Minecraft Realms SCAMMED Me...

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  • Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
  • Minecraft realms have always been targetted at extremely casual players, clueless parents and small groups of friends. But are they actually worth it? Or are they actually a poorly disguised scam?
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    0:00 - Minecraft Realms
    1:19 - The Big Issue With Realms
    3:13 - Where’s The Features?
    5:03 - Non-existent Configuration
    6:50 - Pros of Realms
    8:57 - Realms Hardware
    10:03 - Fixing Realms
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Комментарии • 941

  • @TheMisterEpic
    @TheMisterEpic  6 месяцев назад +471

    7 days later, still cant join my realm for more then 30 seconds lol
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    • @Zeke69420
      @Zeke69420 6 месяцев назад +9

      minecraft realms should be better

    • @Orange-The-Protogen
      @Orange-The-Protogen 6 месяцев назад +2

      good vid

    • @msbereny6092
      @msbereny6092 6 месяцев назад +1

      nice

    • @thesharky
      @thesharky 6 месяцев назад

      yeah

    • @michaelgamel5915
      @michaelgamel5915 6 месяцев назад +3

      that's really weird I've never seen something like that happen before on my realm

  • @harrypotter5460
    @harrypotter5460 6 месяцев назад +2607

    Another counterpoint to the “simplicity” is that any family living in a single home has an even simpler and cheaper option: Start a single player world and open to LAN.

    • @AuroraNemoia
      @AuroraNemoia 6 месяцев назад +321

      playing modded with my sister, I just added a usb wifi card to my PC, and we were rolling with LAN immediately. It is deceptively simple. Also, ngl, but many families playing minecraft together do it on console with splitscreen. I have thousands of hours with my own mother building things in creative on xbox 360... Realms fixes a problem that was already solved ages ago and much better.

    • @venialgaming4295
      @venialgaming4295 6 месяцев назад +101

      If you’re familiar with port forwarding it even allows you to play online with anybody for free, provided you trust them with your ip.

    • @iplayksplol9974
      @iplayksplol9974 6 месяцев назад +17

      yeah, assuming lan works. (which it doesnt almost all of the time)

    • @blagu10
      @blagu10 6 месяцев назад +61

      Not always the best option, because LAN requires one person to be online and hosting at all times. If that person does not want to play Minecraft and the others do, well the others are out of luck. With a Realm, it is continuously hosted online for anyone to access regardless of the host's presence.

    • @venialgaming4295
      @venialgaming4295 6 месяцев назад

      @@iplayksplol9974 How so, I've literally never had it not work, it could very well be issues with your network security stuff in your router not liking minecraft

  • @heavensplitter
    @heavensplitter 6 месяцев назад +1878

    I know that you must have already tested all the troubleshooting possibilities, luckily I am a developer and network analyst and after analyzing for a while I came to the conclusion that the problem is that this is bullshit

    • @Swaxol
      @Swaxol 6 месяцев назад +130

      Seems legit

    • @Daily-PE
      @Daily-PE 6 месяцев назад +19

      Is it the video or realms that's crap?

    • @TheGhostFart
      @TheGhostFart 6 месяцев назад +120

      @@Daily-PE realms obviously

    • @Xanar
      @Xanar 6 месяцев назад +15

      I play on my realm on a daily basis and never got disconnected. I simply use the realm to play one world, no matter where I am. I can play my world at home and at work. I know $8 is a lot for that "cloud" feature.

    • @Zytron
      @Zytron 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@Xanar it happened to me once I think. I think I just had to wait a bit, but it was like 2-3 years ago so I don't remember.

  • @cat1554
    @cat1554 6 месяцев назад +844

    I believe "RateLimiter Disallowed Request" is due to a rate limit on trying to connect. Limiting join spam makes sense. Forcing you to hit this limit because of shitty hosting that you have to pay for does not.

    • @FluffyCatMC
      @FluffyCatMC 6 месяцев назад +36

      Yeah but that’s not the only issue. That’s probably another error due to him trying to join too many times because it wouldn’t let him join.

    • @XenoTheEnergized1339
      @XenoTheEnergized1339 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@OFFICERJIMMYUTTPYour bait sucks.

    • @srimattheuniverseshow
      @srimattheuniverseshow 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@OFFICERJIMMYUTTPgo to hel 💀

    • @theairblow
      @theairblow 6 месяцев назад +1

      "RateLimiter Disallowed Request" is a status message I've seen before when trying to use the authentication API. From what I've seen, it is 3 requests per 15 seconds.

    • @sammy_wills
      @sammy_wills 4 месяца назад

      ​@@PurgeTime
      The thing in your walls is disappointed in you.

  • @user-fw8ry1tq4y
    @user-fw8ry1tq4y 6 месяцев назад +48

    As someone who managed "desktop" server and LAN worlds i can say that this is not such difficult
    REAL difficulty is force friends to play -yet again-

  • @ruskcoder
    @ruskcoder 6 месяцев назад +522

    Minecraft realms was just a bait for Mojang to make more money with overpriced prices.

    • @youtubeguy8796
      @youtubeguy8796 6 месяцев назад +19

      It used to actually matter back in the day which he just said after starting this comment. I was going to say more but he's now explaining what I was going to say way better.

    • @youtubeguy8796
      @youtubeguy8796 6 месяцев назад +4

      -and more

    • @FreeRobux712
      @FreeRobux712 6 месяцев назад

      And your mom was just a bait for your dad to have a way to express his sexual frustrations with another man, without being considered gay.

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 6 месяцев назад +12

      When realms first came out I'm pretty sure it was much harder to set up a server, even with 3rd party hosting sites. It is overpriced, but its also the quickest, simplest, and easiest way for people or parents to use when they just want a server for their small group of friends to play on.

    • @xenird
      @xenird 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@lasercraft32 only 2 reasons I've ever used realms was that you get 1 month free (and you can create multiple accounts and get free infinite realms) and on bedrock edition mc is so scuffed I couldn't join my friends world and hosting servers there is a pain in the ass(average bugrock L)

  • @kamppaaa
    @kamppaaa 6 месяцев назад +127

    I once had a realm for a group of about 30 players on playstation, at first it was nice and ran well. Towards the end of the server tho the performance kept getting worse and worse. I remember during the last month or so of the few years the server had been on the server would lag real bad with just 3 players online. During peak hours when we had 8-10 people on the server would occasionally crash and overall be unplayable.
    I dont know if its gotten better or worse since. But one thing i am sure of is im not going back to realms especially after i found a java host thats cheaper and way more capable.

