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"Trespassers will be shot" is such a deranged sign. Do you seriously want to shoot someone for being in the "wrong" place? Killing someone for trespassing is such an insanely disproportional reaction.
Actually not only is it very common in the USA, it is very much legal in 38 of our 50 states under the Stand Your Ground laws. Furthermore we also put up border fences like the old Iron Curtain. I am not joking, the US Border Patrol has killed 125 people since 2010 attempting to cross the US-Mexico border. And our US Supreme Court has declared all of these actions to be completely legal in February 2020.
And oh so American
SO sad and sick. Here in Greece, people are not freaked out about someone sitting on their step. I mean, I was born in America in 56, have 45 years in Europe, 43 of those in Greece, and this video is like,, (Rights?) Anywhere I have been, I have NO idea who owned it. A tourist asked a man in an area full of nature, where could he sleep. The man as he stretched his arm across the land and said, "Anywhere you like" .
@@gregorybiestek3431 Defending borders between countries, is a completely different question and can't be compared directly to the question here - it's a completely different league and on a much higher level ..than fence-rigth/fights between neighbors etc.
@@bethlehemeisenhour5807 I didn't know that was legal in Grece in Portugal you can only camp in camping parks where you have to pay a fee
Being European, I've always found those "trespassers will be shot" hilariously crazy. A couple of years ago I was on vacation with my dad, and took a canoe trip through Sweden.
One day the weather was bad so we decided to place our canoe on wheels and walked it around the lakes we accidentally walked onto someone's property. A woman walked out alone towards to two adult men on her property and instead of being threatened she asked if we were lost. We explained our situation, she told us to wait where we were, came back a few minutes later with a map and a small pocket GPS and told us exactly where we wanted to go. Then she even asked us to come in for a cup of tea.
In America I would hear a man screaming and bullets flying...
Something similar happened to me, on my plot of land. A couple of canoers came by and asked if they could put up a tent for the night on my lawn (I live by a stream, hence the canoeing, and have a huge lawn). Of course they'd be welcome to, but I asked them if they wouldn't be more comfortable inside the house. So we had a nice barbeque that evenening, they provided the fish and I provided the beer. This is perfectly normal where I live :)
This is not covered by "allemansrätten" though. You cannot just roam free outside someones house.
We went on a vacation to the mountains a few years back in Slovakia. Our group split up. 4 of my friends went on a little hike to check out the surroundings. While the rest of us kept drinking. After a while I've noticed they still haven't come back so me and a friend went looking for them. After a while we found a house with a nicely trimmed lawn 20x20meters on a slope in the middle of a forested hill area there were no fences or anything just a dirt road leading there. It was really sunny and warm for October so we decided to just lay down on the grass 10 meters tops from the house. After a minute the owner came out and asked us if we were tourists, where we stayed... Then he said wait a bit I'll be back and came out with his son and a bottle of home made hard liquor and glasses. So we drank some more. It was really good. After some laughs and a thank you we continued and found our friends on top of the hill sunbathing so we joined them.
In the USA they now shoot girlscouts on the front lawn if they come sell cookies...
@@xander9460 To that I can relate. Don't come pushing your crappy bakery stuff to me, the only thing you'll get from here is a slap in the face and a fuck off.
@@xander9460 Yep, the land of FREEDOM, LOL.
As a European, it's WILD that the right to roam DOESN'T exist in the US...
We have had lawsuits here (Denmark and Norway) confirming that you can't EVER close off a beach. It's legally required (except for government to shut down temporarily for safety) that you can walk the entire coastline uninterrupted, again, with restrictions for safety.
And yet there is the myth of being the land of unlimited freedom. Fences and walls everywhere you look ... when I only see the fence between Mexico and the USA, I am extremely reminded of the fence and the death strip between the FRG and the GDR.
@@klaushohmann1101 Yeah... I saw some Republican politician supporting Donald Trump's idea to have moats full of alligators along the border...🤦🤦 Reminds me of the dogs...
@@MichaelBerthelsen With Putin, there is already a dangerous madman in power, the world needs not another one like Trump!
You must understand, the US doesn't have much space for people to roam, it's a tiny country! /s
It is only in theory! Rich people have their own ways of closing down access to the water!
It's crazy to me that nature is a luxury in America.
My thoughts exactly... land of the free am I right?
@@thefreerocketman5777Not really
Why? everything else is.
Nature, healthcare, control of your own body, ...
US is the country of the illusion of freedom
As a Finn, I think the right to roam is essential. Are you truly free, if you cannot walk in nature, wherever you want? If you can't pick berries or mushrooms in a forest because you aren't sure whether the land is owned by somebody? Here in Finland, people tend to love nature, and treat it respectfully. When I hike, in the rare case I see a piece of trash in a forest, I pick it up. I think many others do the same. Everything I take with me to nature, I carry with me when I come back. If any politician tried to push legislation to limit the right to roam, I think they'd not have a career as a politician for long.
when ia am picking berries/mushroom i am too close if i can see someones house, i like to keep that distance. i can always walk few step away.
And man can sell his/hers berries and mushrooms tax free to everyman.
Höllmö
I think people who have grown up roaming in nature tend to love nature more thaan people who have lived their whole life in restriction. What Im trying to say is that people in Sweden (where Im from) Finland and other european contries probably have a more loving relaationship with nature since we think of it as a familymember or friend instead of an animal in a zoo.
My great grandma in Finland used to send us mushrooms and blueberries to us in Sweden. Her relatives in Finnish used to argue with her that she was too old to be alone in the forest❤️
Madonna had a country estate in the UK and she went to court to stop people walking through her land because it had a public footpath running through it she lost the case because of the right to roam
You love to see it.
It wasn't because of the right to roam. A right to roam means you can go anywhere. The public footpath that went through her property is a public right of way but the public have to stay on the footpath.
@@AndrewHighley-ti1it The landowner has to maintain the access, including the provision and maintenance of stiles and gates, etc,.
Not becuase of right to roam. England does not have a right to roam, only Scotland does. In England you have limited access to public footpaths. (green paths on an OS map). In scotland maps have no green paths, as you can legally go anywhere.
The right to roam MUST come with responsibility... don't litter or cause damage, etc. but access to open spaces in the modern world of work and stress is extremely important.
But thats not the american way of "freedom". For them ist just all or nothing, so if they can roam they also want to throw their garbage there everywhere, shoot down the wildlife and whatever nonsense else comes in there head. If they can't do that, they cry about evil communism.
Yes it all starts at a young age for most ones, with responsibilities like finding your way to school by yourself, with an education that values nature, organizes excursions, there are even lots of forest kindergardens for example.
It's also about getting a feel for empathy and the needs of others, society as a whole... Participation in school lessons not frontal crash there... You can even observe this in politics, when the system is designed for coalitions and the exchange of arguments (that does of course not mean that it always works, we have a lot of right wing problems in Europe as of now) - you can even see it in the police and prisons, that people behave differently and care just more with less authority and hierarchy
Its a culture. You learn from birth rules similar to wasking your hand or take shooes off.
Children go themselves walk, use bike and go by bus and trin.
Det er in the streets in the streets and by that visit each others. Its culture to and very much its made possible. They are a part of the landscape.
We are in lower in crimes ubuse included.
Is not on as the RUclips says. Its more freedom is VERY MUCH You has to be responsible person, whichcan be trusted.
And we has moron vandals too. We try to find and punish them.
