Just had a TSI as a courtesy car form my local VW dealership. Can’t believe how long the gearing is but thoroughly enjoyed it, stuck around 60mpg even driven enthusiastically. I’m guessing that had I driven it back to back with the GTI I may have been a little disappointed but I really loved it.
Your usual high calibre affair Andrew, great way to start the weekend. Prior to the up! GTI, I had a fully loaded (minus power roof & Beats), honey yellow TSI High-up! that I factory specced. It was a great car and did everything you'd expect and more besides. So much so my wife ordered a TSI High-up! too (which she still has). With the High-up! trim you have a closer comparator to the GTI, heated seats, MFD, cornering/fog lights etc, though the price is much closer too of course. The problem for me was that I knew I wanted a GTI - extra styling, gearing, horse-power and ride etc. I made a big decision to trade my loaded TSI (at a considerable financial loss) for a reasonably specced built GTI and I have no regrets whatsoever despite losing toys and kit in the transition. In hindsight, I should have held off the TSI purchase as I knew the GTI was to arrive. Whilst my TSI was refined, subject to my fitting a Milltek exhaust, nippy and economical, it missed all of the extra ingredients you find in the GTI. If you want a great nippy city car the TSI is very difficult to beat, if you want the same, but with the added drivers enjoyment thrown in, the GTI takes the crown every time. The 5 speed box of the TSI has taller gearing as you move up the cogs - 70mph in 5th is a lower rpm than the GTI in 6th from recollection. Re: Beats, I have this in the GTI, the sound is crisper at high volume for sure and is a good addition if you like music. I have the toolkit firmly tucked away, so no dented rear boot panels in my car. A plus one for your review and findings Sir.
I have an up gti,same colour. Had it now since November 18 and must say it’s a hoot to drive and always puts a smile on my face. Of all the cars I have owned(some of them mega quick) this one has been the most fun.
Great video, as someone who has almost 2 years and 16k miles in a High UP! Tsi 90 I'd just like to tell you the thing never fails to put a smile on my face. As the previous owner of far higher performance cars including a highly modified (by me) 270 bhp/400ft lbs diesel Fabia Vrs, Stage 2 Octavia Vrs (Mk2) I never feel it falls short in this day and age. Speed cameras, terribly neglected roads, rising fuel costs etc. Having watched many many UP! Gti videos, including all of yours, I feel that the smaller wheels and softer suspension is more a benefit that a hindrance on the roads of Lancashire. I completed a 2800 mile round trip to Berlin and Auschwitz in late December/early Jan and honestly the little thing totally amazed me. An autobahn top speed (speedo) of 130mph, and average mpg on the whole trip of 47mpg, comfortable and as refined as cars classes higher. I'd genuinely just go and order an UP! Gti tomorrow if the differences between it and the High Up! TSi were greater. Anyway, keep up the great videos and thanks for the interesting content. That beats spec really looks like the poverty spec version in comparison with the high up.
Hi David. The TSI 90 is a great package and the pros and cons of its versus the GTI will depend on how you use it, for some the TSI will be more suitable but the combination of tweaks made by the engineers are somehow worth more than the sum of their parts if you like driving in the manner a GTI should be driven. The crappy little road I use isn't representative of what most people drive on but it does reveal the attributes of these cars quite readily and while the GTI will do most of the TSI's job, it's massively superior on a B road which means if the stars align and you find yourself on this kind of road you can have a lot of fun with no real penalty over the TSI. Maybe the happy medium would be smaller wheels and tyres on the GTI? I've since realised the GTI was on the higher of 2 tyre pressure settings which explains why it was a bit more unsettled than my own car. Anyway, both are very impressive packages.
@@volkswizard oh I'm sure you are 100% correct and had the GTi been available in July 17 when I got my UP!, I would have taken the GTi without doubt. I'm sad to see they are discontinued now so fingers crossed in just over a year when mine is due a replacement something equally fun is available.
Love Up GTI, here in Argentina we dont have this version, but we have the TSI of 101 cv. This version name is "pepper" and its absolutly fun to drive it. I have my own on blue lagoon . . I just love it !
The TSI 90 is actually the reason I ended up with the Up GTI. I test drove one in my search to replace my Audi A2 and was very impressed indeed, enough to consider buying one. The salesman told me that the Up GTI was imminent, and when I studied the specs versus the price I came to exactly the same conclusion that you have just come to Andrew. The Up GTI is the better car and it's worth the extra few grand, but that takes nothing away from the TSI which is a great car too. By the way, my GTI is presently on 15" wheels and has had the Soundaktor turned down, which greatly improves the ride and refinement, if you value such things. Another great video Andrew!
Thanks again John, much appreciated. Is yours a 2019 model year (K in chassis number) as I gather the option to wind back the fake sound wasn't available on the first batch of cars which were 2018 MY? Would love to drive a GTI on non-eco, non-winters tyres and 15" wheels, TSI didn't make a good case for that but could be the eco-tyres and the chassis setup making it feel a bit sketchy. I was blown away by how much better the GTI was.
Mine was delivered Dec 2018 and has a K in the VIN no, so I'd guess it's a 2019 model. Soundaktor supposedly turned down to 50%, but it feels more than that.
Interesting comparison, as we have a Beats Up! TSi 90 just now (with a few of the missing options added), but probably changing it for an Up! GTi next time. Not sure I agree with you about not having the Beats audio system - its not the best audio upgrade, but a lot better sounding than the standard system (& I think it's an option on the GTi as well). Really informative & interesting video 👍👍
Yes indeed Alistair though it would be interesting to see what a GTI sounds like with the fake noise switched off as there probably wouldn't be much in it then.