    • @THE_Dr.Pepper_Ethusiast
      @THE_Dr.Pepper_Ethusiast 6 месяцев назад

      Hmm are you talking about Modded Mishapenings hosted by VocalicSea?

    • @p0gchap965
      @p0gchap965 6 месяцев назад +1

      What host did you find? I really want to get a server to play with my friends and at first I used bisect hosting, but it spend 8 dollars for a 2 gigabyte plan that would barely run when 4 players were online.

    • @peppapiggod4689
      @peppapiggod4689 6 месяцев назад

      @@p0gchap965in my experience Shockbyte is an excellent host, $2.50 per GB of ram and usually has a discount code

    • @tofetta8253
      @tofetta8253 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@p0gchap965 you can use oracle free cloud (24gb of ram) and 24/7 server which u can host everything you want (not limited to minecraft)
      played on it with like 350 mods with 5 other ppl and it didn't lag at all

    • @kamppaaa
      @kamppaaa 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@p0gchap965 Sparked Host, about a dollar per gigabyte on their budget hardware. Had no issues with performance on the lowest end hardware and 6gb of ram. I pay abt 11 dollars total for the server monthly as i have some other stuff like a custom domain.

  • @Maxidos
    @Maxidos 6 месяцев назад +169

    As someone who has owned a realm for over 2 maybe even 3 years now, I would say that all of your points in this video are very correct, and I would love if they made those advanced option changes. Also, on the point about the versions, I'm pretty sure they do let you use not the latest minor version (like 1.20.1 when 1.20.2 is the latest version, but probably not like 1.16.1 when 1.16.2 is the latest version since that actually added stuff), and when you said about having a datapack-like plug-in system, they do let you use datapacks, you just need to create a world with the datapack you want, and then import it in to the realm.

    • @mindcrafter129
      @mindcrafter129 6 месяцев назад +1

      no it does not work, with datapacks you cant even log in...

    • @cor74
      @cor74 6 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah most .x updates let you use an older client which is nice

    • @Faroshkas
      @Faroshkas 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@mindcrafter129It does work.

    • @oganessongang
      @oganessongang 6 месяцев назад +5

      Why not switch to a classic server host? Oracle Cloud has a free tier powerful enough to run servers without any lag, provided you know how to set it up on Linux yourself

    • @mindcrafter129
      @mindcrafter129 6 месяцев назад

      wierd cuz another ytber calles Kasaisora tried it and it did not work
      @@Faroshkas

  • @reipenny4123
    @reipenny4123 6 месяцев назад +153

    The thing is,for all the cons it has,i would argue that for a small group of friends minehut is a much easier alternative.

    • @A_GodApple
      @A_GodApple 6 месяцев назад

      but mine hut is generally an awful service if you ask me. It has the stupidest way to connect: go through on server filled with ads and somehow find your server. and even then there is dumb limits like playtime being limited to 1 hour, ads whenever you join, and lots of delays when you join(waiting on another world).

    • @Trippsy05
      @Trippsy05 6 месяцев назад

      I used free hosters like minehut for ages before one of my friends had good enough internet and enough knowledge to set up one himself.

    • @consolas2514
      @consolas2514 6 месяцев назад +8

      Honestly hard disagree. I've used things like Minehut and Aternos for years as a kid because I didn't have the money for a 3rd party website and my parents felt more comfortable with a built in system. Realms performed so much better than the barely stable servers available there imo

    • @A_GodApple
      @A_GodApple 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@consolas2514 very true, mine hut sucks

    • @bconroy328
      @bconroy328 6 месяцев назад

      I am just lazy and have no intrest in opening and closing a server nor learning the lingo so I just bite the bullet.
      I do miss bucket thou

  • @mooing_cowmilk
    @mooing_cowmilk 6 месяцев назад +89

    When the default friend multiplayer is much better then java's (works almost like LAN but doesn't need to be local at all, free as well)

    • @FreeRobux712
      @FreeRobux712 6 месяцев назад

      You know what else is free? your mom.

    • @nuvuv1
      @nuvuv1 6 месяцев назад +9

      i'm jealous. luckily, we have essentials mod which does essentially the same thing

    • @user-to7ds6sc3p
      @user-to7ds6sc3p 6 месяцев назад +4

      Thats one of Bedrocks awesome Features. But just slap some Free mods onto Java and you got the same Features without paid Skins/"Mods" /Maps/Texturepacks, random Redstone etc. Java is simply superior, on PC, if you are willing the have some fun with modding.

    • @surpriseman
      @surpriseman 6 месяцев назад

      @@user-to7ds6sc3p if you are talking about customization then pc is clearly superior in any game since you know you can pretty much do whatever you want

  • @mallusrgreat
    @mallusrgreat 6 месяцев назад +56

    The reason they aren't giving users access to change server software is probably because it's against their EULA. Distributing modified server software itself isn't allowed, so why would they even do that?

    • @TheKodeToad
      @TheKodeToad 6 месяцев назад +14

      This was only a big issue in the past AFAIK. Forge & Fabric do not distribute modified software, PaperMC distributes a binary patch, SpigotMC only distributes BuildTools (basically DIY). However, they probably have a good reason why you don't get shortcuts to install various mod loaders on the client side in their launcher (similar to MultiMC) - so it'd probably apply to realms too?

    • @theairblow
      @theairblow 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheKodeToad I think it's a matter of "official support", as people would probably see it being in an official Mojang product and think it is now endorsed by them. It would be great, but it's probably not something they would want to do. Additionally, for mods specifically, making people associate Mojang with Curseforge would be horrible.

    • @matthewbarabas3052
      @matthewbarabas3052 5 месяцев назад

      that, and its probably a bad idea anyway.

    • @TheKodeToad
      @TheKodeToad 5 месяцев назад

      a lot of community projects have a stupid amount of drama and Mojang cannot ensure their safety ;)

  • @justanotheraccounthere2014
    @justanotheraccounthere2014 6 месяцев назад +133

    Dynamic resource allocation is pretty common in cloud computing, and in AWS EC2 developers could integrate this kind of resource/instance scaling into service/apps with relative ease.