@@DalaiDrama-hp6oj There is no such thing as empathy in the USA - you roam, you are trespassing. if you are trespassing you can be shot. Simple as that. If you don't like it, then I warn you please do not come to the United States. Google Stand Your Ground laws.
I am stnned at times at people. And not just kids.. but grownups too.. Throw icecream wraps, or something similar on the ground when the litter box is beside them. Like ? WTF ? I tell them off tho.. .. Hey you dropped something... And loudly. Lesson learned!!!! hehehe
The more I learn about the USA, the more i feel the phrase "Land of the free" has always been a sarcastic one, not a true one.
Walkiag down the street in the USA CAN BE A DIT DICEY.
Thanks Heidi ,you are sweet.
It was the land of the free before government.
That song was written by slave-owner Francis Scott Key in 1814. He was an anti-abolishionist from Maryland which had a 30% slave population at the time. His song was not meant for them.
As someone from Scandinavia, the right to roam is so fundamental a thing it's taught, at least where I grew up, since kindergarten. We frequently visited the forests and nature throughout my schooling and the teachers always made sure that we never left trash and the like lying about. I honestly believe that these trips into the wild and the lessons we learned during them, helps ensure that less trash is left in the forests. Perhaps the garbage problem wouldn't be as severe if similar tips and lessons were taught in the US?
As a follow nordic (a Finn) yes absolutely this. Albeit majority of Finland is boring economic forest (young and monoculture) the right to walk, pick berries and mushrooms and so on is very fundamental right to have. Lapland of course has more areas of untouched nature
It is so unnatural than in some countries you need license to pick mushrooms and berries.
What ever you do, please NEVER come to the USA. Not only is there no right to roam, if you cross someone's property, it is actually legal for that property owner to shot at you if they can claim they feel threatened. Google Stand Your Ground laws.
@@gregorybiestek3431 as an avid follower of US politics, because as much as I dislike it ya'lls economy and politics affect *everyone* whether we like it or not, I'm well aware of the absurdity of the laws some of your states have. Stand Your Ground laws being near the top of the list. I'm frankly baffled as to some of the court cases that have arisen from them.
Just in earlier this year there was a news story in PBS News about how, and I quote, "In the space of one week in April, four young, unarmed Americans were shot over simple, everyday mistakes: pulling into the wrong driveway, ringing the wrong doorbell, getting into the wrong car."
The article is called "‘Stand your ground’ laws under scrutiny again after recent spate of shootings" and was published on April 23rd on their website if ya wana read it yourself. I don't think I'd ever feel safe in the US without an escort and even then I'd be worried. If you're from the US and a state with these types of laws, I hope you stay safe!
Denmark doesn't have right to roam except on beaches and, newly added, in state forests.
In Britain, many people walked as their main way of getting around until maybe 150 years ago, so every village has a footpath leading to every other nearby village. These paths were essential to the locals and so were protected by law, and it is up to landowners to look after these and keep them open. These retain their protection. In addition, there are ancient paths (many going back before the Iron Age) along ridges and rivers. As a result there are many thousands of km of footpaths, and these take priority over land ownership. Madonna is one of many who has fallen foul of these laws and found not stop people walking across their land on these paths. This is in addition to open land.
When you reference Britain, it is not all of Britain you are talking about, but the country of England (and maybe Wales, as I don't know about their land laws). The country of Scotland has different laws, which includes the Right to Roam, which is not just on footpaths. It is on all land, with maybe a few exceptions, like security of MOD property etc. Different laws in Scotland and England about land access.
How do you keep path open? If no one use them, they start to grow shut.
You need to walk a path once a month to keep it open.
@@XtreeM_FaiL The landowner is legally obliged to look after any on their land; cutting vegetation, maintaining styles and gates etc. They pretty much all get used.
@@claregallagher8550 Indeed. All have footpaths, the right to roam off them is what differs.
@@charlesunderwood6334 That is true, but also in Scotland we don't always have footpaths on rural land. We can roam over any land, whether there is a footpath near or not. Scotland is 96% rural and so there is a lot of land which has no footpath near or ever. You can roam over any land and there are no trespass restrictions, apart from some obvious ones like secure places, back gardens and over crops (you can go around the edge). You can also wild camp in Scotland anywhere, but not with a motor vehicle, so hiking, cycling etc with a tent, just pitch for one night. This does all require responsible and considerate roaming of course, like not damaging crops or leaving rubbish etc.
There is nothing like American fear....
Growing up in Scotland, the notion of not just being able to head out into the countryside (which is most of Scotland) just seemed, well... foreign to me 😲
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Garry i agree just waking up and going for a walk in Fife or Angus no issues
When you ban people from the countryside they fail to gain a respect for the land, and if they don't have respect they'll see no reason to not litter or otherwise care for the land. Obviously, I'm generalising, there will always be those who won't care either way and vice versa but I still believe people will grow to love and respect the land only if they have access to it.
That is why most fly tippers are from the towns and cities. 😢
Well said!
I was about to write a simillar comment as she was mentioning the homeless ppl who litter. To some degree it's a state of mind and believing that this land is ours, that public area belongs to everyone - not to noone - so everybody tries to maintain it clean and pretty.
In my opinion, everyone should have the right to move freely in nature. Of course, there must also be rules for this - for example, not to make a campfire in extreme drought. The ultimate goal must be to protect nature and treat it with care.
Of course, consideration must also be given to private property; so no one wants to have a foreign tent and camper in his garden. The governments of the Nordic countries have come up with something about this, which in my opinion is a very good rule ... camping is prohibited within 150 meters of an inhabited building.
I am convinced that real fences erect walls in people's minds.
This is likely why the rules in England are somewhat different - it has a higher population density compared to most, if not all, of the other countries listed. Looking it up, England has 434 people per square kilometre compared to 70 in Scotland, and it is as low as 4 in Iceland, 15 in Norway, 18 in Finland, 26 in Sweden. Even Germany is well below England at 239. The more people you have in an area, the harder it is to balance the right for people to move about in nature and the protection of industries like agriculture. I'm kind of curious how Areas Of Outstanding National Beauty are defined in the original video as they are usually managed by a charity or state body, so not technically open land, but they are usually highly accessible.
I live in Sweden and I fully agree with your post!
Yeah but imagine youre on your property and some random people are making a fire or camping on it. You miss the problems it would create due to homeless people, who would just live on and trash your land. The other thing is liability. If you got hurt on someones land, you could easily take them to court, which is dumb, but isna real thing. The no trespassing acts as proof the person wasnt allowed to be there and helps protect you in the court of law
@@rawesome1973 For littering or damaging the property you could be found liable and fined. But as you imply it will not work well on homeless people. Fortunately there are hardly any homeless people in Sweden due to the ridgid social system. For land inside or very close to a city it is a bit of a problem.
If you hurt yourself on someone else's property it's your problem. At least in Sweden there is no way you will be held liable for that, unless you count stuff like paved walkways inside the city on your property.
As someone who's Swedish, not having the right to roam, camping etc almost feel alien to me.. Growing up i spent so much time out in nature it's to the point that i even started to take it for granted.. If you ever go to Europe again you should visit us Nordic countries, i have a feeling you'd love it here😊
Denmark doesn't have right to roam except on beaches and, newly added, in state forests.
@@mikkolukas In fairness, Denmark is also much smaller so it might be more protective of its land as a result.
