@mathew115 So in saying MacArthur "lack the fire of the Holy Spirit," do you mean he doesn't scream and yell and sweat and have emotionally stimulating music playing while he preaches, etc.? God speaks mightily through MacArthur and others like him because they "rightly divide the Word of truth."
I was just thinking about this today...I grew up in a pentecostal church which constantly described its ministers as "so anointed" as if there are levels of anointing. That church does not exist today. The corporation was dissolved.
McArthur wasn't "bad-mouthing" Joel Osteen. I watched the same video you did. Rather, considering the fact that he himself is a pastor, he is simply instructing his congregants not to follow Osteens teachings Somebody please tell me where the scriptures instruct us to go along [with any/everthing] to get along. Truth is exclusive. That's its nature. I've listened to Mcarthur for decades mostly because it's his aim to preach only what comes from the Bible.
John is an amazing man of God. I love his teachings & I believe he has more courage to speak on issues that these people wouldn't touch with a stick. Very rarely do I disagree with John & when I do, their are topic that aren't important at all. He's a fine man of God, brother is Christ, & i'd listen to him over these people any day of the week & twice on Sundays. I'm not damning these individuals, if they say they love Christ fine. However I'd say they also love the spotlight also.
@frank0067 Amen brother. These so called "preachers" are in for a surprise. We are so blessed to have such great preachers like MacArthur like they had like the old days such as Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, Ravenhill and the great Puritans. Again God bless you brother for discerning God's truth.
FROM THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH...by the words the comes out from one'e mouth is his true character and way of life...REPENTANCE IN TERRIBLY NEEDED!
"Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces, and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." (Mark 12:38-40) Shamed on these people mocking on behind of others. But God is righteous. Praise Lord Jesus forever. Amen.
I agree with you wholeheartedly! I was in my middle teens when I had my first (and only!) personal encounter with people "speaking in tongues". Being brought up in church, I knew enough, even back then, that there HAD to be an interpreter of the tongue spoken. Instead, I was surrounded by people mumbling and shouting a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Not one interpreter among them! It scared me to death and all I kept thinking was "Chaos. God isn't the author of confusion.). I've heard (cont)
Britney Crouch, Paul Crouches granddaughter, was the former financial director of TBN. She is being sued by Paul and Jan after she reported their embezzlement of over 60 million dollars by TBN. Britney on blog talk radio boldly admitted her grandfather is an alcoholic, that Paul hasn't lived with his wife, Jan for 25 years, that while he had a homosexual relationship, her grandmother had several affairs with younger men.
I agree . John MacArthur is able to preach and teach the sound ,scriptural message that he does consistently purely because The Holy Spirit uses God's inspired Word (IE The Bible) through which to talk to us today. It would be great if believers sought God through His Word rather than looking for 'experiences ' instead !
The day John Macarthur becomes like you paul,is the day i stop listening to him,but i'm convinced that John Macarthur is a true Man of God so i'm not worried about that,God bless Pastor Macarthur and i'll pray for you paul.
John Macarthur was "bad mouthing" Joels doctrine. Joel teaches his flock to pursure the pleasures of this world health and wealth. Jesus give us new life to overcome this world and give us new desires, spiritual ones and we find great joy that our treasure is in heaven, and we renounce all claims to treasure here and now for the sake of the cross. Anyone who desires and pursues the things of this world has not been born again.
Interesting how the TBN audience aplauds in the end. And yet, although a different audicen, but nontheless TBN fans, were awed when John MacArthur visited TBN as Kirk Camerons guest.
To all those who believe that their repentence leaves them now perfect, I speak for all the others. To preach repentence for the forgiveness of sins is to preach Jesus, who took our place as sinners and truly repented (as we sinners cannot....after all, we love our sins, right?). So we do not preach the repentence of ourselves, but the repentence of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.
@thepainter3 honest question: is it God's desire that we all learn the original Greek and Hebrew in order to get the 'true testament', or is it possible that God lead certain men to translate english and mandarin and french and all other languages of the gospel?
So, you can be a "precious man of God," but you still need to be "slain in the Spirit." There were many "precious men of God" in the Bible. How come none of them were ever slain in the Spirit?
obviously you have not read verses where Paul tells Christians too look out for false preachers, and Jesus telling off the Pharisees, and I think it was John calling people antichrists, you need to get back to reading the Bible since you do not approve of Christians rebuking false teachers.
the fact is that in the early church they did demonstrate their love in praise and dance and gifts. Whether luther or anybody else didnt isnt the issue. .
thats the Spirit of God! thats the joy that God has given His people! thats is worship! if you have a problem with having a joyous worship time with God, then you shouldnt even bother to call yourself a Christian.