    • @chefaku
      @chefaku 6 месяцев назад +15

      Yeah, they switched to Azure just because it's from Microsoft.

    • @awwastor
      @awwastor 6 месяцев назад +1

      it's ridiculously expensive compared to dedicated hosting though

    • @A_GodApple
      @A_GodApple 6 месяцев назад +1

      I actually used an ec2 to make a personal Minecraft server for free and it's mind blowing just how much AWS can do. I was limited to 2gb ram so I can't say much but I can vouch for AWS. They have incredible amounts of customizability. They just left AWS because Microsoft obviously wants them to support Azure so they can say Mojang uses it.

  • @aleph_zero1
    @aleph_zero1 6 месяцев назад +27

    The fact that a console isn't even accessible makes even those crappy free server hosting looks good. Like i get trying to make it simple for the less knowing but not even an "advanced" mode is crazy

    • @EevsterReal
      @EevsterReal 6 месяцев назад +1

      Fr at least aternos somewhat works 🤣

    • @sossololpipi9633
      @sossololpipi9633 6 месяцев назад

      @@EevsterReal it's actually genuinely good even on large modpacks. no idea why some people are just hosting thousands of servers for free for anyone including bots and even keeping them good...

  • @Trojan073
    @Trojan073 6 месяцев назад +35

    Realms makes more sense for Bedrock because of the policies of Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo making it require troubleshooting to join non featured servers.

  • @smalbraine
    @smalbraine 6 месяцев назад +54

    Realms make a little more sense on bedrock because of how terrible server support is on that version. They are simple and easy to access, and realms you are in appear in the friends tab and so are easy to get into, or if you own a realm it’s pinned above all of the worlds you have

    • @Just_A_Microwave
      @Just_A_Microwave 6 месяцев назад +8

      Sad part is my friends all play on console and so for everyone to play we have to get a realm because apparently you can't add any servers you only have the ones Minecraft gives you on PlayStation. It sucks because I'd like to think I know more about technical Minecraft and could set up a server, plugin, make a data pack so on, but no I'm forced to use realms because of the monopoly that Mojang has over console servers

    • @sacrificiallamb4568
      @sacrificiallamb4568 6 месяцев назад

      It's Microsoft. They're the ones who benefit from you buying Realms on console, I think.@@Just_A_Microwave

    • @Faroshkas
      @Faroshkas 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@Just_A_MicrowaveI believe theres a very convoluted way to add custom servers to consoles. I remember doing so on Nintendo Switch a few years ago. I think you can find it if you search. It envolves changing some wifi options or something like that.

    • @CupcakeShiny
      @CupcakeShiny 6 месяцев назад

      they actually make less sense on bedrock, since there you have the option to simply join a friend's world, or invite them to join yours, and for free, so why would you even need a realm?

  • @jehmarxx
    @jehmarxx 6 месяцев назад +6

    "Don't make me give you connection issues ... to the Realm of real life."
    Woah, woah. Easy there, buddy.

  • @slippybean900
    @slippybean900 6 месяцев назад +19

    Had same issue with joining friends' realms and I would keep getting kicked. Can't remember the specific solution, but try lowering your render distance to reduce how much data is being sent between you and the server. Think it's something about a false positive in a system that prevents spamming the server or whatever.

  • @kefpull6676
    @kefpull6676 6 месяцев назад +41

    TheMisterEpic considering how amazingly meticulous their choice of "official safe minecraft servers" is, you will be waiting a very long time for an update

  • @fredericgagnon
    @fredericgagnon 6 месяцев назад +7

    "playing on the latest version only"
    This is not a Realms only issue, but a bedrock issue. You cannot choose any version other than the latest with the vanilla bedrock launcher. (if there is one I am not aware of it)

  • @T3hPr0z
    @T3hPr0z 6 месяцев назад +17

    As can be seen from the render distance, the hardware resource allocation per realm is kept pretty much on the low end. There might be a dynamic ram system to accomodate more players for stability, but again, as minimal as possible. And like i saw someone else mention, this is essentially opening SP to LAN where the only control you really have is gamerules - which btw when you really don't have any basic knowledge of server management, won't really get any use out of.
    And if we're going off of Java base, that money can be instead put into -like mentioned in video- a host, where you know what you're actually getting, with the optional customizability.
    On top of that, from what i've seen, most (bigger)hosts have a decent knowledgebase/FAQ section, some even with video instructions, if you'd ever happen to get stuck or would want to change stuff, even if you're a little dumdum in server management department.
    In conclusion, Realms really has no place in modern Minecraft. When it was announced 10 years ago, it was a nice official and simpler way to host a vanilla server cause back in the day we didn't have all these customization options, but with how big Minecraft is nowadays -all the mods, addons, plugins, different server platforms-, Realms really has turned obsolete nowadays and is sort of a scam with what it actually offers.

  • @boid
    @boid 6 месяцев назад +13

    Personally I actually think realms minigames are one of the main reasons to be used - The games tend to be very unique and high quality and are very fun to play

    • @lorekeeper685
      @lorekeeper685 6 месяцев назад +4

      I havent seen them so can't say anything can you give examples?

  • @carotteatomique
    @carotteatomique 6 месяцев назад +41

    My biggest problem with Realms (and the reason my personal server with friends moved to a different host) is that you're only allowed a maximum of 5GB world uploads...
    That seems reasonable, but when you're a few players exploring the world with elytras, 5GB fills up FAST.
    That wouldn't be too much of an issue in and of itself (after all, the world is already on the Realms, no need to upload it) if the only way to set datapacks wasn't to download the world, set the datapacks and upload it again!
    This meant that once the 5GB limit got reached, the datapacks we had on were it. No more could be added, but most importantly, the ones we had could never be updated again. If a new version of Minecraft broke one of our datapacks, too bad! No updates.

    • @skarletblu3239
      @skarletblu3239 6 месяцев назад +2

      it does help a teensy tiny bit if you use mca selector after you download the world and before reuploading. it'll help bring down the world size and lets you generate new chunks especially after a major update

  • @thunderwave89
    @thunderwave89 6 месяцев назад +11

    Tbf bedrock realms can be really useful, I used them to transfer my worlds from my Switch to my computer (which you can't do otherwise without jailbreaking your switch...)

