This needs way more thumbs up than it has. This goes over so many heads. We’re so surprised when humans sin .. instead of focusing on the only sinless man!
Too much power and adoration. Maybe the mega churches in general are on their way out. I expect it goes on in smaller churches, as well, but probably not for as long or as often.
@estherstrategicadvisor749 Unfortunately it does everywhere. The fact that it wasn't dealt with properly and he ended up getting esteemed to be one of the faces of Christianity just makes more unbelievers not want to come to Christ. Why would they when the church is just as wicked as the world?
His wife definitely knew for 35 years. She didnt report his felony sexual assault of a 12yr old and even made the victim apologize to her. A child was abused and the child had to apologize because your husband is nasty. Their is overemphasis of the fact that he reported his failure to the elders. Reporting to elders does not alleviate the responsibility to report a crime.
I can't even believe his wife went along with all this cover up and standing by him in ministry for over 30 years...I mean who does that. I read from Cindy that the wife of Robert Morris called Cindy and told her(the minor victim) that she forgave her for committing adultery with her husband!!......I am livid to read that. How could you stay married to a pediphile? How could the pastors wife be OK with him being in the church with other people's children....What part of that is of God?
I think Robert Morris wife, Debbie, is complicit in this. She knew he was molesting a minor back in 1987. She had the audacity to call Cindy and say she forgave her. What a disgusting family. I sincerely hope when they come back to Texas from Greece, they are treated as pariahs.
“Things changed when she turned sixteen….. Cindy confided in a close friend (G.F.) who knew both families. Her friend said she needed to tell her parents…. Morris reportedly stepped down from ministry for two years. Cindy received a call from Debbie Morris, who told Cindy that she “forgave her.” Debbie is a mother. It is inconceivable to me that a mother would blame a 12-year-old child for her husband’s abuse. Cindy believes that Robert Morris might have told Debbie it was “Cindy’s fault!’ Cindy said things fell apart at this point. Their circle of family friends was no more.”
It's a miracle that she is still a christian after that. That could destroy a person if she was harmed by a stranger who was criminal, but a family friend that preached for her fathers church. She is an incredible woman.
So by these comments, we as christians shouldn't reach out to the lost... 35yrs is alot? We were all morally bankrupt before Christ...and it's by His strength we're keeping on....Him that has no sin should cast the first stone!
Conclusion: Jesus is about to burst the skies open with His return!🔥 More than ever I believe God's Word because the very things written are happening more than ever!!😢 "IT'S TIME TO OIL OUR LAMPS"... less we be found NOT ready to welcome HIS return!! 🙌📖😇
@freddymabetha7946 I believe you are saying that sexual sin is something that can start small and if left unattended and un-crucified it can mutate into something more demonic and destroy you and everyone around you. Edit: I deleted my last comment because I felt convicted over it. I apologize.
@@Kentariushave you even heard his ridiculous sermons?? 😂😂😂 Yea, that homie didn't even preach the damn Word as it is written.... what makes you think his repentance was real??
Most mega churches are owned by the pastor and started by the pastor. I don't think they can fire him. I attend the church, and he hid thus very well. He should be in jail but I doubt it.
@TheALIDA1986 grown enough to be married with a child and pursue ministry? Grown enough to do this over the course of 4 years until the age of 26 or so. I recognize there may be different perspectives on how the situation should've been handled but let's not make excuses for adults or try to redefine what constitutes an adult.
@@TheALIDA1986 again, I'm not making a judgment about the aftermath and the handling of the situation. Just simply addressing the comment bringing into question his adulthood when this occurred. I believe he was a full grown man at 21 years of age and the legal system supports that as well.
Mothers and fathers, ESPECIALLY single moms..do NOT allow your children to be alone with adults you don’t know well. Watch your children. Be mindful of sleepovers, camp trip (may wanna chaperone, or request specific details on who will be over the children, what are their rules as far as if their requiring more than 1 person when a child is being assisted in anyway). Laws need to be put in place in ALL childcare facilities INCLUDING youth ministries.
If the leaders of the church did not fear God enough to ask deep questions years ago, then they are complicit in child abuse. All of them should resign along with the son of the pastor. Deep repentance is needed.
I saw this on the news yesterday, at this point nothing is shocking anymore, it's just sad. I know what the bible says about the last days and those things are happening.
The leaders or elders are worse , they did just like the world , protecting him and his family and they covered by lying and saying they didn’t know the part he left out that she was 12 years of age . Forgive me but they are lying and forgive me for saying this but it’s all about the money $$$$$$$ . Greed of money and pride .. church keeps using that word as an excuse he committed a moral sin , but don’t want to say the truth and that is what really is horrible . The world is just laughing at the Christian’s and satan is saying wow I did it again , I crawled into the flesh and my pride was enough to cover his sin .. Every parent should be running out of that church especially if they have children because no one there will protect them or care for the body of Christ . The bride is so dirty and stain , and Christ will come back for that clean and pure bride .
I am new to your channel. This is really hard to watch because the church my husband and I left we had NO idea the sin that was running rampant. We knew something was off but could not pinpoint it. We were lied to by leadership time and time again. The cover up was sickening and it was when we left that we could SEE the lies. I pray for my brothers and sisters in his congregation because I have been where they are and my heart❤ goes out to them. Awakening is happening!!
Bro I’ve been at this church for 15 years I had real conversations with this pdf file we all got bamboozled bro he’s cooked and I’m never going back to this corporate church. 🤬
Pastor Robert is now finally free. He that the Lord sets free, is free indeed. What happened hit everyone. He couldn’t say the age “12” because he knew it was wrong which he has openly admitted himself but the lady has only helped him vocalize what he couldn’t bring himself to say because it is not something he is proud of. He was asked to step down from a previous ministry for 2 years for repentance which he submitted himself to the authority of the elders of the church at the time-WAY BEFORE GATEWAY CHURCH WAS FORMED. Also, the elders of the church at the time of the occurrence KNEW her age AND had disciplined him accordingly in the way they thought was best. Pastor Morris must have suffered shame for his actions at that time with that congregation of the previous church. Now 40 years later, he is being subjected to same fire once again for the same thing. Pastor Robert’s testimony (which he TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME) is based on how BAD he was and how God has shown him GRACE PERIOD (that’s one of his most recent books). He knew who he was 40 years ago and knows who he is now. Most importantly, God knows who he is NOW. “ Say unto the righteous it shall be well with him”. I pray for the lady as well, that she would indeed find what she is looking for and be wrapped in the arms of the father, soaked in his love and be totally healed in Jesus name. Amen.
Pastor Robert is now finally free. He that the Lord sets free, is free indeed. What happened hit everyone. He couldn’t say the age “12” because he knew it was wrong which he has openly admitted himself but the lady has only helped him vocalize what he couldn’t bring himself to say because it is not something he is proud of. He was asked to step down from a previous ministry for 2 years for repentance which he submitted himself to the authority of the elders of the church at the time-WAY BEFORE GATEWAY CHURCH WAS FORMED. Also, the elders of the church at the time of the occurrence KNEW her age AND had disciplined him accordingly in the way they thought was best. Pastor Morris must have suffered shame for his actions at that time with that congregation of the previous church. Now 40 years later, he is being subjected to same fire once again for the same thing. Pastor Robert’s testimony (which he TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME) is based on how BAD he was and how God has shown him GRACE PERIOD (that’s one of his most recent books). He knew who he was 40 years ago and knows who he is now. Most importantly, God knows who he is NOW. “ Say unto the righteous it shall be well with him”. I pray for the lady as well, that she would indeed find what she is looking for and be wrapped in the arms of the father, soaked in his love and be totally healed in Jesus name. Amen.