Death and life are in the power of God. It is not in our tongues. The Word Faith movement is heretical and blasphemous. Go ahead and send your 50 verses, your proof texting (isogesis) and poor hermeneutics are wrong. Our hope is in the Lord, not in our own words, not even in our own faith (Psalm 33:20-22). He doesn't need our faith, He is the object of faith (Mark 11:22; Hebrews 11:3).
@kepnjem Look up "Kenneth Hagin and kenneth Copeland - Pentecostal Bedlam" on youtube. You won't believe your eyes! I was shocked and sickened that i ever listened to these two!
@mathew115 John MacArthur shows plenty of fire in his sermons I witness this first hand, his sermons are biblical and bible exposition would be describe his sermon approach, he might be too bold or truthful for those used to mainstream churches and don't quite want the whole truth if you know what I mean... and he is very passionate but not to the point of acting like some people, atleast it seems this way to me.
@happyapplemint Yes but then he say's sarcastically that John needs to be filled with the Holy Ghost and that he(paul) won't be happy until he sees John laid out- slain in the spirit.
You are correct, the gifts are to edify the church, and tongues is a sign to the unbeliever, but tongues is the one gift that edifies the individual, not the church.
I grew up in Pentecostal church and there has never been a message or interpretation where the body of Christ (his people) were not encouraged. Jesus is pure love. Like a pastor said "One experience is worth a thousand arguments" Jesus is going toe return to pick up his church and very soon. The signs are all around us. Keep your eyes on Israel. They are God's chosen people. He will keep them safe no matter what comes about ! Thanks for reading. Get Saved !
Almost all the preachers who bad mouth the Baptism in the Holy Ghost do so because they have not received it themselves. Its an "F" on their report card if they actually believed in it but have not experienced it, so its easier for them to deny Jesus baptizes in the Holy Ghost and fire than it is to fervently seek the Acts chapter 2 infilling. I was a skeptic but believed the Word of God, so I fasted and prayed for Jesus to fill me just as He says He will and 8 months later I received. Its REAL!
I can't wait until John McArthur is filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues!!! It happened to Charles Swindoll, who I was also praying would be!!! David Wilkerson said his grand dad was preaching AGAINST tongues when he was filled with the Spirit and started speaking in tongues. Is there anything too hard for God??? I wait in joyful anticipation.
Bottom line, there is no Biblical example for anyone falling down or being overcome by some spiritual force that would explain today's "slain" in the spirit. If it's not supported by scripture I think it's best to stay away from the practice. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
@onlineministries -- yep, that is a classical dispensational argument that never holds water. I could debate this for years, but here is a part of it. If we are told to preach repentance for the forgiveness of sins--Luke 24:47 and if Paul preached repentance to the Jews and the Greeks--Acts 20:21 with Acts 26:20 giving even a more appropriate backup that repentance is for Gentiles and it is a turning to God which means that we must turn away from our former way of life....
I just discovered John MacArthur online a couple days ago and I liked it when he stuck strictly to the Bible. Where I have a problem is when people quit preaching and start meddling. He said women should not preach or teach. I know women God has used mightily! How does he (john mac) know God's will for someone else? The new testament says "in the last days God will pour out of his spirit on all flesh; sons AND daughters will prophesy." Rightly divide the Word, brother.
Did Paul "gossip" about the false teachings he rebuked?? No. The Bible tells us to call out the false teachers. Keeping quiet is how we got to the point that ANY heretical teaching is accepted.
Speaking in tongues is when one with understanding is speaking distinctly the precepts of scripture; these very words are an unknown tongue to those without understanding. Paul spake in tongues more than all because he retained more of the Lord's words in his heart. When he spake, often times his understanding was unfruitful to those that could not rightly divide the word. For if I pray in an unknown tongue,my spirit prayeth,but my understanding is unfruitful. 1 Cor14:14 Read Isaiah 28:9-13
@Hebrews927: Amen!!! These are the ones the bible speaks of. Paraphrased: Did not we prophesy in Your name, did we not case out demons and go great things? Jesus said, away from Me you evildoers I NEVER knew you! May God have mercy on their souls!