    • @ArtistthiccArttwerks
      @ArtistthiccArttwerks 6 месяцев назад +1

      Or. Just move it through your files.

    • @thunderwave89
      @thunderwave89 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@ArtistthiccArttwerks you can't on a switch

    • @painlesschunk
      @painlesschunk 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@ArtistthiccArttwerks... which requires jailbreaking a switch.

    • @BulletproofKuloodporny
      @BulletproofKuloodporny 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@painlesschunkwhich requires a old switch that support the RCM method or a newer one if you know how to solder

  • @Vergilenjoyer
    @Vergilenjoyer 6 месяцев назад +49

    As an Australian, I found it hard to play my realm as well - my other Australian friend couldn't join my realm as well. I believe that Mojang just decided not to put any good servers in, or near, Australia for Java. I can easily join my Bedrock realm, but Java is impossible to play without a VPN.

    • @corebear1941
      @corebear1941 6 месяцев назад +8

      Absolutely this, bedrock realms work reasonably fine (a few issues but that's realm issues, not poor server connection issues). Java? Forget that, I'd rather be spawn trapped in obsidian over the java realms experience

    • @321Jarn
      @321Jarn 6 месяцев назад +3

      That would probably be it, so Mister epic the solution is here above ^

    • @RV2O
      @RV2O 6 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah, its for sure a time-out problem due to packet loss or something along the lines of that. There is a mod that could have solved this issue, but it has to be installed on both the server and client. Just another reason to hate Realms!

    • @netherhunter945
      @netherhunter945 6 месяцев назад

      It worked fine for me and my friend and we’re both in Australia
      Weird

    • @quizzicality_
      @quizzicality_ 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@RV2Omod name?

  • @nakano8412
    @nakano8412 6 месяцев назад +5

    I decided to host a realm for a few people on Bedrock edition back in 2020. It took about 1 week for the realm to be joinable, it just wouldn't turn on. Eventually when it did work, more issues started to happen, trying to download the world would result in an error 99% of the time, trying to replace the world would lead into errors too. When everything started to work, entities would despawn very frequently, be it tamed or not. Later that year the realm would start crashing more frequently and data would corrupt.
    In 2022 my friend decided to try hosting a realm, it was fine for the first 2 weeks, but then all entities would start despawning again, book and quill would have many pages corrupt and some chunks started acting weird.
    Realms are extremly underwhelming, the render distance is stuck at 8 and does not have great hardware. I think it's fine for someone younger that want a easy way to play with friends, but setting up a server yourself isn't that hard, and even then, getting a server from a 3rd party host you can get both cheaper & better hardware. There is a bit of a limit to realms that Mojang doesn't really tell you, realms that is over 500mb will start having more issues, for Bedrock at least, worlds above 4-5gb will either not work, or be very broken.

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube 6 месяцев назад +11

    Realms seems like an interesting idea, but in practice there's so many better alternatives

  • @AltraHapi
    @AltraHapi 6 месяцев назад +31

    I wouldn't be opposed to a multiple tier system, but I would want them to lower the current realms to a realms basic and lower the price and allow higher tiered options to allow for actually good server configs

  • @radical7628
    @radical7628 6 месяцев назад +1

    1:09 the funniest thing about minecraft is how the game is so intricate that you litteraly can't run a server without some plugins because when notch was making the game he likely never intended millions of strangers playing together in his game all at once.

  • @chernobyl169
    @chernobyl169 6 месяцев назад +46

    I bought and ran a realm for a few months when it was still a new-ish service. Nothing but trouble across the board; connection errors on the regular, backups not working correctly, and more effort expended on their end collecting the monthly fee than making sure the service even works as advertised. Even when the server was performing at its best, there was awful lag that made basic tasks a chore and combat impossible with only one player online. There was no logging and no console, only a reset button that didn't appear to do anything. There was a selection of custom maps you could try, most of which either didn't work right or at all. Oh, and they nagged me to download a backup of my nonfunctional realm for a full year before finally deleting it (even though I thought that's what the big trash-can-icon "Delete Realm" button did). 2/10, avoid this service.

    • @sosig6445
      @sosig6445 6 месяцев назад +1

      Compare that to some guy making a smallc company hosting servers.
      He and his small team were somehow avalaible 24/7 (idk he seems to never sleep lol) And upon ANY issue i found he immedietly helped, if all else failed he moved my server to a different machine wich always fixed connectibility issues, and everything else was just my fault for messing up my plugins and configs wich he still resolved without a fuss.
      Beyond that he made an UI where i can either with a single click install stable pre configured packages for modded and vanilla, or gave the option to methodically build your own custom server experience using remote file access.
      And it cost me less to make a stable server for TWICE the people realms could handle, and it wasn't a hard limit, the limit was the hardware i rented and i got to decide how to allocate it based on my budget and player count. if i really wanted to i could have configured it to handle up to a hundred people by installing all the performance fixing mods and plugins.

  • @Soverney
    @Soverney 6 месяцев назад +3

    I was stuck with this exact same issue as you had in the start, nothing fixed it except when I had a vpn running, only then I could join my own realm.

  • @HammyBoy414
    @HammyBoy414 6 месяцев назад +4

    Its so strange to see how messy Realms are on Java. I have a 3 person one on Bedrock for me and my girlfriend and we have never had a single issue outside of the lower than favorable render distance.

  • @pixel4712
    @pixel4712 6 месяцев назад +6

    back when i had this issue consistently what worked for me was using a vpn and changing locations until it worked, but then you are obviously on high ping

  • @luketurner314
    @luketurner314 6 месяцев назад +6

    From personal experience, I think Realms is a good starting point to get your feet wet with server hosting. However, on the complexity spectrum, I think they've gone too far towards the simple extreme. I'm now at the other extreme of self-hosted with Docker on a Linux-based server. I think server hosting sites (eg. Shockbyte, MCProhosting, Apex Hosting) fall somewhere in the middle, which is not easy; being simple and user-friendly enough for most people while simultaneously offering advanced features for those that know what they're doing

  • @Will-uf7jt
    @Will-uf7jt 6 месяцев назад +3

    I’m not sure if it is the same for realms, but I do know that there is issues with the 1.20.2 server support kicking players.

