The Era of Shaming and Guilting Audiences for HATING Movies
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Just because somebody workedhard does not obligate you to like it. Just because somebody worked hard does not make the end product inherently enjoyable or well-made.
yeah, I'd expect someone to be polite about it... but politely telling someone you dislike their work is a good thing.
Everyone and their dog works hard
"Anyone who is both stupid and hardworking; he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always only cause damage."
- Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
@@usernamealreadytaken9330 The irony of his comment is way too funny if you know the man. And the fact you are posting it unironically is even more funny.
This. I’ve worked hard on animation projects that end up like complete garbage and others that end up looking amazing. You just gotta take the criticism in stride and use it to improve the next project.
“We shouldn’t negatively critique things cause people worked very hard”
Then how do they expect to see improvement in anything.😂
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Preach, brother
the person who said that definitely needs to read 12 rules of life by Jordan Peterson. He/she needs some help pulling together his/her life
there is a painter from Austria that worked really hard should we not judge him?
They don't want to change so they can have a place in the world they can belong, they want the world to change so it can have a place to belong with them.
The phrase is "Toxic positivity". There are too many people who use "kindness" and "empathy" as stand-ins for pandering and enabling. They're good people who've been abused and manipulated by bullies into thinking they're bad people if they don't support everything 100%.
Nah. Chris wants to make a hollywood movie, he doesn't want to make enemies out of the bigwigs. There's no positivity here, just ambition.
That is true but let's not forget there are others that has gone too far with their criticism is one thing if you don't like the product but if you start insulting the person that make the product that's crossing the line there has there has been too many cases where individuals who are not satisfied with the product have crossed that line by saying the product was so bad that the person responsible for it should die or received death threats
@@animezilla4486 Correct. The very meaning of play the ball and not the person. "To object to someone's argument by attacking the argument itself instead of them or a facet of their personality"
The only exception to said is (of course) when the person pushing the product has been deceptive, immoral, or fraudulent.
I have always said: Those people who go on American Idol or other talent shows, and then go and sing... and sound like a screaming bobcat on drugs. Then they get told they suck, and get humiliated on national television, and then run away crying and screaming in absolute shock?
I've always said "Those are people who don't have real friends. Because a real friend would have told them 'you suck at singing' before they went out and really humiliated themselves."
@@elijahherstal776 There's so much of that in the writing and reading community. Too many people who think leaving bad reviews is toxic and that if something isn't good, silence should be the default. And you're left wondering "How the hell are people supposed to learn and get better if all they're surrounded by are kiss-arses?"
Life is too short and too expensive for me to be walking on eggshells if you put out a bad product.
Amen
but... This is why Stuckman stopped doing negative reviews. He wanted to talk about stuff her was excited about, and stop giving time to stuff he hated.
@@sleepinggorilla Then his position as a reviewer is worthless if the only time you come out of the wood work is to praise something.
@@almalone3282 And praise is inherently bad?
@thejaded If all you do is praise, then it's meaningless.
A decent critic needs to do both
This is why movies are becoming so bad. You can’t criticize them without being insulted or blamed about you not liking the movie. Criticism is what allows others to improve or just change things the audience doesn’t like. But apparently Hollywood (and even shows) don’t seem to understand.
They think manipulating user ratings and aggregation sites will hide the problems but it just leads to them ignoring valid critiques
and one word of praise for genuinely great films and your called a right wing extremist, I'm right wing but the only extremes I exert is when I'm ordering dinner😆
... and they absolutely ARE getting participation trophies... and failing UPWARDS.
You seem to be missing the point that, "criticism" is also used as a cover if not a disguise to lash out toxic and negative comments towards someone who would be otherwise very talented since you can't really judge something by basing your opinion from someone else who might be biased anyway.
This is why the professionals are separate from so called "critics" when most of their history is nothing but bashing any form of media because they find it fun to do so in the first place as opposed to appreciating what was made in the first place.
You would know this if you watched the movie Ratatouille, do better.
@@xDEADLOCKEDx2468 you sound like a liberal
And this is why I have been stating that participation trophies were ridiculous and damaging.