I've never been in a meeting where tongues were spoken in accordance to scripture. The Bible says test the spirits to see if they are of God. I heard someone preach that in a meeting where tongues were spoken, a man who knew Hebrew was there, and translated to the fact that those who were speaking in tongues were actually cursing God. Spiritual gifts are to edify the congregation, not the self. On the day of Pentecost, people heard the message in their own language, not repetitive mumbo.
ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CHOSEN John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you John 13:18 "I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in (JESUS) him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
A man preaching BIBLICAL TRUTH like MacArthur is over-flowing with the Holy Spirit. One of the fruits of the Spirit is SELF-CONTROL not estatic speach, weird seizures on the ground or "slaying someone in the Spirit". Thank God for Expository preaching from John MacArthur.
@journalcrazy07 Amen! Paul Crouch critiquing John McArthur? John McArthur is Heavy weight; a true man of God; Paul Crouch should aspire to become more like him and drop the heretical "name it and claim" it false doctrines!!!
it's interesting to see that when john macarthur talks about other christians, he puts them down. when other christians talk about john macarthur, they lift him up.
The sad thing to see, is so many lives advocating these teachings, and following these reprobates! Worst yet; is to hear believers calling these wolfs..."mens of God" Now this is dangerous! Imagine the sheep inviting the wolf over for dinner,hmmm... Whats on the menu???
@zebb1111 hahaha, milk bibbers. there have been bold and direct preachers down thru the centuries like macarthur, frightening milk bibbers with the hard truth of the gospel. some things never change
@ljackso That Matthew 7:21-23 passage was not for people who have different opinions about "tounges"... Right before that passage Jesus taught about hypocrites (proclaimed believers who do not really love God). I would hope that as people seeking the fulfillment of God's will we could talk and disagree on things like the proper use of "tounges" without sending fellow believers to hell. If we can't show God's love to one another how can we show the world? 1Cor 13:1 Love is most important!
What is this fascination with fake tongues? I don't get it. It's jibberish and confusion and not edifying to anyone in audience. It doesn't validate anything either. Make yourself a student of the Bible and stop going for the nonsense.
The bible also says to rebuke those that are leading you astray., 2nd Peter. Let me ask you this: if you were driving with someone who didn't know the area but you knew there was a cliff 20 feet in front of them, would you tell them?
@onlineministries ...going on in 2 Timothy 2:25 that when God grants repentance it leads to the knowledge of the truth. Now as far as the etymology... If you study your greek, you will see that the words may vary slightly but always have the idea of a change of mind which ALWAYS leads to a change of heart which ALWAYS leads to a change of actions. Now... I ask you, do you change your mind without actions following them up???? Oh yea, I forgot--its a mystery... righ
they will know us by our love for each other..please stop debating. These are doctrinal issues not heart issues. John Macarthur didn't say he doesn't believe in Jesus or in the Holy Spirit. Love each other and cover each other's sin.
@godapproved So the question is, has your righteousness surpassed that of the pharisees? And if your answer is yes who told you that it has? How can you be so sure?
@onlineministries Most of what Yeshua commanded throughout the Gospels was to Repent as well as the same message from John the Baptist,not to mention the Epistles of Paul which constantly admonish the believer to repent and to offer their bodies as a living sacrifice. Are you saying that a believer should continue in sin?
@happyapplemint I think the issue and the debate is, Paul Crouch is NOT a precious Man of God and he is Mocking John MacArthur you may think his "Precious Man of god comment was sincere he is an "ear tickler" he says what he thinks people need to hear. People here are not idolizing John MacArthur they are rather defending what he teaches which is the true Gospel and not some knock down false "annointing" which is What Paul Crouch suggests he needs.
Luther was wrong saying we are utterly corrupt and therefore are doomed always to sin. We are saved NOW by God moving us to 1st Believe, and 2nd, to do good works We truly, by Jesus' help(grace) can be Holy as God is Holy(1Pet 1:15-16). We can reject the sins of our weak human nature(the flesh) and live according to the Spirit(see Galatians 5:16 ff) And Luther "Sola Scriptura" led to "as many "Christianities" as there were heads" according to a disillusioned Luther himself.
@mathew115 i'm assuming that by "lacks the fire of the Holy Spirit" you mean lacks a display of emotion. as if truth needs to be backed by emotion and charismatic nonsense...
Speaking in tongues should not be translated in any language and should no one try to translate it into a known him language. Because believe me, some of English words also sound very cursing as I would translate them into my native . The speaking in tongues is addressed to the God and He doesn't need to convert it into a human language " to understand it better".It is for Hes ears not for church or fellow worshipers.
