I'm not sure you missed it. Another progressive who is fine with regulating, social engineering, taxing, etc. He just wants to do it HIS way, and thinks the problem is that we do it wrong.
@@barrydworak thank you for the honestly. tired of bootlickers playing like they couldn't be fascist because they're left. lol. decrim over legalize, every time. or better yet, abolish the law. it's arbitrarily set and the rulers don't follow their own rules. as individuals, we're better off just using best judgement and suffering any consequences, good or bad. don't want a dude to beat you senseless or kill? don't get his daughter drunk and then do PIV with her. AND/OR did a dude get your daughter drunk and then PIV her? git im. it's that simple. worlds better than stompy toddlers in black mumus banging their little wooden hammers all over the place. :)
Many people assume that prescription drugs are safer than illicit drugs...they are not. All drugs have the potential to kill if they are misused. There is no reason why illicit drugs should remain illegal. Get drugs off the street out of the hands of gangs and shady characters. As adults we should be free to put whatever we want into our bodies and while people will make poor choices it should be their choice to make.
I agree. The only way prescription drugs are definitely safer than illicit drugs is that they are pure and unadulterated because they are regulated. Illicit drugs are often laced with things or aren’t completely pure. Otherwise you are completely correct.
Cowardly thugs who will bring drugs to the party, but arrest you if you do. My brother use to have after hours parties at his pizzaria in Detroit. DEA used to party with him... and bring drugs that they confiscated.
Drug prohibition is causing much agony to cancer patients. My husband just died from brain cancer, in agony. His doctors were too scared by the DEA to give him adequate pain relief. Many Intractable pain patients are killing themselves after being ripped off the medication they were successfully stable on. We just lost another a week ago. Drug policy is shameful. The DEA is out of control. Going for the easy, cowardly, low hanging fruit solution of terrorizing compassionate docs.
Living in Portland, I can say his explanations of the issues as its "roll out" issue are oversimplifying and unhelpful. We have a cultural and structural issue here. Everyone votes for all the programs to help people without anyone thinking about it critically because we live in a mono-party state/city. Our politicians only need to throw money at the current thing to get elected. So we may have decriminalized and have all of the different programs this guy could ask for. But it's all done half-baked and none of the programs work together. And guess what next year we are going to vote for more of it because it's not working. Just as the programs don't work together and move forward mindlessly our local people will do the same. Just vote for our civic duty to help each other to a government and feel morally superior while doing so. Sorry watching the city I love circle the toilet has made me bitter.
@suspicionofdeceit Other than I wanted to rant a bit. The guy has the "When you have a hammer everything is a nail" mindset. Many of the examples he gives for his suggestions are based on countries with vastly different populations and cultures. Even the reason guys were pushing back on those points. What got me worked up was the hand-waving of the damage done to people when hard drugs are decriminalized without a solid plan and appropriate guardrails. In the end, if the solution sounds easy it's probably broken and incomplete.
The reason why decriminalization isn’t working is because of many things there no legal system, there no setup to get people lives on track, no free housing, your allowed to use on the street in Portugal or Switzerland it’s not like that…
I have to agree. I also watched the city of Portland turn into a shithole and just moved out a few months ago. I used to be heavily in favor of legalizing drugs. Now.... I'm not so sure. You are right that Portland has tried every single program under the sun and nothing works. Things only get worse.
Oregon measure 110 is being reversed and certain drugs are being re-criminalized…entierly premature & stupid decision!. Decrim in Oregon and in the USA, has been a radical step forward out from the awful War on Drugs! So of course there will be problems! but to say its a total failure prior to even a full year of it being in place is a premature stereotyping and foolish! We haven’t had a chance to even make impacts! Portland isn’t suffering MORE overdoses now than any other big city where drug decrim exists!! So nope! You cant scapegoat drug overdose increases as resultant of the decrim Measure! Its a failed excuse. Sadly thats exactly whats being stated by the bigoted stereotyping Oregon legislators who have re-criminalized the measure.