The GTI looked like mine when it was stock 😁 Still love it so!! What a beast 😍 Also that sound actuator sound 😁💗 But if you're a little more responsible with your money the TSI looks awesome to 👍😉
It would be great if you could do the same with your Audi A2 & a 1.6 FSI sport A2 (borrow my A2). All of these cars are around 100bhp per tone, including the ups as well. Great video 👍🏻
The VW UP GTI is an amazing little car, I get my MY2020 UP GTI MY2020 after a long 4 months waiting but the car is a gem! I know now what is a smile in our face,for drive a car! thank you Volkswizard" Stay safe!
That Beats looks cheap with its Red Trim bits. would be a nice upgrade from a 60/75 normally aspirated up Though. Like my options on the Gti and use them all almost. when you mentioned sidewall size,weirdly getting The German up Winter GTI alloys shod with cross climates on Monday and fitted for more comfort.
Im in the market for a DD, i really liked the forumula of the small car with a fair bit of grunt, my old clio 172 did it quite well, was well equipped and famously on forums i managed to get 212k out of it before things started to go wrong frequently enough for me to change it. Thanks for this video its been really useful in helping me decide. By the way, where is your favorite B road? I think mine locally to me, is at the top of tog hill near Bristol/Bath, its a little link road to the a46 road that goes to the m4. PLenty of undulations, nice tight corners and broken tarmac, my old evo used to shine on it - not yet taken the c63 along there, yet, but think it wont fair as well as the evo. I think what puts me off the UP gti is the compulsory traction control, in typical vw fair they've made it so you cant turn it off - this used to wind me up in my tts !!
Nice. Think if I was to have a TSI 90 it would Be the high up as it looks more understated/subtle like a Volkswagen should imo. Think both are good value depending on what you’re after.
Agreed Dan L, there are other versions. I'd prefer a High Up! but from a dynamic perspective any TSI will be the same apart from maybe wheel and tyre size - be nice to try a GTI on 15s and see if it's any better or worse for them
I stumbled across this video & it's a timely one as my wife has an Beats up TSi 90 (with some more options than the one in your video) & she is seriously thinking of changing it for a GTi. She liked her Up until she drove our Mk7 GTD golf, thought it felt horribly soft in comparison😂. I know the price has hiked recently, but seriously tempted if we can get a good deal on one from our VW dealer. The TSi engine is fab, it's our 2nd Up & is vastly superior to the non turbo High Up 75hp we had before - can only imagine how good the GTi is..other contender is a Seat Ibiza with that engine...but think a small car will be fine, as we've a Golf as well
Ive got the ibiza with that engine and its great. In the up, it would be brilliant i think. The ibiza feels almost golf size inside tho and has 5 sears, if thats important.
@@allosaurusfragilis7782 that's really interesting, as we were thinking about a 115hp Ibiza too. Probably would be an Up! GTi, but a 3dr wouldn't work. 5 seats isn't important but 5drs are (we have a large dog!). The Ibiza is more expensive, but definitely something we're considering. Hard to justify, as it's a 2nd car, but looks like a great car & much better specced than the Polo too. Big question is: manual or DSG! I'd have the DSG (just discovered how good a box the DSG is on my Golf), but my Wife would rather the manual...
@@andrewmcivor42 mines a manua and it's nice n light. It's the excellence edition and has decent spec. The volkswizsrd chap actually does a vid comparing the Ibiza to an up GTi which you might want to look at. Anyway, I'm pleased with mine and they'll come a time when you'll be glad of extra space, that always happens. As much fun? Probably not...but more comfy and be practical. Cheers
Interesting, not sure I drove it in 5th at all on this test but somewhere after second gear it did feel the ratios got a lot longer. The gearing certainly didn't help it dynamically, possibly another car hobbled by emissions regulations as gear ratios will affect consumption on the old NEDC test, glad the GTI wasn't obviously affected though 60mph in 2nd is a bit excessive!
Just to be clear, in terms of design and options you're comparing the Up Beats spec that just happens to have a 1.0 tsi. My wife has the 1.0 tsi in High Up spec, which is much nicer than the Beats and comes with more options (front fog lights, heated seats and no moving banging tool kit in the boot etc.).
Yes indeed MJ👍 TBH the trim level wasn't really that relevant as I don't think it affects the dynamics that much and I was curious to see how a TSI 90 (and TSI 90) drove in comparison. The problem with the High Up! spec (correct me if I am wrong) is presumably it's even closer to the GTI price than the £11k of the Beats model and still does without the six speed gearbox and numerous other GTI tweaks that are worth more than the sum of their parts. If they lose value quicker than a GTI though then second hand they will make a lot more sense (unless you really want a GTI!)
Due to the current economical crisis in the UK I'm considering downsizing to an up gti from my octavia vrs. I'm actually so excited to get back to something so small and simple. Back in 2009 I had an abarth 500 and this reminds me of that
If you can get an Up! GTI with some spec and can accept its limitations (headlights, no one touch windows, lack of high speed refinement) it's really is an awesome little car, the crazy low fuel consumption is just a bonus!