Those false doctriners need rebukes so they'll stop false teachings. You'd have him remain silent & let the false teachings continue? I have always loved Billy Graham, but when he teaches that salvation isn't required to enter Heaven, along with Dr. Schuler, even they need to be corrected. Unless of course you don't think that is scriptural. So eat, drink & be merry "& don't just tell God you want a Cadillac. Tell him what color you like!"? Where is it in scripture to "name it & claim it"?
Rev. Paul Crouch, I find some of your own witness and teaching lacking. Let's go back to clean up the mote in our own eye, before we attempt to clear the beam from our brothers? Jesus is coming soon, let us be watching and praying. And let us be truthful, and faithful. So many lost, so little time, I feel so sad that people are led astray by the simplest things, but usually, it's money.
@onlineministries -- Faith in the finished work on the cross of Calvary A.D. 33 includes repentance from sin. The doctrine of election to His chosen brings total holiness, while the flesh sins here and there -- the christian hates his life in this world and has the world behind him. Paul Crouch dogma of 'second baptism' by speaking in tongues is not doctrinal. Every born again christian has been baptized in the Holy Ghost by Jesus Christ. "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" (New Testament).
@zebb1111 Has any noticed those slain by the Spirit or those falling backward were in Sodom, and at the Garden of Gethsemane, HYH SAID RISE UP AND WALK!
thats all we need, John maccarthur slain in the same spirit as these milk bibbers. slain in the spirit...no thanks. I'd rather be content with what God has given me...a Spirit that helps me understand scripture and keeps me from sinning when I walk inthe Spirit. I havent seen anybody role around on the ground and say anything even remotely spiritual or meaningful. Luther and the early protetant reformers didnt need to be slain and no one better dare say they weren't filled with the Holy spirit.
Hi can you please share with me your list of "50 scripture references to prove Him (Jesus) right. "Death and life are in the POWER of the TONGUE" you can send via private message. Thanks :)
The baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is the seal of the purchase that you are HIS. the parable of the Ten Virgins explains this very thing. 5 Wise and 5 foolish The wise had the "lamp" which are obedience to the commands of God (torah); The "oil" is the Holy Spirit. The foolish had the commands but not the Holy Spirit thats why they could not get "in". Tongus are for EVERY believer!! Don't read your Bible...STUDY!!!! it is your life and your children
didnt you watch the videowhere John macarthur was bad-mouthing joel osteen? Jesus said to love one another and pray for our enemies. but no. john macarthur did the hypocritical thing and talked about or "gossiped" about him (which the Scripture clearly teaches us not to gossip). he is a Pharisee just like all the rest.
did you hear the audience clap in this. john macarthur is not God but he is a Man of God. wow i take it they just didn't know what type of idle talk they was agreeing too. Sad!!! Better yet he knew what he said. he rather see john running around like a mad man speaking in a tongue that no one understands than hear the man of God preach the truth. i can't watch tbn. Sad to watch most of the time. People be agreeing to anything that be said on there.
Paul Crouch has about as much credibility as Harry Potter.
@mathew115 So in saying MacArthur "lack the fire of the Holy Spirit," do you mean he doesn't scream and yell and sweat and have emotionally stimulating music playing while he preaches, etc.? God speaks mightily through MacArthur and others like him because they "rightly divide the Word of truth."
I disagree with Dr. MacArthur on some issues, but he beats Crouch, Avanzini, etc. even on his worst day.
I was just thinking about this today...I grew up in a pentecostal church which constantly described its ministers as "so anointed" as if there are levels of anointing. That church does not exist today. The corporation was dissolved.
McArthur wasn't "bad-mouthing" Joel Osteen. I watched the same video you did. Rather, considering the fact that he himself is a pastor, he is simply instructing his congregants not to follow Osteens teachings Somebody please tell me where the scriptures instruct us to go along [with any/everthing] to get along. Truth is exclusive. That's its nature. I've listened to Mcarthur for decades mostly because it's his aim to preach only what comes from the Bible.
John is an amazing man of God. I love his teachings & I believe he has more courage to speak on issues that these people wouldn't touch with a stick. Very rarely do I disagree with John & when I do, their are topic that aren't important at all. He's a fine man of God, brother is Christ, & i'd listen to him over these people any day of the week & twice on Sundays. I'm not damning these individuals, if they say they love Christ fine. However I'd say they also love the spotlight also.