Honestly... participation trophies aren't inherently bad. Sometimes being there to submit something for judging is worthy of recognition. The catch is that it needs to be clear that you're not the "winner" just because you showed up.
Which sadly was against the whole point of them during the era of "you cant fail a child because it damages their developing ego." Yes their ego is developing and learning to cope with failure is a very importent part of that.
@@Senkoau Also teaching children the meaning of failure is important to teach them how to succeed.
I always threw mine away when no one was looking as a kid lol
I do remember getting a couple of participation trophies as a kid, but they were much smaller than the ones that went to 1st through 3rd places. The important part is that it was clear I didn’t reach the top area.
Somehow, this "don't be negative" mentality only applies to popular entertainment. I often use the restaurant analogy myself. No customer would tolerate garbage food and poor service.
Imagine the chef explaining: "I have worked so hard, and poured my heart and soul into this dish to make it taste like authentic dog poop, but still edible!"
Everybody would think the chef is insane and probably needs medical help.
When the audience is shamed/guilt-tripped into staying silent about criticism, there's no incentive for the writers to improve.
Of course not. Because what makes all the stuff suck is their pushing of agendas. So, they'll call you meanie when you say that a woman of barely 100lbs can't really beat up all those men, alone. "A Sexist Would Say." 🤣
Imagine growing up and being told taking criticism on the chin helps you grow and is apart of adult hood.
Only for the world around you by the time you're 25 suddenly reverses and can't HANDLE criticism anymore?
As Ice Cube once said, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself."
Check yourself before you Shrek yourself.
I've long said that the difference between art and entertainment is that art is what the creator wants to express while entertainment is what the audience wants to experience.
In college for graphic design, one of the most important things one lecturer taught us was how to make (and take) a critique. Because everyone took part in crit sessions, we had everything from the petty, the funny, the brutal, the encouraging, the constructive... everything you could imagine from the very people who knew exactly how hard you worked. It gave me the tools to handle it when random clients would straight up tell me my work was shit😂
I think Hollywood is creating people without those tools and it's hurting the industry as a whole. They now go into the industry feeling entitled to your praise and patronage, taking every critique as a personal attack
Nepotism truly bypasses all the hard work it takes to get to the “but muh hard film work” part, and it’s showing in big films lately
I also got a degree at graphic design. And yeah, my teachers weren’t easy on anybody. In fact, one student even said” I think you’re being a little harsh. After all, isn’t this supposed to be art?” and the teacher said,” no. This is not art. It’s a product.”
What so many people this generation seem to not realize is that if you put out a public product, then it's free game for the public to criticize it if it's bad.
Exactly correct. The transaction isn't one way.
Someone who worked hard on something and is truly passionate about it, would want criticism. Someone who is passionate about something would want to improve their skills and that isn't something one can do unless they find out where they can improve. That's what criticism is for, it's to tell the one being criticized where they made mistakes, where they can improve.
"But boss, I worked really hard today!"
"You loaded a million dollars of product on the wrong truck!"
Remember folks, you only get acknowledged for your hard work if you did it right.
Yes that's true but other times when you do screw up you can criticize that but at the same time you don't have to be a jerk about it
To be fair, this particular scenario could probably be solved by switching the trucks...but your point is still valid.
The problem here being that narrative fiction has no right and wrong truck...
There is no objectively correct method that guarantees the "right" outcome..
Constructive criticism is good.
Agreed
That's right 👍
I worked so hard to keep my infidelity from my wife. How dare you expose me for it!
You're a fennec Fox now
*BRILLIANT!*
😅
I thought she was just some cute fantasy pokémon like creature
Nothing is safe from criticism
Not even this comment. Where's the punctuation? 😂
@@coryy9745 Damn. You ain't had to do homie like that. 😆
@@treyrex5987he had it coming also you don't even know the person how can he be your homie
@@THEMADZGaming I was being sarcastic and silly.
EXCELLENT WORK. AITEORI ALWAYS INSULTING THE AUDIENCES AND ATTACKING THE WHITE PEOPLE.