If I recall correctly at the TSI model, you actually get the fuel range by downloading the up app at your cell phone. That is if you pay for the extra perks of this level. Not disappointing, though
I'm very tempted to get a GTi. Started seeing the odd one driving around locally and must say really does look good. As for this video comparison I'd say the GTi is leaps and bounds better than the 90. The interior is dramatically nicer in the GTi. The GTi Up has that special old skool hot hatch formula of little weight, power increase and no frills fun without breaking the speed limit.
yep he seems a top bloke. BTW, really enjoying you videos. Just stumbled across them recently. We're a VAG family - I've got a 2018 Audi TTS and my wife has a poverty spec 2018 Up which she loves :-)
Well its a few years on and these TSi 90s and Gti's make even more sense than ever, let me explain......Fords & Fiats, are the UP's main rival and are riddled with issues, others I've considerd are the Aygo 1.0 or Swift 1.2 both a fair bit slower. Finally theres the Kia and Hyundai offerings which quite frankly I have no interest in. Now more recently here in the UK insurance costs are rising quite heavily and with whats going on in the middle east I genuinly believe we are about to experience an uptick in petrol prices once again. In addition to the UP ceasing production in 2023 I can soon see a point where demand outstrips supply as I believe this segment hots up (We are already seeing expensive vehicle price drops). Demand for the GTi is quite steady at the moment it seams, with low mileage ones being around 13 - 14k but the TSi being around 4k cheaper with a bit of shopping around. I'm pretty certain these will become quite sort after soon, especially lower mileage & high spec ones. The clever money long term may well be the more sort after GTi, however the TSi 90 has to be far better value right now. That said, I've just been on the hunt for a TSi 90 tax free, pre April 1st 2017, x5 door model, and to my suprise there's non currently for sale 😲. This would have been perfect, 0-60 sub 10s, 55mpg ish, £35 road tax, group 10 insurance, however I was still happy to get a late 67 plate with 8k miles, good spec, TSi 90 in black x5 door at aroud 4k less than the GTi, costing around 9k. Either way they both make perfect sense. Brilliant video sir, much appreciated 👍
Hi Andrew nice video. Just wondering for daytime running bulbs what would you recommend if your going for a whiter alternative. Ideally to run with some osram nightbreakers.
I think Micha was talking about a base car for modifying. Why pay for the bigger wheels, better suspension etc, when its all going to get replaced anyway.
I drive a remapped tsi90 with a Milltek, its an amazing fun little car. If I only waited a bit longer I could have gone for the gti, wich wasn't available in august 2017. The 5 speed gearbox makes less rpm in 5th than the gti in 6th at 70mph wich I like
Thank you, the video's were made with a few hundred km's driven with the Milltek bolted on. Now after 20.000km it sounds louder, more fruity sound.@@dnt1971
The GTI engine should have a higher pressure turbo, some changes in the internals, perhaps more efficient intercooler, and mostly a different catalytic converter with gasoline particulate filter. Power wise it's not drastically different when tuned, but its a little different than the regular 90hp TSI. Thats all I know so far.
Modifying the ECU is quite cheap, and lifts the power to 130HP, for both models. Suspension can be changed easily. But prices on second hand GTI's are falling, so, probably go for the iconic one if you can wait. But price difference for second hands are quite big now.
tuning, the base engine is the same on most if not all of the 3 cylinder cars that vw makes, that means the 120hp skoda octavia has the same engine but just tuned by them to give it 120hp
Obviously it would be fun to have the gti but the interior of the beats version is magical and brings life to the car with the white everywhere whereas the gti is just cheap and boring
I had the automatic up with standard engine (not turbo, not direct injected) for about a year and the tires would literally spin all the time for no reason lol
I think it's because they make more money selling the limited amount of cars they can make in other countries - the amount of effort VW are currently making to save money (just look at the deletion of the leather from the handbrake lever) I can't imagine they'd ignore that fact.
volkswizard it is due to the WLTP emission tests, you are again now able to order the UP GTi through any VW dealership, delivery date is a different matter though, Taken from VWs website, (it was the same with the golf R until around a month ago) Can't find the Up! you're looking for? Some of our cars are still being tested under new industry wide standards for fuel consumption and emissions (WLTP type approval). This means you may not be able to find all engines you would expect to see for the up! If you’d like more details on forthcoming models take a look at our pricelist, or contact your local retailer
I remember mischa video. A lot of his views was asking him weather he was going to get one. Hence his video saying as sub 7 up was modified to 127 bhp. There was no point in him getting one over the sub 7 up.
Indeed, he is of course entitled to his opinion but he did get many facts wrong in the video in the interests of sensationalism,. Still like him though and want to drive that Sub-7 Up one day 👍
I went to buy an UP gti and they told me I had a 9 month waiting list but they can give me a 90 up beats ex show room car top spec with some extras for free, being only 18 the 90 up! Has just the right amount of fun and the is very exciting, id love to drive the GTI but I cant imagine it has too much more magic than the TSI
I didn't think that until I drove it! The TSI 90 is great value particularly at the price you will have got yours at and a brilliant starting point for Up! ownership but having driven that back to back with a GTI it doesn't really feel like the GTI at all when you start to push it. TSI 90 chassis is way more comfort oriented, gearing is much longer, engine mapping is much more linear, just these 3 things make a big difference. The engineers should be applauded for achieving what they have done with the GTI considering budget restictions and modest increase in list price over TSI 90 when spec is equalised.
I love your videos, but... This always bothered me about your original ‘answer’ video to Misha... He never actually ever said you shouldn’t buy a GTI... he was answering all the messages asking him if HE was going to buy a GTI, and simply was explaining why HE would not buy a GTI for himself... which was basically because there was not enough differences for him to gain anything over his highly modified Sub 7 Up!.... I feel like you completely missed that point, and are still holding it against him as if he was knocking the GTI, when he wasn’t.