@frank0067 Amen brother. These so called "preachers" are in for a surprise. We are so blessed to have such great preachers like MacArthur like they had like the old days such as Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, Ravenhill and the great Puritans. Again God bless you brother for discerning God's truth.
FROM THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH...by the words the comes out from one'e mouth is his true character and way of life...REPENTANCE IN TERRIBLY NEEDED!
i'd love him to say that in front john macarthur lol
slain in the spirit? Where's that at in the scripture?
"Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces, and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." (Mark 12:38-40)
Shamed on these people mocking on behind of others.
But God is righteous. Praise Lord Jesus forever. Amen.
I agree with you wholeheartedly! I was in my middle teens when I had my first (and only!) personal encounter with people "speaking in tongues". Being brought up in church, I knew enough, even back then, that there HAD to be an interpreter of the tongue spoken. Instead, I was surrounded by people mumbling and shouting a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Not one interpreter among them! It scared me to death and all I kept thinking was "Chaos. God isn't the author of confusion.). I've heard (cont)
I would expect a back handed crack like that from that old demon to a TRUE man of GOD...
A bit of good reading..."Charismatic Chaos" by John MacArthur. Very interesting.
Paul Crouch is not even addressing the issues that John MacArthur is talking about.
Britney Crouch, Paul Crouches granddaughter, was the former financial director of TBN. She is being sued by Paul and Jan after she reported their embezzlement of over 60 million dollars by TBN. Britney on blog talk radio boldly admitted her grandfather is an alcoholic, that Paul hasn't lived with his wife, Jan for 25 years, that while he had a homosexual relationship, her grandmother had several affairs with younger men.
I agree . John MacArthur is able to preach and teach the sound ,scriptural message that he does consistently purely because The Holy Spirit uses God's inspired Word (IE The Bible) through which to talk to us today. It would be great if believers sought God through His Word rather than looking for 'experiences ' instead !
The day John Macarthur becomes like you paul,is the day i stop listening to him,but i'm convinced that John Macarthur is a true Man of God so i'm not worried about that,God bless Pastor Macarthur and i'll pray for you paul.
John Macarthur was "bad mouthing" Joels doctrine. Joel teaches his flock to pursure the pleasures of this world health and wealth. Jesus give us new life to overcome this world and give us new desires, spiritual ones and we find great joy that our treasure is in heaven, and we renounce all claims to treasure here and now for the sake of the cross. Anyone who desires and pursues the things of this world has not been born again.
Interesting how the TBN audience aplauds in the end. And yet, although a different audicen, but nontheless TBN fans, were awed when John MacArthur visited TBN as Kirk Camerons guest.
To all those who believe that their repentence leaves them now perfect, I speak for all the others.
To preach repentence for the forgiveness of sins is to preach Jesus, who took our place as sinners and truly repented (as we sinners cannot....after all, we love our sins, right?). So we do not preach the repentence of ourselves, but the repentence of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.
@onlineministries What part of "go and sin no more" don't you understand?
Absolutely Jet. I agree 100%.
@thepainter3 honest question: is it God's desire that we all learn the original Greek and Hebrew in order to get the 'true testament', or is it possible that God lead certain men to translate english and mandarin and french and all other languages of the gospel?
Mr. Crouch, it would amuse me to see you hold your breath until you see John MacArthur wiggling around on your floor.
So, you can be a "precious man of God," but you still need to be "slain in the Spirit." There were many "precious men of God" in the Bible. How come none of them were ever slain in the Spirit?
Languages NOT gibberish!
obviously you have not read verses where Paul tells Christians too look out for false preachers, and Jesus telling off the Pharisees, and I think it was John calling people antichrists, you need to get back to reading the Bible since you do not approve of Christians rebuking false teachers.
the fact is that in the early church they did demonstrate their love in praise and dance and gifts. Whether luther or anybody else didnt isnt the issue.
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thats the Spirit of God! thats the joy that God has given His people! thats is worship! if you have a problem with having a joyous worship time with God, then you shouldnt even bother to call yourself a Christian.
blind leading the blind!
Death and life are in the power of God. It is not in our tongues. The Word Faith movement is heretical and blasphemous. Go ahead and send your 50 verses, your proof texting (isogesis) and poor hermeneutics are wrong. Our hope is in the Lord, not in our own words, not even in our own faith (Psalm 33:20-22). He doesn't need our faith, He is the object of faith (Mark 11:22; Hebrews 11:3).