Great discussion, I'd love to see more content on this topic! It is so important that we rethink the global drug strategy and I think legalization would be the optimum step to take.
@@fhfbjufhwflpkpldxeh6070 Why not? Anything you can do that does not directly violate the rights of others should be legal. If I want to buy a kilo of coke and a machine gun, I have the right to do so with no questions asked.
@@jfangm libertarians when they cant think about when individual vices coagulate into macro-societal degradation. do you have no ability to think into the future? mixing coke and a machine guns available for everyone isnt a good idea. i understand the legalizing of psychedelics and weed since these arent actually dangerous nor addictive and can be used in moderation. however many libertarians also want the FULL-ON legalization of heroin, meth, hard drugs, etc lemme give you a history lesson: Chinese opiate dens massive societal use of hard drugs due to high availability WILL NOT create a good society
Nor Cal CGA@ an R&D Agricultural Marketing Cooperative is up and running. To eliminate toxic agricultural produce for human consumption! The current cannabis is not safe! MWM
I live in downtown Seattle and daily watch lots of people on fentanyl and tranq. These synthetic drugs are cheap and deadly---we're experiencing the highest number of drug-related deaths in yrs due to fentanyl in particular. We in Seattle have been relatively tolerant; WA state was one of the first two states to legalize cannabis; in fact, Seattle has already decriminalized certain psychedelics for personal use. However, fentanyl and tranq are deadly poisons and need to be considered separately. Think north Philadelphia, for example. There was very little focus on fentanyl and tranq in this conversation; from a Seattle perspective, this conversation is old news.
The use of deadly poisons should not be criminalized, the people instead should go to rehab. We should also accuse the sellers of deadly poison with an attempt of murder.
@@jfangm If they lie about it being edible and non-lethal it definately is. Especially if the other persons mental judgment is clouded or impaired. Fraud is not ok even in libertarianism.
@@jfangm If people are sold a drug without the knowledge it has fentenayl in it the drug dealer absolutely is responsible. Unintentional overdoses are a huge problem. But the problem has progressed and some seek out fentenayl intentionally.
This is the worst recent impact of the drug war. Politicians are effectively blaming pain patients for street junkies, and taking out their frustrations with street junkies, on pain patients. Our system is run by psychopaths.
Anne, my husband just died from brain cancer and spent many days in agony. Even his oncologist did not want to Rx due to the thugs at the DEA scaring doctors.
Why must we need government programs to do these things? Make it legal, then most of these solutions will happen by people who actually care and want to help out. Government just corrupts everything because the money is forcefully taken and then given to cronies.
Because we cannot trust the states to do the right thing either. 20 states with legalization and decriminalization laws regarding cannabis, 16 states have a Blk population between 0.70% and 7%. And only 1 of those 20 states are in The South (VA). The South is an important reference point is 63% of ALL Blk Americans live in The South. The revenue from arrests on terry stops cannot be made up easily if those same people are not legally allowed to be arrested for smoking a joint on the sidewalk.
Why’s it always gotta be about race? Drugs don’t care if you’re black, white, yellow, brown, etc. I wish ppl would fuck off making everything about race. This is a human issue, not a black issue.
I’m commenting at the beginning of the episode so take that into context, I can tell you right now that there’s no way that any of you should be the experts on the legalization of drugs I’m 36 years old, been hooked on drugs for over a decade done them all I finally got clean and they told me I had cirrhosis of the liver do to hepatitis c I’m still on methadone and I have a lot of insight and I would like to get involved. If there’s anyway I can do that. Please let me know. I look forward to the episode I’m gonna see what you have to say.
The amount of harm removal has a price tag: that theory says, the government must protect production and purchase-at-cost to cripple clandestine income. Period. Long live the black market. Black budgets and empowered cartels.