According to an eye witness who was working at Shady Grove Church, he was originally sent to Shady Grove Church which became Gateway Church and was a traveling evangelist. He was married at 19 and at 21 was allowed to stay at the victims home when he was in town where he began the molestation on Christmas Day or as he calls it a "moral failure" or "inappropriate". He told her NOT to tell anyone. According to reports once he realized it may come out after four years of molesting her and he had been removed from his current ministry; James Robinson (Life Outreach) got somehow involved. He then took him to Shady Grove for "restoration". According to an eye witness the pastor Olen Griffing (a previous Texas State Trooper), James Robinson and another elder went to the girls home and MET with her parents. They all KNEW. Just so you know Olen Griffing is STILL at Gateway as an Apostolic Elder meaning over everyone as a leader in that church!! I can imagine they convinced the parents this would cause grevious harm to the church if this came out. Vile. After his so called restoration he was made an Elder at the ripe old age of 29. Just 3 Years after the molestation had ceased when the victim was 16. In his books and statements he referred to her as a young lady! He abused his position and power to groom the child and then went on to groom the church. He is part of a group of mega church pastors called ARK that all protect each other. He is said to currently be worth over 100 million. They are Pharisees and people need to read Matthew 24 over and over where Jesus confronts these Sons of Hell. Oh and BTW Roberts wife was kind enough to call the victim and tell her she forgave her!! He blamed the victim calling her flurtatious, a jezabelle and he was the VICTIM. She was 12! Pause on this, after years of therapy she obtained a lawyer to get some reimbursement for her therapy and offered half of what she ask for which was NOTHING and wanted her to sign an NDA she said no thank goodness. Repentence must be followed up by restitution and he should have been turned over to the authorities. And yes I was a an adult and mother at that time and men went to jail for molestation and rape of young girls.
I am not defending his actions but I was a member of gateway and they really did help me in some low times of my life I pray for all parties and just very disappointing and sad but God will handle this
GOD helped you not the church. “Woman/man don’t you know the hour is coming when neither the temple of old or temples existing now will no longer be here and GOD is looking for people who worship him in truth and in spirit…”
I think that’s a bunch of BS that he gets to sit down for two years after he has been a pedophile for 4 1/2 years just to be in the ministry for 30 years becomes a multi millionaires work like $50 million become very successful it’s a fine line between Christianity forgiveness he committed a crime a crime against a child where Cindy now has to live with the result of that for the rest of her life. I’m just not understanding why the church didn’t go deeper into that that’s the first thing I would ask how old was this girl? There’s too many things swept under the rug behind the cloth, I’m sick of it
@@kimberleywittrock3113 Some reports are that after one month (not 2 years) he was sent off with another well known evangelist to assist in a different capacity. You know that when it got reported by the girl's dad a couple of men from the church came to their home. Of course they knew her age. They knew then and had to have know when they told her they wanted her to sign an NDA also. They would be better off not making a statement if they can't keep their story straight. What a mess.
I believe the report said that the father of the young girl threatened either Robert Morris' pastor and or the elders that if Robert did not resign, he would go to the police. The fact that he was talking about the situation that involved his daughter solidifies the fact that they knew it was in regards to the 12-year-old little girl, in my opinion. So, I don't believe the church is being forthright.
My heart is so heavy because I went to gateway for so many years and never knew any of this. I was in the audience when he talked about that in 2014. I'm so broken right now. Like my kids were raised in this church like I felt the anointing And felt Good things that God did there.
You allowed your children to be shepherded by a predator.
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So many have such poor discernment and don’t read the Bible at all. Mega churches aren’t even biblical AT ALL. You were probably there to make friends and network.
Cindy, the victim, wrote a letter and tried to sue the church in 2005, detailing the abuse and her age at the time. The church elders have known since at least 2005, 19 YEARS! Shame on them. Cindy asked for $50,000 to cover her counseling expenses and the church countered with $25,000 and a NDA. She has been trying to get people to listen to her for years.
The gifts of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29. No one's sermons are 100% infallible. It's not wrong that God was able to give many of us fruitful nuggets of godly wisdom through his teachings. The important thing is discernment. Test every word of wisdom, number 1 against God's written word, and number 2 by prayerfully taking it all to the Lord. He alone can help us hold to what is good and let loose of what is evil. Every born-again believer has the Holy Spirit, and He has a ministry available to all of us, but He will force it on none of us. Jesus laid His ministry out perfectly when He told His disciples it's better for you if I go! So that the helper will come, and He will lead you into all truth and teach you all things! I pray that Robert Morris can finally humble himself and trust God and take full accountability for his actions, and I pray that the lady can trust the Lord despite the deep wounds she has suffered and that she will be willing to be comforted by God so that He can show her, He is not as man is!
The very fact that the elders claim they didn't know the details (age of young lady, etc) reveals that the elders were incompetent and compromised themselves. I've been in charismatic ministry over 35 years and this type of dismissive attitude and incompetent church systems are the norm among independent ministries. The public only knows a few of the abuses.
Representative/Pastor Nate Schatzline is from my church Mercy Culture, in Ft Worth, is a freshman TX state rep, who is bringing biblical reformation in the legislative branch and culture in Texas. He’s the real deal, he has enemies on both sides of the isle in the Texas house from his first day, refusing to go along to get along. The first day when he was sworn in he did the unthinkable (to politicians) and voted against the rhino speaker of the house against his republican colleagues demands. He also fought an uphill battle and brought Prop 14 to the floor which finally got passed last year, banning child gender mutilation and hormone mutilation in the state of Texas
I have deep deep empathy for both. Sin is horrendous and we end up doing detrimental/sickening things. I do think he should willing receive any consequence that is rendered for this even though he has repented. And I pray for her healing.
We were members of this church for a few years. Left in 2020 bc we knew something was off. Had we known he was unqualified, as a spiritual leader, we would have never darkened the door of that place.
I wend there for a couple of years and I figured out Morris was a bully and was after everyone's money, but I would not have predicted he was a pedophile.
I think why so many of the elders were led to the wrong conclusion about what happened was because he was married. Like this particular elder said, language can be used in a way to fog the truth. What Morris probably said was that he had had an inappropriate relationship with a young lady, and the fact that he was married led the elders to the incorrect conclusion that the immoral sin he was referring to was adultery. However, Cindy did say that she told many elders and pastors what really happened. That is where I start to wonder how honest these elders are being with themselves and with the public. My heart goes out to her, prayers also.
I don’t think the MALE Elders are being on the up and up with the public. On Friday after news about Cindy came out, they were real quick to dismiss her claims and say this event happened 35 years ago so what’s the big deal. Only after the outrage by the public did they backpedal. I am so disgusted that they are so spineless. And at the time did not show any grace or compassion for Cindy.
@KansasMiss-mf4bj That is abhorrent! Anyone who has dealt with this type of trauma knows that it doesn't matter how long ago it happened, it stays with you. I have a very close family member who dealt with this type of abuse from another family member, and it affects you for the rest of your life. Yes, you learn how to live with it and forgive, but it's another thing entirely to forget. I really just don't get it. It is unbelievable how prevalent this is in our society. God has truly given their minds over to the depravity they crave.
I had his book the blessed life when I was listening to Transformation Church, just so happen i got this news and basketball hooped that book right in the trash ❤ nothing blessed you but the Devil
At this point ALL churches need to do an investigation on their pastors to be sure this has not happened at their church. They need to do their due dilligence and start cleaning house.
The Shady Grove elders knew not Gateway's. This all happen at Shady Grove. That pastor, James Robison and Robert Morris should go to jail. Nick, Justin Peters has a pastor from Gateway on today.