Speaking in tongues is fine as long as it is biblical. There must be an interpreter there.
amen maybe john will be on there again when Paul can make it. and then they can discuss, the whole how is it john preaches what he does.
Let us just live the life, and leave the separation work to GOD.
@kepnjem Look up "Kenneth Hagin and kenneth Copeland - Pentecostal Bedlam" on youtube. You won't believe your eyes! I was shocked and sickened that i ever listened to these two!
@mathew115 John MacArthur shows plenty of fire in his sermons I witness this first hand, his sermons are biblical and bible exposition would be describe his sermon approach, he might be too bold or truthful for those used to mainstream churches and don't quite want the whole truth if you know what I mean... and he is very passionate but not to the point of acting like some people, atleast it seems this way to me.
if that's what Paul Crouch is waiting on then I would not recommend him holding his breath. not going to happen.
@happyapplemint Yes but then he say's sarcastically that John needs to be filled with the Holy Ghost and that he(paul) won't be happy until he sees John laid out- slain in the spirit.
You are correct, the gifts are to edify the church, and tongues is a sign to the unbeliever, but tongues is the one gift that edifies the individual, not the church.
I grew up in Pentecostal church and there has never been a message or interpretation where the body of Christ (his people) were not encouraged. Jesus is pure love.
Like a pastor said "One experience is worth a thousand arguments"
Jesus is going toe return to pick up his church and very soon. The signs are all around us. Keep your eyes on Israel. They are God's chosen people. He will keep them safe no matter what comes about !
Thanks for reading. Get Saved !
Almost all the preachers who bad mouth the Baptism in the Holy Ghost
do so because they have not received it themselves. Its an "F" on their
report card if they actually believed in it but have not experienced it, so
its easier for them to deny Jesus baptizes in the Holy Ghost and fire
than it is to fervently seek the Acts chapter 2 infilling. I was a skeptic
but believed the Word of God, so I fasted and prayed for Jesus to fill
me just as He says He will and 8 months later I received. Its REAL!
I can't wait until John McArthur is filled with the Spirit and speaking in tongues!!!
It happened to Charles Swindoll, who I was also praying would be!!!
David Wilkerson said his grand dad was preaching AGAINST tongues when he was filled with the Spirit and started speaking in tongues.
Is there anything too hard for God???
I wait in joyful anticipation.
Nope your dead wrong, sounds like your god in money!
Bottom line, there is no Biblical example for anyone falling down or being overcome by some spiritual force that would explain today's "slain" in the spirit. If it's not supported by scripture I think it's best to stay away from the practice. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
@onlineministries -- yep, that is a classical dispensational argument that never holds water. I could debate this for years, but here is a part of it. If we are told to preach repentance for the forgiveness of sins--Luke 24:47 and if Paul preached repentance to the Jews and the Greeks--Acts 20:21 with Acts 26:20 giving even a more appropriate backup that repentance is for Gentiles and it is a turning to God which means that we must turn away from our former way of life....
I just discovered John MacArthur online a couple days ago and I liked it when he stuck strictly to the Bible. Where I have a problem is when people quit preaching and start meddling. He said women should not preach or teach. I know women God has used mightily! How does he (john mac) know God's will for someone else? The new testament says "in the last days God will pour out of his spirit on all flesh; sons AND daughters will prophesy." Rightly divide the Word, brother.
Did Paul "gossip" about the false teachings he rebuked?? No. The Bible tells us to call out the false teachers. Keeping quiet is how we got to the point that ANY heretical teaching is accepted.
Speaking in tongues is when one with understanding is speaking distinctly the precepts of scripture; these very words are an unknown tongue to those without understanding.
Paul spake in tongues more than all because he retained more of the Lord's words in his heart. When he spake, often times his understanding was unfruitful to those that could not rightly divide the word.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue,my spirit prayeth,but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Cor14:14
Read Isaiah 28:9-13
@Hebrews927: Amen!!! These are the ones the bible speaks of. Paraphrased: Did not we prophesy in Your name, did we not case out demons and go great things? Jesus said, away from Me you evildoers I NEVER knew you! May God have mercy on their souls!
I've never been in a meeting where tongues were spoken in accordance to scripture. The Bible says test the spirits to see if they are of God. I heard someone preach that in a meeting where tongues were spoken, a man who knew Hebrew was there, and translated to the fact that those who were speaking in tongues were actually cursing God. Spiritual gifts are to edify the congregation, not the self. On the day of Pentecost, people heard the message in their own language, not repetitive mumbo.