I know, I get that but you can't get away from the fact that he made a lot of assumptions about the GTI that were wrong or unproven. His video was I think deliberately sensationalist (and why not as it gets views). Don't take it the wrong way, it's just a bit of banter between RUclipsrs, I love Misha and he probably doesn't acknowledge I exist so it's all good 👍
You completely missed the point of his video, he wasn´t saying anything about the gti and if people should buy it, he said why he wont buy it compared to his, because his was already chipped and the difference in terms of performance are nothing, that is why HE wasn't gonna buy a GTI
I collected mine on March 29th. In Pure White 3dr. I think you have made a great choice, its a lovely little car, ever so fun to drive, and decent fuel economy as well.
10:47 "it's not VW style to just remap"… literally the non-turbo standard injected version of the up??? either a 60 or 75, except the 75 is always running at a higher rpm and is literally not faster than the 60?? torque is exactly the same.
I think mishas audience is more aimed at someone who modified cars and rags them every moment they’re turned on, not for plodding about and maybe hitting a B road once a year
That's not a tsi 90. That's an NA. Reasons for that are the lack of a tsi badge and the fact that it has stop start, which the tsi 90, for some reason, doesn't
You're wrong. Later TSIs are NOT badged as such (at least in the UK) - and our TSI Beats! is A) Definitely 90bhp and B) Stop/Start. It's called 'BlueMotion Tech' in VW'ese, I believe...
Well, you're correct: Celtic Tuning (and I'm sure others) can take the stock TSI to 130bhp (and the GTI to 150...) - SW Tuning. Personally, I'd likely rather drive a tuned TSI High Up!, with the grunt BUT softer ride - and the fake sound generator in the GTI is a turn-off for me, really (can it be disabled?)
@@Aitch222 The sound generator can be set to anything between 0 and 100% volume. But you need VCDS. I like it, would even retrofit it to a TSI. What I don't like are the 17" GTI wheels. Yes they look great, but they are also heavy.
Mine is the exact model TSi 90 as in the video, and I love it. Couldn't justify the GTI as I have other track/ road cars, this had to do a job but be good to drive. Trip computer, range to empty is on teh Maps & More app :0)
1. Nobody under 40 knows what "ZX81 type" means. 2. The lights are colour, the ZX81 was black and white so you probably meant ZX Spectrum? I'll get me coat now.
Just had a TSI as a courtesy car form my local VW dealership. Can’t believe how long the gearing is but thoroughly enjoyed it, stuck around 60mpg even driven enthusiastically. I’m guessing that had I driven it back to back with the GTI I may have been a little disappointed but I really loved it.
Your usual high calibre affair Andrew, great way to start the weekend. Prior to the up! GTI, I had a fully loaded (minus power roof & Beats), honey yellow TSI High-up! that I factory specced. It was a great car and did everything you'd expect and more besides. So much so my wife ordered a TSI High-up! too (which she still has). With the High-up! trim you have a closer comparator to the GTI, heated seats, MFD, cornering/fog lights etc, though the price is much closer too of course. The problem for me was that I knew I wanted a GTI - extra styling, gearing, horse-power and ride etc. I made a big decision to trade my loaded TSI (at a considerable financial loss) for a reasonably specced built GTI and I have no regrets whatsoever despite losing toys and kit in the transition. In hindsight, I should have held off the TSI purchase as I knew the GTI was to arrive. Whilst my TSI was refined, subject to my fitting a Milltek exhaust, nippy and economical, it missed all of the extra ingredients you find in the GTI. If you want a great nippy city car the TSI is very difficult to beat, if you want the same, but with the added drivers enjoyment thrown in, the GTI takes the crown every time. The 5 speed box of the TSI has taller gearing as you move up the cogs - 70mph in 5th is a lower rpm than the GTI in 6th from recollection. Re: Beats, I have this in the GTI, the sound is crisper at high volume for sure and is a good addition if you like music. I have the toolkit firmly tucked away, so no dented rear boot panels in my car. A plus one for your review and findings Sir.
I have an up gti,same colour.
Had it now since November 18 and must say it’s a hoot to drive and always puts a smile on my face.
Of all the cars I have owned(some of them mega quick) this one has been the most fun.
Great video, as someone who has almost 2 years and 16k miles in a High UP! Tsi 90 I'd just like to tell you the thing never fails to put a smile on my face. As the previous owner of far higher performance cars including a highly modified (by me) 270 bhp/400ft lbs diesel Fabia Vrs, Stage 2 Octavia Vrs (Mk2) I never feel it falls short in this day and age. Speed cameras, terribly neglected roads, rising fuel costs etc. Having watched many many UP! Gti videos, including all of yours, I feel that the smaller wheels and softer suspension is more a benefit that a hindrance on the roads of Lancashire. I completed a 2800 mile round trip to Berlin and Auschwitz in late December/early Jan and honestly the little thing totally amazed me. An autobahn top speed (speedo) of 130mph, and average mpg on the whole trip of 47mpg, comfortable and as refined as cars classes higher. I'd genuinely just go and order an UP! Gti tomorrow if the differences between it and the High Up! TSi were greater. Anyway, keep up the great videos and thanks for the interesting content. That beats spec really looks like the poverty spec version in comparison with the high up.
