Billy Corgan On NWA Competing With AEW & WWE, What He Learned from Dixie Carter, Matt Cardona
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2025
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Billy Corgan (@billycorgan) is the lead singer of The Smashing Pumpkins and also the owner and promoter of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). He joins Chris Van Vliet to talk about the upcoming NWA 74 event in St. Louis, how wrestling is both similar and different to the wrestling industry, his thoughts on whether NWA can compete with WWE and AEW, Matt Cardona winning the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship and then getting injured in GCW, what he learning from his time working at IMPACT Wrestling with Dixie Carter, being referenced on Family Guy and much more!
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When God creates good interviewers, He creates them in the likeness of Chris
As a 42 year old who has always loved wrestling and Smashing Pumpkins, I never imagined that Corgan would be the guy he is now. It's pretty awesome. Much respect.
I happen, like you, to be part of the apparently small percentage of Pumpkins fans who also love wrestling. So I love it when two of my favourite things collide like this.
Pumpkins and wrestling fan here. 30 years ago I never would have ever thought they would come together in this manner. Life is a trip.
@@pinkribbonskies5731same same!!
The TEN POUNDS OF GOLD series and LUCHA UNDERGROUND are what saved and renewed my 35+ year love of wrestling. I even really liked TNA when Billy was in creative.
It’s crazy that the guy behind my favorite 90s band is also the guy behind one of my favorite current pro wrestling promotions. And just for the record, I was always an NWA guy, I grew up in Houston, so WCCW, HOUSTON WRESTLING, and other NWA territories were what I grew up on and loved, even when “New York” expanded, I was an NWA hold out.
I’m really glad that Billy is keeping up the legacy of the NWA, and providing the “boys (and girls)” another place to shine and earn a living.
I heard nick got treated poorly by him. He spoke on it recently on k100 podcast. Now maybe billy has a different take but nick claims he did a lot for free to promote them without any type of deal
Billy Corgan has proven one thing with the NWA. He knows how to put on an excellent wrestling product.He has put on, one hell of a wrestling product indeed. He is right about different football, and basketball leagues different from the NFL and NBA. In pro wrestling, football, and basketball, there is a lot of talent out there. God Bless Billy Corgan and the NWA! My favorite promotion!!!!!!
I'm a Pumpkins fan but I like hearing Billy talk about wrestling. His love and passion for it makes it entertaining.
This is one of your best interview Chris
Billy has already won. Even if NWA never produces another MINUTE of content, he has beat WWE. He took a dead brand, and I mean GRAVEYARD DEAD, resurrected it, made it relevant, and is competing, talent wise, with all of them !!! God bless you Billy and THANK YOU !!!!
Billy talking about the music industry or wrestling industry is alway fascinating. What a brilliant mind.
Cool chat, dude. I'm glad NWA is where it is at this point in its life, especially the fact that they brought it back to RUclips for everyone to enjoy. Billy is doing some solid stuff with that company and it's nice to see NWA thriving in it's own way.
The NWA may a WWE training school in a few months. Smh.
This was an awesome interview Chris! I wish you a happy and peaceful weekend.
I waited till the end of the interview to post a comment. I really respect what Billy is doing with the NWA. Rebuilding a forgotten brand has to be difficult. I don't think that it's impossible though. It looks like he's in it for the long haul. That's probably what is required to bring the NWA back to prominence.
Well the NWA rebuild has been terrible so far and cheap looking.
@@jcriniti2644 they are not going to regain national prominence.
Billy should see if HHH is willing to work on some things together.
I think Hunter should open up a door to see if NWA and/or Impact is open to some sort working relationship.q
@@paladynius I do not ever see Hunter working with them because they are basically just a bad indie. I think what they should do is work with AEW. Just like back in the day when WCW and the NWA worked together and had 2 world titles they could do that with AEW and then NWA not only gets on prime time but it would be interesting because AEW has basically no rules so having NWA sanctioned matches could lead to some different matches where we get a more traditional wrestling match with a lot better talent than the NWA currently has on the roster.
@@jcriniti2644 WCW and NWA didn't work together.
WCW broke from the NWA. When they had both belts in WCW, the old NWA big gold belt ended up being called the International Title.