The song you mentioned is "This Land Is Your Land" by Woody Guthrie. One of the verses is less frequently sung:
"As I went walking I saw a sign there,
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing.
That side was made for you and me."
This hand is your hand,
this hand is my hand.
No wait, that's your hand.
Oh no. that's my hand.
Allow me to quote a children verse of that same song. I have no idea who wrote it, it was not sung anywhere officially. Just a bunch of seven year olds would sing it because we thought it was funny.
"This land is my land, It is not your land.
I've got a shotgun and you ain't got one.
If you don't get off, I'll blow your head off.
This land was made for only me."
This would not only be the more realistic version but the more inspiring one. Kind of has that "don't tread on me" feel to it.
@Snipergoat1 That's an interesting choice of word: "inspiring". Surely the idea of freedom to roam is more inspiring than being able to say : "Get off my land"?
@@Snipergoat1
What a horrible perspective on society.
I was raised under the principle of:
Your freedom ends where it starts to interfere with another ones.
The way these children see the world here is describing the fundamental oposite:
Your freedom ends in front of my gun when i decide to say so.
A truly tyranical aproach as i see it, nothing "inspiring" there.
Not to mention the following verse:
"In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking
Is this land made for you and me?"
Woody Guthrie wasn't writing a patriotic song in the strictest sense of the word. He wanted to highlight the massive inequality and the theft of the land from the people.
Simple rule everywhere in Europe, if there is a fence you don't cross it, if it cultivated land you search for the path (there is almost always one between fields), if it's open land walk freely without disturbing things. As I told my kids, it's not a right to roam, it's your responsibility to not act like a pig.
I'm Swedish and when I was taught about Allemansrätten in School,I was told that it should really be called Allemansskyldighet, everyones duty. Because it's everyone's duty to keep nature clean and not leave trash anywhere, and behave responsibly in Nature. And that's probably why it works, we teach our kids that they must behave responsibly in nature.
I was tuaght fropm a youing age that inside every rigth is a duty, the duty to use that ruigth in a way which ensures it can continue to be enjoyed in the future.
Barbed wire used to be fairly common here in Finland for some time, but it's been illegal on farmland for a couple of decades now. I remember spending a few weeks removing our old rusty barbed wire fences with my dad when I was a kid. (That was one serious tetanus vaccination test...)
It must be noted here thet even when animal pastures were surrounded with barb wires in the past, it has never been illegal for people to cross those fences and roam where you want.
@@seppokarjalainen2409 True and false; a pasture you can freely cross, cultivated land not. Not that anybody would care, but basically walking on farming land, with or without fences, is not legal.
@@sampohonkala4195 There is some sense to that. At least a lot more than most of these "We roam wherever we want" folks. Not sure why barbed wire would be illegal. What about electric fences? Cattle can go right through most fences and will usually do so pretty quickly if there is nothing to discourage this.
@@Snipergoat1 It is illegal because of the danger it posed to animals and people. Especially if the wire had snapped due to rust and is now free hanging and/or hidden by foliage. It was made illegal due to it's hazardous nature and is not permitted in the use of fencing in any pastures or other areas created for animals to roam. Electrical fences and such are permitted if they are to regulation (not too high a voltage). Barbed wire is still used elsewhere but it is highly regulated and monitored. You can buy it but you need to give detailed description on what you are using it for and as far as I know the seller can deny you if they deem your use to be dangerous or not within the allowed parameters or if it is a use that requires you to have a permit for it.
@Snipergoat1 Did you watch the video? Thousands of cattle died.
Norwegian here, I vaguely remember being taught how to treat nature with care in kindergarten. We did hikes, and some days we were just chilling in the woods. Early elementary school we had overnight camps, and long ski trips in the winter. The right to roam is so embedded in me today, that it is hard to imagine anything else.
Can't really imagine living without the right to roam!
In England we have a massive network of public footpaths, some dating back to the Iron Age. Many of these pass through private land, and it is down to the land owner to maintain them and keep them accessible. Everybody has access to these footpaths, so she was somewhat inaccurate in her comments regarding England. We do have the right to roam, but we are required to stay on the footpaths when on private land.
With larger populations and more visitors it becomes necessary to keep or to direct people on paths, which can survive the heavy traffic.
Such needs exist in sensitive nature reserves also in Nordic countries.
Otherwise, in principle, the everyman right to roam doesn't mean having right to use only roads or paths. Those aren't really consider nature at all. Nature is the space outside roads and paths or other human constructions.
And it also includes right to enjoy the nature, including taking berries or mushrooms, and not just to look at it from a path.
Yes, she had very limited researched knowledge on the UK's the accesses to roam all over the country. We have a multitude of access to public footpaths that pass through private land all over the country and in and around villages, cities and towns. What is she talking about?!!
@@1funkyflyguy
Unfortunately right to use paths is very different topic from what many other parts of Europe mean by right to roam or Everyman's Rights.
Right to roam is mostly about nature outside paths, except in UK, where such rights don't really exist.
Seems that the very ideas of Everyman's Rights seem alien to British people, who start to think about just using paths or passing through private land. If might be a good situation, since what you don't know about you also don't miss.
The following is what the right to roam on private land means from Finnish perspective:
Roaming private lands
When you’re on private land, remember that you’re not just a guest of nature but a guest of the landowner. You may wander freely and swim, cycle, canoe, go hook and line or ice fishing, or even pitch a tent in some places. But use your best judgement and respect the rights and privacy of others - don’t camp close to a private home or venture into someone’s garden.
Leaving no trace
Finns have zero tolerance when it comes to noise and littering. Always take your rubbish with you, avoid making excessive noise and take care not to disturb wildlife. Stay on paths when you can - this helps to keep you safe and preserve fragile eco-systems. Remember that low-growing vegetation including lichens, mosses and dwarf shrubs are easily damaged and rocky fells are sensitive to erosion. Ancient glacial rocks along the coast are similarly at risk. In short, leave nothing but footprints behind.
With freedom to roam comes responsibility to behave and use your freedom with respect.
I live in Sweden and the right to roam has always been natural to me. The concept that you have no right to enjoy nature feels like a prison to me.
And the issue of people leaving garbage isn't really a problem. Most people who explore the nature respect it (because they love it) and pick upp their own trash, and sometimes others to if they see any. There are way more trash along the roads than in the woods.
In short... experience nature is a human right in my mind.
A suggestion for a channel for you to dive into is Jonna Jinton. Amazing photography and lot of philosophical topics about quality of life and living close to nature.
Love your channel
The irony is despite the fact my country has right to roam, I always stick to footpaths and avoid fenced in areas unless it's totally unavoidable. Legally as long as I'm not crushing crops, bothering farm animals, or trespassing someone's yard, I'm good, and yet it's the last resort for me. But just knowing I HAVE THE RIGHT to if need be is liberating.
Here in Hungary, we have a similar situation like in Germany. Camping is generally disallowed, but you can traverse private land. Generally, within reason. Don't go into others backyards, but if there is an agricultural land, you can traverse it, but make sure don't damage the crops. Usually it is easier to just go around fields as they are way smaller here, than in the US.
I never saw a homeless in an area used for recreation which is outside of a populated area. Sure parks and nature reserve spots which are inside populated area can have them, but they usually stick to cities as they have more opportunities for support/whatever. So homeless people isn't a factor in right to roam IMHO:
On the other hand, vandalism and trash is always a problem. There are and will be douchebags, who do this regardless where they are and what they do.
