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The Fate of Physical Games and Media
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Been pondering more about the future of physical media, especially games.
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➤ CHAPTERS
0:00 Jedi Survivor and Oversized Games
3:47 Physical Collections vs. Digital
9:15 The Future of Physical
14:56 The PC Gaming Outlier
16:30 Closing Thoughts
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they didnt give the fire house five minutes of thoughts, a fire house is an accident, when they turn off the remote server, it's premeditated
Besides, if a fire occurs at your house, you may lose your collection, but other people or a friends collection still remains. If a company decides to pull a game out of their servers it’s lost forever.
I hope physical never goes way.
It won't as long as it exists people will buy even if it's just a small percentage of us as gamer and collectors people? It's better to get the games now before they stop making certain game's available. You don't wanna spend a big money on a game better to get it now don't wait to long.
Don't just hope, make it happen. If people never stops to buy physical it will never go away.
That's why I like the switch. Since they went back to "cartridges", I buy almost all of my Switch games, at least the non indie ones, physically.
@@hyperfusiongear9050 They make it harder to buy only 1 or 2 copies in a random store thats in the back not worthy of display and the bonus of bad shipping so its destroyed in the store buy overpriced busted shit not to mention a poor version like 4k Blu-ray so noone would buy it why does it take for something like discs gone From PC and even now gamers are not aware even champion Digital only i wheep for the species called humans because they just sit idol by as more gets taken away when is it time to act before its too late mister experts companies are getting away with everything none of us are united against DRM yet we are all victoms to it
@@DioBrando-qr6ye They make it harder to buy only 1 or 2 copies in a random store thats in the back not worthy of display and the bonus of bad shipping so its destroyed in the store buy overpriced busted shit not to mention a poor version like 4k Blu-ray so noone would buy it why does it take for something like discs gone From PC and even now gamers are not aware even champion Digital only i wheep for the species called humans because they just sit idol by as more gets taken away when is it time to act before its too late mister experts companies are getting away with everything none of us are united against DRM yet we are all victoms to it
I love my PS3 and the physical copies of games I have for it. I just recently started to collect some more from my local pawn. 🍻
The point about having a steam account hacked is actually really good, I got to experience what it means to have someone hijack my account and it was not pleasant to know that if I were to get VAC banned (due to them cheating in a VAC protected game), I would've lost access to multiplayer games that use that anti cheat and I would've received a permanent "badge of shame" on my account. That didn't happen, but honestly it was thanks to pure luck.
The worst thing is that Steam won't lift a VAC ban even if you show proof of the hacking / hijacking , which made me rethink buying full price games on steam and PC gaming in general.
Now that I think about it the Xbox 360- PS3 was the last generation of video games that we kind of own and control of our games
The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth - there will be new forms of physical media in the future, preservation will keep everything alive, even though you may have to be a pirate
that one person who stated the fire house argument gotta work on priorities. If your house gets on fire having my full library burnt is the least of my friggin priorities.... dude i lost all the furniture, memories, objects, gas, electricity tools , insurance, and im hypothetically suppossed to assume that losing videogames is the worst thing i could lose in a fire ?
having to rebuild life should be the main focus now not vidoegames xD
I don't know about you but this whole situation is making me feel really miserable when spending money on games. I don't want to rent videogames, I want to own them. With the Nintendo Switch it has become nearly impossible to get physical copies. You can't expect to go into a store and get the game you want anymore. Physical copies on the Switch are treated like they're special and are a magnet for scalpers. So you either pay double or triple the regular price or buy the game on sale for ~$5 to $10 on the e-shop. The issue with digital copies is the fact that you can't make a backup without installing custom firmware on your console. Otherwise you could simply backup all your downloaded games onto a second microSD card and call it a day. So the real culprit here is DRM and DRM alone.
nintendo putting their physical releases on little sd cards was the smartest decision any publisher has made since we decided to move from floppy to cd rom. the capacity can be higher than a single cd or blu ray and there's less risk of damage like scratches or breakage.
On the fire at your house argument, if a fire occurs at your house, you may lose your collection, but other people or a friends collection still remains. If a company decides to pull a game out of their servers it’s lost forever.
LA Noire on Xbox 360 came with multiple disks. I agree with you here. It really is annoying how gaming is becoming more and more (not in your control or ownership because it's behind another layer or third party service.)
