simulate. Beginpoint -> Endpoint + observer and time as measurement tool.
it's redshifted but it's stretched, the energy is the same
I would like to have a StarTalk on the edge of the observable universe and the edge of the event horizon of a blackhole having the same mathematical properties. This indicating we are possibly inside a black hole blew my mind.
I’m not a great communicator like Neil, but I find it’s actually (to me, at least) very simple if you think abuit it logically.
Due to the speed of light, and the expansion of the universe, we can never send a signal that will even reach, much less cross, the edge of the observable universe, the same way that, inside of a black hole, you can never send a signal that would reach or cross the event horizon, or that you can never actually observe a signal enter a black hole is you’re outside of it.
Additionally, as we look toward that event horizon, what we see is, essentially, the entire history of the universe, the same way you would as if you were falling into a black hole you would see the entire future of your universe.
Mathematically, everything checks out, but, where we usually think of the math from the perspective of being outside the black hole, we have to take the inverse numbers because we are inside it, like being on the other side of an asymptote on a graph, which is what the graph of a black hole’s mathematics actually looks like as you approach the event horizon.
I see a logical contradiction in this analogy: We are, by definition, in the center of the observable universe. Someone, at half the distance to the edge of our observable universe, would also be in the center of their observable universe. Inside of a black hole, I think, everybody will agree on one, and only one edge and one center.
@@humbleguy9908 Good thinking. After thinking about this topic myself, my brain broke even more about the idea of the possibility of being inside a black hole inside a black hole inside a black hole, etc.
I had a lot to say but that "Hey Neil maybe Chuck" has me completely losing it 😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
“What’s he know that i don’t know?!” 🤣
Send a video of how hard you are laughing.
Oh my oh my, if only every gain of knowledge would be this entertaining... really, Neil and Chuck together is just pure fun WHILST being educational and sadly it's the FIRST TIME I put these two words together through my 30 years of existence.
I don't know if it's sad or tragic
Chuck is too hilarious! Also have to say I definitely had some crazy good gumbo when I was down in Louisiana and Mississippi working on the Rail Road! Between the local cuisine, atmosphere and energy from the people, and all of the cool history there's a lot to love down there.
I became familiar with Niel Tyson when I saw a clip of Terrence Howan speaking on reinventing math. So I did some research and found his response on this page. I'm glad I did. Surprisingly entertained by stuff I would never think I would. I'm probably the dumbest subscriber, but I find myself educated after watching these videos. And Chuck is great, the balance between them works.
29:27 thanks for letting that in mr editor !
I want to know what happened after that.
@@darreneriksen Apparently Neil had to be reset.
Neil.exe has stopped working
That photon and time dilation question was so cool, and one of the few times I struggled at first!
Not that I can be sure but I have a theory as to why this could be happening.
The wavelength change of the photon doesn't have any correlation to time, but is entirely connected to the expansion of space. Meaning that as a photon travels, space around it expands continually, changing its wavelength
"somebody get me an edible." looks around lmao
I really liked the short advertisement at the beginning of this video. it was appreciated that there was no spoken words telling me to "BUY THE THING!" before I've even seen the content of this video.
@ 9:10 The photon isn't red-shifted if you are static with respect to the object that emitted it; you only get the shift because your frame of reference is moving away; when it's detected, you are subtracting the difference in energy between the two frames. The photon itself doesn't actually shift, just your perception of it, which is when you extract its energy at the moment of its destruction.
I was a kid in the 70s. We all used cb radios. There was thing called a skip. We could talk to people across continents.
11:00 I think I saw someone explaining red shift on some other channel. The reason why a photon's wavelength has changed traveling through the space is not because the time has passed for it, but the space itself is expanding. So by the time those photons are observed on the earth, the wavelength has increased.
😅😂 Love the Q&As. Always a good day with Neil and Chuck.
5:10 "Ad Astra" means "to the stars" and it's written on the Kansas's Flag. And then Chuck made me .. chucking 😂
About the question regarding photons and red shifting:
If something acting upon the photon potentially causes it to experience time, could the same not be said of gravity causing its path to curve?
The photon would experience stretching instead of steering as it travels through the expanding universe, so I would think they are similar in that regard. I would imagine as long as the photon is not stopped/observed, it doesn't register what the outside forces acting upon it actually do, with regards to the time aspect.