I live in Sweden and I love allemansrätten. As a kid we would go picking berries or mushrooms with mom and sometimes in kindergarten we would make excursions to the woods. During covid we were advised to do outdoor activities since it's easier to keep a distance, so during the summer we would do orientation in the woods. It's where you find markers that have been put all over the woods and marked on a map, it's a sport here. We just did it for fun and this summer was very rainy so we found lots of mushrooms to pick.
The only predators in Sweden are brown bears, wolves, lynx, wolverines and eagles and most people never se them because they are very shy and we only have one poisonous snake that I think kills one person every 8 years wasps kill 1-3 per year. The only thing that's given me trouble are the mosquitoes and deer flies 🤬
In the UK, there aren't any big predators, we killed all the bears and wolves, there are wild boar that some clown released from meat farms and they have done well, and can attack dogs and people. one "poisonous" snake the Adder, although not many people for from it, and they are in a very small area of the country. I've never seen one, midge's and gnats, little blood sucking insects are annoying. The nearest nice walk to me would be the Malvern hills, Where the composer Edward Elgar was inspired to write his beautiful music. it's 40 miles away and I've never been. probably never will
It is forbidden in Norway to put out new bared wires from 2010, but there are districts that made it forbidden allready in the 1880ies.
I really start to understand how blessed I am to be born in Sweden💛💙 Free School, free healthcare, free education, freedom to speech and free to go where we want, taking care of the poor and sick. We really are the "Land of the free" 😁
Great answer! I'm travelling as a cyclist from Cape North to Göteborg, three weeks in sweden. This is the real freedom. Grettings from Lübeck/Germany (not so far away from Denmark and Sweden 🙂)
Littering isn't really an issue here in Finland. Hardly ever do I come across rubbish in the woods.
Depends where your forests are. It was common to dump your litter out of sight, so there are old cars and so on, almost all land owners dumprs their sh..tuff in the forest. And here in the south, almost aalways you find atleast plastics, some dump theit furniture in the woods and so on.
I live in Sweden by a lake that has a great spot for swimming and jumping, it's very popular with the youth. We have to go there regularly to clean up after the little shits unfortunately.
@@markoitmard If you find larger trash like furniture/cars in forests, you can/should notify the police about it. Police can figure it out with the landowner who it belongs to and why it's there. Landowner will have to clean it anyways. Small plastic trash is an issue though.
In Finland we do have "Everyman's Right to Roam". It's one of the most appreciated basic rights for everyone - even for tourists.
The name was changed to "Everyone's right"
@@Jantzku Haha, l know. In English "everyman" can interpret as human in general. But yes, you are right. 😅👍
@@Jantzku That is a silly distinction as man also means human but whatever, not a point worth arguing over as it invariably will put you in conflict with trivially minded people and they can be very good at dragging you down to their level and that is a steep price to pay for a title that may roll off of the tongue better but is otherwise the same.
This summer, I was on a 9000km trip to Norway, a country with a particularly generous right to roam and an insane amount of tourists from all over europe who make use of it. In spite of that, the country is very clean. Where garbage can be found, it is for the most part brought in by ocean currents, or distributed by the wind. I saw ONE spot, where somebody just droped trash in the wild. I picked up as much as I could carry and brought it back to the next trashcan - as very many people who roamed there did. Where roaming is prohibited, that does not happen. That is what you see in gardens with fences: Some people drop trash over the fence, but nobody climbs over to get any of that back out. The person, who is littering is already willing to break a rule and does not need to care, if he or she breaks one more. But do not expect somebody to break in to clean.
Of cause, where humans are present, there are always some, who behave like pigs. But generally, rights to roam can reduce littering.
My family owns what would be called "an obscene amount" of land in Norway and we just put up 150 additional trash cans/bag dispensers for people that walk their dogs on our land. That way, they can pick up their dogs business and keep the area clean. If they forgot or ran out, grab a bag free of charge. :-D
And you're OK with the public accessing your land at will?
Here in Finland, with the right to roam, you can go forage for berries, mushrooms, etc. and then sell these on the market - tax free.
As a Finn it's very weird for me to think that I couldn't walk or ride or paddle wherever I want. Also, despite all the free access, littering in nature is extremely rare, since our every-man's-right (jokamiehenoikeus) is deeply appreciated by all, and we are culturally conditioned from childhood to take care of stuff and to respect nature and other people's property.
I live in Finland and use this right multiple times in a week. If I came across trash I always pick it up although its not quite that often. At the moment I'm picking mushrooms and berries with my dogs and friends where ever I can find them. Sometimes I take sandwich and coffee with me or just coffee. It's very relaxing and I couldn't even think my life without our recreational walks in the woods. And if I run into a body of water I can take a dip in it and, yeas in a nude if I'm in the middle of nowhere.
A fellow Finn here. Yes absolutely this! However, it's so sad that somewhere around 90% of our forests are young and monoculture. There's so little real forests
@@bohemianbluu That's so true. And the current trend of clearcutting everywhere. I see it all the time and they also leave the ground very hard to walk. I've lost so many places for those cuttings.
I consider the right to roam to be an important part of my patriotism. I'm Czech, and in most cases I don't fly the flag unless it's a demonstration or one of the three most important national holidays, and even then it's sporadic. But no matter where I go, I feel closely connected to the land and want to keep it clean and beautiful for all.
For many Americans, private ownership and gun ownership are very much connected into each other. People are willing to use lethal force against someone who is trespassing, even if the person is not doing any harm to their property.
Here in Finland, You can basically do anything that does not cause harm to the land, forest, crops or livestock. Temporary camping is also OK. Of course, you cannot pick apples or cranberries from someone's garden, or wild berries from the immediate vicinity. (50 to 100 yards or so).
Making an open fire requires permission from the land owner. Some land owners may even build a designated fireplace for campers that can be used without explicit permission, unless there is a forest fire warning. You still can't cut any living trees for firefood, only dead branches from the ground.
We always leave the door of the tiny Sauna of our family's Summer cottage unlocked when we leave, so it could be used as temporary shelter without breaking the door, if someone gets in trouble on the lake or ice on bad weather. I even bring a small amount firewood, primers and matches for winter, so that if someone gets hypothermic, they can get some warmth. The Sauna does not have anything valuable to steal.
I once took a couple of American tourists to a friend's lakeside cottage in Finland.
After a few hours roaming the forest picking mushrooms, the yanks turned to me, whispering:
"This friend of yours must be really rich?"
"What?" I asked.
"They own all this land? Got to be expensive in Finland?"
Without thinking I responded: "Oh, this is not their land"
The Americans panicked, expecting a war to break out any second and that's when I learned what it means to be free.
Or I learned that after I stopped pissing myself laughing at their reaction.
Barbed wire is used sparingly in the UK ,hedges and dry stone walls are the mostly used to contain livestock,dry stone walls because the materials to construct them are close to hand ,hedges are usually of native plants like hawthorn ,which just need trimming occasionally, ❤❤
In Germany, a barbed wire fence can be banned if it appears inappropriate or provokes a dangerous situation.
Since a barbed wire fence is actually always a source of danger for playing children or animals, it is only allowed in exceptional cases.
Most of the time it is only used as an upper boundary of a wall (e.g. in prisons).
