🏴☠️So what if it IS piracy?
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VERY well said. When 'stealing' doesn't take any money away from the creators of the thing, it's a victimless crime. If the patent and license trolls holding on to their IP's want to offer us any sort of value for our money, we can vote with our wallets. If not, then I'll just help myself thankyouverymuch!
If buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theft.
That's a great line. With I had thought of it!
Spot on!
Well said. I like that.
@@TheIzzyNobreShow he didn't come up with it. that's the line many have been using when corporations (Nintendo) shuts a rom site down or makes a legal motion to have something or someone shut down.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic @lexlopez15
also, the compensation talk falls apart real quick when you consider the probability that the people who worked on a game are still with the same company 20 years later
Very good point! I imagine most of the people who worked on a 30 year old game are likely dead by now... or at the very least, no longer working, period.
@@TheIzzyNobreShow Oh come on! You know how many 20 somethings that were making games in the 90's? LOL! 50yo~? I think John Romero is doing quite well for the creator of Doom.
You know who didnt watch those piracy ads? The people who bootlegged the movie lol
Now that's irony right there.
Legitimate customers getting either guilted or a worse experience than the average pirate is a tale old as time lol
Yeah even if you bought an old game today, it's highly unlikely that the revenues would even make it back to the original creators / developers. They would have to re-release those games somehow for them to be financially credited from the sale.
We could say that about new releases too. Developers got paid already, and some studios get closed even if the game does well.
The easiest way to stop piracy is by giving a better service than pirates.
~Gabe Newell
I believe in the whole simplicity of why emulation exists. Preservation of commercially unavailable media. Third parties basically own the only commerce these games have and it does appear that letting individuals run this type of market is a huge detriment to anyone trying to go through the normal channels to play games on consoles. No one in their right mind is going to pay 400 dollars for Persona 2 on PS1. On top of this, there's an entire subset of pirates that are actually genuine supporters. Games with no demos are often pirated so you can play it as a demo then outright purchase the game after you've seen enough or just mosey on through it and never even touch it again legit copy or not, the latter is relative to the core concept of piracy: Never would've been a sale to begin with, therefore nothing was lost.
When this topic comes around, I always love to share my history with Chrono Trigger, one of my favorite games of all time.
I am from Europe, so we didn't get a release until the DS port and it wasn't even in my language!
I first came across it when I was a child, and my cousin let me play on his Dreamcast, which had SNES emulator+roms burnt on a CD. Many SNES games I experienced them there for the first time, one of those was Chrono Trigger, and I loved it even though I never got past the Millennial Fair. A few years later, during the DS era, a friend recommended it to me with a Spanish patch, mind you, my English was still pretty bare bones and I downloaded it and loved it. Fast forward a bit more, played many times and eventually I bought the US DS version on Amazon.
So if it wasn't for piracy and emulation, I wouldn't have experienced it all, maybe don't even bother to play it, so I'm very grateful for that.
The best twist though... You remember the music in that "You wouldn't steal a car" ad? They stole it and had to pay damages ro the rights owners after they were sued for using it illegally! 🤯
I always think of Lars from Metallica and the limewire days in regards to (music) piracy. Wild times
Well said, stealing means you're taking something away from someone, instead piracy is just making a copy of it, literally.
My bayzed 1000000% correct take is... Buying games second-hand is objectively and measurably WORSE than piracy. SO MANY of the people criticizing emulation/piracy, are themselves guilty of actively harming the industry in much worse ways. Unless you can ensure that the funds you give to that other person for the old game then turn around and increase that persons gaming budget that they actively spend on NEW games from official sources, then what happened there is that you took money meant for funding and supporting the gaming industry, and directed it into paying someone's rent or something else outside the industry... So unlike a pirate/emulator that doesn't add something to the industry, you instead directly REMOVED funding, it's clearly and obviously more damaging. Had you just emulated/pirated the game that you couldn't find officially for sale, you'd still have that amount in your gaming budget that you'd then be free to support new indies and new IPs and all that. To be clear, the idea of REMOVING funds from the industry ALSO applies to any person or group trying to SELL roms or anything like that so I don't support that, but also to users buying things that clearly don't support artists or move the industry in a good directions, such as micro-transactions that give certain companies monopoly-like power to buy up and control artists and force them to make overpriced nonsense, when there are SO MANY smaller and indie studios that desperately need funding and whether they get it or not genuinely makes the difference in the game existing or being as good as it can be, where again funding the megacorporation's micro-transactions usually only pushes them to do MORE AND MORE MTX making the games more and more limited and expensive over time.
The irony being, they actually stole the music that played in that piracy ad.
company: dont theft buy it
dude: ok so how do i buy
company: no u cant
An absense of piracy would have turned a lot of people that today are big spenders away from the gaming hobby entirely.