Justin's guest says Morris confided in him when Cindy came back around in 2005. The guy didn't start working there until a few years later. So, no, Justin's video has mostly gossip and much hate and division..as usual
@@Here12years The guest had two stints at Gateway and was there 2005. Also that pastor was in the Gateway network of churches serving in between stints at Gateway.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bj he did not work at Shady Grove! He did not work at gateway in 2005 when he said morris confided to him. It's a bunch of gossip and a little truth. It's far from excellent!
Parents please listen up never let your kids out of your site when at a strangers home. There is no excuse for you letting your child go in a room with a grown man. I don’t care who he is. We must teach our kids that it’s not ok to be alone with an adult. Bring a friend bring your parents
That is unbiblical: children are not held responsible for the sins of their fathers. No doubt his children are horrified and humiliated by this disclosure and who could blame them.
I think there needs to be a firewall between Robert Morris and Gateway. The Elders should tell him that in no uncertain terms he is not welcome at the office or on any of the campuses. In addition, whatever benefits he is receiving like insurance, salary, expenses, retirement, etc. should stop. He made a choice and this is the consequence. But the MALE Elders don’t have the guts to do that.
I understand. We still should know who is being trusted with our children and held in an office of authority. He did break the law. We are not judging his salvation but condemning his actions against a child.
If we aren’t protecting kids, then it would be better to have millstones around our necks. The church should be proactive in rooting out crimes and abuses, not covering them up. We are also to avoid the appearance of evil and to hold each other accountable within the church.
Would you be saying this if it was your 12 year old daughter or son? Please read 1 Corinthians 5. God has given us authority as the Church to judge one another (hold one another accountable to holiness!). We are not to judge the world.
The thing I hate the most is the poor image it gives God Almighty😢 He has already suffered more than enough for us on the cross- why do we keep sacrificing Him?!?!
This is what causes more damage to the Gospel message when the church covers up (worldly) instead of being transparent through repentance (biblical). It makes the church no different than the world and gives non believers more reason to reject the Gospel! We can’t be mad at the world for being the world but we need to be righteously anger at the church for looking no different than the world! Every elder involved in this, needs to resign as well! Woe to them for their lack of integrity but they will give an account to God for all that!
I'm almost certain this man has the "gift of gab" and was very convincing of how "harmless" this disgusting act was..... I honestly think they just took his word or it, which is absolutely not OK. They need to dig deeper when it comes to these Leaders.
This is a sad situation all around. My heart goes out to Cindy, but also to her parents. It would be infuriating to be in their position. They trusted another adult to be around their child, and that adult horribly betrayed their trust. I pray that he has truly repented before God, and I pray that everyone affected is able to forgive and heal.
They had no idea because they did no authentic investigation. The no idea excuse is a way to create plausible deniability, they are complicit in the crimes of Morris & company!
They didn’t investigate b/c Morris came w/verified “credentials” of already having been thru “disciplinary restoration over 2 years” AND w/solid certification, blessing, commendation, promotion, and esteem by people like James Robison.
Nick when you asked the question how could they not follow up and investigate the crime he committed? Think about the time frame of the crime it was the early 80's. I am the same age as the victim and Robert Morris came in to ministry with a well known minister's blessing a James Robinson as his assistant. Discernment wasn't being taught in the church so they went on the good word of other ministries and ministers. Also no Internet and because he was never prosecuted it was easy for him to lie and narrate his own story.😒😒😒
Well, since "Prosperity Churches" regard Jesus as simply a "marketing tool", and/or as more of an "afterthought" behind the more important priority of convincing fools to give them all their money - I'm not surprised these (so called) "Elders" (conveniently) treated Morris's offenses with such a cavalier attitude, and (of course) they're going to use every trick in the book to cover their complicity in this terrible episode, and deny any responsibility (to keep money coming in).
These preachers are worried about filling up their coffers instead of bringing people to Christ! Run from these places if the leader isn't following the word of Jesus.
The problem is this man retroactively damaged the church to such a large degree in an age where the establishment is looking for any reason to start closing churches, and they have the judges to do it
Father God, . In The Mighty Name Of Jesus Christ, I pray 🙏🙏🙏🙏 4 Justice & Judgement 4 "The Churches of Christ" 4 Your Glory & 4 Your Kingdom Come Here In Earth As It Is In Heaven. Amen. 🙏
I feel so so bad for Cindy. So horrible. I pray that now that it’s finally out in the open that she can finally fully heal now. Just makes me cringe to think that he did things like this to her. Utterly disgusting 🤢
Speaking to how his ministry blew up even though he had done that. I think about those in the bible. Like Moses, killed a man, he ran and hid. Then God calls him out of hiding to save millions of people. Notice, he did not go to jail, face time and then God used him. God found him and used him anyway. So it's like what do you make of Moses account? The person Moses killed, we can assume, had family and now they grieve his loss. (We would probably excuse it cuz that person was also doing a bad thing but still he murdered him). Just saying, this is real real sad to hear and I just pray healing for everyone. Cuz I don't know all the answers.
@@youraveragewarden9774 I'd love to hear your explanation further? It is not really a direct comparison but the overall picture. Cuz I also think of Paul and David. I love them though just feel like I see a question is the premise similar at all?
That was the fastest restoration ever! Yes, it was one month, despite what the MALE Elders at Gateway want us to believe. Then he joined James Robison’s dog and pony show. And within 2 years was named an Elder of Shady Way. Just what every church needs! A child molester for an Elder.
The Lord was listening...but in His long-suffering He was also speaking to Robert Morris and all the guilty by association... covering up and spinning as a "moral failure" is not true repentance. God may delay in our timing but not on His and I praise His Holy Name for it! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Now is the perfect time for the Light of God to expose the darkness of hell on this earth!
I am full of questions. The whole matter is horrible. However, I want to know why didn't her parents take legal action against Robert Morris years ago when they were made aware of this? Also, why didn't Cindy go public with this information before now? Another question I have is, is she going public with this information now because he wouldn't give her the 50K she requested? He offered her 25K, and he wanted her to sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement). Please do not shoot me. I am just curious.
When did they hire a Law firm to investigate? This news just broke several days ago. It's not making sense. Also, when the dad reported it I'm sure he was having a fit and yelled she was 12!
The fact that he/they are still using words like "involved", "inappropriate", "young lady", and "relationship", as if the victim was a willing participant, is infuriating to me. He is still not taking full accountability for his actions (and has not truly repented), and they need to clean house in that church...😡
I can see that they didn't ask the age. Who would have thought he had done this with a 12 yr old? I imagine from now on any church board will ask such questions.
Seeking therapy and him never doing it again is kinda of disingenuous because molesting a 12yr old for 5 years is absolutely repulsive and repetitive behavior. If his daughter told him that one of his mentees repeatedly molested her for 5yrs? Will he forgive them and allow him to be restored back into ministry or force them to be a registered S-offender? We need to stop excusing certain behavior and allow these spiritual leaders to go through the consequences of sin. Jesus forgives sin but he doesn’t exempt us from the consequences of our sin. That’s why people keep repeating and not repenting because we’re covering individuals that need deep healing in the name of they have the gift of the spirit. God is exposing the church for a reason, we have allowed the Jezebel spirit to roam free in the church. Robert Morrison has always given above reproach&very prideful attitude. The beauty of God is that he always humbles the proud.
Morris should not have been allowed to resign. He should have been fired. If Morris were fired, he would forfeit his hefty pension and not allow any involvement with the church. The son should not be appointed as the successor. If the elders are serious about protecting victims and not a predator, it should be handled that way. However l, the Elders are perserving their best interest and once again not the interest of the flock. However, the elders are more interested in the business and could could care less about the sheep. When the victim exposed Morris, the elders said they were aware of the incident, and Morris had followed the suggestions of the elders and has lived a moral life since. After the story hit CNN and the victim told the national network that she was 12 years old, the elders then took their original statement back and said they didn't know all the details. When the victim published the article in Christian Publication, the elders supported Morris, the criminal. When the story became national news, the elders didn't have the full details, and they lawyered up. The investigation will span from 1982-1987. If Morris has shown himself not to be fully truthful, why isn't the investigation spanning up until present? The Elders are more interested in money than protecting the sheep that the Lord has entrusted them with. The elders are as much at fault as Morris because they should have called the authorities and reported the crime.. Instead, they choose a gift over protecting a child, and the victim's parent are no better. Morris would have never preached the Gospel if he had done what he did to my child, and I would leave it at that. Shame on the Elders then and shame on them now. They still have not opened the bible and handled this like Jesus.