Here in England and Wales and possibly Northern Ireland (not sure) , we don't have the right to roam,but we have an extenive country wide network of footpaths that are rights of way that have existed for hundreds of years ,they are very popular and widely used ,as long you do no damage ,are careful of livestock ,and keep close to footpaths there's no problems . I've spent holidays walking these paths for 60 years and have never been asked to leave , locally there a path across field that has s crop grown in it most years , walkers just walk through the crops doing as little damage as possible ,nothing is said ❤ .
near where I live was a farm with a path going through it just 5 yards from a parallel road. The attempt to close the path or move it was opposed by the local fanatic at a quoted cost of £10000, over 20 years ago. The farmer went out of business, the farm became derelict. However I have never seen anyone on that path.
In England if a public footpath/bridleway runs across a field and the farmer has cropped over it it's his duty to remark it out clearly, it is advisable to stay out of fields with cattle in them for safety, more so if they have calves to foot. Byways open to all traffic (often ancient drove roads) have a separate set of laws and the Highways Acts apply, but can't be legally blocked by the land owner without a court order, rarely given, they can be gated but not locked.
Here in Ireland, Republic, we do not have the right of access to private land, a warning shot from a farmer with a shotgun can be common.
There is also the can of worms that is British common ground...I'm just glad I grew up within a short walk of a good village woodland common
No right to roam unless there is an old path, right?
Can you camp on a thousand year old village?
@@XtreeM_FaiLWith the Landowners consent, wild camping on public land or in a National Park is very limited in England, knowledge of the local bylaws needed.
There is a lot of forest in my area. This forest belongs either to the village cooperatives.
It goes without saying that this forest is open to everyone, unless there is a danger.
Danger can be that trees are felled, that after a storm it has to be checked whether trees are still stable or that a hunt is taking place.
Otherwise anyone can enter the forest.
But there are also rules: don't light a fire, don't leave trash and only collect fruit as you eat it yourself.
Heck, yeah, Heidi, nice to see you react to Ashton. She is really well informed as well as doing great research for her videos. The Type Ashton (formerly The Black Forest Family) channel is REALLY worth browsing through.
Their multi-part series on the comparison of income vs disposable income vs cost of living vs services received is outstanding, to say the least. I've seen loads of far more boring, dishonest, lying documentaries than anything Ashton has produced. She is humble, down-to-earth, honest, genuine, open to discussion and input, scientific , educated, open-minded. Just downright lovable.
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Edit 2: What you referred to at roughly 17:00 is called Grundbucheintrag, literally a ground book entry in German. The local Grundbuchamt (ground book office) holds those records. The edges are delineated EXACTLY by land surveyors, plus small insets in the ground at relatively immobile spots, called Markierungssteine, literally marking stones, in the ground. Moving such a stone vicariously is a criminal offense, not a minor violation, as these stones may delineate multiple edges or borders of properties, including public property. This seems to apply in a lot of other European countries as well.
Recently a Belgian farmer moved one such stone with a tractor on the border of France and Belgium. He moved it for his convenience as it was making the entry with his tractor difficult. It wasn't really an international incident, as it was seen more as a joke, rather than something to be really bothered about. But that made Belgium a tiny bit larger, and France a tiny bit smaller. Both sides made jokes of the situation. Especially the mayor of the French town was quoted as saying: "I think we will manage to prevent a larger border conflict."
On the other hand, your property tax in Germany is also calculated by the size determined by the dimensions inside these Markierungssteine, marking stones. Sometimes the lines between three of these marking stones that SEEM to be a straight line actually make a very obtuse angle, resulting in somewhat strange property shapes. But yes, these are VERY common in Germany, and yes, property disputes over the exact shape and size of one property bordering directly on another do occur regularly as well. Including such trivial things as someone cutting the hedge on one side of the fence extending over from the other side. Or fruits being picked from a tree whose branches extend over a fence. And other such little neighborhood dramas.
She is giving a weird view of the UK. We have 1000s of miles of footpaths through farmland etc. Ancient ways are kept open to all, even going through fields with crops in
As many others have pointed out: Having public footpaths going through private land in England is not the same as having the right to roam. To my knowledge, you cannot pick mushrooms or pluck berries in a private forest in England (Scotland is different), have a picknick on a meadow or swim in a lake on private property. You can just walk through it if there's a marked footpath.
@@karinwenzel6361 sometimes you can
It's not 'the UK' or 'Britain' Scotland has no restrictions, yes nobody will walk through someone's garden, but that's just common sense. Every part of Scotland is accessible. This dosn't mean people go through fields ruining crops or frightening livestock, that would just be stupid, not to mention criminal damage. The right to roam is something different to that. Something like the west highland way is not all about sticking to paths. Just don't get lost in the mountains 😉
@@GarryGri actually lol ione of our rights of way here in Oxfordshire literally dies go through a row of people's back gardens.I walked it a couple of years ago
Scrivo in italiano: in Europa ci sono decine di percorsi che portano a luoghi di culto, la Via Francigena che da Londra raggiunge Roma, il Cammino di Santiago che raggiunge la Spagna ecc. e sono tutti sentieri che attraversano le campagne, i boschi, le valli accessibili a tutti. In Italia poi, nessuno può vietare il passaggio o la sosta sulla riva del mare, anche dove ci sono spiagge private.
What happens if someone gets injured on someone else's property? I'm from Europe so i can say "not a lot" but i can imagine that the owner get sued in Amerika.
I didn't know that you can't go anywhere in the USA. For us here in Germany it is completely normal to go into the forest, into the fields or go boating on the river. Really crazy. I thought the USA was a land of unlimited possibilities. I would feel very unfree.
Last time I checked in the past the Germans Roamed all over Europe , twice and those awful Americans , twice , had to teach them about trespassing ….
As a Canadian, whenever i vacation in the U.S. i get scared that i might get arrested, fined or shot for taking a walk in a park, beach, forest or some ones front yard. Also i was shocked how many times fees are required to visit national parks & camp grounds.
That's what you get with unrestrained late-stage capitalism. Everything is for sale and everything can be taken away from the general public for the right "donation".
If I remember correctly when I was on vacation in Canada i had to pay a little fee to get inside a National Park. I thought it was a common fee in all National Parks in Canada.
You can’t roam around the countryside in Canada either especially in the prairies you can’t just walk across farm fields
@@vanesag.9863 No fees in National parks Scotland
Barbed wire was indeed invented and patented in the US in 1874. It was banned in Norway as a means to fence in livestock in 2010, because of the damage it can do to the animals (not only livestock, but also wild animals).
Considering that cattle can easily go right through most fences and will eventually do so, how do you keep them in? Electric fences?
@@Snipergoat1 Yes. I believe most farmers use electric fences here.
I grew up in Scotland hiking and camping everywhere freely. It always felt weird going to England and not having the same freedoms. However mass tourism to some places on the west of Scotland has become too much for our nature with people not respecting it and loch lomond for example banned camping because of the vast amounts of trash left behind. Learn the laws of the landscape.
You are a divisive lot north of the border. Trying to imply England is much more restrictive. It is true you cannot literally go everywhere on every piece of land. However a balanced view would be to say there are 100 and 100 of miles of ancient footpaths criss-crossing the entire country and around the coast, often all joined up. It should hardly feel like you are that restricted.
I'm English live in Scotland ,it must be pointed out England we have thousands public footpath that go back thousands of years ,these the landowner must do and pay for the upkeep, check out OS maps available everywhere
Thank you Tony, I was going to say the same. In my opinion she was not exactly correct about England.