Hi David. The TSI 90 is a great package and the pros and cons of its versus the GTI will depend on how you use it, for some the TSI will be more suitable but the combination of tweaks made by the engineers are somehow worth more than the sum of their parts if you like driving in the manner a GTI should be driven. The crappy little road I use isn't representative of what most people drive on but it does reveal the attributes of these cars quite readily and while the GTI will do most of the TSI's job, it's massively superior on a B road which means if the stars align and you find yourself on this kind of road you can have a lot of fun with no real penalty over the TSI. Maybe the happy medium would be smaller wheels and tyres on the GTI? I've since realised the GTI was on the higher of 2 tyre pressure settings which explains why it was a bit more unsettled than my own car. Anyway, both are very impressive packages.
@@volkswizard oh I'm sure you are 100% correct and had the GTi been available in July 17 when I got my UP!, I would have taken the GTi without doubt. I'm sad to see they are discontinued now so fingers crossed in just over a year when mine is due a replacement something equally fun is available.
Hey, why dont you buy a used UP! GTI and make a chiptune or something like that ?
130mph from a 90hp engine? Or are you talking about the Gti
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Love Up GTI, here in Argentina we dont have this version, but we have the TSI of 101 cv. This version name is "pepper" and its absolutly fun to drive it. I have my own on blue lagoon . . I just love it !
The TSI 90 is actually the reason I ended up with the Up GTI. I test drove one in my search to replace my Audi A2 and was very impressed indeed, enough to consider buying one. The salesman told me that the Up GTI was imminent, and when I studied the specs versus the price I came to exactly the same conclusion that you have just come to Andrew. The Up GTI is the better car and it's worth the extra few grand, but that takes nothing away from the TSI which is a great car too. By the way, my GTI is presently on 15" wheels and has had the Soundaktor turned down, which greatly improves the ride and refinement, if you value such things. Another great video Andrew!
And I have The Right Alloys Thanks to You JH
Thanks again John, much appreciated. Is yours a 2019 model year (K in chassis number) as I gather the option to wind back the fake sound wasn't available on the first batch of cars which were 2018 MY? Would love to drive a GTI on non-eco, non-winters tyres and 15" wheels, TSI didn't make a good case for that but could be the eco-tyres and the chassis setup making it feel a bit sketchy. I was blown away by how much better the GTI was.
Mine was delivered Dec 2018 and has a K in the VIN no, so I'd guess it's a 2019 model. Soundaktor supposedly turned down to 50%, but it feels more than that.
@@johnhyoutube I would like to experiment with turning the Soundakator down. Is there a cheap eBay type plug-in tool available that can do the job?
@@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420 Not sure, I have no experience of this. Lots of info about it on the Up Owners Forum though. I got my VW dealer to do it.
Interesting comparison, as we have a Beats Up! TSi 90 just now (with a few of the missing options added), but probably changing it for an Up! GTi next time. Not sure I agree with you about not having the Beats audio system - its not the best audio upgrade, but a lot better sounding than the standard system (& I think it's an option on the GTi as well).
Really informative & interesting video 👍👍
Another very good video Andrew, I think if you want a spirited drive the Up GTI is the one, if you want a little more refinment then go for the TSI 90
Yes indeed Alistair though it would be interesting to see what a GTI sounds like with the fake noise switched off as there probably wouldn't be much in it then.
The GTI looked like mine when it was stock 😁
Still love it so!! What a beast 😍
Also that sound actuator sound 😁💗
But if you're a little more responsible with your money the TSI looks awesome to 👍😉
Thanks for you comment, glad you still love your 'beast' 👍
Great video. I had the 90 for 3 years.... this week just got the GTI version! Wow! What a difference! Super quick for me and loving it!
Nice one Steve, enjoy it and watch the potholes!
It would be great if you could do the same with your Audi A2 & a 1.6 FSI sport A2 (borrow my A2). All of these cars are around 100bhp per tone, including the ups as well. Great video 👍🏻
The VW UP GTI is an amazing little car, I get my MY2020 UP GTI MY2020 after a long 4 months waiting but the car is a gem! I know now what is a smile in our face,for drive a car! thank you Volkswizard" Stay safe!
Andrew as usual good review comparison . Only one winner but both very good in their appropriate market place.
Thanks Keith! It's only when you drive the GTI you realise how much better it is, in isolation the TSI is a great car and reminds me of my A2.
That Beats looks cheap with its Red Trim bits.
would be a nice upgrade from a 60/75 normally aspirated up Though.
Like my options on the Gti and use them all almost.
when you mentioned sidewall size,weirdly getting The German up Winter GTI alloys shod with cross climates on Monday and fitted for more comfort.
I need to try some smaller wheels on a GTI next I think - with some decent tyres, watch this space 👍
You can configure the TSI 90 much more beautiful
It's a good idea but I feel that re sale value will be in the GTI's favour due to the badge and higher prestige so to speak
Im in the market for a DD, i really liked the forumula of the small car with a fair bit of grunt, my old clio 172 did it quite well, was well equipped and famously on forums i managed to get 212k out of it before things started to go wrong frequently enough for me to change it. Thanks for this video its been really useful in helping me decide. By the way, where is your favorite B road? I think mine locally to me, is at the top of tog hill near Bristol/Bath, its a little link road to the a46 road that goes to the m4. PLenty of undulations, nice tight corners and broken tarmac, my old evo used to shine on it - not yet taken the c63 along there, yet, but think it wont fair as well as the evo. I think what puts me off the UP gti is the compulsory traction control, in typical vw fair they've made it so you cant turn it off - this used to wind me up in my tts !!