RM told the same story, over and over again, until everybody believed it. Everybody thought he was so holy. Gateway wouldn't exist without him. That answers a lot of questions. I was there 200-2015. #shewas12
I am praying for all the victims. Thank all of you for speaking up. Praying for justice from the Lord for them all. Luke 18. Regarding the Pastor Groomers out there. You better repent and step down. I know it's the Lord exposing them. If anyone has been abused by it all. Just know God had no part of it.
I also know many strong people who are still haunted by what happened to them as children. Especially when they were called liars or ignored if they dared to tell.
God bless your heart Nick Jones for sharing your support for the Cindy the survivor , as well as for the community who is watching such a horrific story unfold. We need to all unify and pray for the survivor & her family and also for the believers , church attendees who may be so disheartened. As many have said , turn our eyes on the Lord Jesus , as our LIGHT and our HOPE. John 16:33 “In this world , you will have trouble , but take heart, I have OVERCOME the WORLD”.
By bring this up is to pray over him and his family or is to judge him when we ALL don’t have the right to judge! We ALL have sinned and we ALL fall short from Gods glory. How are you being the hands and feet of God by doing this? What is your purpose? Pastor or not we are not perfect. Only because you are appointed don’t mean that you are anointed. May God bless everyone 🙌🏼
This abuse was years ago Nick, things were dealt with in a very different way back then, meaning, alot of things were swept (metaphorically) under the rug, people covered up sexual sin all the time. Exposing pedophiles was not a priority, look at the Catholic Church for a point of reference. I was abused by 2 members of the clergy, people knew that they were pedophiles but they were kept in their positions for years and years preying on vulnerable children and young people until they both relocated and retired. Had it not been for Jesus my Redeemer, I can tell you now, I wouldn't be here and the devastating truth of my story and 1000s and 1000s of others is that sexual abuse in church has always been a prevalent evil.
You're knocking it out of the park ! No one asked about the details . No one had Any decerment to ask What did Morris mean by a young lady ? Everyone is asking that question you are in good company was She the only little girl ? Pastor he was not leading the church in The gospel of christ . I appreciated your comentry thank you For your steady hand regarding this situation
A reminder that our faith and trust should be in Jesus Christ alone!
This needs way more thumbs up than it has. This goes over so many heads. We’re so surprised when humans sin .. instead of focusing on the only sinless man!
Amen
AMEN 💯💯🙌🏻
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We need more people to stand up and shout against these crooks who turned the house of God into smut
Amen
These wolves being exposed in mega churches are showing that God's judgment is on His church.
Too much power and adoration. Maybe the mega churches in general are on their way out. I expect it goes on in smaller churches, as well, but probably not for as long or as often.
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Yes. The Lord is calling his church out to repent, fear Him and walk circumspectly.
This happened ina SMALL CHURCH tho, before he left to start Gateway
@estherstrategicadvisor749 Unfortunately it does everywhere. The fact that it wasn't dealt with properly and he ended up getting esteemed to be one of the faces of Christianity just makes more unbelievers not want to come to Christ. Why would they when the church is just as wicked as the world?
The board of Elders know more than they're claiming. I strongly believe more shocking things will be exposed.
I totally agree with you!
TV snakes did a lot worse than that... recently.... How strongly you feel about that?...
I disagree, he never confessed it was a child, not even in his sermons.
@@neobailey5268no way your taking up for a pedo🤮🤮🤮🤮
No way your defending a pedo🤮🤮🤮
His wife definitely knew for 35 years. She didnt report his felony sexual assault of a 12yr old and even made the victim apologize to her. A child was abused and the child had to apologize because your husband is nasty. Their is overemphasis of the fact that he reported his failure to the elders. Reporting to elders does not alleviate the responsibility to report a crime.
I can't even believe his wife went along with all this cover up and standing by him in ministry for over 30 years...I mean who does that. I read from Cindy that the wife of Robert Morris called Cindy and told her(the minor victim) that she forgave her for committing adultery with her husband!!......I am livid to read that. How could you stay married to a pediphile? How could the pastors wife be OK with him being in the church with other people's children....What part of that is of God?
She didn't make Cindy apologize to her!
I think Robert Morris wife, Debbie, is complicit in this. She knew he was molesting a minor back in 1987. She had the audacity to call Cindy and say she forgave her. What a disgusting family. I sincerely hope when they come back to Texas from Greece, they are treated as pariahs.
“Things changed when she turned sixteen…..
Cindy confided in a close friend (G.F.) who knew both families. Her friend said she needed to tell her parents….
Morris reportedly stepped down from ministry for two years. Cindy received a call from Debbie Morris, who told Cindy that she “forgave her.” Debbie is a mother. It is inconceivable to me that a mother would blame a 12-year-old child for her husband’s abuse. Cindy believes that Robert Morris might have told Debbie it was “Cindy’s fault!’ Cindy said things fell apart at this point. Their circle of family friends was no more.”
It was the elders responsibility to report him to the police
He needs to be registered as sex offender now
Periodt!
Robert Morris is a pedophile. A child predator. Repent.
Judgement has begun in the House of the Lord
It's a miracle that she is still a christian after that. That could destroy a person if she was harmed by a stranger who was criminal, but a family friend that preached for her fathers church. She is an incredible woman.
The board should be investigated and the family including his wife.
I totally agree. And he was promoted to an elder within 3 years of her sitting in his car and being molested. An elder!!!!!!
So by these comments, we as christians shouldn't reach out to the lost... 35yrs is alot? We were all morally bankrupt before Christ...and it's by His strength we're keeping on....Him that has no sin should cast the first stone!
@@stanleyibadin410 that's not at all what people are saying.
Conclusion: Jesus is about to burst the skies open with His return!🔥
More than ever I believe God's Word because the very things written are happening more than ever!!😢
"IT'S TIME TO OIL OUR LAMPS"... less we be found NOT ready to welcome HIS return!! 🙌📖😇
So True
The leaders were told and covered it up! They are complicit! Enablers are a big part of the problem! Shame on them!
that is an assumption not a fact.
“… and you may be sure that your sin will find you out.”
Numbers 32:23
MAN! sexual sin is really something dangerous that we take litely, but have very lasting consequences
Protect the money.
Who's we?
@@IAmMrRoss me and every other christian struggling with it
OH NAH! that is way too extreme
@freddymabetha7946 I believe you are saying that sexual sin is something that can start small and if left unattended and un-crucified it can mutate into something more demonic and destroy you and everyone around you.
Edit: I deleted my last comment because I felt convicted over it. I apologize.
The whole family needs to leave
Why? If your parent did something wrong should we fire you from your job because of it?
@@PinkieJoJoyes
@@PinkieJoJo Yes, they all teach similarly.
They are all in on the grift...
Absolutely
The fact that is being exposed definitely means he did not repent. And there are probably more victims
There had to be. This guy is a pedo.
You can’t say if he did repent 😂😂😂
@@Kentarius If he did repent, he would have stepped down long long long ago my friend!!!
@@Kentariushave you even heard his ridiculous sermons?? 😂😂😂 Yea, that homie didn't even preach the damn Word as it is written.... what makes you think his repentance was real??