@muffinman9797 You must be talking about some other John. Maybe John Avanzini?
ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CHOSEN
John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you
John 13:18 "I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen
Ephesians 1:4 For he chose us in (JESUS) him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
@Romatic32005
agreed
A man preaching BIBLICAL TRUTH like MacArthur is over-flowing with the Holy Spirit. One of the fruits of the Spirit is SELF-CONTROL not estatic speach, weird seizures on the ground or "slaying someone in the Spirit". Thank God for Expository preaching from John MacArthur.
amen!!!!
@journalcrazy07 Amen! Paul Crouch critiquing John McArthur? John McArthur is Heavy weight; a true man of God; Paul Crouch should aspire to become more like him and drop the heretical "name it and claim" it false doctrines!!!
it's interesting to see that when john macarthur talks about other christians, he puts them down. when other christians talk about john macarthur, they lift him up.
The sad thing to see, is so many lives advocating these teachings, and following these reprobates! Worst yet; is to hear believers calling these wolfs..."mens of God" Now this is dangerous! Imagine the sheep inviting the wolf over for dinner,hmmm... Whats on the menu???
repent & believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
@onlineministries The Bible does say we must stop sinning if we belong to Christ. Read 1 John 3:3-10.
@zebb1111 hahaha, milk bibbers. there have been bold and direct preachers down thru the centuries like macarthur, frightening milk bibbers with the hard truth of the gospel. some things never change
@ljackso That Matthew 7:21-23 passage was not for people who have different opinions about "tounges"... Right before that passage Jesus taught about hypocrites (proclaimed believers who do not really love God). I would hope that as people seeking the fulfillment of God's will we could talk and disagree on things like the proper use of "tounges" without sending fellow believers to hell. If we can't show God's love to one another how can we show the world? 1Cor 13:1 Love is most important!
What is this fascination with fake tongues? I don't get it. It's jibberish and confusion and not edifying to anyone in audience. It doesn't validate anything either. Make yourself a student of the Bible and stop going for the nonsense.
The bible also says to rebuke those that are leading you astray., 2nd Peter. Let me ask you this: if you were driving with someone who didn't know the area but you knew there was a cliff 20 feet in front of them, would you tell them?
your own prayer language should be between you and God, no one else
it's because of the Holy Ghost John Mcarthur can stand on the truth,and lack of the Holy Ghost that pauls doctrine is corrupted.
Apparently this guy hasn't read charismatic chaos....
@onlineministries ...going on in 2 Timothy 2:25 that when God grants repentance it leads to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as far as the etymology... If you study your greek, you will see that the words may vary slightly but always have the idea of a change of mind which ALWAYS leads to a change of heart which ALWAYS leads to a change of actions. Now... I ask you, do you change your mind without actions following them up???? Oh yea, I forgot--its a mystery... righ
John MacArthur... is one of the few preachers who speaks the truth based on the Holy word of God! You can laugh all you want, but He is God's man.!
they will know us by our love for each other..please stop debating. These are doctrinal issues not heart issues. John Macarthur didn't say he doesn't believe in Jesus or in the Holy Spirit. Love each other and cover each other's sin.
@godapproved So the question is, has your righteousness surpassed that of the pharisees? And if your answer is yes who told you that it has? How can you be so sure?
Come back to the roots of CHISTIANITY... Catholic Christianity...May God the almighty bless all of you!!
@jsauvageot1 that's right!
@luvdady yes it is the Bible; it's called 'repentance'.
@happyapplemint he was actually making fun of him
@onlineministries Most of what Yeshua commanded throughout the Gospels was to Repent as well as the same message from John the Baptist,not to mention the Epistles of Paul which constantly admonish the believer to repent and to offer their bodies as a living sacrifice. Are you saying that a believer should continue in sin?
"Slain is the spirit" is Biblical. The term might not be, but the experience is: 1 Kings 8:10-11, Daniel 8:27, Daniel 10:8-11, John 18:4-6
@happyapplemint I think the issue and the debate is, Paul Crouch is NOT a precious Man of God and he is Mocking John MacArthur you may think his "Precious Man of god comment was sincere he is an "ear tickler" he says what he thinks people need to hear. People here are not idolizing John MacArthur they are rather defending what he teaches which is the true Gospel and not some knock down false "annointing" which is What Paul Crouch suggests he needs.