Nice. Think if I was to have a TSI 90 it would Be the high up as it looks more understated/subtle like a Volkswagen should imo. Think both are good value depending on what you’re after.
Agreed Dan L, there are other versions. I'd prefer a High Up! but from a dynamic perspective any TSI will be the same apart from maybe wheel and tyre size - be nice to try a GTI on 15s and see if it's any better or worse for them
I stumbled across this video & it's a timely one as my wife has an Beats up TSi 90 (with some more options than the one in your video) & she is seriously thinking of changing it for a GTi. She liked her Up until she drove our Mk7 GTD golf, thought it felt horribly soft in comparison😂.
I know the price has hiked recently, but seriously tempted if we can get a good deal on one from our VW dealer. The TSi engine is fab, it's our 2nd Up & is vastly superior to the non turbo High Up 75hp we had before - can only imagine how good the GTi is..other contender is a Seat Ibiza with that engine...but think a small car will be fine, as we've a Golf as well
Ive got the ibiza with that engine and its great. In the up, it would be brilliant i think. The ibiza feels almost golf size inside tho and has 5 sears, if thats important.
@@allosaurusfragilis7782 that's really interesting, as we were thinking about a 115hp Ibiza too. Probably would be an Up! GTi, but a 3dr wouldn't work. 5 seats isn't important but 5drs are (we have a large dog!).
The Ibiza is more expensive, but definitely something we're considering. Hard to justify, as it's a 2nd car, but looks like a great car & much better specced than the Polo too.
Big question is: manual or DSG! I'd have the DSG (just discovered how good a box the DSG is on my Golf), but my Wife would rather the manual...
@@andrewmcivor42 mines a manua and it's nice n light. It's the excellence edition and has decent spec. The volkswizsrd chap actually does a vid comparing the Ibiza to an up GTi which you might want to look at. Anyway, I'm pleased with mine and they'll come a time when you'll be glad of extra space, that always happens. As much fun? Probably not...but more comfy and be practical. Cheers
Yes modified Up TSI 90 -> remapping to 130 , lower sunpension and wheels. When you test Vw Polo 6C 1.0 TSI 110hv or New Vw
Polo 1.0 TSI 95 ?
TSI 90 has huge gear ratios for the fact you can sit at 70mph on 2300rpm.. That was lower than my 2015 6 speed Passat.
Interesting, not sure I drove it in 5th at all on this test but somewhere after second gear it did feel the ratios got a lot longer. The gearing certainly didn't help it dynamically, possibly another car hobbled by emissions regulations as gear ratios will affect consumption on the old NEDC test, glad the GTI wasn't obviously affected though 60mph in 2nd is a bit excessive!
Just to be clear, in terms of design and options you're comparing the Up Beats spec that just happens to have a 1.0 tsi. My wife has the 1.0 tsi in High Up spec, which is much nicer than the Beats and comes with more options (front fog lights, heated seats and no moving banging tool kit in the boot etc.).
Yes indeed MJ👍 TBH the trim level wasn't really that relevant as I don't think it affects the dynamics that much and I was curious to see how a TSI 90 (and TSI 90) drove in comparison. The problem with the High Up! spec (correct me if I am wrong) is presumably it's even closer to the GTI price than the £11k of the Beats model and still does without the six speed gearbox and numerous other GTI tweaks that are worth more than the sum of their parts. If they lose value quicker than a GTI though then second hand they will make a lot more sense (unless you really want a GTI!)
Due to the current economical crisis in the UK I'm considering downsizing to an up gti from my octavia vrs. I'm actually so excited to get back to something so small and simple. Back in 2009 I had an abarth 500 and this reminds me of that
If you can get an Up! GTI with some spec and can accept its limitations (headlights, no one touch windows, lack of high speed refinement) it's really is an awesome little car, the crazy low fuel consumption is just a bonus!
get the swift sport 1.4 better car 10x more options more power and even lower weight ;) super good on fuell aswell
If I recall correctly at the TSI model, you actually get the fuel range by downloading the up app at your cell phone. That is if you pay for the extra perks of this level. Not disappointing, though
My TSI 90 (66 reg) High up! has fuel range, no need for the app to tell you.
Yep, The Beats! needs the VW App to display it. Essentially, it has a full Trip Computer in there - just no way to display it on the dash!
I'm very tempted to get a GTi. Started seeing the odd one driving around locally and must say really does look good.
As for this video comparison I'd say the GTi is leaps and bounds better than the 90. The interior is dramatically nicer in the GTi.
The GTi Up has that special old skool hot hatch formula of little weight, power increase and no frills fun without breaking the speed limit.
Besides the seats!
you gotta love Misha - that guy can drive!!!
I'd like to make it clear, I love Misha, I was glued to his 'ring garage vlogs a few years ago. Total inspiration - learned what a gimbal was from him
yep he seems a top bloke.
BTW, really enjoying you videos. Just stumbled across them recently. We're a VAG family - I've got a 2018 Audi TTS and my wife has a poverty spec 2018 Up which she loves :-)
Well its a few years on and these TSi 90s and Gti's make even more sense than ever, let me explain......Fords & Fiats, are the UP's main rival and are riddled with issues, others I've considerd are the Aygo 1.0 or Swift 1.2 both a fair bit slower. Finally theres the Kia and Hyundai offerings which quite frankly I have no interest in.