The NWA was dead. That's why they went and had the famous night with Douglas in ECW. WCW just wanted to use the Big Gold Belt as their world title again because they stopped using it from 91-93/94.
@@paladynius It was called the International title after they stopped working together. Back in 1992 WCW hosted the NWA tag title tournament and Masa Chono defended the NWA title vs Rick Rude in WCW plus other NWA title defenses lol. Dont you remember? They worked together from 1992 until 1993.
Thanks to Billy Corgan for saving NWA
Aged well 😂😂
What a great conversation. Billy has such a great mind for both businesses and seems laid back to just sit back and talk about the biz.
Amazing Video Interview ! Chris !
I like the Smashing Pumpkins. Billy Corgan seems nice
I like the Pumpkins, AND the NWA!
Loved this interview, actually didn't know much about the NWA, checking them out now! Such a great conversation as always!
I’ve been watching since 2019 and for the most part I love it. It’s actual wrestling.
NWA Wrestling = Godfather of Wrestling promotions. A legendary historic Brand. 🍷
Shit…on the Smashing Pumpkins level…
No other music from my teen years FEEL the same. Yeah, I love White Zombie too, but still…
But SP, it’s my ABSOLUTE favorite rock band from that era. And still, I still love that sound to this day, it makes me cry, it makes me FEEL…and it’s AWESOME ‼️
This was a fresh interview, Chris. You asked excellent questions and mixing the topics up gave the whole presentation a unique look. It moves at a perfect pace imo.
This is the 3rd or 4th interview of yours I've seen and I'm hooked. I gotta subscribe!
When I think of the NWA now, Ricky Starks is the first thing that comes to mind. That guy is a main eventer, and the NWA is a big part of his development.
Thunder Rosa as well
Love Ricky Starks during his time in NWA Powerrr. And now he is a full-blown pro wrestling star. Thanks to NWA for that.
Exactly, NWA has introduced me to so a couple of stars. I didn't know who Eddie Kingston was until he was in NWA, I first saw Ricky Starks and Thunder Rosa there, and I was introduced to Eli Drake in 2018 but he started to become one of my favourties in NWA (yeaaaaah!!)
The Pandemic really hurt the NWA. That seemed like they really had some momentum going when it hit.
@@toddsmods.623 Yes that's so true, I remember the early episodes they had a very strong roster of wrestlers, and the venue and the crowd atmosphere was unique, fun and refreshing. It was arguably my favourite wrestling show before the pandemic and AEW at the time. Once the pandemic hit it lost a lot of that.
It's back on track now since all their PPVs have been great but could have been bigger than what it is now if it wasn't for the pandemic.
Chris is such a great interviewer
Im 43 and i consider myself the hugest Pumpkins fan growing up.
I still have a passing interest in wrestling now, but it’s more nostalgia for the WWE Attitude era, and I still love listening to Siamese Dream and Melon Collie.
Cant say I enjoy NWA (or much of modern wrestling for that matter), but huge respect and best of luck to Billy Corgan and all the staff and talent of NWA nontheless.
Rock music and wrestling go hand in hand. It's entertainment and there are larger than life characters. Kiss is a perfect example.
That's the point of the name. The National Wrestling Alliance. Let's get together people, for the love of wrestling.
The Smashing Pumpkins the rock group Billy also founded and he ruled The '90s MTV WOW!!!!
🙌
billy is so smart. love this guy.
GREAT interview. I've always appreciated BC as a musician and rasslin' fan. Also, Chris, have you ever been involved in an on-screen angle? Wouldn't that be awesome? Like, you're interviewing someone and a heel just rudely interrupts and it becomes an angle? License to print cash, baby.
Always smiling and asking good questions
Just popped in past on this video and ended up watching the whole thing, very interesting and insightful convo
As a Smashing Pumpkins fan since Gish and a Wrestling fan since i was a kid.... Growing up watching Mid South and Georgia Championship Wrestling.... Great to see NWA back....
NWA FOREVER‼️
SMASHING PUMPKINS FOREVER‼️
Thanks for this interview!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@ChrisVanVliet I really did. I'm one of those few that comes from both sides. (BTW: The guitar work in the NWA themes is fantastic! Corgan really is a jack of all trades. He could have been a Joe Satriani!)