  • @CaptainDramagerate
    @CaptainDramagerate 6 месяцев назад +3

    I've had a Realm for nearly 2 years now and had brilliant performance and almost no issues. The main problems I have is the lack of mod support and version choice.

  • @Marenthyu
    @Marenthyu 6 месяцев назад +2

    You're not going to get "custom server software" on Realms, that would compromise the entire tightly-controlled setup as well as endorsing mods of their Server Software, which always has been a legal grey area.

    • @Rismose
      @Rismose 6 месяцев назад +2

      Precisely, I think the entire video is kinda unnecessary as it’s mostly just a rant about how you can’t use third party tools on Mojangs own servers. The only part that actually makes sense is the part about not being able to log on and the price of Realms. No idéa if he’s tried contacting Mojang/Microsoft but that’s the first thing i’d do. And we can’t really complain about the pricing, it’s Mojangs pricing and if you don’t feel like paying for it you can just go buy/setup your own community multiplayer server for cheap

  • @not_icedup9017
    @not_icedup9017 6 месяцев назад +1

    Man am I glad I went down the rabbit hole of finding free hosts and then learning by myself how to set up plugins, worlds, install server versions and etc.
    Seeing this literally hurt my brain, Minecraft needs to work on this.

  • @kyceessadki2501
    @kyceessadki2501 6 месяцев назад +3

    apart from the connection issues, realms seems really good for what it is trying to achieve, I know that as a kid I would have struggled with third party server stuff, and I used realms as a kid. it is really easy for 11 year olds, so I'm happy it exists for that reason alone, even though I do use third parties (I like making modpacks for me and my friends to play on), it's nice for kids to play

  • @NovemberOrWhatever
    @NovemberOrWhatever 6 месяцев назад +3

    I host a server for my friends on my desktop and, while it wasn't the easiest thing to set up, it wasn't that bad either. If you don't need people to be able to connect from outside your home wifi network, it's even easier as you won't have to change router settings. And it's as customizable as it gets while being fully free

  • @refioyt6238
    @refioyt6238 2 месяца назад +1

    Realms used to make sense for bedrock edition as the official dedicated server software was not out yet, and third-party alternatives sucked for normal survival

  • @HKSpringDog
    @HKSpringDog 6 месяцев назад +14

    I recently upgraded to realms plus from a regular realm and microsoft isnt letting me cancel my old one, so now its charging me 12$ a month and we cant fix it because they are doing anything to help.

    • @bluspringtrap9396
      @bluspringtrap9396 6 месяцев назад +2

      that might be illegal

    • @gleamingcolt
      @gleamingcolt 6 месяцев назад

      That’s just fucking stupid

    • @HKSpringDog
      @HKSpringDog 6 месяцев назад

      @@bluspringtrap9396 Yea probably, everywhere I go, minecraft realms menu, minecraft website, microsoft subscribtions and services, microsoft purchase history, the internet, microsoft help, nothing works.

    • @PartyhatRS
      @PartyhatRS 6 месяцев назад

      You obviously haven't asked microsoft to cancel it and refund. They did that for me when I had the same issue. Maybe try contacting the people who you purchased from before making idiotic comments..

    • @iwastherobloxianminecrafter
      @iwastherobloxianminecrafter 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@PartyhatRSfound the Linux forum mod

  • @AstraVoid
    @AstraVoid 6 месяцев назад +4

    They gotta scam players so they can make a new wood type, you have any idea how difficult it is to count money and write a line of code once a month?

  • @FarLobster22890
    @FarLobster22890 6 месяцев назад +2

    Hi, past realms subscriber here. I recently ended my realms subscription for a number of reasons. Firstly, it is EXTREMELY convoluted to cancel your realms subscription, because there is no “End subscription” button, you have to first stop your server, then you will have to wait until the subscription expires. Secondly, the performance was ABYSMAL (Canadian here, your experience may be different). I regularly got 300+ ping, I would say I have fairly good internet (100+ MBPS), so my connection was not the issue (Keep in mind, this was with a SINGLE player on). This issue worsened whenever multiple friends were playing at once, to the point where it was unplayable for me and my friends. Besides connection issues, we couldn’t have multiple people flying around with elytra’s or the server would crash. I ran this realm, so me and a few friends could easily play some Minecraft together, and what we got was an unplayable mess. Thankfully, if realms didn’t have a backup feature I couldn’t get the world files, the world with 500+ hours on it and all the hard work would be lost. With the world files in hand, I searched for a new server provider and I found one (Bisect hosting). I bought a server, uploaded the files and had the same world ready to go. The server performance was a million times better, and any issues I had were solved by customer support within an hour, support was never something I could get with realms. In summary, I highly suggest that anyone currently paying for a realm STOP NOW, pay for a server that’s the same price as a realm, trust me I’m saving you a headache.
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  • @toothlessblue
    @toothlessblue 6 месяцев назад +2

    I think Minecraft multiplayer is a great way to learn some real world networking skills if you learn to host your own server.

  • @RayDuck
    @RayDuck 6 месяцев назад +3

    The mod compatibility is a good idea, but I not sure if Mojang would be allowed to add them, as most of those mods are open source, while Minecraft is proprietary.

    • @blackbeast9268
      @blackbeast9268 6 месяцев назад

      i mean even rockstar, a very greedy company allows gta mod servers. it reallydosent matter if its open source since it dosent affrct mojang in any way. the closed source code of minecraft wont be reveladx if u use a mod

    • @Rismose
      @Rismose 6 месяцев назад

      @@blackbeast9268but those are not official Rockstar servers, that’s the difference

    • @Rismose
      @Rismose 6 месяцев назад

      Mojang and Microsoft would never add mod/custom server support to Realms, the reason being that they are modified versions of Minecraft not created or owned by Mojang. They would have no reason to allow users to add their own unofficial server software to run on official Mojang hardware.