Now more recently here in the UK insurance costs are rising quite heavily and with whats going on in the middle east I genuinly believe we are about to experience an uptick in petrol prices once again. In addition to the UP ceasing production in 2023 I can soon see a point where demand outstrips supply as I believe this segment hots up (We are already seeing expensive vehicle price drops).
Demand for the GTi is quite steady at the moment it seams, with low mileage ones being around 13 - 14k but the TSi being around 4k cheaper with a bit of shopping around. I'm pretty certain these will become quite sort after soon, especially lower mileage & high spec ones. The clever money long term may well be the more sort after GTi, however the TSi 90 has to be far better value right now.
That said, I've just been on the hunt for a TSi 90 tax free, pre April 1st 2017, x5 door model, and to my suprise there's non currently for sale 😲. This would have been perfect, 0-60 sub 10s, 55mpg ish, £35 road tax, group 10 insurance, however I was still happy to get a late 67 plate with 8k miles, good spec, TSi 90 in black x5 door at aroud 4k less than the GTi, costing around 9k. Either way they both make perfect sense.
Brilliant video sir, much appreciated 👍
Great Vid (as always) Andrew 🤘
Thank you again ThisIsLiamJones :)
You can actually map these to 130bhp but if you can ask the tuner to lower the gains if you don't trust it
Hi Andrew nice video. Just wondering for daytime running bulbs what would you recommend if your going for a whiter alternative. Ideally to run with some osram nightbreakers.
I think Micha was talking about a base car for modifying. Why pay for the bigger wheels, better suspension etc, when its all going to get replaced anyway.
I drive a remapped tsi90 with a Milltek, its an amazing fun little car. If I only waited a bit longer I could have gone for the gti, wich wasn't available in august 2017. The 5 speed gearbox makes less rpm in 5th than the gti in 6th at 70mph wich I like
I've just watched your videos and that exhaust sounds great!
Thank you, the video's were made with a few hundred km's driven with the Milltek bolted on. Now after 20.000km it sounds louder, more fruity sound.@@dnt1971
Hello! Nice review! Both have same front brake size? Disc, calipers?
Thanks Lucas - GTI has significantly larger front discs and calipers than the TSI 90 - possibly 288 vs 256mm
@@volkswizard thanks!
On the used market the TSI high up would be the smart buy.
Great video Andrew, I definitely made the right choice.
Definitely!
The GTI engine should have a higher pressure turbo, some changes in the internals, perhaps more efficient intercooler, and mostly a different catalytic converter with gasoline particulate filter. Power wise it's not drastically different when tuned, but its a little different than the regular 90hp TSI. Thats all I know so far.
Great video Andrew - love the beats model but has to be GTI
Thanks Malcolm! Yes, TSI is good but once you've tried a GTI you can't ignore its greater poise and urgency with no penalty
Thanks for this 😊
👍👍
I wish I could be have it before I buy the vivo gt but is to late now... ♥️I love gti up with all my heart..
Modifying the ECU is quite cheap, and lifts the power to 130HP, for both models. Suspension can be changed easily. But prices on second hand GTI's are falling, so, probably go for the iconic one if you can wait.
But price difference for second hands are quite big now.
So you could put a set of wheels on, stick the spoiler on, map it then you'll not be a mile away.
I quite like the look of these. Are there any other engine options on the GTi though? I think I would like a little more than 115hp.
tuning, the base engine is the same on most if not all of the 3 cylinder cars that vw makes, that means the 120hp skoda octavia has the same engine but just tuned by them to give it 120hp
@RuiDX Plenty of vids of stock GTI's on youtube running almost 220km/h, so a tuned one should be a little faster still.
Great Video Thanks Andrew, Keep them coming......
Thanks Bobby!
Yep, Don Johnson!
So guys, is there any difference in hardware between the two engines, or is it only the tune?
Definitely hardware but unclear what exactly. It's a different engine code altogether.
Great video. Always brilliant to watch.😎
Thanks Roberto, glad you enjoyed it👍
Obviously it would be fun to have the gti but the interior of the beats version is magical and brings life to the car with the white everywhere whereas the gti is just cheap and boring
Poor man's Damon Hill.
You aren't the first and you won't be the last 😊
Love my up tsi, grip is non existent though lol
I had the automatic up with standard engine (not turbo, not direct injected) for about a year and the tires would literally spin all the time for no reason lol
Maybe change the tires and use a non-eco one or even a sportier kind from a known manufacturer or read some test
9:26 😂😂 so hard to see you might as well just rely on the good old fashioned back window
Have VW stopped selling the Up! Gti? Friend of mines works for a VW dealership and they’re no longer taking new orders.
Hi Mark, yes indeed, both these cars are no longer showing as available to order as of end of March.
Do you have any idea why? You can still spec and presumably order a UP! GTI in France. @@volkswizard
I think it's because they make more money selling the limited amount of cars they can make in other countries - the amount of effort VW are currently making to save money (just look at the deletion of the leather from the handbrake lever) I can't imagine they'd ignore that fact.
Can not buy them in the Netherlands anymore to 😉
Only the 44kw MPI engine 😒😜😁
volkswizard it is due to the WLTP emission tests, you are again now able to order the UP GTi through any VW dealership, delivery date is a different matter though,
Taken from VWs website, (it was the same with the golf R until around a month ago)
Can't find the Up! you're looking for?
Some of our cars are still being tested under new industry wide standards for fuel consumption and emissions (WLTP type approval). This means you may not be able to find all engines you would expect to see for the up! If you’d like more details on forthcoming models take a look at our pricelist, or contact your local retailer
The stripes look so cheap on the Beats Up.