Ironically, the music for the anti-piracy advert was pirated
That's my favorite tidbit from that entire thing!
I do use emulation on my GBA since my brother gave me one finally and i love it to death but I would buy a game to this day if one of the games gets a proper remake or remaster since retro games nowadays are SUPER expensive sadly
Thanks man. I totally agree with you. We cant leave these games solely in the hands of companies like nintendo cause if it doesnt make them money it will just disappear.
OMFG! You had the same introduction to emulation as I did! :O Well, almost.
In my case I had a GameBoy and even N64 with Pokémon Stadium 1 but also a Pentium 90 machine with Windows 95.
A friend I had back then came up with those floppies and showed it to me on his PC.
I tried to play it on my machine but No$GMB would always just crash, so I didn't really get to play PKMN like that in a long time outside of our school's PC lab.
Anyhow, I think it's legit to pay the companies and devs for those old games too provided they allow us to play these in the first place.
Nowadays I just keep all my old games and dump them using adapters I bought online over the course of the past few years and I feel cool with it.
I put a line on downloading games which are currently on sale in retail stores but you know, as more and more games become digital and subscription only, the less I think it's right to justify those companies' actions.
Especially Nintendo's as of late.
I used to set that antipiracy PSA video clip as the background of the custom menu on some of the DVDs I used to burn back in the day. People really got a kick out of it. When I used DVD Shrink to shrink down a dual layer DVD to a single layer disc and cut out all of the copyright protection, it cut out all of those forced disclaimers and trailers. Living in rural Missouri at a time when almost nobody had a computer, much less knew how to burn a DVD, I was a pirate in high demand but have gotten too old and have much responsibility to risk selling that stuff now.
I do pay for older games when they are available and when I want to play them for more than 5 minutes. I bought the TMNT cowabunga collection. I have paid for old castlevania games. I pay for Nintendo online. But the vast majority of games just aren’t available commercially anymore.
Multiple studies from multiple different countries have shown piracy actually increases the reach of an item and increases sales. I have bought MANY a game that I pirated first or wasnt available to me in my region. I used to pirate games in college when I was broke as a demo, the bought the game if I actually liked it.
The most important thing to remember is this is a temporary issue. In 2080 the first NES Roms will be in the public domain.
Can't wait!
I bought several music albuns over time on google play music, guess what.. now is part of youtube music and I cant buy any more music so my digital music collection suddently stopped growing as I lost faith in digital content. I also bought several offline single player games from google play store on android and guess what.. Im offline in the middle of nowhere and some games refuse to open unless I search for updates? Same on my ipad pro apps.
And then I read about some playstation games and movies being deleted from peoples accounts and they defend themselves with "read page 20 something and you see you didnt buy the game but a licence that can expire anytime we want"...
So we dont own nothing thats digital ... anytime in future it can be taken away from us the costumers... so yea if buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theft.
I still wont pirate stuff but I rather have a physical copy of anything than digital
Agreed on all counts. I'm happy to acquire whatever I want, especially if it's old and the only people making money off it are scalpers. I do buy cartridges here and there for Gameboy when I feel the collecting bug, but $30 is the max amount I want to spend on any given cart and even then, I'm still going to acquire the ROM and put it on my Everdrive or my Miyoo Mini anyway.
I also spend a huge amount of money on games as a primarily PC gamer. My Steam account is now 20-years old and "worth" $11k, so I've certainly spent plenty of money on games in the last 20-years, something to the tune of $550 a year, in fact.
"Maybe some people don't want to emulate" is such a tiring line, particularly when it's in reference to the alternative they're in favor of (playing on nso, virtual console, etc..). I understand what they're actually trying to say, but words have meaning. Emulation is emulation, and emulation is a tool that Nintendo uses themselves to provide the very little legacy content they decide to bless their userbase with.
'I've never missed Super Mario World' is such a concept i've always been on board with. Like i'd hate to live in a world where I wasn't introduced to the world of emulation at the turn of the millennium and I'd have to go on about how "man, i really wish Nintendo would translate and release Mother 3" or "man, i haven't played fire emblem on the gamecube in like 15 years but i dont have it anymore, i cant afford to rebuy the old disc, and it's not sold on a modern platform". The concept of not being able to take those matters into my own hands by doing something about it would be terrifying to me as someone who wants to be able to play what the legacy content that i want when i want
I am very much into emulation and think of myself as Scrooge mcduck swimming around in all of my downloaded library from my childhood. With that said to me it’s a calculated risk. I think the strategy for companies is to create scarcity for old games and then rerelease them every 25 years or so as remastered versions to keep the cash flowing. Just a couple thoughts.