Opium Cacao Leaves Fungi and the Queen of Mammalian Bealth is the mammalian Endo Cannabinol System. We are designed to utilize Indigenous Plant & Fungi based treatments to alleviate states of Dis Ease and maintaining functional capacity to continue to be a productive member of Society! I suggest the Book “ Chasing the Scream!” MWM
It's not the drugs talking but at a certain point you realize it's more immortal to take some poor opium farmers money than to believe the views of your favorite TV station.
Immoral* sry But but once they are legal, i knoe I'd dint watch the stream though, it's not the poor farmer but the big company. And then the poor farmer won't get his ass's taxed by the mafia and can grow his business.... I think that's better. (If it's about taxes if it's not idfk)
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Guest absolutely hates Michael Shellenberger, for no reason other than Shellenberger exposes the abject failure of the policies that the guest advocates. I support legalizing drugs, including medicinal plants like Ephedra. Not everyone just wants to numb out on downers, either. Some people might want to treat their allergies or get through a hard workout. But empirically, the specific policies the decidedly not libertarian guest advocates, like "harm reduction" which effectively bans abstinence counseling in SF, tax- funded shooting galleries, etc., are an abject failure wherever they're tried. Principles are important. But hating truth tellers like Shellenberger doesn't change empirical reality. "Principled" positions with no good answer to honest empirical questions, must be wrong. I don't even need to know how they're wrong, to know they're wrong and start looking for how to make them right.
So wait drugs dealers wouldn't be allowed to make legal businessess? Not to mention that drug dealing is often not long term viable in the first place.
Darn, ending prohibition is my lifelong mission and I missed the stream
I'm not sure you missed it. Another progressive who is fine with regulating, social engineering, taxing, etc. He just wants to do it HIS way, and thinks the problem is that we do it wrong.
@@barrydworak Yikes, that doesn’t sound good. And the stream title should be “abolish all drug laws” instead.
@@barrydworak thank you for the honestly. tired of bootlickers playing like they couldn't be fascist because they're left. lol.
decrim over legalize, every time.
or better yet, abolish the law. it's arbitrarily set and the rulers don't follow their own rules. as individuals, we're better off just using best judgement and suffering any consequences, good or bad.
don't want a dude to beat you senseless or kill? don't get his daughter drunk and then do PIV with her.
AND/OR
did a dude get your daughter drunk and then PIV her? git im.
it's that simple. worlds better than stompy toddlers in black mumus banging their little wooden hammers all over the place. :)
Keep it up, brother. I am with you.
keep it up with this
Many people assume that prescription drugs are safer than illicit drugs...they are not. All drugs have the potential to kill if they are misused. There is no reason why illicit drugs should remain illegal. Get drugs off the street out of the hands of gangs and shady characters. As adults we should be free to put whatever we want into our bodies and while people will make poor choices it should be their choice to make.
I agree. The only way prescription drugs are definitely safer than illicit drugs is that they are pure and unadulterated because they are regulated. Illicit drugs are often laced with things or aren’t completely pure. Otherwise you are completely correct.
This guy for president…or at least some position of nobility.
Abolish DEA !!
Cowardly thugs who will bring drugs to the party, but arrest you if you do. My brother use to have after hours parties at his pizzaria in Detroit. DEA used to party with him... and bring drugs that they confiscated.
Abolish the war on all drugs!
The war on unpatentable drugs*
Drug prohibition is causing much agony to cancer patients. My husband just died from brain cancer, in agony. His doctors were too scared by the DEA to give him adequate pain relief. Many Intractable pain patients are killing themselves after being ripped off the medication they were successfully stable on. We just lost another a week ago. Drug policy is shameful. The DEA is out of control. Going for the easy, cowardly, low hanging fruit solution of terrorizing compassionate docs.
Living in Portland, I can say his explanations of the issues as its "roll out" issue are oversimplifying and unhelpful. We have a cultural and structural issue here. Everyone votes for all the programs to help people without anyone thinking about it critically because we live in a mono-party state/city. Our politicians only need to throw money at the current thing to get elected. So we may have decriminalized and have all of the different programs this guy could ask for. But it's all done half-baked and none of the programs work together.