@jasmineteehee3612 She was technically correct, but in practice there are so many footpaths it makes little difference. We don't have the right to leave the paths, but we generally don't need to anyway
@@scollyb What about moorland in England? A fair proportion of the north and southwest of the country is rough grazing or grouse moor. Do you have to stick to paths there too. In Scotland the only issues are damage and privacy, you can't for example walk through someone's backyard nor are you allowed to trample crops. Otherwise to can go anywhere.
@carelgoodheir692 This has gone through the courts. I'm not sure of the details, but a land owner on Dartmoor recently lost a case on appeal stopping people walking and camping on his land. So there are some rights but I don't think they are as strong as in Scotland
@@scollybThe main difference is scope - Scotland allows access to almost all it's countryside, England designates land & land types as public access land, with the end result that only 8% of the countryside is accessible (aside public rights of way - which is a different thing than the right to roam)
Imagine this: one third of Poland are forests (almost all of them are public) and people love to spend their time in forests to walk, pick berries or mushrooms. It is a truly common treasure. When pandemic struck, the government was restricting movement of people and at some point, nobody knows why, introduced completely unnecessary ban to enter forests. People were outraged and this government will be remembered forever as the one that "closed the forests for people". When the ban was lifted everyone just jumped in the car and went forest hiking.
The forest ban in Poland was also fully unconstitutional and all tickets received for entering forests during the ban were fully illegal and anybody who took it to court won.
How do you close a forest? :O
@@XtreeM_FaiL Sounds stupid, right ? And it is like it sounds. You do it the same way you close people at homes during the pandemics.
@@XtreeM_FaiL Close the roads that lead to them? Just my guess...
@@tiborklein5349 Yeah, that works.
In a video game. :D
In northern Germany where I'm from, there is a saying : "If it is not fenced off or a farmers field growing crops = it's a shortcut (to get home)!"
Woods/Forrests are "frenemies": If you're attacked by a boar, it's more or less your fault! If the attacker is a prehistoric dog (aka wolf) and you survive it, then you are just a poor victim and will get the BEST service at the hispital, public recognition and a "Get well" Card from the head of the local State! ;)
I work for the land registry in the UK and, yeah, we know exactly where the boundary of everyone's property is!
I live in Scotland and nice to be able to explore the outdoors and see our beautiful country. I totally agree with people having respect for the area by cleaning up after themselves or being careful around livestock.
That popular song you mentioned, This Land Is Your Land by Woody Guthrie, actually has a fourth verse that isn't often sung today and which addresses this very issue. It was essentially a protest song.
There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
Sign was painted, it said private property;
But on the back side it didn't say nothing;
This land was made for you and me
It was just an eye opener when i heard one tourist asking who owns these berries on roadside. Never thought that there are places in this earth where you cant eat what you found. (and btw you dont want to eat something you find in roadside, just take couple steps (100m+)in to that forest and they might be pollutant free.)
There was one famous "fence" that used lots of barbed wire straight across germany. But fun aside it's also used in germany but not that common. Mostly to enclose small pastures.
Well, i think her question was more about how it was during (and before) the mid 1800s, when it started being heavily used in the US...
I have that used to that as it is in Finland that it is difficult to imagine that there are some countries where you don't have the freedom to walk in the nature or pick wild berries in the forest.
We have homeless people, littering and crime in Europe too, it’s no different. None of that is a reason to deny people access to the countryside. It works in Europe so it can work in America just as well.
the garbage and litter from the homeless were their tents/ their homes, they needed to flee that got bulldozed. if they could just roam or had other places to go to. tham they wouldn't be evicted from would stay clean from garbage. And you can simply have anti-littering laws within your roaming laws.
In Slovenia we have very similar approach as in Scandinavia for roaming rights with little more limitations about camping, but less than in Germany. We also have the law that does not allow people to own waterline neither for sea, rivers or lakes. I find it great and I hope it will stay like that.
Awesome!
In Italy beaches (5 meters from the shoreline to be precise) and riverbanks are always publicly owned. That has not stopped people trying to walk them off and treat them as private property which can (and often has) lead to a trial
We don't have that luxury in Finland. It's very common to have a sauna right on the shore, and the right to roam is weaker than the law that protects against home invasion. This makes some lakes completely inaccessible, but luckily we have plenty.
Swede here. We also have beach protection laws and its AWESOME! So even if you buy a house next to water you have to allow people to pass by the shoreline. The lakes and ocean view belong to all of us!!
My favourite story of all time is when a group of people identified unlawfully built docks next to a number of extremely high value lake properties. Since its officially public land on the beach they started swimming from those docks, one of them a helicopter lauch pad next to the most expensive private house ever sold in sweden. They started to call it ”Folkets bad” (the peoples beach) and it became very popular to swim there. 🥳 they posted some lovely heartwarming pics of happy kids jumping off of that huge helicopter pad. 😍😍
America had the right to roam when it was the natives land they were roaming on. I guess that today, America is afraid that someone will do the same to them, if they were given the possibility to move freely.
I hope you get to experience a more modern world in US someday Heidi, i think you have enough people over there that function and should have the right to roam free like us in Europe. Have a good one and thanks for the fun channel 😊❤
As an American, thank you for the kind comment 🙂❤️
"Take only pictures, leave only footprints" a popular summary of the Swedish "Allemansrätten".
England started comprehensive surveys of who owned what land in 1086. It was partly to help with the raising of taxes and establishing how many men at arms landowners had to provide to the King in times of war. Although almost all land is privately owned trespassing is not a criminal offence and someone has to sue you to keep you off their land and there are a network of rights of way including 140,000 miles of public footpaths and 25,000 miles of public bridleways.
In the Netherlands it is illegal to own a beach privately afaik. Not just for access for the general public, but also because of coastal defenses. Some areas are completely closed to people, to keep it quiet for animals as a nature reserve. Most of the dunes are also not just available to walk through, you're not allowed to just walk outside the paths, because they're part of the flood defenses, and if people were allowed to walk all over the dunes they would trample the grasses that keep the loose sand in place and the dunes would disappear very quickly.
It is technically illegal to just walk through places, that law generally refers to farmland though, I've not really seen it enforced, and most farmers don't mind all that much if you take care to not damage things or animals or crops. You can't really walk through a field of wheat without crushing it, and if you startle cattle and they run into barbed wire you are liable for causing damage or injuries. Some areas are closed during certain times if there are nesting birds for example, so you aren't allowed to just walk through if that's the case, but that's usually indicated with signs.
As for homeless people, what I've heard from organisations that try to help homeless people in LA was that the police would take people's belongings, and throw them away, because they said it was trash. This happened a lot at one particular place that gave food, it was very small, so people were asked to leave large bags and carts outside. Then during mealtimes (purposefully timed) the police would drive past and throw away all the bags and carts. Everything to make life so much harder for homeless people. So whenever a city bans homeless people from certain areas it raises some questions. Do they really leave a lot of trash, or is that just their things they have with them. More often than not the ban is purely to keep homeless people out of sight, not because they cause trouble or leave trash.
When I was visiting family the US I experienced the perfect example of how the mentaility there works.
My BIL family's invited me who are reasonably wealthy. Then when I was about to go home my BIL came and demanded I pay for my stay as I had used their bedroom and ate their food. These were wealthy peole who had a ton of money but didn't have the guts to tell me before I came or even when I was about to leave.
Extremely grreedy and selfish people with some cowardice sprinkled in...