Doesn't mean he did not repent. He did repent. Fact.
Wow Katt Williams was correct, everyone being exposed this year.
I said the same thing!
I was thinking the same 😮
Absolutely 💯
2024, the Year of Exposure! What a time to be alive! 🙏
Yep and Celestial.
Handing ministry to his son..... they should get nothing
All mega churches are like that. As a matter of fact the whole church model is NOT in the Bible.
They're not Anointed to take his place. The curse is still upon that generation without full repentance. Glory be to GOD!
Most mega churches are owned by the pastor and started by the pastor. I don't think they can fire him. I attend the church, and he hid thus very well. He should be in jail but I doubt it.
Why, his son didn't do it.
All of them need to go! They kept it secret
So sad- a twelve year old has had to live with this all her life. So awful. Prayers for her.
Yeah, and they’re trying to spin it like the girl was flirting with him. But Morris was a full grown man! 🙄
@@ItsJustMe-nq1dg a 21yrs old is a full grown man?
@TheALIDA1986 grown enough to be married with a child and pursue ministry? Grown enough to do this over the course of 4 years until the age of 26 or so. I recognize there may be different perspectives on how the situation should've been handled but let's not make excuses for adults or try to redefine what constitutes an adult.
@@InHisImage86 i get that, but should he had been punished all his life for this and not minister at all?, though he had repented of the sin?
@@TheALIDA1986 again, I'm not making a judgment about the aftermath and the handling of the situation. Just simply addressing the comment bringing into question his adulthood when this occurred. I believe he was a full grown man at 21 years of age and the legal system supports that as well.
Mothers and fathers, ESPECIALLY single moms..do NOT allow your children to be alone with adults you don’t know well. Watch your children. Be mindful of sleepovers, camp trip (may wanna chaperone, or request specific details on who will be over the children, what are their rules as far as if their requiring more than 1 person when a child is being assisted in anyway). Laws need to be put in place in ALL childcare facilities INCLUDING youth ministries.
This so called pastor should be in jail.
Just wait - The males who he abused will be calling him out, too! That's what he doesn't want ANYONE to know!
@Defundthemasons have you heard anything or are you just guessing? I think we all agree with Nick that it's unlikely that there was one victim
He should be in prison
And of course mylene joel should be in prison too
If the leaders of the church did not fear God enough to ask deep questions years ago, then they are complicit in child abuse. All of them should resign along with the son of the pastor. Deep repentance is needed.
I saw this on the news yesterday, at this point nothing is shocking anymore, it's just sad. I know what the bible says about the last days and those things are happening.
Amen!
Absolutely 💯 the SIGN of the Times. The Holy Spirit will expose “SECRET SINS”. Stay in prayer brethren 🙏🏽❤️🔥🕊️
Church should be ashamed ,the immoral person especially the leadership must be expelled
The leaders or elders are worse , they did just like the world , protecting him and his family and they covered by lying and saying they didn’t know the part he left out that she was 12 years of age . Forgive me but they are lying and forgive me for saying this but it’s all about the money $$$$$$$ . Greed of money and pride .. church keeps using that word as an excuse he committed a moral sin , but don’t want to say the truth and that is what really is horrible . The world is just laughing at the Christian’s and satan is saying wow I did it again , I crawled into the flesh and my pride was enough to cover his sin ..
Every parent should be running out of that church especially if they have children because no one there will protect them or care for the body of Christ . The bride is so dirty and stain , and Christ will come back for that clean and pure bride .
I am new to your channel. This is really hard to watch because the church my husband and I left we had NO idea the sin that was running rampant. We knew something was off but could not pinpoint it. We were lied to by leadership time and time again. The cover up was sickening and it was when we left that we could SEE the lies. I pray for my brothers and sisters in his congregation because I have been where they are and my heart❤ goes out to them. Awakening is happening!!
Bro I’ve been at this church for 15 years I had real conversations with this pdf file we all got bamboozled bro he’s cooked and I’m never going back to this corporate church. 🤬
I’m leaving myself. Told my group buddies I’ll no longer be around.
Pastor Robert is now finally free. He that the Lord sets free, is free indeed. What happened hit everyone. He couldn’t say the age “12” because he knew it was wrong which he has openly admitted himself but the lady has only helped him vocalize what he couldn’t bring himself to say because it is not something he is proud of. He was asked to step down from a previous ministry for 2 years for repentance which he submitted himself to the authority of the elders of the church at the time-WAY BEFORE GATEWAY CHURCH WAS FORMED. Also, the elders of the church at the time of the occurrence KNEW her age AND had disciplined him accordingly in the way they thought was best. Pastor Morris must have suffered shame for his actions at that time with that congregation of the previous church. Now 40 years later, he is being subjected to same fire once again for the same thing. Pastor Robert’s testimony (which he TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME) is based on how BAD he was and how God has shown him GRACE PERIOD (that’s one of his most recent books). He knew who he was 40 years ago and knows who he is now. Most importantly, God knows who he is NOW.
“ Say unto the righteous it shall be well with him”.
I pray for the lady as well, that she would indeed find what she is looking for and be wrapped in the arms of the father, soaked in his love and be totally healed in Jesus name. Amen.
Pastor Robert is now finally free. He that the Lord sets free, is free indeed. What happened hit everyone. He couldn’t say the age “12” because he knew it was wrong which he has openly admitted himself but the lady has only helped him vocalize what he couldn’t bring himself to say because it is not something he is proud of. He was asked to step down from a previous ministry for 2 years for repentance which he submitted himself to the authority of the elders of the church at the time-WAY BEFORE GATEWAY CHURCH WAS FORMED. Also, the elders of the church at the time of the occurrence KNEW her age AND had disciplined him accordingly in the way they thought was best. Pastor Morris must have suffered shame for his actions at that time with that congregation of the previous church. Now 40 years later, he is being subjected to same fire once again for the same thing. Pastor Robert’s testimony (which he TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME) is based on how BAD he was and how God has shown him GRACE PERIOD (that’s one of his most recent books). He knew who he was 40 years ago and knows who he is now. Most importantly, God knows who he is NOW.
“ Say unto the righteous it shall be well with him”.
I pray for the lady as well, that she would indeed find what she is looking for and be wrapped in the arms of the father, soaked in his love and be totally healed in Jesus name. Amen.
According to an eye witness who was working at Shady Grove Church, he was originally sent to Shady Grove Church which became Gateway Church and was a traveling evangelist. He was married at 19 and at 21 was allowed to stay at the victims home when he was in town where he began the molestation on Christmas Day or as he calls it a "moral failure" or "inappropriate". He told her NOT to tell anyone. According to reports once he realized it may come out after four years of molesting her and he had been removed from his current ministry; James Robinson (Life Outreach) got somehow involved. He then took him to Shady Grove for "restoration". According to an eye witness the pastor Olen Griffing (a previous Texas State Trooper), James Robinson and another elder went to the girls home and MET with her parents. They all KNEW. Just so you know Olen Griffing is STILL at Gateway as an Apostolic Elder meaning over everyone as a leader in that church!! I can imagine they convinced the parents this would cause grevious harm to the church if this came out. Vile. After his so called restoration he was made an Elder at the ripe old age of 29. Just 3 Years after the molestation had ceased when the victim was 16. In his books and statements he referred to her as a young lady! He abused his position and power to groom the child and then went on to groom the church. He is part of a group of mega church pastors called ARK that all protect each other. He is said to currently be worth over 100 million. They are Pharisees and people need to read Matthew 24 over and over where Jesus confronts these Sons of Hell. Oh and BTW Roberts wife was kind enough to call the victim and tell her she forgave her!! He blamed the victim calling her flurtatious, a jezabelle and he was the VICTIM. She was 12! Pause on this, after years of therapy she obtained a lawyer to get some reimbursement for her therapy and offered half of what she ask for which was NOTHING and wanted her to sign an NDA she said no thank goodness. Repentence must be followed up by restitution and he should have been turned over to the authorities. And yes I was a an adult and mother at that time and men went to jail for molestation and rape of young girls.
