I own Loop Aliens too but did you know they are one of the heaviest options for guy lines and hanging a hammock. A purist would say that no hardware is needed at all, but I doubt that he is working with 1 mm lines and 60+-year-old eyes. I have found titanium loop aliens that weight more than the same aluminum model sold, odd. A titanium Split-Loop Alien would be great for a hammock rig if you use that sort of thing, strong enough to hold a someone trying to un-ass the hammock as fast as possible because they heard something in the middle of the night, and still reasonably light. But even the smallest aluminum Loops are too big for guy lines these days. Even if you still use water absorbent 550 cord or the millions of knock-offs (In Every Color that the Whacked Out Money Hungry world can produce) of "Para-cord". My guylines are down to 150 lb. closed looped spectra kite line now. I have enough rigged to set up every tarp, tent, and a couple masts all at the same time, while I am out flying stunt kites on the same line and can still carry them all in a single pocket. Using something like the loop alien would only make sense if a mico was made and I'm not sure even then that you could do it better Or lighter even in Titanium. I would bet that there are synthetic polymers that are lighter than titanium that would grab a 1 mm line just fine like line-loks, same with the Loop Alien but plastic is sexy like Ti. I did find a set of Alien Loops with the S backward on eBay once but the "ears" were the same size. I bet Disney wanted their cut.
Brian Bassett - my tarp guyline adjusters are either prusiks on 1mm Dyneema fishing line, or a version of lineloc that I got from Hong Kong (I think Dutchware do then now) that works on fine cord, I use a sheathed 1.5mm dyneema with those because the 1mm tends to saw through the plastic. The aluminium Chinese aliens I use on the ridgeline tie-outs are 3.5g and I use 1.2mm single braid dyneema fishing line with those, 4m on each end. They wrap up small and tick in a pocket at the ends of the tarp snakeskin. All my hammocks have a 10g stainless steel alien on their CLs, but I offset that massive weight by using 1.5g per foot dyneema tree straps that total 50g for the pair!! I did toy with using a Becket hitch, but got bored tying and untying for micro-adjustments.
I find it weird working with line that is almost too small to handle and yet strong enough for heavy winds. I'd like to find a reflective sleeve for the loops anchored at the tent and at the pegs. I find that reflective lines are too much for me and ruin any flash photography. The Spider Web straps are about the lightest I have found also. I think that the Loop Alien is probably more useful than many other support hardware toys because it can also be used in more configurations than most of the others I have seen. They are all just too massive for what I need.
man that was a super usfull video and funny. i have been looking fir a secure way to make a nice tight ridge line for my 4.5m long tarp you have it sused
The 2 small eyes on loopalien are exclusively made for weight saving, you shouldn't load them. Yes loopaliens are massive for fixing a tarp, so I fix my whole hammock with them. For unsheathed dyneema the only way they wont slip is the clover hitch.
Matthew Brogan - that was some time ago, I've been thru many variations since then, I had to watch it myself to remember!! That was a continuous ridgeline, threaded thru the tarp loops at each end and inside the snake skin. I left the tarp attached to it with prusiks, so that once the ridgeline was tensioned up, I could set the tarp anywhere along it. These days, I just use a tie-out at each end, less tangly cordage, and I don't think the tarp really needs to be hung over a ridgeline, it's strong enough.
Paul Tomlin awesome thank you I was curious I just ordered those and wasn't sure how you actually had it ran and attached to tarp. Thanks for the quick response. How are you currently running your tarp?
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I own Loop Aliens too but did you know they are one of the heaviest options for guy lines and hanging a hammock. A purist would say that no hardware is needed at all, but I doubt that he is working with 1 mm lines and 60+-year-old eyes. I have found titanium loop aliens that weight more than the same aluminum model sold, odd. A titanium Split-Loop Alien would be great for a hammock rig if you use that sort of thing, strong enough to hold a someone trying to un-ass the hammock as fast as possible because they heard something in the middle of the night, and still reasonably light. But even the smallest aluminum Loops are too big for guy lines these days. Even if you still use water absorbent 550 cord or the millions of knock-offs (In Every Color that the Whacked Out Money Hungry world can produce) of "Para-cord". My guylines are down to 150 lb. closed looped spectra kite line now. I have enough rigged to set up every tarp, tent, and a couple masts all at the same time, while I am out flying stunt kites on the same line and can still carry them all in a single pocket. Using something like the loop alien would only make sense if a mico was made and I'm not sure even then that you could do it better Or lighter even in Titanium. I would bet that there are synthetic polymers that are lighter than titanium that would grab a 1 mm line just fine like line-loks, same with the Loop Alien but plastic is sexy like Ti. I did find a set of Alien Loops with the S backward on eBay once but the "ears" were the same size. I bet Disney wanted their cut.
Brian Bassett - my tarp guyline adjusters are either prusiks on 1mm Dyneema fishing line, or a version of lineloc that I got from Hong Kong (I think Dutchware do then now) that works on fine cord, I use a sheathed 1.5mm dyneema with those because the 1mm tends to saw through the plastic. The aluminium Chinese aliens I use on the ridgeline tie-outs are 3.5g and I use 1.2mm single braid dyneema fishing line with those, 4m on each end. They wrap up small and tick in a pocket at the ends of the tarp snakeskin.
All my hammocks have a 10g stainless steel alien on their CLs, but I offset that massive weight by using 1.5g per foot dyneema tree straps that total 50g for the pair!!
I did toy with using a Becket hitch, but got bored tying and untying for micro-adjustments.
I find it weird working with line that is almost too small to handle and yet strong enough for heavy winds. I'd like to find a reflective sleeve for the loops anchored at the tent and at the pegs. I find that reflective lines are too much for me and ruin any flash photography. The Spider Web straps are about the lightest I have found also. I think that the Loop Alien is probably more useful than many other support hardware toys because it can also be used in more configurations than most of the others I have seen. They are all just too massive for what I need.
man that was a super usfull video and funny. i have been looking fir a secure way to make a nice tight ridge line for my 4.5m long tarp you have it sused
Thanks for the comment, if you need any Amsteel for your tarp I have a LOT and very cheap! and those aliens are silly cheap on eBay.
check out www.hammockforum.co.uk if you haven't already.
+Paul Tomlin cheers mate i am on hammock forums. ill maby give you a mesage about amsteel at some point looks like a great thing for tarps
The 2 small eyes on loopalien are exclusively made for weight saving, you shouldn't load them. Yes loopaliens are massive for fixing a tarp, so I fix my whole hammock with them. For unsheathed dyneema the only way they wont slip is the clover hitch.
Are you running one continous ridgeline or is your cordage attached at both ends of your tarp? Thanks
Matthew Brogan - that was some time ago, I've been thru many variations since then, I had to watch it myself to remember!!
That was a continuous ridgeline, threaded thru the tarp loops at each end and inside the snake skin. I left the tarp attached to it with prusiks, so that once the ridgeline was tensioned up, I could set the tarp anywhere along it.
These days, I just use a tie-out at each end, less tangly cordage, and I don't think the tarp really needs to be hung over a ridgeline, it's strong enough.
Paul Tomlin awesome thank you I was curious I just ordered those and wasn't sure how you actually had it ran and attached to tarp. Thanks for the quick response. How are you currently running your tarp?
Matthew Brogan - I use end tie-outs, like this,
ruclips.net/video/OXPGZeLVlLM/видео.html
But I use 1.2mm dyneema (I think I mention that in the vid)