And guess what next year we are going to vote for more of it because it's not working. Just as the programs don't work together and move forward mindlessly our local people will do the same. Just vote for our civic duty to help each other to a government and feel morally superior while doing so.
Sorry watching the city I love circle the toilet has made me bitter.
@suspicionofdeceit Other than I wanted to rant a bit. The guy has the "When you have a hammer everything is a nail" mindset. Many of the examples he gives for his suggestions are based on countries with vastly different populations and cultures. Even the reason guys were pushing back on those points. What got me worked up was the hand-waving of the damage done to people when hard drugs are decriminalized without a solid plan and appropriate guardrails.
In the end, if the solution sounds easy it's probably broken and incomplete.
The reason why decriminalization isn’t working is because of many things there no legal system, there no setup to get people lives on track, no free housing, your allowed to use on the street in Portugal or Switzerland it’s not like that…
I have to agree. I also watched the city of Portland turn into a shithole and just moved out a few months ago. I used to be heavily in favor of legalizing drugs. Now.... I'm not so sure. You are right that Portland has tried every single program under the sun and nothing works. Things only get worse.
Decriminalization is NOT the same as Legalization and Regulation.
Oregon measure 110 is being reversed and certain drugs are being re-criminalized…entierly premature & stupid decision!.
Decrim in Oregon and in the USA, has been a radical step forward out from the awful War on Drugs! So of course there will be problems! but to say its a total failure prior to even a full year of it being in place is a premature stereotyping and foolish! We haven’t had a chance to even make impacts!
Portland isn’t suffering MORE overdoses now than any other big city where drug decrim exists!! So nope! You cant scapegoat drug overdose increases as resultant of the decrim Measure! Its a failed excuse.
Sadly thats exactly whats being stated by the bigoted stereotyping Oregon legislators who have re-criminalized the measure.
Great discussion, I'd love to see more content on this topic!
It is so important that we rethink the global drug strategy and I think legalization would be the optimum step to take.
Re-legalization since all drugs were once legal in the USA prior to 1914 Harrison Nacitics Act..
Legalization leads to safer drugs, more responsible populace, the ending of the primary reason non violent people are put in cages.
Vices Are Not Crimes - by Lysander Spooner
doesn’t mean they should be made readily available
@@fhfbjufhwflpkpldxeh6070
Why not? Anything you can do that does not directly violate the rights of others should be legal. If I want to buy a kilo of coke and a machine gun, I have the right to do so with no questions asked.
@@jfangm libertarians when they cant think about when individual vices coagulate into macro-societal degradation. do you have no ability to think into the future? mixing coke and a machine guns available for everyone isnt a good idea. i understand the legalizing of psychedelics and weed since these arent actually dangerous nor addictive and can be used in moderation. however many libertarians also want the FULL-ON legalization of heroin, meth, hard drugs, etc
lemme give you a history lesson: Chinese opiate dens massive societal use of hard drugs due to high availability WILL NOT create a good society
@@jfangm Well said
Funny how this video only has 5.5K views, despite having nearly 1M subscribers. The algorithm doesn’t want people to see this.
Nor Cal CGA@ an R&D Agricultural Marketing Cooperative is up and running. To eliminate toxic agricultural produce for human consumption!
The current cannabis is not safe! MWM
Great insightful discussion.
I have 2 words about your tag line: Thalidomide Fentanyl
There were some really cool people in the live chat 👉
Felt like one of those wholesome NA meetings 😅
I live in downtown Seattle and daily watch lots of people on fentanyl and tranq. These synthetic drugs are cheap and deadly---we're experiencing the highest number of drug-related deaths in yrs due to fentanyl in particular. We in Seattle have been relatively tolerant; WA state was one of the first two states to legalize cannabis; in fact, Seattle has already decriminalized certain psychedelics for personal use. However, fentanyl and tranq are deadly poisons and need to be considered separately. Think north Philadelphia, for example. There was very little focus on fentanyl and tranq in this conversation; from a Seattle perspective, this conversation is old news.