The 3k premium seems a no brainer for GTi. Much nicer place inside too.
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I remember mischa video. A lot of his views was asking him weather he was going to get one. Hence his video saying as sub 7 up was modified to 127 bhp. There was no point in him getting one over the sub 7 up.
Indeed, he is of course entitled to his opinion but he did get many facts wrong in the video in the interests of sensationalism,. Still like him though and want to drive that Sub-7 Up one day 👍
Stephen.. - Whether...
I dyslexia you first class prick. Ow I got that right.
Trip computer and range is on the app
I went to buy an UP gti and they told me I had a 9 month waiting list but they can give me a 90 up beats ex show room car top spec with some extras for free, being only 18 the 90 up! Has just the right amount of fun and the is very exciting, id love to drive the GTI but I cant imagine it has too much more magic than the TSI
I didn't think that until I drove it! The TSI 90 is great value particularly at the price you will have got yours at and a brilliant starting point for Up! ownership but having driven that back to back with a GTI it doesn't really feel like the GTI at all when you start to push it. TSI 90 chassis is way more comfort oriented, gearing is much longer, engine mapping is much more linear, just these 3 things make a big difference. The engineers should be applauded for achieving what they have done with the GTI considering budget restictions and modest increase in list price over TSI 90 when spec is equalised.
I love your videos, but... This always bothered me about your original ‘answer’ video to Misha... He never actually ever said you shouldn’t buy a GTI... he was answering all the messages asking him if HE was going to buy a GTI, and simply was explaining why HE would not buy a GTI for himself... which was basically because there was not enough differences for him to gain anything over his highly modified Sub 7 Up!.... I feel like you completely missed that point, and are still holding it against him as if he was knocking the GTI, when he wasn’t.
I know, I get that but you can't get away from the fact that he made a lot of assumptions about the GTI that were wrong or unproven. His video was I think deliberately sensationalist (and why not as it gets views). Don't take it the wrong way, it's just a bit of banter between RUclipsrs, I love Misha and he probably doesn't acknowledge I exist so it's all good 👍
You completely missed the point of his video, he wasn´t saying anything about the gti and if people should buy it, he said why he wont buy it compared to his, because his was already chipped and the difference in terms of performance are nothing, that is why HE wasn't gonna buy a GTI
Am the only one that hates the seat designs of the gti cars? Give us leather
Uh, my GTI! will be with me just in 8 days, JUST after over 6 months of waiting!
I collected mine on March 29th.
In Pure White 3dr.
I think you have made a great choice, its a lovely little car, ever so fun to drive, and decent fuel economy as well.
hey Radoslaw! You are going to LOVE it👌
That’s a quick delivery ! I waited 10 months!
Believe me the wait is well worth it 👍
10:47 "it's not VW style to just remap"…
literally the non-turbo standard injected version of the up??? either a 60 or 75, except the 75 is always running at a higher rpm and is literally not faster than the 60?? torque is exactly the same.
I think mishas audience is more aimed at someone who modified cars and rags them every moment they’re turned on, not for plodding about and maybe hitting a B road once a year
no.....but watching the video is far better than my rubbish comment !
..or is it, watch the video and find out everyone 👍
@@volkswizard sorry it was a terribly poor comment and a total lack of respect for a great well put together video.
That's not a tsi 90. That's an NA. Reasons for that are the lack of a tsi badge and the fact that it has stop start, which the tsi 90, for some reason, doesn't
You're wrong. Later TSIs are NOT badged as such (at least in the UK) - and our TSI Beats! is A) Definitely 90bhp and B) Stop/Start. It's called 'BlueMotion Tech' in VW'ese, I believe...
Gti has a 6-speed. TSI 90 has a 5-Speed. Soooo it's not the same car.
Good point, that actually a massive difference that's hard to resolve.
Could you remap the tsi 90 to make it the gti?
£250 is better then £3k
Well, you're correct: Celtic Tuning (and I'm sure others) can take the stock TSI to 130bhp (and the GTI to 150...) - SW Tuning. Personally, I'd likely rather drive a tuned TSI High Up!, with the grunt BUT softer ride - and the fake sound generator in the GTI is a turn-off for me, really (can it be disabled?)
@@Aitch222 The sound generator can be set to anything between 0 and 100% volume. But you need VCDS. I like it, would even retrofit it to a TSI. What I don't like are the 17" GTI wheels. Yes they look great, but they are also heavy.
Nice one once again😀😀
Thank you very much - again 👍👍👍
Would look better in 5 doors .
I had to buy the GTI because i didn't wan't a 4 door.
It was this or the baseline UP.
My 2018 up beats 90 TSI is very different to this, the one you have in this video
How so Morgan?
Mine is the exact model TSi 90 as in the video, and I love it. Couldn't justify the GTI as I have other track/ road cars, this had to do a job but be good to drive. Trip computer, range to empty is on teh Maps & More app :0)
1. Nobody under 40 knows what "ZX81 type" means. 2. The lights are colour, the ZX81 was black and white so you probably meant ZX Spectrum? I'll get me coat now.
I don't see any gti in the video
Na mi milas vlakies!
@@volkswizard i can't call a 1.0 car gti και τα ελληνικά άστα δεν το έχεις
@@user-ee8nj1eb8u eine to pio yriyoro aftokinito sta mikra dromous pou exoume ezo stin anglia
Put the GTI engine/gearbox in the other car and it would be worth considering. The big problem with GTIs is the owners.
What's the problem with the owners?
It's a budget car man grow up