I’m leaving Gateway too. I am so disgusted with not only Robert and Debbie Morris, but also the Elders.
I am not defending his actions but I was a member of gateway and they really did help me in some low times of my life I pray for all parties and just very disappointing and sad but God will handle this
GOD helped you not the church. “Woman/man don’t you know the hour is coming when neither the temple of old or temples existing now will no longer be here and GOD is looking for people who worship him in truth and in spirit…”
@@lyricsoftheart yes thank you
I think that’s a bunch of BS that he gets to sit down for two years after he has been a pedophile for 4 1/2 years just to be in the ministry for 30 years becomes a multi millionaires work like $50 million become very successful it’s a fine line between Christianity forgiveness he committed a crime a crime against a child where Cindy now has to live with the result of that for the rest of her life. I’m just not understanding why the church didn’t go deeper into that that’s the first thing I would ask how old was this girl? There’s too many things swept under the rug behind the cloth, I’m sick of it
I so totally agree. My thoughts exactly! 🤮😡🤬💩👹
@@kimberleywittrock3113 Some reports are that after one month (not 2 years) he was sent off with another well known evangelist to assist in a different capacity. You know that when it got reported by the girl's dad a couple of men from the church came to their home. Of course they knew her age. They knew then and had to have know when they told her they wanted her to sign an NDA also. They would be better off not making a statement if they can't keep their story straight. What a mess.
@@roxiejohnson6813 He joined James Robison after one month of “restoration”. Not 2 years as the MALE Elders want you to believe.
I believe the report said that the father of the young girl threatened either Robert Morris' pastor and or the elders that if Robert did not resign, he would go to the police. The fact that he was talking about the situation that involved his daughter solidifies the fact that they knew it was in regards to the 12-year-old little girl, in my opinion. So, I don't believe the church is being forthright.
I don't think he had elders in 1982.
It is not past the statue limitations in the state of Texas. It is now 30 years and she’s right at that 30 year mark.
It ended in ‘87. 37 years
Curious that this has come out just under the wire. You are right media is lapping this up.
Under the wire meaning before the November election
Somebody is digging. I would wonder if she has received moneys.
Shady Grove is in Oklahoma. Prosecution takes place in the state where the crime was committed
@@sharonlain5830shady grove was not in Oklahoma. The abuse happened in Texas and Oklahoma as well
My heart is so heavy because I went to gateway for so many years and never knew any of this. I was in the audience when he talked about that in 2014. I'm so broken right now. Like my kids were raised in this church like I felt the anointing And felt Good things that God did there.
Me, too. There is an interview now with Bob Hamp done by CBN. I believe Hamp. I'm just sickened. #shewas12
Until your church leaders confess & repent their involvement & deception in the cover-up your church will not recover.
Same. So sorry.
You allowed your children to be shepherded by a predator.
So many have such poor discernment and don’t read the Bible at all. Mega churches aren’t even biblical AT ALL. You were probably there to make friends and network.
Fire the board too
I agree. The Elders need to go! They are such a bunch of wimps, they let him resign instead of firing him. They are disgusting.
Yep. Those simps failed miserably and the I don't know defense doesnt cut it when your job is to know.
Her parents failed her too. They should have gone straight to the police!
That 12 year old suffered all these years and he just gets to say all this at retirement and it’s all okay ?
I agree. The MALE Elders should have had the guts to fire him. But they are such weaklings, they let him resign.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bjWhich makes them complicit. They're guilty too.
No kidding. If he murdered someone or robbed a bank, would he just be allowed to retire? What he did is a CRIME. #shewas12
Justice needs to happen even his wife calling her and saying she forgives Cindy a young girl. What a horror for this young girl
Cindy, the victim, wrote a letter and tried to sue the church in 2005, detailing the abuse and her age at the time. The church elders have known since at least 2005, 19 YEARS! Shame on them. Cindy asked for $50,000 to cover her counseling expenses and the church countered with $25,000 and a NDA. She has been trying to get people to listen to her for years.
Yes she has. She contacted other ministers as well.
Before I learned about this. I use to listen to his sermons. His sermon were good. This is an awful situation
His sermons are terrible and not biblical.
The gifts of God are without repentance. Romans 11:29. No one's sermons are 100% infallible. It's not wrong that God was able to give many of us fruitful nuggets of godly wisdom through his teachings. The important thing is discernment. Test every word of wisdom, number 1 against God's written word, and number 2 by prayerfully taking it all to the Lord. He alone can help us hold to what is good and let loose of what is evil. Every born-again believer has the Holy Spirit, and He has a ministry available to all of us, but He will force it on none of us. Jesus laid His ministry out perfectly when He told His disciples it's better for you if I go! So that the helper will come, and He will lead you into all truth and teach you all things! I pray that Robert Morris can finally humble himself and trust God and take full accountability for his actions, and I pray that the lady can trust the Lord despite the deep wounds she has suffered and that she will be willing to be comforted by God so that He can show her, He is not as man is!
@@tiff_janeThe only fruits of Godly wisdom he gave were the nuggets of truth he gave women REGARDING THIS VERY ISSUE. Ironic but not surprising.
My abuser always said “it’s easier to get forgiveness than permission.” Hence the church’s’ halfhearted apology.
The very fact that the elders claim they didn't know the details (age of young lady, etc) reveals that the elders were incompetent and compromised themselves. I've been in charismatic ministry over 35 years and this type of dismissive attitude and incompetent church systems are the norm among independent ministries. The public only knows a few of the abuses.
Representative/Pastor Nate Schatzline is from my church Mercy Culture, in Ft Worth, is a freshman TX state rep, who is bringing biblical reformation in the legislative branch and culture in Texas. He’s the real deal, he has enemies on both sides of the isle in the Texas house from his first day, refusing to go along to get along. The first day when he was sworn in he did the unthinkable (to politicians) and voted against the rhino speaker of the house against his republican colleagues demands. He also fought an uphill battle and brought Prop 14 to the floor which finally got passed last year, banning child gender mutilation and hormone mutilation in the state of Texas
Brother Nick, when you think about it, the pastor is actually publically admitting to negligence in his role as the abuser's employer.
I have deep deep empathy for both. Sin is horrendous and we end up doing detrimental/sickening things. I do think he should willing receive any consequence that is rendered for this even though he has repented. And I pray for her healing.
Oh~ look another pedo
If there are more victims I pray they have the courage to step forward!
There are definitely more victims. He said there were multiple young girls. Child. Not a young woman, a young child. In his lion lion lion lion
The problem is, people are afraid of asking the pastors and leaders the hard questions. We are not afraid of asking God why. Father please forgive us.
We were members of this church for a few years. Left in 2020 bc we knew something was off.
Had we known he was unqualified, as a spiritual leader, we would have never darkened the door of that place.
I wend there for a couple of years and I figured out Morris was a bully and was after everyone's money, but I would not have predicted he was a pedophile.
I think why so many of the elders were led to the wrong conclusion about what happened was because he was married. Like this particular elder said, language can be used in a way to fog the truth. What Morris probably said was that he had had an inappropriate relationship with a young lady, and the fact that he was married led the elders to the incorrect conclusion that the immoral sin he was referring to was adultery. However, Cindy did say that she told many elders and pastors what really happened. That is where I start to wonder how honest these elders are being with themselves and with the public. My heart goes out to her, prayers also.