Mayonnaise, favorite song ever! Oh I'm supposed to be here for wrestling....😏
Such a great song!
Great interview as always cvv. Billy Corgan seems like a very intelligent person. Breakaway basketball league. That seems interesting. That never even crossed my mind.
Chris what happened with your situation on AEW ? Could we see you pop up in NWA?
Love the video I would love to hear Tiffany Stratton or toxic attraction on your podcast someday
@CVV, I grew up on the Pumpkins too. Gish, Siamese Dreams, Melancholy. Man those where the days! Also the same era I fell in love with wrestling. I find it crazy that people don't know the correlation between Billy and NWA. Most of my circle is metal heads and wrestling nerds. 😔😂
I would disagree with Billy on one point ... I think there are a lot of Pumpkins fans that love wrestling out there, and I am one of them. In fact, I think Billy has been part of the rebirth for me. What he has done in NWA, the arrival of AEW, the revival of TNA and the added ease of access to NJPW ... wrestling fans are in heaven when it comes to ring action!
NWA's first run of Powerrr and the first few PPV's were REALLY STRONG. Then the shutdowns happened. NWA's comeback was a bit bumpy. Several major talents had jumped ship.......and new talents needed some time to situate and find their stride. At present, the NWA product is quite good....... and worth checking out.
I hope we have more company vs company PPV’s in the near future.
This is probably the least I’ve ever heard Chris talk Billy just don’t let anybody get a word and he’s just going, boy!!
This was really Kool 💯👍😎👍
We need an NWA app!
Sad Billy Corgan riding the roller coaster at Disneyland was hilarious.
Great looking beard, Keep stylin & Profilin Chris! 👍👍
..and a comment for the algorithim! Grateful for You!
How did you become a wrestling fan?
@@wrestlingcommunity Stampede Wrestling 1987 live in Red Deer,Ab. Owen Hart was on the rise...
NWA is a great product!
Well he does have a point. I watch NWA almost everyday. I also watch it exclusively on the TELEVISION that’s hanging on my wall.
Bring back the territories Billy! Im a pumpkins fan and a wrestling fan. We can do this! (but you probably need a different booker after that Samhain ppv)
You're talking to literally a musician. A popular one aswell
I'm surprised billy didn't bring up ovw. They have more television now than almost everybody else with Jessie Godderz and James Storm and Mahabali Shera on top. They are on about half dozen tv networks and supposedly will be premiering on netflix soon too. Nwa doesn't have any tv at all.They should probably try to emulate the ovw model but hey, what do I know.
Is OVW paying all of the production costs? Is OVW paying for the timeslots/streaming? What's the score on advertising? They getting a chunk?
I'm guessing these answers have influenced Billy's slow and steady pace. Especially with the plandemic getting thrown in the mix.
I believe NWA is doing well some of their shows have bigger spaces than Impact Wrestling. Now if he would add some type of entrance it would look better
NWA had finally got some decent momemtum going a few years ago until lockdowns derailed them
I AM THE OVERLAP
Chris! Love the channel man. Is there a way you can get me in contact with Billy? Been a life long wrestling/Smashing Pumpkins fan and I’d like to work with him!
What happened to his left arm
I'm huge nwa fan I fell is top promotion of pro wrestling
Liking for the beard
🙏🧔🏻♂️
Impact still shoots out of order and you don’t see the backstage interviews and promos at the tapings.
Good video
If Billy is ahead of the game now he might want to hire a business manage or two to help cut down his hours. Unless he likes the pace of course.
It’s cool what he’s done with the NWA it’s a cool brand but he’s def gonna need to up the production value if he goes to a different streaming platform or TV. The lack of music and lightening makes it sometimes hard to watch.