I agree with you. I think it has more to do with frame of reference than with what the photon itself feels. You noticing a red shift is a consequence of your observation, not a change in the inherent properties of the photon. It's possible that it (the photon) may not notice that anything different is happening.
neil mentioning that the horizon of the observable universe is identical to event horizons got me thinking about how we all have our own individual horizons, and wondering if that also means that "we" aka our atoms(&quarks) are all made of "singularities" at the center of our own universes? and if so, is every photon, Lighting every singular Event we Observe, simply falling At us, at the speed of light, aka the terminal velocity of photons "Falling" into Our black hole universe?
Thanks guys, your talking brought out of my brain ether Nighthawk "quirk, strangeness and charm". A great proto-punk album from 1977.
How do we nominate Neil De Grasse Tyson for the Nobel Peace prize? As an Australian of Caucasian descent I’d like to say in these times of social and civil unrest, especially with what we are seeing in the UK with extremist and racial ideologies on all sides on the rise, I turn to my man, Neil De Grasse Tyson to remind me that good exists in all of us. So thank you sir, for just being a good man.
Also as someone who can be as stubborn as Chuck, it cracks me up every time he says “right” to Neil 😂 I know from personal experience of doing this that he is not telling Mr. Tyson he is right but is telling himself out loud that what he said previously has been confirmed as right 😂 God bless Chuck
I've never seen NGT stumped before. That was actually awesome! What a great question. Would love to see the follow up on this one.
You know it’s good question when Neil needs to take time to think on it. Startalk keeps me curious! 11:59
I think it happens because of the expansion of the universe artificially moving us away by creating space(very likely wrong that one)? Or expanding the light itself basicly redshifting it either way as time passes. Btw black holes can blueshift light if it travels toward the direction its spinning by the same principle basicly doing opposite of what expansion of universe does.
As a child, I read Tin Tin 'On a marché sur la Lune' a lot. And there they showed artificial gravity kicking in or out when the engine was engaged.
I can't believe Neil has not watched The Expanse!!!
Cause most television resembles youtube guides. 30 minute video for 3 minutes of information.
@@Jay-ft3xh neil tends to watch any popular media with science involved.
I thought he had to be honest, think it was Dr Becky though who had a look into it.
@@Jay-ft3xh It's still worth watching for scientific near future fact/fiction/idiocy and for someone who knows a bit about stuff to talk about it. I read the books and that was fine, but It was nice to see some almost maybe realism on the screen,
He also has not watch Three Body Problem
you guys laughing together is soooo wholesome - on top of learning some cool space facts??? yes please!!!! Love these.
Lmao chuck got me laughing right out the bat
Neil makes it so easy to understand complex topics
Always a good time with Papa Neil and Uncle Chuck
Man I just love playing this on my phone in the kitchen while I prepare breakfast and coffee ☕️. Then sitting at the table absorbing all the knowledge and humor between my favorite duo in the youtubiverse 🌌 ❤
the expanse also had scenes where everyone had to secure for the mid-journey flip - turn off the engines, flip 180°, turn them on again.
Plus, it's just cool to say "flip and burn"
Looking at the stars gives you a sense of peace, now while looking start to question how big the Universe is. I always stop pretty quick because it's overwhelming and start looking at the stars again.The concept of the Universe is godlike.
Star Talk aways brightens my mood when a new episode comes out
This is my favorite show frfr. These two are hilarious chuck is unstoppable
Love watching your videos ❤ thanks guys
That might be the best in video commercial I've ever seen on RUclips. Babbel should pay that man extra. The rest of the video is great too as always.
chuck was on fire today XD
Chuck makes me feel like yall eat really nice treats and meals before each one of these videos. 😂
Never thought I would hear Dr. Tyson reference Beavis and Butthead much less hear chuck's Cornholio impression.😂
😂 Love the humor, the succinctness and depth that Neil provides, and the interplay between the two of them. 28:33 Chuck going off on Neil shooting down his apple seed analogy 🤣
Omg i had to pause in the first minute. Chuck had me dieng of laughter!!!!!! That new orleans southern accent hilarious!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'v heard that bit too many times.
Hi guys, I was about to compliment you both etc... Then it hit me, Your formula here, The 2 of you...I am able to learn and remember everything I just learned from Dr Tyson. I've been studying deep science most of my life, always taxing on the memory ,Requires maximum effort. For some reason , During Star talk, All info goes in easy, and stays ! OMG ! Thank You , So much, Sincerely Mike Reilly
That gumbo bit at the beginning was hilarious. 🤣
If it wouldn’t bore you, please consider a for “dummies” episode, with the most interesting topics in your opinion, but explained very plainly. I would love it!