Luther was wrong saying we are utterly corrupt and therefore are doomed always to sin. We are saved NOW by God moving us to 1st Believe, and 2nd, to do good works
We truly, by Jesus' help(grace) can be Holy as God is Holy(1Pet 1:15-16). We can reject the sins of our weak human nature(the flesh) and live according to the Spirit(see Galatians 5:16 ff) And Luther "Sola Scriptura" led to "as many "Christianities" as there were heads" according to a disillusioned Luther himself.
@mathew115 i'm assuming that by "lacks the fire of the Holy Spirit" you mean lacks a display of emotion. as if truth needs to be backed by emotion and charismatic nonsense...
According to Jesus, speaking in tongues is a sign of those who believe (Mark 16:17, Acts 1:5; 2:4; 19:6).
Speaking in tongues should not be translated in any language and should no one try to translate it into a known him language. Because believe me, some of English words also sound very cursing as I would translate them into my native . The speaking in tongues is addressed to the God and He doesn't need to convert it into a human language " to understand it better".It is for Hes ears not for church or fellow worshipers.
ha paul crouch can say that cause john macarthur isn't there.
Paul is looking his age these days.
@maddoxmalcolm Amen!
@lovejoypeaceforever 'Paul Crouch dogma of 'second baptism' by speaking in tongues is not doctrinal.' Amen.
yes but john mac needs to learn that forsaking your sins aint in there either.
also john mac Denys the literal blood of Christ.
Those false doctriners need rebukes so they'll stop false teachings. You'd have him remain silent & let the false teachings continue? I have always loved Billy Graham, but when he teaches that salvation isn't required to enter Heaven, along with Dr. Schuler, even they need to be corrected. Unless of course you don't think that is scriptural. So eat, drink & be merry "& don't just tell God you want a Cadillac. Tell him what color you like!"? Where is it in scripture to "name it & claim it"?
Rev. Paul Crouch, I find some of your own witness and teaching lacking. Let's go back to clean up the mote in our own eye, before we attempt to clear the beam from our brothers? Jesus is coming soon, let us be watching and praying. And let us be truthful, and faithful. So many lost, so little time, I feel so sad that people are led astray by the simplest things, but usually, it's money.
John MacArthur needs to be overwhelmed by the Holy Ghost?!? Are we to assume that the people on this video have been?!!? Give me a break!!!
@onlineministries -- Faith in the finished work on the cross of Calvary A.D. 33 includes repentance from sin. The doctrine of election to His chosen brings total holiness, while the flesh sins here and there -- the christian hates his life in this world and has the world behind him. Paul Crouch dogma of 'second baptism' by speaking in tongues is not doctrinal. Every born again christian has been baptized in the Holy Ghost by Jesus Christ. "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" (New Testament).
@zebb1111 Has any noticed those slain by the Spirit or those falling backward were in Sodom, and at the Garden of Gethsemane, HYH SAID RISE UP AND WALK!
Thank God for the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of Speaking in tongues.
thats all we need, John maccarthur slain in the same spirit as these milk bibbers. slain in the spirit...no thanks. I'd rather be content with what God has given me...a Spirit that helps me understand scripture and keeps me from sinning when I walk inthe Spirit. I havent seen anybody role around on the ground and say anything even remotely spiritual or meaningful. Luther and the early protetant reformers didnt need to be slain and no one better dare say they weren't filled with the Holy spirit.
Hi can you please share with me your list of "50 scripture references to prove Him (Jesus) right. "Death and life are in the POWER of the TONGUE" you can send via private message. Thanks :)
The baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is the seal of the purchase that you are HIS. the parable of the Ten Virgins explains this very thing.
5 Wise and 5 foolish The wise had the "lamp" which are obedience to the commands of God (torah); The "oil" is the Holy Spirit.
The foolish had the commands but not the Holy Spirit thats why they could not get "in". Tongus are for EVERY believer!! Don't read your Bible...STUDY!!!! it is your life and your children
didnt you watch the videowhere John macarthur was bad-mouthing joel osteen? Jesus said to love one another and pray for our enemies. but no. john macarthur did the hypocritical thing and talked about or "gossiped" about him (which the Scripture clearly teaches us not to gossip). he is a Pharisee just like all the rest.
did you hear the audience clap in this. john macarthur is not God but he is a Man of God. wow i take it they just didn't know what type of idle talk they was agreeing too. Sad!!! Better yet he knew what he said. he rather see john running around like a mad man speaking in a tongue that no one understands than hear the man of God preach the truth. i can't watch tbn. Sad to watch most of the time. People be agreeing to anything that be said on there.
why do you lie about John MacArthur?