  • @KlutchMeister
    @KlutchMeister 6 месяцев назад +3

    Third party always provide better quality to compete with others
    While realms is a risk free by official minecraft developers themself, because of this they have no reason to upgrades their server or even modify due to many laws/Tos, likely mojang going to treat realm as a way to cash grab + promote mutilplayer

  • @pizzaman730
    @pizzaman730 6 месяцев назад +1

    I personally have a very good experience with realms, a couple years ago back in 1.17 I hosted a bedrock realm with my friends and we didn’t have any trouble, we kept the server going and active until 1.19. However, when I tried to kind of revive it and make a new realm, a lot of my friends were unable to join for some reason.

  • @tinypixiebread
    @tinypixiebread 6 месяцев назад +1

    I remember back then when Terroriser (Vanoss's friend) start playing mc online for the first time with his friends, he bought mc realm. After less than a week of using it, his comment on the realm quality as "This is so shit"

  • @SuperlexPlays
    @SuperlexPlays 6 месяцев назад +3

    *I started making videos again. Thanks for inspiring me with your content Epic*

  • @Plaegu
    @Plaegu 6 месяцев назад +5

    CornerHard (The Lead Realms Dev) said in a podcast with ibxtoycat that they are working on client side render distance which would be amazing! As that’s my only issue with MCBE Realms.
    They are also working on allowing more customization to Realms such as higher simulation distance and more

  • @momentora9466
    @momentora9466 6 месяцев назад +1

    The biggest issue with realms for me is their limited gameplay. Try making any scaled or complicated farm and just see how the realm is blocking mechanics that work in vanilla singleplayer. Made a wither farm which ive built before. Only worked with a player in the spawn area in the nether, a player in the overworld transportation section and back in the nether. Then thought „a chunk loader could fix this“ tried multiple ones only to find out that those are being blocked as well. Now i got a nitrado server for less, everything working as intended, fun plugins and quality of life changes. There is no reason to ever go back for me. Oh and also the server doesnt crash frequently resetting progress by 30minutes each time.

  • @CyrilHul
    @CyrilHul 6 месяцев назад +1

    Definitely a scam. I’ve had nothing but countless errors and complications when trying to use one. Mojang gives us the bare minimum for a server for a ridiculous price.

  • @Dotesmite
    @Dotesmite 6 месяцев назад +4

    In my experience, for just playing with friends, realms is essentially indistinguishable from the other smaller server hosts. Sure, it's not the best option out there, but it will also never be the worst, and that type of consistency makes it a relatively hassle free option.

  • @coolname.
    @coolname. 6 месяцев назад +4

    You’re internet provider might be the issue honestly since you can find anyone else with a similar issue. I have Comcast and I’ve had issues playing gta 5 specifically on 3 different platforms and accounts. Weird stuff like that

  • @Vandassar
    @Vandassar 6 месяцев назад +2

    The not being able to stay on a server problems you had. I had similar issues and this was fixed by changing the default log in save slot and logging into it at least once. Once done you can move back to the first one or leave as is. No idea why this works. But others on various forums have also mentioned it working for them.

  • @Im_Jakon
    @Im_Jakon 6 месяцев назад +2

    As somebody who just wants to play survival with my friends, realms is a good option. It’s simple to access, and the RAM is great for the price.

  • @CIA-CYBER-CRIME-DIVISION
    @CIA-CYBER-CRIME-DIVISION 6 месяцев назад +3

    The model plays on people's laziness to learn the technology they are using on a daily basis.
    Same with off-hosting servers.
    At the end of the day, you are just allowing someone else to store your data on their own computer, not "the cloud"...

  • @Straiight
    @Straiight 6 месяцев назад +4

    they would not add custom server jars because if they do, companies like spigot will instantly sue them LOL

    • @FreeRobux712
      @FreeRobux712 6 месяцев назад

      Why are you still yapping? Your words aren’t reaching me. Probably got them twisted from all that dick you’ve been sucking.

    • @AlryFireBlade
      @AlryFireBlade 6 месяцев назад

      are you sure? I mean other Hosters offer them too.

    • @Straiight
      @Straiight 6 месяцев назад

      @@AlryFireBlade yea for example minecraft needs to pay optifine if they want to add them in their launcher im not sure but i think they would

    • @Rismose
      @Rismose 6 месяцев назад

      @@StraiightNah Mojang can sue all of them, they are breaking their EULA and distributing private software

    • @Straiight
      @Straiight 6 месяцев назад

      @@Rismose OH MAKES SENSE LOL UR THE GENIUS

  • @coldReactive
    @coldReactive 6 месяцев назад +1

    AWS also did dynamic allocation, as both Azure and AWS are cloud. Azure is a little more finicky, and when PSO2/NGS (SEGA's MMORPG) first came out on Azure for the west, it was absolutely terrible to connect to, and stay connected.

  • @thatonecubeguy4499
    @thatonecubeguy4499 6 месяцев назад +1

    Don't let me give you connection issues to the realm of real life! "No Pressure."

  • @guyexplores686
    @guyexplores686 3 месяца назад +4

    Just use aternos, that simple for hosting

  • @Plaegu
    @Plaegu 6 месяцев назад +3

    Minecraft Realms on Bedrock is very handy. As someone who has paid for two realms for over 4 years I don’t regret it.
    My friends and I have a long term Survival World that’s lasted since 2019 and a Creative World for our ideas and builds before we actually build them in survival. I’d purchase a server if console players could easily connect to it. As some of my friends aren’t tech savvy at all and barely know how to use their console let alone connect to a server in Minecraft when it’s not built in.
    And CornerHard (The Lead Realms Dev) said in a podcast with ibxtoycat that they are working on client side render distance which would be amazing! As that’s my only issue with MCBE Realms.

    • @Plaegu
      @Plaegu 6 месяцев назад +1

      Minecraft Realms on Java is a scam and so incredibly buggy.

    • @maxiboy4326
      @maxiboy4326 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Plaegu i think the reason that it is so buggy is because they aren't focusing on java as much as they are with bedrock, i'm fairly sure (not 100% sure) they have more teams working on bedrock instead of java probably because it makes them more money (marketplace etc)

    • @Plaegu
      @Plaegu 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@maxiboy4326 I think you’re right. Bedrock is (for better or worse) the future as Microsoft sees it. As they try to bring as much parity from Java and vice versa. Hopefully one day they can merge more than they already have.

  • @AVI_Parrot
    @AVI_Parrot 6 месяцев назад +1

    I remember a bunch of my friends having this issue with realms, and the only fix I remember was using a VPN weirdly enough. Needles to say we have never used realms since then.