Hello Guys I hope your both well. I love this show Oh so much.
It always kills me how much Neil laughs at Chuck. Good combo here.. love @StarTalk!
Edible at 16:20 time stamp 😂
Regarding the question concerning the red-shifted photon, I would suggest that the frequency shift caused by motion happens to the observer, not the source. Going back to the acoustics analog [yeah, I know, I know], the frequency of the siren on the ambulance does not change because of the vehicle's motion. That frequency shift is what the person standing on the side of the road detects.
“Someone get me an edible” “apparently you didn’t need one😂😂”
the more I watch this with chuck the more enjoy having him on this show. he understands this more than his character on this show.
Neil and Chuck for 2028!
I like these two. You not only learn a lot of great things, and your learning is accompanied with humor.
Sooo if the universe is a black hole, then matter falling into the black hole's singularity in space should be identical to the universe's expansion away from the big bang singularity in time
My hypothesis is that all mass taken in throughout the black holes existence "arrives" past the singularity all at once as time "kicks off" again past the event horizon. Essentially a "big bang". And when a black hole decays away via hawking radiation that's equivalent to heat death from the outside.
@@Reivehnthat's interesting. The first part makes total sense, the Hawking Radiation part is a bit wobbly because heat death doesn't involve losing energy from the system in our current understanding
10:04 the double slit experiment and the photoelectric could be used to answer this question, photons could be red shifting from changes in time and also from pulsing light creating a frequency change when light interacts with itself across time, light is basically ripples in the surface tension between electrons, a single beam; the photon ripples harmonize but when in a pulse the frequency can be manipulated. almost as if in a pulsing light system the light reflects on itself through time
29:28
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Mad respect for Neil for putting on even question he doesn't have an answer to. Not cowardly editing it out.
wtf was that edit at 29:26 😭😭😭😭😭
Douglas Adams described flying as falling at the ground and missing. Not sure about flying, but that is a really precise and accurate description of orbiting. You are constantly accelerating towards earth, but missing it due to having a perpendicular velocity.
This would prove macrocosm/microcosm. Basically Russian nesting doll theory. If our universe is in a black hole, then that black hole has to be in a universe, which could also be in a black hole, which is also in a universe perpetually to infinity.
Fractal
@@johnnuaxon3 holy guacamole
I swear Chuck takes edibles before every episode, and maybe Neil too because he laughs at everything he says😅
Neil unlikely, has to remember like everything.
@Maulfurion true, but Chuck is sus lmaoo I love it.
Neil always looks high to me😂
Naa chuck is a comedian and neil just has naturally low eyelids and chill demeanor
Found this channel! Better late than never.... That was great! So excited to learn and re-learn. 🎉
16:07 had me dying 😭
My condolences to your family
I've always been a Chuck fan. His Cornholio just rocked my universe!
If quantum entanglement is caused by particles interacting, at what scale does that no hold true? The entirety of the universe is connected via fields.
does entanglement have anything to do with how photons don't experience time through their journey from their beginning and end locale?
I’d recommend reading up on Bell’s inequality. It might hold some answers as to why quantum entanglement even occurs. As to answer at which scale this doesn’t occur? I don’t have the answer for that sadly. 🥲
For your answer on the question "does our universe exist inside a black hole?" I have a counter question. As you said our observable universe horizon emits similar properties as the event horizon of a black hole, and evidently we know that our universe is expanding constantly. Do black holes also have the same properties on their potential expansion? Would that counter the answer you gave or support it?
Imagine black hole as bathtub drain. The expanding universe is where the water(dark energy) is flowing
Wine quark, I'm dying 😂😂😂
When that quark is popped, things begin to feel charmed and strange
I’m loving these StarTalk episodes way more than I did Cosmos, and I thought Cosmos was great!
Who else is actually here to listen to Chuck’s jokes? 😂
I come hear to hear NDT. If I want comedy I'll go to Comedy Central. They have much better comedians.
@35:30 The randomness of encryption only applies to message contents. The carrier protocols, that is the routing information or the filesystem, has to be decipherable so the message gets where it needs to go or the reader knows where to read. Cryptography is not meant to hide the existence of a message, only the contents. The envelope still needs a stamp and an address, as it were.
As a Canadian watching this, the strangest matter has got to be trump. 😂😂
Hilarious you say that over your own socialist dictator
Seek therapy. Normal humans don't associate any and every topic with one man.
As a Canadian, I like Trump. 😮