I don’t think the MALE Elders are being on the up and up with the public. On Friday after news about Cindy came out, they were real quick to dismiss her claims and say this event happened 35 years ago so what’s the big deal. Only after the outrage by the public did they backpedal. I am so disgusted that they are so spineless. And at the time did not show any grace or compassion for Cindy.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bjI know those elders did not say, this was 35 years ago, what's the big deal..
@KansasMiss-mf4bj That is abhorrent! Anyone who has dealt with this type of trauma knows that it doesn't matter how long ago it happened, it stays with you. I have a very close family member who dealt with this type of abuse from another family member, and it affects you for the rest of your life. Yes, you learn how to live with it and forgive, but it's another thing entirely to forget. I really just don't get it. It is unbelievable how prevalent this is in our society. God has truly given their minds over to the depravity they crave.
I had his book the blessed life when I was listening to Transformation Church, just so happen i got this news and basketball hooped that book right in the trash ❤ nothing blessed you but the Devil
Transformation Church is full of false doctrine. Get in the word and you will see this for yourself.
Excellent location for his books!
Yep. Makes me wonder what Jimmy Evans of Amarillo knows. He is supposed to have oversite over Morris.#shewas12
@@carolinasongbird3362 these churches protect many demons for the sake of money
I doubt she is the only one.
Agree
I agree. Pedophiles typically don’t molest just once.
Yeah, my brother started with our sister and moved on to five more girls that we know about. He died in prison!!!
At this point ALL churches need to do an investigation on their pastors to be sure this has not happened at their church. They need to do their due dilligence and start cleaning house.
The Shady Grove elders knew not Gateway's. This all happen at Shady Grove. That pastor, James Robison and Robert Morris should go to jail. Nick, Justin Peters has a pastor from Gateway on today.
Justin's guest says Morris confided in him when Cindy came back around in 2005. The guy didn't start working there until a few years later. So, no, Justin's video has mostly gossip and much hate and division..as usual
@@Here12years. Did you even listen to the video? Robert Morris and that Pastor had worked together at Shady Grove and were friends.
@@Here12years The guest had two stints at Gateway and was there 2005. Also that pastor was in the Gateway network of churches serving in between stints at Gateway.
Apparently, in Texas there is no statute of limitations for sexual abuse of a child.
I think it happened in Oklahoma.
Gotta watch Justin Peters video on this to get the truth!!
No, Justin peters video is the worst one. Definitely.
The Justin Peters video is excellent. He speaks to a Pastor who worked with Robert Morris at Shady Way and then Gateway. Watch it if you can.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bj he did not work at Shady Grove! He did not work at gateway in 2005 when he said morris confided to him. It's a bunch of gossip and a little truth. It's far from excellent!
Yes! I was at Gateway and Shady Grove. I remember this elder. The CBN interview with Bob Hamp is excellent, as well.
Yes it was eye opening
Parents please listen up never let your kids out of your site when at a strangers home. There is no excuse for you letting your child go in a room with a grown man. I don’t care who he is. We must teach our kids that it’s not ok to be alone with an adult. Bring a friend bring your parents
The whole family should be banned from ministry and the church.
That is unbiblical: children are not held responsible for the sins of their fathers. No doubt his children are horrified and humiliated by this disclosure and who could blame them.
I think there needs to be a firewall between Robert Morris and Gateway. The Elders should tell him that in no uncertain terms he is not welcome at the office or on any of the campuses. In addition, whatever benefits he is receiving like insurance, salary, expenses, retirement, etc. should stop.
He made a choice and this is the consequence.
But the MALE Elders don’t have the guts to do that.
Remember JUDGEMENT IS FOR GOD AND GOD ALONE...we deserves the consequences for our sins but becareful that we dont condemn. Pray for both people
I understand. We still should know who is being trusted with our children and held in an office of authority. He did break the law. We are not judging his salvation but condemning his actions against a child.
If we aren’t protecting kids, then it would be better to have millstones around our necks. The church should be proactive in rooting out crimes and abuses, not covering them up. We are also to avoid the appearance of evil and to hold each other accountable within the church.
Would you be saying this if it was your 12 year old daughter or son? Please read 1 Corinthians 5. God has given us authority as the Church to judge one another (hold one another accountable to holiness!). We are not to judge the world.
Alot Of Church Leaders Are Leaving The Churches, Either Though Death Or Leaving For Getting Caught Doing Sin !!
GOD IS TRYING TO WAKE PEOPLE UP !!
The thing I hate the most is the poor image it gives God Almighty😢 He has already suffered more than enough for us on the cross- why do we keep sacrificing Him?!?!
This is what causes more damage to the Gospel message when the church covers up (worldly) instead of being transparent through repentance (biblical). It makes the church no different than the world and gives non believers more reason to reject the Gospel! We can’t be mad at the world for being the world but we need to be righteously anger at the church for looking no different than the world! Every elder involved in this, needs to resign as well! Woe to them for their lack of integrity but they will give an account to God for all that!
The fact they called it a "moral failure" instead of calling it the truth a "sin"
I feel bad for the ppl who will fall away because of the action of men… please focus on the actions of Jesus Christ.
Majority of the times, the spouses know.
He’s protecting himself at this point from a legal perspective.
This happened in 2 churches I’ve gone to. All family members had to exit. This should be the case here too.
I'm almost certain this man has the "gift of gab" and was very convincing of how "harmless" this disgusting act was..... I honestly think they just took his word or it, which is absolutely not OK. They need to dig deeper when it comes to these Leaders.
This is a sad situation all around. My heart goes out to Cindy, but also to her parents. It would be infuriating to be in their position. They trusted another adult to be around their child, and that adult horribly betrayed their trust. I pray that he has truly repented before God, and I pray that everyone affected is able to forgive and heal.
Adults should have called the police! Her parents and the church leaders!
They had no idea because they did no authentic investigation. The no idea excuse is a way to create plausible deniability, they are complicit in the crimes of Morris & company!
They didn’t investigate b/c Morris came w/verified “credentials” of already having been thru “disciplinary restoration over 2 years” AND w/solid certification, blessing, commendation, promotion, and esteem by people like James Robison.
Nick when you asked the question how could they not follow up and investigate the crime he committed? Think about the time frame of the crime it was the early 80's. I am the same age as the victim and Robert Morris came in to ministry with a well known minister's blessing a James Robinson as his assistant. Discernment wasn't being taught in the church so they went on the good word of other ministries and ministers. Also no Internet and because he was never prosecuted it was easy for him to lie and narrate his own story.😒😒😒
Well, since "Prosperity Churches" regard Jesus as simply a "marketing tool", and/or as more of an "afterthought" behind the more important priority of convincing fools to give them all their money - I'm not surprised these (so called) "Elders" (conveniently) treated Morris's offenses with such a cavalier attitude, and (of course) they're going to use every trick in the book to cover their complicity in this terrible episode, and deny any responsibility (to keep money coming in).
These preachers are worried about filling up their coffers instead of bringing people to Christ! Run from these places if the leader isn't following the word of Jesus.
2 Samuel 12:14a nkjv
“However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme..."
The problem is this man retroactively damaged the church to such a large degree in an age where the establishment is looking for any reason to start closing churches, and they have the judges to do it
Father God,
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In The Mighty Name Of Jesus Christ,
I pray 🙏🙏🙏🙏 4 Justice & Judgement 4 "The Churches of Christ" 4 Your Glory & 4 Your Kingdom Come Here In Earth As It Is In Heaven.
Amen.
🙏
Amen and amen!
My heart goes out to her.. so sorry she went thru this act from a grown man.