12:22 Absolutely agree with this point. In nature if you don't adapt, you die, no warning. The criticism are a kindness, if the audience just kept quiet you'd die a slow death not knowing why.
If I can't trust your criticism, then your praises mean nothing.
I've seen a baffling rise of blind support for media and hostility towards criticism within my circles. It's hard to believe all of them are shills and bots; there just seems to be a breed of character that cannot stand negative attention towards things they personally like.
The Mario movie is an example on this when movie critics criticize the movie audience treating them like trash because they feel like the critics are just being haters
I had a very similar experience in art college. I was designing an album cover and spent weeks on it, only for the teacher to rip into it. I went back and took everything he said to heart. I ended up making an A+ and learning techniques that I still use to this day. Thanks for sharing that!
We really are in a bizarre era to give a simple and sincere opinion about anything, be it positive and/or negative. I don't know what goes on in people's heads that makes it so difficult (almost impossible) to respect and know how to deal with a contrary opinion in a normal and rational way.
I certainly felt no shame hating the newest "star wars" projects
And you honestly shouldn't. Those were average at best.
Oh but Stuckmann loves those. Its funny because he built a whole career bashing Lucas for the prequels (but he thinks the sequels are better somehow). Now I wonder if he'll ever apologize for those videos, because if he doesn't he's a massive hypocrite haha
@@FrostbiteDigital he just has poor taste.
The thing I dislike about Stuckman's video is that it feels slimey. He basically said nothing of value, and sounded like he was apologising to Hollywood to try and signal to producers that he's safe to work with.
It's gross.
Yeah, I unsubscribed a while ago.
Yeah that was my take on it. He was being a sellout and he was trying to make it sound cool. I wasn’t buying it for a second.
Yoda: balls, he has none…
I caught that YEARS ago also he started talking about his personal life and I didn't subscribe for that, no disrespect. His attempt at being positive about movies didn't feel good and I could tell he was lying.
I don't think he liked Madame Web, and if that's the case he just shouldn't have done a critique instead of spending the whole video apologizing and making excuses.
I really enjoy his older stuff when he did true critiques.
Toxic positivity is an Actual REAL ISSUE nowadays..
This comes up a lot in teaching, as a teacher I subscribe to the feeling that you should praise the effort, find something that does work but guide the improvements. Nothing is ever perfect and should be critiqued equally.
Sounds to me like the difference between criticism and constructive criticism. The former is "you did bad, look at this garbage." The latter is "you did well on the colour composition but the font doesn't work well see how it actually clashes with the softer curves of the images due to its sharp, angular shape. Perhaps choose something like cursive." However to Hollywood a fifteen paragraph breakdown of what they did well and badly is instantly dismissed as toxic, racist fan hate.
"You're not allowed to speak negatively about something someone worked hard on"
Oh, in that case, we might as well say the person/people who assault and/or rob you, they're allowed to get away with it because they worked hard to do that to you. Are these people for real?!?!
Not just movie audiences, entire nerd community is under attack.
That is true but sometimes the way how they respond and fight back also doesn't help
@@animezilla4486When the nerd community has been bullied a lot even before all this, you can't exactly blame us
Honestly, I find it very annoying that people are so butt hurt by other people's opinions. I just get so fed up with people acting so sensitive to something so minuscule. For fuck's sake people, let people be entitled to their own opinions!!!
So, you're saying that some people's opinions make you butt hurt?
I regret going to see Ghostbusters 2016, still want my money back
That movie made me hate Ghostbusters now
The best thing about it was the quality of the props, that's it.
WHY xD did you EVEN xD
Let the idiots watch it first then decide if you still want it , that's my rule on everything i have patience for any game movie or series. x)
I've still never watched it and I still want my money back.
There was a Ghostbusters film in 2016? Thought that was a myth.
Every high budget movie requires hard work. That's why a film has no excuse to fail. When it does the movies made need to be done better in the future.
If anything it’s the opposite. A high budget film cannot afford to fail due to the massive financial costs associated with its production. This causes a lot of the higher ups to interfere with the creative process since they fear the ramifications of its failure coming down on their heads. Their interference can get to the point that the end product becomes a bland, lifeless mess that attempts to appeal to the broadest market possible yet appeases no one.