Since your main platform of gaming is consoles, solely cause of physical, allow me to shine some light on why the pc was so open to digital-only
1- Steam appeared cause Valve wanted to offer a service that would dissuade pirates. I forgot the arguments, but one of them was the automatic updates, something we take for granted these days, cause back then you either knew a patch came out and went to the dev's website to download, or it came with a dvd in a magazine, or you would be stuck playing the buggier version
2- As long as we have access to the game folder and it's files, we can tweak it to run no matter what, this means that yes, if a game stops being supported and the DRM renders the game inaccessible, provided it's not game server dependent people WILL crack their legal copies and keep a repack around for when they wanna replay it. (And repacks are pirated releases with the game files up to the recentmost version that was cracked when it was made, usually with all tweaks included when it's a repack of an older game)
3- GOG is literally a legal repacker, as you can download offline installers for the games you buy on their platform and store them on your very own local archive. What you did with those installers is up to you, but for legal reasons don't share them online obviously, as for the rest you can install on even computers that don't have GOG Galaxy nor ever connected to the internet, since those installers and games lack any kind of DRM. It's literally the company policy and their main selling point over Steam (plus, they constantly have large discounts like Steam so if you're not prioritizing them over Steam it better be because of the Steam workshop). Only problem is their selection is lower because understandably... most publishers won't risk putting their games on a DRM-free platform, but every once in a while they cave in, like Sega recently releasing the entire Yakuza series on there, so keep a regular check on new arrivals and upcoming titles, cause you never know if that game you wishlisted on Steam might come to that platform.
t. Guy with over 200 physical pc game releases since the early 90's, over 1.5k titles on Steam and almost 400 titles on GOG (a good chunk of the latter are rebuys of ones already on steam or physical)
And to show goodwill, I do still get second hand consoles and games, but I tend to mod those consoles regardless just in case
7:30 this literally happened to me. i made my psn account in 2010... I have about 500 games that's a nice mix (i will admit about 300 or so we're free monthly games)
and i was locked out of my account for months because someone put stolen credit card information on my account and bought Fifa and a bunch of dlc or whatever for it.
they eventually unbanned me when i explained i don't even play sports games like that but i wasn't able to use credit or debit cards on my account for like 5 years...only psn cards.
it soured my experience forever and its always in the back of my mind when i buy something new digitally...
Even if the entire game is stored on the disc(s), it's not much different because you still have to depend on a remote server to get the patches to fix all the bugs in the release version of the game. Plus all the DLC, which usually makes up at least 1/4 of the game.
I personally buy physical copies of games which have heavy DRM on PC, and everything else I buy for PC, and make an offline backup. My favorite platform is GOG right now, but I'll buy games on steam, and throw in goldberg's emulator for anything not available there.
I don't know if I should be depressed that my most expensive possession is my steam account
Nah dont be
Ha, yeah same. I tend to love my PC gaming a touch more due to the quirky, indie developed hits that sometimes materialize on that platform (Phasmophobia etc) but of course you have nothing physical to store away safely, or one day resell... Trying to make my newer bigger purchases on the console from now on.
I’m here from the future and Rebirth ships on two discs! I really appreciate Square for that.
Great Argument for Physical game collecting. Keep corporations from locking you out of your game library's assets.
and good bringing up how the music and film industry maintains a healthy base of physical consumers.
I only buy physical. But the industrys patch it later attitude for major releases has been a thorn in the side of game preservation.
What I discovered recently if you own physical media, if you download all of the content for a game, you can back it up to an external drive or expansion card (for Xbox) have it no matter what happens to the game on the server side. All discs have a bar code in the inner circle on the reflective side of the disc that is the license that gets read for the game to activate. If you have all of the content already downloaded and backed up, it's the strongest way to preserve physical media, albeit it may not be on the disc itself. But drive backups while retaining the disc is as good as it gets, but it's ultimately the best solution to if a game gets removed from all storefronts. I think this is because games are just wayyy too big nowadays to store it on a disc. Yeah there are double discs but very few companies will put in the money to do that unfortunately
File size is probably the biggest enemy for physical collectors. I think it will become normal for games to have more than 100 GB which means you need at least 3 discs and they will not give you that, additional downloads are the way to go and your disc becomes just a key that you can sell.
I am also concerned about the Switch successor, most publishers didn't want to make 32 GB cartridges because of production costs and those cards will probably not get cheaper with a new system, so there is a high possibility that the successor has even more downloads because the file size will increase, no doubt.
At this point I would rather go just digital and backup the files from my SD card/SSD on a computer, when they announce to shut down the servers.