I feel like getting a deal with some rights or production costs would alleviate that. I think Billy intentionally runs lean and mean by necessity because he doesn’t have a bottomless pile of cash like his competitors in WWE and AEW. Anthem doesn’t have the pile those do either but it’s hard to truly know since their info isn’t public. But one would think they have pretty strong access to liquid funds when seeing that they acquired the network they’re on which includes Mark Cuban and Steve Harvey as investors. And they have a head of a credit firm on their board, which firm has providing their financing to acquire AXS and HDNet. I think in that context it makes sense why it is the way it is now and why I think it would be reasonable that some of those things could change were Billy given funds to allocate to those things. What was always maddening was how poor of production ROH always had even when they were purchased by Sinclair because in theory the money to improve production was actually there but never provided and/or used.
Good interview. Good interviewer.. but a hat indoors ??? Expecting rain ?
A hat indoors? What are you, a 90 year old grandmother? Who cares?
I'm still a little bitter at Billy for allowing the situation with Cornette to result in him leaving. His comment wasn't racist. In fact, to think that the comment was racist, is racist. It is that individual who is being racist. We ALL have to pretend that starving kids from Ethiopia needing our money wasn't aired constantly for decades. So Jim is racist? Not the Liberal Group exploiting them?
You do not get it do you? So making jokes about starving kids in Ethiopia is cool? You would not like someone to make jokes about you & your kids if you could not provide for them, would you? Not only can it be seen as racist but also very ignorant. Why? Because Fried Chicken is NOT apart of Ethiopian people's diet & cuisines, that is part of the black American diet. So that alone can made it look racist, because it is like saying that all black people eat, dress & live life the same way across the world. It seems like you do not understand that, nor do Jim Cornette.
@@amazing50000 🤣😂🤣😂you said fried chicken is part of the Black American diet. 🤣😂🤣😂 fried chicken is part of the American diet. 🤣😂🤣😂
That's why this country is so fat.
Boy, you sound like a college educated liberal if I've ever heard one. Easily offended and feeling oppressed by words. Don't be so weak minded, Snowflake. I use snowflake because I don't know your pronouns. 🤣😂🤣😂
He didn’t even make him leave. They apologized for his poor chosen comment and Jim got mad that they apologized and chose to quit. Was Billy supposed to tell him he could say whatever short-sighted comment he wanted without any consequences whatsoever in perpetuity? Because if you look at Jim’s comments surrounding the fallout of this that seems to be the only thing he would’ve been happy with. Even if you take the racist aspect out it was a stupid joke to make. Was it funny in the 80s? I guess. It was a different time. But it was a silly comment to make and Jim deciding that he needed to resign than ever apologize for an outdated comment that was poorly chosen isn’t on Billy.
@@Matt-cr4vv wow, you sound like soft little chump. There was nothing to apologize for. Stop acting like Black People are so fragile that they can't take a joke. It's racist.
So I'm guessing the former TNA/current WWE main eventer that didn't want to put others over was... Bobby Lashley.
Problem for the nwa unless get a real deal and can pay decent..he will be looked at as developmental for aew likely. That will make it hard to ever get a deal when stars are plucked. Tiny did it to him before
Tyrus on the #1 late night talk show.
That's impressive.
#NWA
#thankyoubilly
Well, you know what they say, the world IS a vampire
Sent to drain?
Secret destroyers?
WWE will not acknowledge AEW unless they get a better TV deal or start drawing like a 1.5 rating consistently. Right now, acknowledging them would just draw them viewers.
Nice
Very nice!
nwa still can't compete with the wwe and aew, but nwa is in the same cituation impact wrestling is in getting more eyes on the product even though they are on a tv network.
You should have asked Billy in what timeline does Trevor Murdoch vs Tyrus in the year 2022 sound like "yea that works" because that ain't it chief.
Just watch and enjoy
Haha
Buy your own wrestling company and then we'll care about your booking.
@@hey12358y Billy already did that and nobody cares so...
billy...I disagree with you . You don't have a weekly show. so no you aren't on TV
I saw you on the Brad Lea tv channel. I am going to answer your question about wrestling being fake. Then you said it's like watching a movie. Ok this is where you are really wrong. When you watch a movie, it's not live. So therefore the actors or actresses portraying said characters are done really well. You can take anyone of any age to preform any sort of feat. Wrestling you can not do that. They have limitations.
I'll give you a couple of examples here. Ok so take Black Widow in Iron Man 2. So the fight scene where she takes down 20 men. It looks really impressive & believable. Gal Gadot who plays Wonder Woman she's just taking Men down with ease. She took down doomsday in the Batman vs Superman movie. So a guy that is as huge as a Brock Lesnar.