@@AmericanAdvancement yeah the “Trying to appeal to everyone that it ends up appealing to no one” shtick
I'm an artist but i get mad when nobody critiques my art because i want to improve upon my art skills so I'll take any criticism
I stopped caring about Chris Stuckman's opinion when he said in his review for Greyhound that the Battle of the Atlantic, the risks taken to defend the supply convoys going to England, and the THOUSANDS of men who were lost to help supply the Brits in WW2 didn't deserve to have their story told.
Blame Hollywood on this film. Honestly, they would make anything into a movie regardless of the historical significance.
I never liked him
That's funny. I've been watching Chris Stuckman's videos for years and I can't remember him ever saying or being the kind of person who would ever say anything like that.
Can you refer me to the specific video where he supposedly said this?
@@Lazarus1095 It was in his review of Greyhound.
What does this mean
I believe in honest, constructive criticism - even if you ultimately *like* the final product, you need to acknowledge the flaws in the work: failure to do so sets the stage for mediocrity in the arts.
I regret watching Star Trek Discovery and Rings of power
Rings of Power was an insult to Tolkien's legacy
We have a real life example of someone not taking the criticism to heart. The submarine incident. If he just understand, the whole tragedy could have been avoided
It’s a shame listening to criticism could have saved those lives
@@simoncobian2816 indeed.
There were so many chances and correct critiques that would have stopped that incident from go. I hope professionals do a case study of that incident.
That submarine was done in the moment it was built. Carbon fiber is great when it’s under tension like an airplane’s wing when it flexes but cracks and splinters when compressed. It’s no coincidence that the only surviving pieces of the vessel were the metal end caps while everything else was destroyed. Any engineer worth their salt would have told the CEO that it was a bad idea.
Honesty is key. If there's an issue, it should be rightfully called out on. It's all about how you do it is the main thing.
Ridley Scott is becoming the biggest baby in regard to this. His movie the last duel in my opinion was good but apparently a lot of people didn't like it and it didn't make money at all. His response to this was to throw a fit over audiences lack of interest in his movie. Then the napoleon movie was universally said to be bad and damn near insulting to napoleon. His response to that was another fit and insulting the audience.
The problem is this guy was so used to people praising the hell out of his movies especially early films like alien but now his newer movies are not well received he just couldn't take the criticism
@@animezilla4486 Bullshit. Both Alien and Blade Runner, now considered a masterpiece, were met with very lukewarm reviews. And so were many other movies from Scott at that time. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking and could've easily looked this up by visiting the Wiki page of said movies.
People tried to attack me cause I said the Fallout show had bad writing. They're foaming from the mouth and everything.
Well Fallout is an interesting and popular game. So seeing something like it translates into live action series is important given the spread of the franchise beyond its video game origins.
@@M567dkIMO live action adaptations are consistently overrated, unnecessary garbage.
@M567dk Yeah, unfortunately, they did it in the most genric Marvel writing. There are so many times I just felt like it would have been better being called borderlands. When you bring up the plot holes and character inconsistency, people get so mad and say it's popular, so you can't talk about it. Calling me a gatekeeper as they are being toxic defenders to bad writing.
@@Jaboblu Gatekeep with pride, brother. Normies ruin everything they infest.
Only a matter of time until the next popular thing comes out and they’ll all move on to that anyway. Then after a year or two inevitably the “Fallout TV show wasn’t as good as you remember and HERES WHY” videos will start popping up lmao.
My biggest problem with the show is how it just dumpsters the NCR for no reason
It’s simple If something sucks I’m gonna say it sucks if something good I’m gonna say it’s good but also at the same time if you love something but most people hate it don’t be ashamed of loving it but if you hate something but most people love it don’t attack the person and respect people opinions.
Look, if everyone is bringing a dish to Thanksgiving dinner and your aunt who is an accountant tried very hard to make homemade mashed potatoes and they end up too peppery and not mashed enough - that's when you refrain from harsh criticism. They have no culinary aspirations, they are just trying to deliver something better than the instant potatoes they make at home. If your aunt who is a chef does the same thing, you do not extend the same courtesy because this is what they do for a living. There's a difference. If you want to make movies, and you do it professionally (or thats your career goal) then your work is fair game.