  • @GKRainwater
    @GKRainwater 6 месяцев назад +1

    Heya in your video at 9:55 there are shots of server racks and that is the sort of thing i weld together at work! x

  • @Similize.
    @Similize. 6 месяцев назад +14

    You know its a good day when TheMisterEpic uploads!

    • @FreeRobux712
      @FreeRobux712 6 месяцев назад

      You know it’s a bad day when your mama still has to change your diapers and wipe your ass for you. You big ol’ baby.

  • @PeterKart4444
    @PeterKart4444 6 месяцев назад +2

    should've subscribed to themisterepic

  • @malexmoments
    @malexmoments 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've used realms to run an SMP with friends for years now, and you are absolutely correct. Back when I started the realm, I had no idea how to host a server, so I just chose realms, and it has had many, MANY issues such as the ones you mentioned in the video, disconnecting all users and irreversably reverting the world back about half an hour, terrible server performance (2gb for 2 players? seriously? for the price, i'd want more) and long login times of up to 10 minutes. some of these issues have been prevalent for the entire time I've used realms, and microsoft switching to azure's services didn't really seem to help.
    i'm sorry to say it, but now with a better understanding of how servers work, it's almost certainly time to switch.

  • @HermesWoop
    @HermesWoop 6 месяцев назад +2

    lmfao that is my planetminecraft post at the beginning of the video. funny to randomly see it nearly 10 years later.

  • @SonicPandora274
    @SonicPandora274 6 месяцев назад +2

    I personally use the essential mod, which lets you invite players to your worlds, which is good cuz I don’t trust my friend when he’s alone

  • @magisitasalix2233
    @magisitasalix2233 6 месяцев назад +2

    Here are free alternatives if needed :
    - Hamachi
    - Essential
    - Alternos
    - Hypixel SMP
    Have fun !

  • @themaskedwander
    @themaskedwander 3 месяца назад +1

    When I was using the Bedrock version with my friends. We had a realm for like a year or 2. It was very handy for use.
    Over time, the console exclusive players dropped off, and we eventually transferred the world to Java edition as we wanted to have some mods and a few features
    I will say the 3 world slots and backup feature the Realm had was so handy.
    I have Textile but something about it being able to b fixed in game was perfect

  • @wizardly9211
    @wizardly9211 6 месяцев назад +2

    Realms would instantly be worth it if they allowed mod support. I understand why they don't, mods technically aren't even supported in the main game anyway, and of course we all know Microsoft would never officially add mod support because people would just do that instead of using their shitty storefront. They'll never add/plugin support

  • @blagu10
    @blagu10 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've had a Java Realm for probably about 5 years now and have never had much issue with it. The simplicity is great but its also just flat out less intimidating that running a server. I dont have to spend time researching which is the best server host to go with, or how much RAM its going to need, or managing any kind of server files. I boot up the game and all of the configurations are baked right into the menus, and its a button press to launch. Maybe during the earlier days it would have some lag rendering chunks or timing out, but as time went on that became less and less common. Not having mods is the biggest downside for me, but me and my friends always play vanilla anyways so, no big loss there.

  • @derpsterYT
    @derpsterYT 6 месяцев назад +1

    I just have amazing memories from realms. They work good enough for a friend group.

  • @victory4me1
    @victory4me1 6 месяцев назад +2

    The sad thing is that a lot of this can be implied on Bedrock as well.

  • @MagnusMss
    @MagnusMss 6 месяцев назад +1

    For anyone who has the tiniest bit of technical knowledge and wants to host a Minecraft server, renting a server from services like Linode is a good idea. Just a clean Linux server where you could host all kinds of things, including Minecraft servers simultaneously and with infinite customizability. Nothing is stopping you. That is how I started and how I do it now.

  • @MrJmannik
    @MrJmannik 6 месяцев назад

    Something to check, is if your router/firewall has any IPS setup to make sure its not the cause of the issues. I had massive issues connecting to and staying connected to Hypixel until I turned off the Game category of IPS on my UDM Pro router, It took some time to work it out because I didn't have any issues with any other server.

  • @ajb128128
    @ajb128128 6 месяцев назад +1

    My friend got a realm for us to play (theirs 3 of us) and when he checked his banks statements it turned out Microsoft was charging him for 3 realms instead of just one for months. This also happened to another one of our buddy’s. Realms is a scam 100%. You also get like 1/3 the render distance on realms then anywhere else and the range at which chunks load and work are DRASTICALLY smaller then normal.

  • @CateSaturn
    @CateSaturn 6 месяцев назад +1

    If all the hardware needs are dynamic, then specs are allocated when needed. If the server needs more RAM, it gets more RAM. If the server needs more CPU, it gets more CPU. So you don't need to know the specs. You get all of the specs the server requires to run.
    With realms it makes sense to do this as you have large periods of down time. So whatever isn't used, gets cut back. It's oddly brilliant.

  • @heck2
    @heck2 6 месяцев назад +1

    While hosting a server from an external site is "better" I feel that for a lot of people wouldn't even want to deal with server hosting themselves from these sites, It can be a lot of trouble shooting, and not to mention that you got to keep in mind that not everyone who plays minecraft nowdays are players of 2b2t or are knowledgeable of all 40,000 plugins that all fix the game in their own unique ways. Which is fine of course, but if anything the advanced players are the major minority. Many people play on console with friends, and a realm is quite litterally perfect for that, even on some pcs it can be fine for small groups, we used to do that all the time with very few issues with our crossplay friends on xbox, if you are playing bedrock then you already know what youre getting into I suppose. Also not to mention that I personally always have single issues when setting up servers that cause me to trouble shoot for over an hour to fix one like broken setting and not everyone can just do that. I feel that it would be worth complaining about if the price was like 30 a month or some shit but for simplicity sake I think the current pricing is fine, even if some random dude out there could host it for cheaper themselves. Ive also had issues with some server hosts in the past where the connection was just abysmal and you cant always get your money back from them, an average plkayer probably wouldnt even know where to begin to fix something like that and in my case there was no fix I just had to buy a new server, after trying to upgrade it of course (which didn't fix it and wasted more of my money), though shoutout shockbyte for being just the best one imo.