No, those guys were dickheads. If you invite someone they are your guest. You treat them accordingly. Similarly, if someone chooses to visit but is not specifically invited, they are here of their own accord and should pay their own way.
I'll ague and curse at whatever custom you think that the US should or should not have all damn day. Discourtesy to a guest is most definitely not an American custom. We are assholes in many ways but that is not one of them. Those guys were fucking pricks. You should have just told them (In true American fashion) "Sue me".
I would have waited untill i had to crap, crap on their lawn right in front of them and then asked them how much for using the bedroom only since i just gave the food back
Most nature is free to walk through in the Netherlands as long as you stick to the paths and you leave the nature reserve between sunset and sunrise.
There a massive hiking network throughout the country. Often paths go through a meadow.
We do have property rights and lines in Norway..
The oldest complete set of laws in Norway is from the 1270s, and a large portion of the law was property rights, where it's also states that you have to pay damages if you damage someone property, for instance if your cow breaks through the fense and eats your neighbors crop, you had to pay for this damage...
This reparasjon of damages also allowed the right to roam to continue, because you were liable for the damage on other people's property.
The right to roam always comes with obligations and restrictions. As someone with that right, and as a member of a land owning family, I don't understand what the problem is supposed to be.
I feel that this also touches in the topic of the freedom for bearing guns. In Europe people don't keep guns in their properties just in case there are trespassers, so a person accidentally traversing a property won't end up being shot, at the same time it is not very common to have burglars carrying guns. But this goes to the core of what is wrong in the US, people there is already damaged by the lifestyle imposed by the tradition so, if you try to implement freedom for roaming it will end up in a total failure and disaster. Before changing that you need to change many other things, and that is really difficult, because some people will be scared of the change, and some other will just think in ways to take advantage of the change to enhance their criminal activities. I am really sad for growing up and finding out that "the land of freedom" is actually less free than most European countries, ironically the push for independent freedom to the extreme (like the right of bearing weapons), can actually make the whole society less free.
Not so much scared of change, but rather very happy with the right to lord it over people who have less, combined with a real love by a certain segment of our population to shot anything and everything. When you add that to our super ultra capitalism that decides that everything should be controlled by private interests and government should have extremely limited rights to protect the "little people" you get the god-awful mess that is the USA.
Barbed Wire has been used and is in use outside USA too. But in Europe there was already old fences made of locally available materials, so there wasn't exactly similar needs or use cases for it.
Nowadays low voltage fences are the much more preferable way to control cattle and build simple fenced areas.
What do you define as low voltage? It seems to me you would want a fairly high voltage, low wattage pulsed charge. The voltage would bite but a current limiter would prevent electrocution and the pulse would prevent something from getting muscle locked on to it.
@@Snipergoat1
My choice of words wasn't so good.
To be more precise I meant products like implementing the European standard EN 60335-2-76/A12:2010
If is used as a kind of "electric shepherd".
@@Snipergoat1
I should have written low energy electric fences. The voltage is indeed high, but the current and energy of then pulses are tightly controlled to not create permanent damage..
We can all walk where we wish anywhere in the UK. Obviously politeness would mean you did not walk up to a house
and peer in the windows etc. but all countryside is available to us all.
11:10 - No right (freedom) without a duty. One of the core concepts of the german constitution. And sadly forgotten by many of "We the people"...
Barbed wire got a couple of patents in the US in the 1860s and 1870s. There is even a museum devoted to the stuff in Kansas.
The woman in the video mentioned "Good fences make good neighbors" as a common notion in America. It comes directly from a poem. And if you read the poem, the author was making the OPPOSITE case: that boundaries are what alienate us from one another. 'Mending Wall' by Robert Frost (1914).
And maybe we could forgive the homeless who are struggling to survive and not freeze to death for the crime of littering. It's funny: people are so quick to see the garbage and rarely see the people themselves.
Hello from Switzerland, I can understand that homeowners fence off the area around their house as "not accessible to the public". Likewise, of course, on company premises, especially since it can be dangerous for children.
In general, I would say that we have relatively little fencing to keep out "intruders" and if we do, there are usually specific reasons (military areas, protected areas for game or young forest or dangerous terrain such as falling rocks, abysses, etc.). Fences are most likely to be found in pasture areas, obviously to prevent livestock from running away. Streets, paths, even footpaths and hiking trails are generally free to use, except for sometimes gates/passages that were made because of the cattle but are passable for pedestrians. It goes without saying that no one likes to see the area being littered, plastic bags or pet bottles being thrown into nature, which means that you should leave every place at least as well maintained as you found it. Free camping is generally not prohibited here, although there are certain regional/local restrictions. As with entering the country, when camping, those who behave properly are more likely to be tolerated.
The regulation in Sweden probably works quite well for Sweden, but here in some cases it doesn't, so a limit definitely makes sense for our game and fish stocks.
However, I think it's bad that in the USA you can deny the public access to beaches. In Spain there was (or still is) a law that prohibits exactly this or states that the beaches are public, but I think that's a very good thing.
Ugh, protecting/defending one's property and one's land with violence is a delicate matter for us. You may have to prove the threat to your life and limb in court, lethal force, you'll already have one foot in prison unless you yourself were seriously injured (to put it that way). Even police officers usually have to answer in court if they have used their service weapon, where it will be clarified whether the use of the weapon was the last resort and whether it was necessary. A shot that results in death or serious injury represents an even higher hurdle, so it can be estimated how sensitive this would be in our country (however, the crime rate here is still very low, which means that these situations are actually rare).
As a new landowner in Germany, I now have a different attitude. But I have to describe the local circumstances:
Due to inheritance, the properties here are very small (80-2000m^2). The use is specified by the municipality and also determines, among other things, taxation. Agricultural land is grouped together by farmers from different landowners in order to be able to use it economically. These may not be fenced in or otherwise built on. Only garden areas may be fenced in or built with a garden shed.
Now to the problem: Even on agricultural land there are fruit trees (usually border plants) to which practically everyone has access and everyone uses them. I own a small agricultural area with a walnut tree. I wanted to harvest this myself after consulting with the tenant. Now I had 10 walnuts from the entire tree because some people stole from me. The law prevents me from protecting my property.
Do you know what one of our biggest freedoms here in Europe generally is?
Not having to send our kids to school with bullet proof backpacks and have them practice Shooter Drills there.
We don't need to because we have strict and effective Gun Control. 👍
Thanks for another video which made me think.
In Denmark every property are measured and mapped, in case of a disagreement we contact the local municipality who have the maps, and they can provide a guy who comes and measure with GPS where the lines are.
This year I had to call them because a power company was going to lay new power lines and they were getting to close to one of my wells, so he came and we settled that they should stick close to the road which is also on my property.