Interesting analogy. Mashed potatoes are about the most bland and boring food there is. Which kind of describes modern movies - made strictly according to formula and pretty interchangeable. Deviating from that formula is how you get interesting. Sure, deviate from the formula too much, and it's not mashed potatoes any more. And of course: Deviating from a formula you know works, can result in something that doesn't work. But deviating from the formula is where creativity lives, and taking the risk of failure, is how we get things that are innovative and interesting.
@@MrArantonWish i could share a serving of my homemade mashed potatoes with you, lol! I'm not good at much, but my cooking is pretty on-point and my mashed potatoes are a fam favorite 😂
Great comment, though - very salient. 😊
This is why there’s like no movies I’m looking forward to these days 😭
You can just tell when something is gonna suck just by looking at it.
I'm very tentative about the new Alien and Planet of the Apes movies. The trailers look great, but I'm nervous about getting my hopes up.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 Remember when that wasn't a thing? 20 years ago we could go to the Cinema and everything on was something worth watching. Instead of 20 things being out and maybe one being worth it but most likely not.
Be great if these modern day movie directors would actually care about their audiences again. Why all of a sudden almost every writer is just bad at their job.
@@iambilly1134 if i watch a promo video or an interview and 90% of it is all about diversity/inclusion i know its going to be a shit product.... star wars acolyte is riddled with that stuff so its probably going to suck
I mean there's the wild robot
What makes it worse is that many fans accept this mindset of not criticizing movies. Case in point: I said on Dangerville that if Godzilla killed Tiamat, then the movie should have at least showed photos of towns Taimat destroyed and gave us some throwaway lines and a "fan" basically said that I was too harsh and that Legendary couldn’t afford that.
Can’t you just show stills, like how they used to do?
@@rockmangurlx4973 I'd be happy with that. But again, we didn't even get that either.
Never regretted watching Spiderman in theaters cause it was a good movie. Regretted watching Frozen.
Let it go, Let it GOOOOOOO.
@@Genesizs*magically builds entire castle, clothes and animals out of unexplained power*
Never understood why ppl loved frozen so much. Tangled was much better
People need to learn that art is subjective. I worked at a video store all through high school, and one of the best parts about it was critiquing with coworkers and customers! And it's not about picking out the flaws in good movies, I can also find good qualities in "bad" movies too, some of my favorite films are b- or c-movies, like Plan 9 from Outer Space or pretty much anything by Roger Corman.
Got the same mindset! One of my favorite childhood movies is Sharktopus. No joke. That movie is terrible no doubt but I still love it! 😂
@treyrex5987 oh I'm a huge fan of the bad animal movie genre. The Birdemics, the Sharknados, and especially old ones like Night of the Lepus and Squirm (one of Rick Baker's early makeup jobs). I like to see how they cobbled together the practical effects; I'm pretty sure the giant spider in Giant Spider Invasion was a Volkswagen covered in black crepe paper and black pvc pipes.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 I haven't actually seen most of those you mentioned. Might have to give them a watch soon.
You can’t criticize something because someone worked really hard on it is such infantile participation trophy logic.
How does one improve without criticism?
If that's someone's logic " they worked hard, dont give negative criticism " , they must produce constant garbage at work.
I think part of the problem is that people don't have film literacy. When I critique a movie, i go down the full list from lighting and sets to acting and cinematography, it's not a black and white discussion (unless if the movie is black and white lol)
This is why we are getting bad movies & bad shows lately because they think criticism is toxic when it’s very helpful to make much better movies & shows!
Maybe that's it. They grew to hate all of their teachers because the teachers could criticise them and they couldn't pretend that it doesn't exist or censor their teachers criticisms. So when they left their studies these same people went to make the movies we watch today only with the ability to block any nay sayers. The people they need the most. And surround themselves with yes people.