WWE wrestling, I've never seen Ronda Rousey beating Brock Lesnar & win clean. I never see that. Why? It's scripted, you said it's exactly like movies yet they won't do that for whatever reason.
Then I believe you said, when you watch a wrestling match you don't know who's going to win or lose. You said that with a straight face. Are you kidding? You are the no 1 wrestling fan I would say or a huge one because you interview wrestlers & that. It's 80-90 % predictable. You know who's going to win, you know who they push as top guys, what's not to know?
Wrestling has a lot of limitations. Not everyone can wrestle like a Sammy Guevera doing 450 splashes, Richochet or a guy like Kenny Omega pulling awesome moves. Name recognition that's who mainly wins in AEW. By that I mean ex wwe talent. Plus it's on for like 5 + hours a week or more. On every weeks with pay per views every month. That's a major problem in wrestling.
Movies are done way better because they don't have limitations like wrestling.
Fixers Rule!!! 🇺🇲💪
This did not age well, as Billy Corgan may be considering his NWA promotion becoming a WWE training school.
Billy is the one one who would ever be seen in an NWA Powerrr shirt lol. Dixie Carter ran a company better.
LOL you've got to be kidding. That had nothing to do with Dixie Carter. That was because TNA at the time had Don West who was a brilliant sales guy.
@@SpeedChamp467 Either way Billy Corgan is the worst wrestling promoter there ever was.
Gotta say @chris Corgan very specific said he's here as a wrestling guy, and said he wants to focus on that, but you kept dragging him back to music
Billy is a mark
*Smart mark 👌👍
I feel like billy means well but a little delusional. When your champions are former wwe jobbers and then you have tyrus that can barely walk but he’s a major nwa champion because he’s on Fox News and can promote the show for billy, that’s just dumb imo. Plus running shows with 20 people in the crowd is a real bad look. He should realize not all his ideas are good, ego is a hell of a drug.
I don't know about that. Billy started the interview by saying that his goal is to lay the groundwork for a new NWA. A groundwork that will allow the NWA to be successful in the future. He seems pretty real about how hard it is to start a new wrestling promotion.
Dude, you already know that it's not fair to call Cardona a jobber.
Everyone knew that he got punished heavily in WWE because he had IT. But Vince didn't want it. He was booked purposely to not be able to get over again. How is that a traditional jobber?
Who could he reasonably have as his champions that would please you? He doesn’t have a budget to exclusively sign major names. So his choice is to have some former WWE guys be at that mantle, and maybe lapsed WWE fans give the show a chance to see what that guy is up to now, or he can throw an unknown in that spot. And if he did that then you’d likely say he’s delusional because nobody has a clue who his major champions are. He’s damned no matter what he does. Even when companies do sign big WWE names it isn’t good enough. Look at TNA back in the days where they seemed to sign every WWE guy. Or look at AEW now. What is the realistic choice? Any guy at the top level in WWE comes at a price he can’t afford. His only chance with WWE guys are people like a Cardona who weren’t used in a way to be top guys in WWE. And if your standard is as you’ve laid it out nothing he can do will ever be the right move.
Gotta be honest here but the NWA today is nothing more than an Indie promotion. Billy should be honest about that if he wants to move forward.
I dont get it. Y?
How does that help or not help with going forward?
Nothing wrong with being an indie promotion.
Wwe is a big brand. But it doesn't justify their ridiculous, garbage, juvenile content.
I'd rather watch a small indie pro wrestling event, than a ridiculous, LED screen-filled, wwe sports entertainment show.
Those are for kids.
2nd
Get away from that horrible outdated studio concept and move it into a actual building
He switches between buildings.
@@CarlosXPhone the product still feels outdated at least implement old school booking into the product but not too much nostalgia make it a more of newer Generation of wrestling sign a distribution deal with CBS Sports or the sundance Network
@@ReactwithRespect-i5i i thought you meant CVV, and not Billy. Yeah, I'd agree that he needs to move somewhere better.
No. Studio pro wrestling is way mofe entertaining than wwe sports entertainment.