Developers are mostly paid the same as everyone else. Buying the game doesn’t put more money in their bank accounts, it’s more money to the publisher. The developer got paid while they were actively developing the game. So even for modern games, the developer got paid. It’s a complete non-argument when people try to bring it up.
We didn’t have enough money to own any game consoles when I was a kid. The only one I owned was a game and watch handheld. I’ll tell you how I got that one. I was 13 and I got circumcised (kind a late). All my relatives were coming with these gifts that I had zero interest as a kid; clothes, clothes, more clothes. I can look back and tell you that I had zero relatives who could have an idea what a 13 year old boy want (other than porn magazines). So I cried to my mom if she could get me game and watch handheld.
Speaking of mobile games that are gone forever: Gun Bros & iShoot 😢
perhaps a good analogy is DVD piracy. When DVD's were in their prime and all High-street shops were stocked full of them at £15-20 each, opting to buy from those illegal street sellers for £5 seemed wrong (although very tempting). But now after the rise of blu-ray, Digital HD, 4K, Digital 4K, they are literally being sold for a £pound in the used market, and not much more new. Would buying bootleg DVD's NOW be wrong??????? Its hard to imagine why !
Perhaps more accurately....bootleg DVDS of films from 40's 50's & 60's.
I always pick on Nintendo when it comes to this. In 1994, when Nintendo decided to drop support for the NES, to me, they don’t want it, SO if they no longer want to make anymore money with the NES, to me, that catalog became fair game (pun intended)
I also believe that devs of forgotten games would rather have someone play their game than to make their rare game unobtainable
I am all about preservation. Especially since, as you said, rights holders don't seem as interested. Capcom is pushing their Resident Evil remakes (which I love) but are letting the originals go by the wayside. And I will always buy remasters or rereleases to show support for the idea. Chrono Cross Remaster as well as the Pixel Remasters for Final Fantasy were purchases for me cause I want Square Enix to continue to rerelease their older games.
Emulation is kinda like try before you buy. Or even emulating the games your friends have that you don’t.
Trust me, my friends had Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2, Mat Hoffman’s Pro BMX 1, Crash Bandicoot and the Spyro The Dragon games I’ve always wanted to play for so long when I was a kid growing up but ended up buying the games for really cheap before they became expensive af and also emulating them without setting up any of my systems.
To me Emulators are to Gamers, the same as MP3's are to Audiophiles. The majority of people who use these resources are those who 1) no longer have the ability to access the original resource, or 2) would have NEVER actually bought the original in the first place, so in effect the company who is selling these is not loosing money because the people would have never bought the product in the first place. on the flip side those who truly loved something they discovered on emulator or MP3's would go out and actually buy the 'legitimate' version (if it were still available.) some to support the people who created it, and some to enjoy a higher quality of what they enjoyed.
However when it comes to the "Corporations" I no longer have any sympathy for them in this digital age. The cost to them is the cost they pay the people to make the games. they don't make physical copies anymore, and the fact that they say that when we buy a game we still don't own that game makes me no longer care if they get money for the game, so in effect once a game has been out for awhile then I feel they made their money back so screw them. It's not like the more money a company gets from selling the games goes to the actual people who created them. Devs are paid for the job and that's it, on to the next job.
Well said, Izzy. Emulation has allowed me to carry hundreds of super fun 8-bit and 16-bit games, comfortably, in my pocket. Nintendo's bulky Switch doesn't provide the level of comfort that I prefer, not just in my pocket, but also in my hands. My modded Vita gets the job done. Classic Mario, Kirby, Zelda, and Metroid feel right at home on Sony's abandoned handheld.
Exactly. And considering that the copyright owners are often poor stewards of the art they hold hostage... what were we supposed to do, just... abandon those games?
Not on my watch!
Yes, I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder
I'm an over-forty victim of fate
Arriving too late, arriving too late
Wtf? How is Izzy's emulation origin story the same as mine?
cause he's brazilian, almost everyone in Brazil had the same background at the time in regards to gaming
Great video Izzy, totally agree with everything!
wow man! you make me remember 2000 Lars Ulrich/Napster Fiasco
I look at it this way if a company actually gives me an affordable legal modern way to actually buy a game, and OWN IT with no string attached(a 2nd hand used copy of a game does not count in my eyes), & not a short/long term rental they can take way at any time, then I won't emulate it, but if not, if not I say preserve these games by any means possible!!!
Emulation is a right and courts have proven that companies do not have a foot to stand on when it comes to their effort against it.
Emulation is legal as long as the emulator doesn't have any copyrighted software or code
Preservation doesn't raise short term profits for the shareholders.
Exactly. That's the problem!
I'm from South Africa and many of these games are not available so the only way we can play is through roms
I would pay for authentic gba if Nintendo sold it. But even if I’m willing to pay, there isn’t a way to do so 🤷🏻♂️
TLDR , you have 2 boats. I boat has people who take from the other boat against the other boats will. I dont know how games have anything todo with this but I totally agree that attacking and stealing form other boats is wrong.