  • @neotegia
    @neotegia 6 месяцев назад

    I've tried a few different minecraft servers companies, especially with the idea of running a moded forge world. And it's been absolute trash, constantly being told I'm at or going above my ram limit (10gigs or more at times) because the mods they have are leaking ram and or aren't actually compatible with what there trying to run is insane. Down to a point where my family (6-8 players commonly) has to pick one of our pcs to work as the server host to try and run it instead. The simplesity of basic realms becomes a lot more appealing at that point. Most distance options are actually controlled by the user after they've logged into the realm just by going into your own in-game options. (We do this for my daughter who needs shorter render distance and lower fps) and to access the realms files you just download a backup of that realms and you'll have all the files there to go thrue, then re-upload when done. Ultimately there are some soft forge mods that can be used on realms but there mainly client style ones like map mods. Ultimately I've had more luck running the realms server on Java vs buying one from a server service, as most want to charge out the behind for a basic level of ram needed for the amount of people in my family and for a basic mod packs. Now Bedrock realms suck other then the shear amount of free marketplace content you could use from them.

  • @zepplinkiwigamer8217
    @zepplinkiwigamer8217 6 месяцев назад +2

    Pre Watch comment here:
    (Minecraft on a Phone)
    Based on what the comment section is like, this is probably going to be about the crapiness of Realms.
    My friend's realm seems to have this odd time range where you can guarentee you won't get kicked, then your chances of getting kicked exponetially increase when out. Really odd and is not a internet problem on my end, so something is going on behind the scenes

  • @vinceomega4839
    @vinceomega4839 6 месяцев назад +2

    the only good part about realms is the simplicity and the hardware, I have played on Bedrock realms, and even when flying and moving are very very very very high speeds the realm is able to keep up

  • @adrielfranco2209
    @adrielfranco2209 6 месяцев назад

    I am so happy for you MisterEpic i remember seeing you playing pixel gun,now you are so famous i wish you go well my friend

  • @ManosSef
    @ManosSef 6 месяцев назад +2

    I'm currently on the free trial and I haven't had any problems with Realms. I really thought that since Mojang hosts them in the country of your choosing, the connection to Realms was perfect for everyone, hence why there is a price to pay for them, until I watched this video.

  • @DeepfriedChips
    @DeepfriedChips 6 месяцев назад +2

    Realms probably use a container system like kubernetes since Azure does provide AKS (Azure Kubernetes Service), and to allow for dynamic allocation, it probably is this as opposed to docker

  • @inksazyy
    @inksazyy Месяц назад +1

    chill im already subbed LMAO (i like the "with lots of pressure" subscribe thing)

  • @lynxara
    @lynxara 6 месяцев назад +1

    Tip: you can troubleshoot client-side problems launching Minecraft from Modrinth. It shows a console for your client stuff. If an issue is on your side, it will be there (error code)

  • @Krushing_Skulls
    @Krushing_Skulls 3 месяца назад +1

    People on bedrock edition: I don’t even have chance! 😥

  • @toukoaurava9576
    @toukoaurava9576 6 месяцев назад +1

    You can actually get some datapacks on your realm if you upload a singleplayer world with datapacks but its also extremely buggy that way

    • @toukoaurava9576
      @toukoaurava9576 6 месяцев назад +1

      nvm you legit said it right after

  • @Velocity_AU
    @Velocity_AU 6 месяцев назад

    I will give a note for realms, to play games with friends around the world, I have found realms servers to be more more stable then other server hosts. Playing Minecraft in Australia with a friend in America and another friend in Europe, and we all have pretty good ping is something i find very nice, when compared to some friend servers ive played on by 3rd party hosters which I've always had the worst ping from being in Australia

  • @tero6889
    @tero6889 6 месяцев назад

    I get that disconnect bug from normal servers sometimes too I think it has something to do with an unstable internet connection but I have got no real clue

  • @melonman7712
    @melonman7712 6 месяцев назад +1

    Realms is the biggest scam ever, I couldn’t even use it. It said I didn’t buy it, so I bought three more on accident. Then it didn’t even let me play. This happened on bedrock

  • @poorpuppy
    @poorpuppy 6 месяцев назад

    It's basically the difference between paying $20 to change your own oil or paying $65 for someone else to do it

  • @DylBro101
    @DylBro101 6 месяцев назад

    That socket exception error happened to me too, where I couldn't play whatsoever.

  • @MrBakersPops
    @MrBakersPops 6 месяцев назад

    I have a realm on Beckrock for xbox and I love it. I've had no issues for years, the backup is great and it's just easy to jump on and off. Being able to jump from xbox to my phone if I want to quickly log in to do something fast also helps

  • @qwerty222999
    @qwerty222999 6 месяцев назад

    One of my friends have a very similar issue with a realm, where he could only connect 5-20 seconds at a time with the same error. We had him disable an anti-virus software to allow him to play, but I don't know if you have any of the same sort running on your machine.

  • @blobloblob0186
    @blobloblob0186 6 месяцев назад

    As someone who has tried for 5 years to negotiate with Mojang on realms being fixed, they are hopeless. They refuse to fix the issue where it kicks everyone and constantly corrupts save files no matter what. They always insist it is a problem on our end and that we all have bad firewalls. Realms are one of the biggest scams in history

  • @SpartenNumber11
    @SpartenNumber11 6 месяцев назад

    Ive had this same issue from what I dug up it was some sort of error spat out as a result of something in my custom PC build. But it's ridiculous as there's no way to determine what in my entire build is conflicting with the game.

  • @ophew
    @ophew 6 месяцев назад +1

    I had no idea that the Java realms were so.... terrible? bullshitty? I don't know to explain. I don't usually play on Bedrock, but my friend paid for a realms on Bedrock Edition (because that's the edition that everyone in the friend group could play, since not everyone had access to Java) and we've been playing for a month now and I've never experienced any technical problems so far. The most that happened was the eventual lag or delay, but that only lasted for some seconds, and the occasional disconnect like, once or twice but that's probably on my side or something like that. Everyone plays on the realm with different devices and everything, and yet nothing like that ever happened. I mean, sure, there's the customization and simplicity problem, but it's not like that isn't already a problem on Bedrock Edition, and none of us actually cared, since we just wanted a normal vanilla game.
    edit: typo