The use of deadly poisons should not be criminalized, the people instead should go to rehab. We should also accuse the sellers of deadly poison with an attempt of murder.
@@Tukeen
It's not the seller's fault the buyer put it in their body.
@@jfangm If they lie about it being edible and non-lethal it definately is. Especially if the other persons mental judgment is clouded or impaired.
Fraud is not ok even in libertarianism.
@@jfangm If people are sold a drug without the knowledge it has fentenayl in it the drug dealer absolutely is responsible. Unintentional overdoses are a huge problem. But the problem has progressed and some seek out fentenayl intentionally.
@@CIARUNSITE
Caveat Emptor
It's amazing how many non libertarians and pseudo libertarians watch and follow Reason.
Intractable Chronic Pain person here 😫 being tortured by Opioid hysteria !!!
This is the worst recent impact of the drug war.
Politicians are effectively blaming pain patients for street junkies, and taking out their frustrations with street junkies, on pain patients.
Our system is run by psychopaths.
Anne, my husband just died from brain cancer and spent many days in agony. Even his oncologist did not want to Rx due to the thugs at the DEA scaring doctors.
@@RhondaFavero-hw7wx ; 😭💔 THE BLATANT INHUMANITY IS BREATHTAKINGLY EVIL 👿 IM SO SORRY 😭💔 THIS HAS TO STOP!! I would sue whoever did this !!!
Why must we need government programs to do these things? Make it legal, then most of these solutions will happen by people who actually care and want to help out. Government just corrupts everything because the money is forcefully taken and then given to cronies.
Because we cannot trust the states to do the right thing either. 20 states with legalization and decriminalization laws regarding cannabis, 16 states have a Blk population between 0.70% and 7%. And only 1 of those 20 states are in The South (VA). The South is an important reference point is 63% of ALL Blk Americans live in The South. The revenue from arrests on terry stops cannot be made up easily if those same people are not legally allowed to be arrested for smoking a joint on the sidewalk.
Why’s it always gotta be about race? Drugs don’t care if you’re black, white, yellow, brown, etc. I wish ppl would fuck off making everything about race. This is a human issue, not a black issue.
I’m commenting at the beginning of the episode so take that into context, I can tell you right now that there’s no way that any of you should be the experts on the legalization of drugs I’m 36 years old, been hooked on drugs for over a decade done them all I finally got clean and they told me I had cirrhosis of the liver do to hepatitis c I’m still on methadone and I have a lot of insight and I would like to get involved. If there’s anyway I can do that. Please let me know. I look forward to the episode I’m gonna see what you have to say.
Since the ACA, homelessness by drug addicts and mentally ill people clearly got better.
The amount of harm removal has a price tag: that theory says, the government must protect production and purchase-at-cost to cripple clandestine income. Period. Long live the black market. Black budgets and empowered cartels.
Prohibition (war on drugs) is actually denying you sovereignty over your own body.
What was the documentary you cited?
Absolutely and MAMS@ is leading the way for 51 years MWM
Opium Cacao Leaves Fungi and the Queen of Mammalian Bealth is the mammalian Endo Cannabinol System. We are designed to utilize Indigenous Plant & Fungi based treatments to alleviate states of Dis Ease and maintaining functional capacity to continue to be a productive member of Society! I suggest the Book “ Chasing the Scream!” MWM
Fentanyl is not the Cartel’s Product. Why kill your market?Every person should carry Narcan!
Education is the key. The Oakland Diocese Educated students on these issues! MWM
Music is our weapon of change MWM
Tobacco in natural form is not a killer like Ozone from cars! MWM
"Optimal policy" is a hell of an oxymoron.
Great video - thanks for doing this.
Portugal is leading the Way with Spain also. The return to Indigenous Treatment Modalities
The Term is Indigenous Treatment Modalities! Education and Longitudinal Studies are underway. MWM
All the Data supports what you are discussing! The Agro Tech Live/Work Cycles of Life Communities is the Solution for Rehabilitation. MWM
It’s a war of attrition
Cannabis is a life-saver.