Especially when Sony and Microsoft are updated system software with a virus malware bug stopping some physical games from working intentionally
I don't have a problem with physical media becoming a niche thing, but physical copies are already spotty; games released unfinished, incomplete, buggy, etc. What's the point of owning a physical copy if it doesn't have the whole, working game on it? Whilst thats not all releases, the fact there are physical releases like that bothers me. Even Limited Run have had incomplete releases, and that goes aganist their entire ethos. If digital only keeps growing in size & popularity and physical continues to decline in quality, what do you do?
I think most pro-digital people live in areas with good internet and can afford all the subscription services, so its a good choice for them. But its also an arrogant "of course it will be there" attitude, they don't consider the possibility of the service shutting down, or stuff being removed/censored, or even their own circumstances changing and becoming unable to afford all the subs.
Alan Wake 2 is the test for digital games. If people buy this it means we will get a PS6 with no disc drive! That's when I will just play my Xbox 360/PS4/PS5. Afterall the jump between consoles is not as much as it used to be so the older titles still remain very playable. You're even better off gaming on PC than a console with no disc drive because it's easier for the hackers to enable your legally purchased games to work if servers go offline and business fail.
I will boycott for that very reason
Drm free digital is the best of both worlds. Sadly, you don't see it much outside of music.
This conversation can be taken outside videogames and into the essence of what we mean by things (as in the thing itself) and what ownership of objects is. Because not just physical media, but everything in the world that has a physical component seems to be evaporating like steam. Even people, who have a physical presence, their physical presence in the world isn't moving or doing things as much as their digitised presence. You first won't build your house, then you won't own it, and soon you won't live in it. But all the while digital spaces are increasing.
I really think physical vs digital in gaming has more ramifications than just gaming. It's instead an example most people can understand about this steam effect I'm talking about here. We give objects meaning and value, but you can see how meaning is taken away.
0:50 Just put it on two discs. We've been doing that since the mid-90s...
Very well described. I’ll try to keep my stuff as long as I can
I think physical media is a dying technology but I also believe digital media will fall shortly after. The way the industry is looking cloud gaming and streaming will be the new normal for gaming. We have seen this in all other forms of media including books. Companies like Microsoft and Google are pushing hard and setting up a lot of their infrastructure for subscription cloud based gaming. Their success in this area will just prompt other platforms to follow. I love physical media but it will eventually become a limited market for a particular community of people
Thank you for being the first video I've seen on this subject that isn't just ranting about how "physical rules, digital sucks"
Physical media will never die it's available world wide so it's always available somewhere
No DVD on my country
Piracy is your friend.
I personally prefer digital, but without the downsides, but this only comes with the existence of physical. I couldn't rip my games without the disc, so physical is kind've necessary. Although, with most new games, online is pretty much required for half the features, so is what it is.
Digital deluxe undermines physical a lot lol ill never forget atelier sophie 2 for letting me have sprint with digital deluxe (physical you can't run fast at first 😂). Then of course art/sound. Ultimate is overkill sometimes.
It is funny to see sonic games cheaper than digital, and sonic origins plus with that dlc code for amy/game gear got much better with a $10 price drop, and it has a physical art book. Switch code in box is an abomination.
11:44 xbox series s digital only is justified. I do see vid mentioned ps5 physical sells more, which yeah ps5 slim punishes by costing more to buy detachable disc drive separately, it needs to be paired to even bundled console, and won't work with old model.
There is a difference though. Where the technology to play a vinyl record has not evolved, the technology needed to play the newest games constantly will evolve. So if only a small minority prefers physical, it won't be worth the investment of developing a console that can play the games. It will be streaming only from then on. At that point i will probably stop buying new games.
I didn't buy star wars survivor. I wanted to but if it's not on disc screw that.
I'll pick it up when it's dirt cheap.
For the switch, many old games don't work with the newer OS version, so even if the full game is in the cartridge, you can't play them without an update. So collecting for the nintendo switch is not worth it
So publihers decide to make physical release of game and its 2, 3,or 4 discs that will make cost of game higher and then everyone will bitch about that. Its not practical
If physical goes away from gaming so will my money. Win for me because I will save a lot of money. I’m not going to invest I something I don’t have ownership of, it’s stupid.
What about GOG on PC?