What I truly miss? Is honestly going to the theatres. I just don't anymore. I have to look up reviews to something before seeing it. 10-20 years ago this never had to be done. We didn't need to excuse movies. When Iron man 1 came out I went to watch it and enjoyed every single moment. LOTR original Disney stuff when they made good movies. There didn't need to be this whole Madame web thing where "well, I can't say anything bad because movie making is "hard"". I miss that.
It is quite possible, they may have also gotten a lot of criticism from others in their lives about other things and that made them hostile towards criticism.
If that’s the case then they should seek some help or find another career if they just can’t handle the pressure, that’s what I would do.
What it is is a big push to keep audiences compliant, docile, and free to be influenced.
If Madame Webb was written by AI, it just shows how much the human mind is needed when it comes to creativity in our society that is mind-blowing.
0:06 like the ears 👍🏾
She, could hear the feathers falling in cina with those ears
*She can hear the sound of Solid Snake's buttcheeks clapping with those ears*
*I'd like to touch em*
*I want to touch the ears*
"I want to touch it"
As an artist, criticism will ALWAYS be important.
Love it or hate it, in the end it's up to you to better your abilities to what you who you want your work to appeal to. As well as for yourself.
That's just how it is.
I hate that type of thinking and its even worse in gaming considering the price tag especially with triple a games. Also id say its safe to say alot of people who would say things like this wouldnt hesitate to criticize things they dont like but just dont want things they do like critiqued
Podcast style nice loving it
If given the option to either buy groceries or go to the movies . . . Let me state on record that I love food more than I like Hollywood.
I agree with everything you said. The people complaining are likely to be people who would have handed over their hard earned cash for e.g. a seat to watch a movie. And it can be particularly jarring if you were actually looking forward to something and a lame ass effort is made. Successful businesses listen to their customers. The people complaining about the complainers are not thinking enough about the process, and likely have no interest in quality, or the industry. And in all seriousness, it's pompous and virtue signaling of anyone to make such a statement.
Went to college and took drawing classes and very early on the teachers had us peer review and critiqued each other. We had everything against a wall and shared what worked, didn't work, what we liked or disliked about the finished pieces. It's pretty humbling, but hearing reviews is part of the process of improving and growing.
Unfortunately a lot of folks don't understand that that's normal and valuable for creators.
I wish my teachers cared that much, honestly.
I wanted to be a screenwriter back in the early 2000s. I put my best foot forward and wrote about a dozen screenplays from 2001-2007.
Every time I put them out there, they got picked apart. It was heart wrenching, but I kept trying, putting all the effort I could into them... but... in the end, it was all in vain.
I ended up working in the video game industry as an environment designer. Making textures, models, maps, etc. AND I FLOURISHED THERE.
I have gone back and read my old screenplays... and I laugh at them. I was shit at writing and the critics were right. I'm just not a writer. I have great ideas, but I suck at structure, especially when I feel like I am under a time crunch, self-imposed or otherwise.
I've taken courses in writing and gotten better, but I'm not about to start a new career in screenwriting at my age. I do better at writing technical documentation and reports.
All of those critics showed me my faults and made me try to get better, realize my own limitations, and ultimately find other ways to be creative that I'm actually good at. So, I appreciate the brutal honesty now, even if it hurt to hear at the time.
I've tried my hand at writing short stories once upon a time, and really wanted criticism. because I wanted to get better at it.
Well said Alteori 👏👏👏👏
We now currently live in a dystopia where the entire entertainment industry is automatically treated as "good" regardless of the quality of the product and we audiences are obligated to automatically consume them and like it under the threat that we'll be criminalized as "toxic bigots", unlike the good old days where the entertainment industry is willing to improve their craft by us audiences' constructive feedback 😱😱😱😱 It's no wonder why movies, TV shows and games from 2020s onwards suck so badly now 🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂👎👎👎👎👎👎
This is why I respect how CD Project Red handled Cyberpunk 2077. When the game was widely criticized for glitchiness and bad UI, instead of whining about how hard they worked(and I'm sure they did), they spent another 3 years fixing most of the problems, and creating one of the best DLCs I've ever seen for any game ever.