Only reason people whine about emulation is because they can afford to buy these inflated prices for these 20+ year old games. They want to be able to sell the games when they want and make great money.
The "I miss this game so much, I hope they remake/remaster it" is pretty pathetic. If you don't play it, it's because you don't want to most of the times, and I say "most of the time" because some consoles like PS3 and Xbox 360 don't emulate that well unless you have a beast of a PC, and yet, those consoles are pretty cheap today.
Thanks for taking down your TEMU vid... Really! I was extremely saddened that one of my fav youtubers would go down such a path.
My bad on that one. I'll do better research next time. Disappointing you guys isn't worth it!
Yeah try playing original versions of games that use the glide api. Good luck getting that voodoo video card buddy. Also true for any rare console.
You don't even have to pirate to emulate
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Selling roms that you don't own any licensing its probably where is at. Also, of the thousands roms that i have in my Batocera PC....i'm only able to play just a handful ....Lol there are way too many games and so little time to try them all ! I guess we are just gaming gluttons !
thanks to roms i got into franchises and bought them, persona 3 portable was first persona game i played i bought the ones i can buy that suports atlus
i think there is a fine line or "flaw" in your stance for piracy... yes those old games have developers that moved on and won't get a penny from those games regardless BUT the publishers that own the right to said games still feel they should be compensated if any 1 person has an interest in playing those games...
that is why Nintendo and the rest have their subscription services with classic titles...granted not every game you used to like will be on there but that is where the fine line is....the way they see it, if enough people have an interest for a particular game and it is requested enough then these publishers with those services may look into adding said game to their service or mak it available to buy digitally... so in essence, when pirating these games you're removing the incentive for these publishers to make certain games available by legal means....
it's like that movie field of dreams...."if you build it, they will come."....the downside is that they take their sweet time building it... (that being a viable storefront that has all the games you want).... basically, what I'm saying is that if Nintendo actually provided their entire past library of games from nes to wii u on the switch for a low monthly fee. than a lot less people would be inclined to go out and pirate those games.
>the publishers that own the right to said games still feel they should be compensated if any 1 person has an interest in playing those games...
And I say that's bull. They didn't create the art. They just signed paychecks. I'm not interested in making sure the owners of the means of production keep making money at the expense of the middle class.
I feel no moral obligation towards multibillion dollar companies🤷♂️
@TheIzzyNobreShow by your logic, then it's OK for people to steal cable because outlets like HBO, showtime, apple, netflix, etc. didn't create the art they just signed the paychecks to produce said art....
like I said, I partially agree with you. If it's old and those developers got paid, then nobody should care if people obtain those games by other means but let's not pretend it is actually ok just because some corporations stands to lose a few dollars in the process. If enough people do it, then those few dollars can become millions of dollars lost. Can they afford it? Probably, but that doesn't make it ok...at least not in the law's eyes.
@TheIzzyNobreShow not sure why my other reply got deleted, but I basically said that by that logic, then movie, TV, and music studios shouldn't be compensated for providing you with something to watch. They didn't create the art. They just signed the checks for it.
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Let's be real... We're talking about Nintendo. They're the only ass clowns still running around trying to put a stop to roms and emulators. Hell my cousin is NOW getting into them. The reality is, I'm 99% sure Nintendo is not going to bring every game to their online switch platform. So why get bent out of shape if I play roms. It's not like they are losing money at this point and time.
Pra mim a pirataria é meio que um "teste gratis" se eu gostar eu compro(exemplo:minecraft) se nao eu apago do meu pc e finjo que nunca vi(exemplo: st anger do metallicakkk)
I think emulation is piracy. That being said, I don't care
LOL! Great I.T. Crowd vid in there lol! You wouldn't want someone to take a shit in your hat, would you!?
The IT Crowd - Series 2 - Episode 3: Piracy warning ruclips.net/video/ALZZx1xmAzg/видео.htmlsi=JJ4-7R-jjMHbYV8i
Great vid, bud.
Let’s say that I agree and disagree with you 😂
First
Yeah you’re trying to convince yourself stealing is ok….😂
Stealing from who? From the poor multi billion company that dont care to sell those games anymore?
I'm saying it's not stealing.
@@TheIzzyNobreShow yeah your definition of because you don’t have money to afford it you should take it is the definition of theft.
Even in a world where "piracy" and "stealing" were the same word with the same meaning (they don't/they're not, but sure I'll play devil's advocate) with zero reason for the other word to exist, what you seem to personally equate here to stealing is...yeah, it's exactly okay. That's kind of the point.
@@r9delta104 stealing is never ok, it’s a crime, it’s a sin more over. Not going to justify sin.