Digital only Like a subsciption fee adding to a server account Microsoft Sony physical you can have game by game
bro's house is on fire but he think its ok cuz his game is all digital ,even his whole game set is brunt now LMAO🤣
Physical media is better for the consumer than digital due to the DRM that it's encumbered with (no selling and price decided only by the large corporations). People say it's the public that drive the market but in actual fact it's the large corporations that push the market. If rumours are true that the PS5 slim will have a detachable disc drive then this is a perfect example. Large companies can't just get rid of the disc because gamers will revolt. So they condition us to believe it's a dying technology and make it more of a hassle to use by having it as an extra purchase. Alan Wake 2 is the test so they can gage how close they are to making that decision to make the next generation a disc free zone.
I can 100% call that argument BS cause you clearly never played a PC game in the 00's. These days most of their DRM doesn't work because back then they moved from offline disc check DRM like the old days to online check on game launch, meaning the player is screwed if they had spotty internet or had an extremely limited internet like dad being the only one in the house with internet connection on his pc through a dongle and the player having to be offline 90% of the time. Guess what though, the servers that did that DRM check shut down years ago, and now even if you legally own the physical copy and play connected to the internet on a pc the game was 100% compatible with, the game WILL NOT LAUNCH.
@@OfficialDJSoru I'm referring to consoles. If I buy a disc based game on PS4 it's mine. I can play it 10 or even 20 years into the future (hardware permitting) and if my hardware did die and I bought a new PS4 I can put the disc in and it will always run some kind of version. However, If I buy digital games and install them on my PS4 they are locked to that console unless I re-download them to another console. Everything is fine while the servers are up but once they "drop support" it will be a different story. The PS4 will no longer be able to log in and connect to the PSN and as a result no more downloading and no games. Now it's easy to think.... who cares about old games? Well.... I played the original half life last month. Its still good and that came out in the late 90s. If they drop the disc drive I will stop using consoles since the advantage of putting a disc in and playing will be null and void. I might as well go PC as you can get some nice ones with a small footprint these days and drm won't be an issue (like you said) because someone will just hack it off. The Xbox has all of this internet connected stuff but nobodies able to get round it as yet so I just don't bother with that brand at all now.
@@OfficialDJSoru But yes, I am familiar with the old CD key stuff we did back then. PC game DRM is easy to remove but the Xbox is not. You can't even add a user account for your friend without him or her logging into a server using their Microsoft ID. Playstation has an option to say "skip this step" but when I clicked a similar option on the Xbox all I got was a message saying something like "it's okay we'll wait....". It was at that moment I just put the xbox back in its box and returned it to the shop as you know from that point forward everything will require servers and online checks which won't be around when they drop support. I refuse to spend hundreds of dollars on games for a system which will stop working when some board members (who no not even play games) decide its no longer profitable for their company.
@@ceasarsalad119 just a friendly advice if you start getting more titles on PC, if you see a game you like on Steam, see if GOG has it. Saves you the trouble of having to crack the game if anything happens to the steam version down the line (you literally can download offline installers for your GOG purchases).
Sadly we cannot update physical copies of games else I could get GT5 and 6 with the latest update on disc and not need to connect to PSN
Unfortunately, physical gaming media is pretty much dead. The nature of modern gaming means that the disc is used for little more than a license to access the game and only of benefit for those who like to fill shelves or need to sell their games. Publishers and stores will withdraw from selling physical and I think it's 50/50 that next gen consoles will have an optical drive. I'm not saying that I'm happy with this situation but it's a reality.
My entire game collection is digital. I have around 50 games in my digital library
And it is worth $0 on the second hand market
@@Pikmin3388 What is your point
@@Pikmin3388i too buy only digital simply cause even when i used to buh physical i never sell my games even the ones i hate
I do collections and i love the idea of a virtual collection
Its more convinient also cooler imo
So even if its 0$ on second hand market
It isnt a market that i use
This basically. The few times I resold physical games I always felt it was a bad deal so I stopped selling my used copies altogether, just giving out accidental duplicates.@@neos606
@Pikmin3388 not everyone is a broke ass. Most people don't care about that
Yea just never delete anything to keep everything
They are screwing people left and right the Star Wars fans big time
Pc no longer having physical games really gets on my nerves. Id rather put in a disc and have individual launchers than deal with a storefront that could one day disappear and take all my games with it.
or they could just stop making big ass games
I just stopped buying games period. Well anything new or off Steam/GOG/Epic/etc... Not into rentals, I like to be able to sell game when I am done with it. I am fine playing all the classics.. Plenty of CD games to keep me busy for the rest of my life.. Could care less what they come out with next.. I don't want real, I just have to visit any city for real experience.. I want something to pass the time, cartoonish not real but fun.
Drm free digital is the best of both worlds. Sadly, you don't see it much outside of music.