I used to watch Stuckmann every so often back in the day. I stopped the moment he decided to no longer do negative reviews of films because I lost all respect for his craft at that point. He wants so desperately to be a part of the Hollywood, or at the very least the indie film scene, that he doesn't want to insult people who could potentially be beneficial to his film making career aspirations. The problem with this as a film reviewer online is that nobody can take your opinions seriously anymore. How can anyone know whether or not you're ignoring or obfuscating massive flaws because you still need film review content for your channel? I'm fully supportive of his desire to make movies. I also hope he gets really good at it and is massively successful as a filmmaker winning every Oscar he's nominated for. However, I will constantly criticize him moving forward as being just another bootlicker for the industry because that is how he decided to structure his film reviews.
"I worked hard on this!" didn't work when my own dear mother served us green beans for dinner or performed some unholy experiment on my favorite foods, and it doesn't work when a multi-billion dollar company says it.
I swear, it all stems from soft parenting and handing out participation trophies to kids so they wouldn't cry their little eyes out when their team lost. Thanks a lot Oprah, you and those like you helped create the weak men in our good times!
there was a dude in germany a few decades back who worked REALLY hard towards his goal, should we not criticize his actions?
Agreed, but as you conveyed in the video the keyword here is "constructive" criticism, with both your school example, and the other content creator going to show there is a vast difference between actually constructive criticism that adds to the conversation around a thing versus destructive criticism which adds nothing is usually disingenuous an uninformed due to the one giving the destructive criticism providing only a baseless rant with no sign of engagement or comprehension of the thing being critiqued.
Those that only give destructive criticism, haven't watched the movie twice to generate an earnest opinion. They've played the first minutes of the game to pump out a quick article of how 'frustrating' a game is because they failed the tutorial. I feel individuals like that are where the argument holds some validity.
Your teacher didn't call YOU garbage personally, BECAUSE of your potential, and hard work you put in. He saw you, and respected you because he cared. People care, so when the "criticism" is blatant ad hominen, it isn't played up for comedic effect or entertainment, and is basically a baseless hit piece with little to nothing to do with the thing being critiqued, I tend to not only expect the 'think of the people' argument but I completely agree with it.
People who work hard making entertainment that neither inspires nor entertains make demands of the audience, then you’ve crossed the line between art and propaganda.
Honesty is usually the best policy
Just started listening and I've already got my blood pressure up. Just because people worked hard on something does not mean they are immune from criticism. In fact, if they worked hard on it and were passionate, genuine criticism should be welcomed and encouraged. They are devoted to the thing and they want it appreciated and they want it to be the best it can be. They care about it.
I remember art classes I did in college. There were those that welcomed feedback and those who argued with all feedback (even from the instructor). Those who welcomed feedback would ask questions, clarify, explain, push back a little, but they wanted to know why it didn't work and how it could be even better. Those who argued just wanted to do their thing and have people like it. Some went on to get better and become professionals. Some never got better and usually gave up on it.
It seems the only people who consider criticism to be cruel or unnecessary are the ones who can not handle being criticized, so they attempt to guilt other people when criticism is a crucial part of life.
A deep and well-explained video.
I recently had back and forth with a content creator about this sort of issue in which a lot of their response was WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON. They often ask for feedback but unless it's 100% positive, they flip out. I like to try and explain my comments and even though so many were genuinely positive week after week, they saw a tiny part of criticism and had a meltdown. The recent ideology mollycoddles people in all walks of life and professions, and it all starts at school. You get a medal just for turning up, they are not encouraged to excel more than their contemporaries or do better than they did yesterday. Genuine effort needs to be acknowledged but unless the goal is excellence. We had a little back and forth on our opinions on Predator 2, but it's all good.
I think you have covered this but I had a look on your videos and didn't see it clearly titled. One the off chance I would love to hear you quantify subjectivity vs objectivity. It has an important part to play in what you've just covered.
Wow that was beautifully said Alteori! 👏👏👏👏 way to put it in a way where people can see the big picture.
Like I didn’t know lack of criticism could kill creativity you’d think it would be the opposite.
Negative criticism is very important. Naturally, if you are a fan of something, you want to see it improve or even if you just don’t like it, but you like the concept. Negative criticism when given out in a constructive sense helps those series improve.