I commend you for your work! MWM
Yes we used the Aris Project! I was in the chemo voodoo Frey!
The NIH has the Data on Fungi and Cluster Head Aches for 20 years
The Concept of Constant misery is insanity of 12 steps to a life of misery. Not all require a chip to change their lives. Practical Use. MWM
It's not the drugs talking but at a certain point you realize it's more immortal to take some poor opium farmers money than to believe the views of your favorite TV station.
Immoral* sry
But but once they are legal, i knoe I'd dint watch the stream though, it's not the poor farmer but the big company. And then the poor farmer won't get his ass's taxed by the mafia and can grow his business.... I think that's better.
(If it's about taxes if it's not idfk)
California has decriminalized Fungi for PTSD
*Yeah, you guys should check your Biased Libertarian Blind Spot. And save this vid for when YOUR GREAT MOMENTS IN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!*
Let’s do a live stream
We shall gather this May to launch Nor Cal CGA@
90% use Natural Compounds with no adverse effects!
The California Legalization is still a cluster Phuch it is changing with Agro Tech MWM
What number are associated with Portugal becoming a third world economy
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The Sinsemilla Crop opens a New Industry that has never been bonded. It must come through the R&D Agriculture Marketing Cooperative Member Owned & Operated is the CDFA@ Laws! MWM
Is Zac’s nickname Johnnie?
The Taxation Revenue is the issue ! MWM
Legalize them put small tax on them. Sort of like control as abc stores.
Musicians Against Multiple Sclerosis@
MWM
ETOH is the number one killer.
100,000 out of 350,000,000 is no thing!
Decriminalizing the plants MWM
BC is going down this path MWM
Stop playing Whack a mole with Services and consolidate services from a single point of contact.
Raw cannabis is a super food!! A gift from god.gen:129. A tree of life.
Guest absolutely hates Michael Shellenberger, for no reason other than Shellenberger exposes the abject failure of the policies that the guest advocates.
I support legalizing drugs, including medicinal plants like Ephedra. Not everyone just wants to numb out on downers, either. Some people might want to treat their allergies or get through a hard workout.
But empirically, the specific policies the decidedly not libertarian guest advocates, like "harm reduction" which effectively bans abstinence counseling in SF, tax- funded shooting galleries, etc., are an abject failure wherever they're tried.
Principles are important. But hating truth tellers like Shellenberger doesn't change empirical reality.
"Principled" positions with no good answer to honest empirical questions, must be wrong. I don't even need to know how they're wrong, to know they're wrong and start looking for how to make them right.
Truth tellers LIKE Shellenberger,….
Laughable.
The Tech industry is heavily using Meth with out problems. Perhaps Twitter staff should try Cannabis! MWM
just opium and heroin.......................
David Goldman & Michael Kohen are partners of thyne . MWM
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Rum wars
No. Do not legalize drugs. Ive live through drug legalization. Its a terrible idea.
lmao nobody has lived through drug legalization because it's never actually happened
if you're referring to oregon, you really are a sucker for the mainstream media
5min in,, and can not watch because ethan keeps smacking his lips. Damn shame.
That's pretty sad if that's all it takes for you to stop watching. Maybe it's something else?
@@shawnbalch6046 Misophonia. It's like nails on a chalkboard.
This sounds like libertarianism gone too far.
I don't consider getting America back to the nation the Founder's wanted to be going "too far."
@@jfangmGetting America FORWARD to where it should be since we went backward in 1914 when started criminalizing drugs.
Death sentence to drug dealers.
So the pharma companies ?
Found the communist . Bonnie blue is actually a red commie heck she agrees with dictator xi
So murder?
So wait drugs dealers wouldn't be allowed to make legal businessess?
Not to mention that drug dealing is often not long term viable in the first place.
Why? Whose rights do they violate?
They need a Community. Agro Tech Live/ Work Cycles of Life Communities! MWM