In Sweden, similar in Norway and Finland, these are the main rules when it comes to free roaming or Allemansrätten
1. You can camp 1-2 nights but not close to someones house
2. Everything that you bring into the woods, you have to bring out. Like paper, plastic, bottles etc
3. You can light a fire assuming it has not been banned due to drought. You are always responsible for the consequences when you light a fire
4. If you light a fire on stone, dont extinguish with water, you might damage the stone
5. You can NEVER hunt wildlife
6. Its free to fish in the sea
7. Its free to fish in most lakes but some require a licence, usually about 10-15$ for a year
8. You must close any gates you open. If you leave a gate open and farm animals escape, you are responsible
9. Walk on the edges of farmland, not across
10. You can freely pick berries, roots, mushrooms, flowers etc ,with a few exceptions(example, there is a valuable fungus that grows on some trees, that you cant pick)
11: You must not disturb wildlife, especially during nesting season, some places, especially islands are off limits during certain periods
12. Dont pick endangered flowers etc, its your responsibility to know which
13. Dont break branches etc for firewood, it is allowed to use sticks and branches that have fallen down
14. Motor driven vehicles are forbidden in nature, even the landowners rights has rules about this
15. If you bring a dog, they must be on a leash during parts of the year
16. MOST IMPORTANT - SHOW THE NATURE AND ITS FAUNA AND FLORA THE RESPECT IT DESERVES, YOU ARE AN INTRUDER, LEAVE IT AS YOU ENTERED
This may seem like many rules but most of them are just common sense
Enjoy!
Scotland here. Modern property sales are backed by GPS coordinates, drawing the border as the lines between a series of points. Older deeds are based on much more lose definitions like "property extends to the edge of the road" or "property extends from the rear garden to the treeline". You obviously get some distputes in the older examples if two sets of deeds claim the same set of land, but it is pretty rare.
We really enjoy the right to roam here in Scotland, and was surprised when we went down south to England at how much more restricted everything was.
Same in Germany
I can understand not allowing homeless onto the land as they don't want them to use it as a permanent home, its for recreation.
It's a bit of a shame she didn't cover the "Natura 2000"-habitats, the rule doesn't readily apply there. Some plots are prohibited from visiting (controlled by the local rangers) and some between certain set times. Natura 2000 is a European agreement to keep changes to biodiversity/habitat to a minimum and to protect it.
I've NEVER heard anyone talking negatively about the right to roam. It's actually insane that it's not just common sense...
Land has been around for billions of years, ownership is just a blink of an eye and should be viewed as short term guardianship. Land belongs to everyone.
This is just one more issue where the US is the most at odds with what makes sense. The right to roam is one of many things that makes life in the Nordic countries better than pretty much everywhere else for the average citizen. The key to a happy society is sharing, and it's been like that since the Stone Age.
I am impressed every time by the excellent videos of Doctor Ashton of the Black Forest Family.
I would be happy if Heidi would comment more of these videos.
Very well done and what Ashton shows is very well researched and to the point.
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in finland you can pick berries and mushrooms from anyone's forest as much as you want and sell them without taxes... my neighbour did almost 40 000€ just for picking few buckets of certain mushrooms and sold them...
As a Finn I get anxious just thinking about not having access to the nature. I would most likely be heavily depressed if I wouldn't have the ability to roam freely in nature where and when ever I want.
Land of the "free" (unless you're poor)
No, it's the land of the fee
It's free if you could afford it, but if you can't afford it you have to pay.
@Heidi: Next time you come to Europe, consider to walk or bike for a few days. Relaxing, resetting one´s mindset. Doesn´t matter which country or river, moutain, lake... Just enjoy this kind of freedom. You always are welcome here.
Littering is a mindset. We teach the children not to litter. (not 100% will follow). But those who frequently visit the nature are those who don´t litter. They respect the nature.
If one "banish unhoused people" .. where should they go? One solution should be to provide social housing in this case. Otherwise they are illegal .. making their situation even worse. Increased crime, littering... and so on is quite expectable then. So the opposite of what one wants.
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Here in the small country of Denmark we have a coastline of 8750 km (5437 Miles), most of it is public. You can trespass the private beaches. You can take a swim on a private beach, but you can not put up a tent and stay the night. Some beach owners still put up signs with "no trespassing", but the most of the population knows, that's illegal. Just pass through the beach as you please, there is nothing the owner can do.
Of course, do not litter or destroy anything, should be common sense.
You can also walk in private woods. A good rule is staying on the paths and keep your dog in a leach, so the dog ain't running around and scaring the wildlife.
Yes we have had barbed wire, now it is electric. Which was a dare to pee on when I was a kid. It hurts, I can tell. 🙂
Living in Norway, I think the right to roam is a public good. We have rules and guidelines to ensure that people don't litter, destroy nature or disrupt the wildlife. The laws are strict on making open fires for example (goes for everywhere, whether public or private land), as well as on littering. You can't camp within a certain distance (I think it's 150 metres or about 500 feet) of someone's domicile. Basically, you can't be a nuisance to the property owner.
There are rules on not using vehicles to disturb the land. Up north you can't use snowscooters in certain areas, even in winter. Norway's opretty serious about resopecting and preserving nature, but that doesn't mean people can't pass through it or enjoy it in a respectful manner.
I'm from Sweden and knowing I can just take a stroll in the woods or go take a dip in a lake or stream that's freedom for me. Then we hear all the time about the land of the free "USA" where nothing really is free, where you can get shot for anything. A friend on mine travelled to USA and did a road trip "coast to coast" and got lost on the trip and walked up to an unfenced house asking for directions and was introduced to a shotgun and the landowner didn't let them leave until the cops arrived and they threatened with trespassing. So fucking stupid!. Its one of the biggest no no's about wanting to travel to USA, what if I get shot for doing nothing at all??
You said you were on the fence for "right to roam" that you could understand the landowners, like with people littering and stuff, don't you think it happens in Europe too? it does but its a very small percentage and a small price to pay for the right to roam. And the majority of people wont litter.
Your next reaction should be to "Why Finland's schools outperform most others across the developed world", if you are interested in differences between Europe and US. This is just Finland but it's not just Finland, at least other nordic countries have some kind of similar systems. Thanks again for very interesting video!
Still everything is not unicorns and rainbows in Finland.
Finnish pupils have a serious problem with alcohol, even seen in minors.
Also Finland has in some places serious problems with homelessness and not everyone gets a good place in society socio-economically wise, because they are not born into a family of lawyers and doctors.
@@SamuelSamuel-zx9mu Yes, we definitely have problems too.
@@miikalohi8131 i mean no disrespect, i love your fighting spirit (Hakkappelliita), your culture and the fact that Finland has its unique identity among europeans just as you do.
I recently saw a documentary about finnish disaster-protection measures and they were so proud that they have a bunker for 10.000 people in Helsinki that they totally forget to add that Helsinki has a population of 1 million, so just 1% gets rescued.
You may guess who these lucky ones will be.
Yeah, rich and influent people from the upperclass, the 99% leftovers that are poor may die in the flames.
So much for the equality and progress of the finnish society.
In this regard nothing has changed :-[
14:22 Barbed wire is a US development, for exactly this application. - Its use in Europe is more in the war, for military installations, to protect critical infrastructure, for jails, or the former "Iron Curtain" which got its name from it. Agricultural areas in Germany are normally either unfenced, or, if you have horses or cattle inside, fenced by a portable/provisional fence, nowadays normally electrified. Permanent fences outside town area need a permission from the administration which is normally not granted. - In a country with 10x the population density of the US, you can be sure that land borders are very well defined, documented and normally physically marked. Since medieval times at least. By boundary stones, not fences.
You can wild camp in Germany. Thats not as issue at all. If you however need to sleep/stay somewhere for days/weeks then the idea is to go to a camping area. Also, hyper-touristic areas like places in Bavaria got more strict with wild camping, because people flooded parking areas and left poop & trash...
I've been told it's extremely dangerous to walk up to many suburban houses in the US after dark and knock on their front door... to maybe ..ask directions because you could be shot as an intruder
As Andy de Vries found out