There is a difference between constructive criticism and flat out shitting on something. A lot of the “feedback” I’ve seen about Madame Web was mostly just shitting on it without proper critique, or just being disproportionately emotional about it. As consumers we need to be more objective about how we react to a “bad” product by simply asking questions.
Just asking questions like, “Why was this decision made?”” goes a long way into understanding something or having the artist realize that may not have been a good decision instead of playing stupid games like, who can judge the loudest.
Also, a lot of artists need to learn what criticism is relevant and what is just noise because there are way too many bad takes muddying the waters making it hard for actual thought provoking criticism to be seen or heard.
Very good topic and your commentary was very thought out and informative.
Well said Alterori! One thing I would add that might off topic of your video, is that companies know that you can "guilt" and "shame" people into doing things they would rather not do. This is on average more true to men who have a harder time to deal with these two negative emotions of guilt and shame than women. Men, again on the high number average, are more likely to give in to things and take actions that they would otherwise not do when it comes with the chance of alleviating these two negative emotions. Yes, guilting and shaming people is emotional manipulation. Corporations and society are going all out using this as a weapon everywhere to make people do things, especially targeting the male demographic.
Are there any movies that you have seen recently that you actually "hate" and not just didn't like?
I think in this case I wouldn't blame the actors, the effects artists or the like. They were told to do a thing, the people above them accepted that thing.
Those who decided 'yeah, this is fine, we can sell it' are the ones to blame.
IQs had to fall really far for it to become a viable strategy. It's not concerning they tried it, it's concerning it worked.
I worked hard on making this watch, it doesn't keep time and pieces jingle around but I worked really, really hard on it.
AKA the era of consuming product, not asking questions, and getting excited for next product.
"Like Season 8 of GOT"
More like everything after season 5 but agreed
My best improvements as a nurse came from honest criticism. It hurt deeply but I grew profoundly.
0:04 good heavenly god your new icon is adorable🥺💕❤
The more I watch your stuff, the more I love your presentation of your opinion. You are doing a fabulous job, great entertainment! Just keep up the good work 😊
My teachers were harsh too. When my technology teacher said my work was crap, despite the long time I spent on it, that hurt. But it taught me to do things properly. It's true in the adult world too Customers expect their money s worth regardless of how you may feel.
An excellent attitude and very realistic! That's going to take you far.
The cat eating stuff had me dying. Thanks for the day brightener.
I relate criticism to the experience of playing sports and being on a team. If the coach doesn’t correct you then they do not care, and when they are in your business trying to fix your technique or just help you to strive for better because they believe you can, and want you to believe in yourself too.
Criticism=love, interest, passion
At best... Criticism is needed to help people improve when it points out flaws and helps gives support to improve the work.
At worst... Well not to sound cynical...
But it is to ensure someone doesn't do less than the bare minimum and call it a day before throwing out the latest buzzword or excuse to blame the audience for not liking it rather than actually doing a good job.
As I have seen plenty of people who claim we shouldn't 'criticize something' due to reasons... They worked hard, it is more inclusive, they wanted to write a story like this...
And yet when it comes to stuff that they don't like? Those same people will curse, complain, insult, and criticize as much as they can while feeling morally validated for that double standard.
Hello mrs Alteori!
The worse part is that there are people offering valid criticism because plenty of people are sick of garbage movies, instead Hollywood pretty much blacklists these people like Critical Drinker and tries to vilify them while completely ignoring the criticism and doubling down on the things people dislike about the current day movies in the first place.
Its complete insanity.
Oh and when the movie fails you'll get the typical articles to try and make people feel guilty by insulting them, even more insanity.
Constructive criticism is important, indeed. And, at times, even harsh criticism.
Velocipasture is better than some movies nowadays
Alteori: 60% Fox 40% Ears
(Because my God, those are huge.)
Question: Can those ears hear the tectonic plates moving?
Whats the context behind that thumbnail?
Lol Velocipastor
Haha, I came to hear about how criticism is perfectly valid, and I got a bonus reminder to be sure I'm eating 😻 correctly! 10/10