I feel so so bad for Cindy. So horrible. I pray that now that it’s finally out in the open that she can finally fully heal now. Just makes me cringe to think that he did things like this to her. Utterly disgusting 🤢
Speaking to how his ministry blew up even though he had done that. I think about those in the bible. Like Moses, killed a man, he ran and hid. Then God calls him out of hiding to save millions of people. Notice, he did not go to jail, face time and then God used him. God found him and used him anyway. So it's like what do you make of Moses account? The person Moses killed, we can assume, had family and now they grieve his loss. (We would probably excuse it cuz that person was also doing a bad thing but still he murdered him). Just saying, this is real real sad to hear and I just pray healing for everyone. Cuz I don't know all the answers.
You can't compare Robert Morris to Moses.😒😒😒
@@youraveragewarden9774 I'd love to hear your explanation further? It is not really a direct comparison but the overall picture. Cuz I also think of Paul and David. I love them though just feel like I see a question is the premise similar at all?
Ive had similar thoughts
Excellent points. 🕊
Morris only stepped down for ONE month from ministry-He wrote it in his book.
That was the fastest restoration ever! Yes, it was one month, despite what the MALE Elders at Gateway want us to believe. Then he joined James Robison’s dog and pony show. And within 2 years was named an Elder of Shady Way. Just what every church needs! A child molester for an Elder.
Cindy said she was telling them, but know one listened.
Jesus should be your favorite pastor, teacher, leader
The Lord was listening...but in His long-suffering He was also speaking to Robert Morris and all the guilty by association... covering up and spinning as a "moral failure" is not true repentance. God may delay in our timing but not on His and I praise His Holy Name for it! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Now is the perfect time for the Light of God to expose the darkness of hell on this earth!
I am full of questions. The whole matter is horrible. However, I want to know why didn't her parents take legal action against Robert Morris years ago when they were made aware of this? Also, why didn't Cindy go public with this information before now? Another question I have is, is she going public with this information now because he wouldn't give her the 50K she requested? He offered her 25K, and he wanted her to sign a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement).
Please do not shoot me. I am just curious.
When did they hire a Law firm to investigate? This news just broke several days ago. It's not making sense. Also, when the dad reported it I'm sure he was having a fit and yelled she was 12!
Sometimes nick just pauses and goes silent and I think my phone is frozen 😂
The fact that he/they are still using words like "involved", "inappropriate", "young lady", and "relationship", as if the victim was a willing participant, is infuriating to me. He is still not taking full accountability for his actions (and has not truly repented), and they need to clean house in that church...😡
I agree.
A twelve year old in pink pajamas seduced him. Insane
I can see that they didn't ask the age. Who would have thought he had done this with a 12 yr old? I imagine from now on any church board will ask such questions.
Seeking therapy and him never doing it again is kinda of disingenuous because molesting a 12yr old for 5 years is absolutely repulsive and repetitive behavior. If his daughter told him that one of his mentees repeatedly molested her for 5yrs? Will he forgive them and allow him to be restored back into ministry or force them to be a registered S-offender?
We need to stop excusing certain behavior and allow these spiritual leaders to go through the consequences of sin. Jesus forgives sin but he doesn’t exempt us from the consequences of our sin. That’s why people keep repeating and not repenting because we’re covering individuals that need deep healing in the name of they have the gift of the spirit. God is exposing the church for a reason, we have allowed the Jezebel spirit to roam free in the church. Robert Morrison has always given above reproach&very prideful attitude. The beauty of God is that he always humbles the proud.
Amen Amen 🙏🙏
Amen
He's lived his life to the fullest while she's had to deal with 4 1/2 years of abuse.
Morris should not have been allowed to resign. He should have been fired. If Morris were fired, he would forfeit his hefty pension and not allow any involvement with the church. The son should not be appointed as the successor. If the elders are serious about protecting victims and not a predator, it should be handled that way. However l, the Elders are perserving their best interest and once again not the interest of the flock. However, the elders are more interested in the business and could could care less about the sheep. When the victim exposed Morris, the elders said they were aware of the incident, and Morris had followed the suggestions of the elders and has lived a moral life since. After the story hit CNN and the victim told the national network that she was 12 years old, the elders then took their original statement back and said they didn't know all the details. When the victim published the article in Christian Publication, the elders supported Morris, the criminal. When the story became national news, the elders didn't have the full details, and they lawyered up. The investigation will span from 1982-1987. If Morris has shown himself not to be fully truthful, why isn't the investigation spanning up until present? The Elders are more interested in money than protecting the sheep that the Lord has entrusted them with. The elders are as much at fault as Morris because they should have called the authorities and reported the crime.. Instead, they choose a gift over protecting a child, and the victim's parent are no better. Morris would have never preached the Gospel if he had done what he did to my child, and I would leave it at that. Shame on the Elders then and shame on them now. They still have not opened the bible and handled this like Jesus.
RM told the same story, over and over again, until everybody believed it. Everybody thought he was so holy. Gateway wouldn't exist without him. That answers a lot of questions. I was there 200-2015. #shewas12
I’d be concerned right now what is taking place w/the finances of this church. Mega means mega $ the leadership has proven to be dishonest.
2:57 The elders didn’t CARE enough to perform a thorough investigation
He doesn’t care or he didn’t care. Nothing but a narcissist. 71/2 years in psychology? I’m rolling my eyes
You find a narcissist personality that person is most likely in the occult or “secret society “
I am praying for all the victims. Thank all of you for speaking up. Praying for justice from the Lord for them all. Luke 18. Regarding the Pastor Groomers out there. You better repent and step down. I know it's the Lord exposing them. If anyone has been abused by it all. Just know God had no part of it.
I just watched this. It’s sad how this man did so much harm and was still in ministry. He should have left.
As a former member, I heard the story many times. I always felt uneasy and had questions.
I am a former member but was never comfortable and left. I though Morris was a bully and greedy, but I didn't think he was a pedophile.
Yes I will pray for the people because i have seen the damaged it has done to other's some are not strong
I also know many strong people who are still haunted by what happened to them as children. Especially when they were called liars or ignored if they dared to tell.
God bless your heart Nick Jones for sharing your support for the Cindy the survivor , as well as for the community who is watching such a horrific story unfold. We need to all unify and pray for the survivor & her family and also for the believers , church attendees who may be so disheartened. As many have said , turn our eyes on the Lord Jesus , as our LIGHT and our HOPE. John 16:33 “In this world , you will have trouble , but take heart, I have OVERCOME the WORLD”.
Your long pauses made me think something was wrong with my Wi-Fi. 😂
The pastor should have been brought to justice and convicted in 1982...
By listening to his sermon here. Makes me have a hard time thinking she was the only one.
By bring this up is to pray over him and his family or is to judge him when we ALL don’t have the right to judge! We ALL have sinned and we ALL fall short from Gods glory. How are you being the hands and feet of God by doing this? What is your purpose? Pastor or not we are not perfect. Only because you are appointed don’t mean that you are anointed. May God bless everyone 🙌🏼
This abuse was years ago Nick, things were dealt with in a very different way back then, meaning, alot of things were swept (metaphorically) under the rug, people covered up sexual sin all the time.
Exposing pedophiles was not a priority, look at the Catholic Church for a point of reference.
I was abused by 2 members of the clergy, people knew that they were pedophiles but they were kept in their positions for years and years preying on vulnerable children and young people until they both relocated and retired.
Had it not been for Jesus my Redeemer, I can tell you now, I wouldn't be here and the devastating truth of my story and 1000s and 1000s of others is that sexual abuse in church has always been a prevalent evil.
You're on one today, Nick. Appreciate the content. May God continue to bless you, brother! Stay blessed chat!
First time here! Will you be speaking on the TD Jakes and Puff Daddy scandal! Looking forward to it!
You're knocking it out of the park ! No one asked about the details . No one had
Any decerment to ask
What did Morris mean by a young lady ?
Everyone is asking that question you are in good company was
She the only little girl ?
Pastor he was not leading the church in
The gospel of christ .
I appreciated your comentry thank you
For your steady hand regarding this situation