I can almost guaranteed if they just preserved the 1938 20th Century Limited with the Dreyfuss Hudson and use it as a luxury passenger train in modern New York, everyone around the world would come to New York to ride it.
The issue unfortunately is the pollution factor and it takes longer to fire up and get up to speed. Fuel costs would be high, too. Still, I would ride it. Anybody here filthy rich?
It's kind of neat to see in those last two scenes the north and south side of breakneck Ridge and the Bear mountain bridge in the background of one of the first scenes, I hiked there often. I've stood by the tracks and said to myself can you imagine the Hudsons used to run through here I wish I could've seen that. I guess seeing the video is good enough. Thanks for posting it.
You should download Trainz: A New Era. You can drive one of these, but you have to get it off the Download Station. It's pretty simple, and if you want to go through with it, I'll give you a step-by-step guide once you get the game.
It's a damn shame none of these beauties survived. I'd do almost anything to see these sleek steamers haul the 20th century limited or empire state express once more.
Zaffre well this may sound crazy but I’m gonna try to start my own project for a J3a Hudson, I even plan to give it a removable Dreyfuss shroud later on
You know, I have always wondered; Is it more painful growing up in the modern era knowing these beauties of the rails no longer exist, or growing up with them and seeing them disappear over the years?
always had a thing for the looks of the Dreyfuss hudsons, when I was a kid, the style, and smooth lines, the knife edge prow always proclaimed this is the future, and we are headed there at the fastest of all possible speeds--- what the hell happened?, so much for progress.
@2013 Dodge Grand Caravan we abandoned our favored trains. Steam trains to us were our friends, and were alive. The breathed, and could talk. They represented America. We scrapped them
A lovely 1 minute, 27 seconds, thank you. I'll never, ever, get over they're not saving one (1) of the NYC's fleet of 275 of these beauties. It's bad enough not one of the 26 later Niagaras wasn't saved, but at least with Union Pacific No. 844, we can see a very close ALCO design cousin. NYC engineers slipped the 79-inch driving wheels of a Hudson J3a on greased rails 11.3 revolutions per second on test, the equivalent of 164 mph.
If only we could travel back time to ride he’s amazing steam engines but this is why we make these videos so that future generations like us can watch these and reflect on the good times that used to be and live in the moment that is here and with the future looks bright sometimes it’s always good to reflect!!
They did build a copy of a 4-6-2 from scratch in the UK recently, it' not cheap, it took something like 20 or 30 years of fund-raising to pull it off. There is a NYC Mohawk (4-8-2) at the NYC museum in Elkhardt that could POSSIBLY be restored if you want to get involved and lead the effort, lots of luck!! No idea what it would take to restore it. The best restoration candidates are obviously ones which had a major overhaul shortly before being retired.
All the clips in this video were taken along the Hudson River on the NYC Hudson Division between Harmon, NY (33 miles north of Grand Central Terminal) and Albany. Steam had disappeared from this part of the Central by late 1953 (it lasted a few years more in parts of the Midwest). (Note that at 0:36 an NYC Pacific makes a cameo appearance.)
The ex-NYC Toledo Division runs about 25 miles north of my home. If i could go back in time say the mid-1940's, even for just an evening, I would head up there to watch the fleet pass by! Be something to see an actual Hudson, or Niagara in every-day svc!
beautiful and fascinating video. I never got to see the NYC steamers, I was born in '63, and in Chicago too. I did get to see plenty of the NYC freight rolling stock, esp the boxcars.
The Hudsons s3a is one of the most beautiful engines. In the year my father was in NY 43-4 I'm sure he would have seen the Hudson s3a's go. In some ways with the NW J its the absolute express engine, the Niagra and Pennsvania Duplex being understandable responses to huge wartime demand , but simply too large and complex for a high speed express engine and would inevitably mechanically start to fracture and a few years list. My father said the American superpower achieved power levels at speed ( over 80) that was 'almost' nuclear power. He often studies the NZ JA's around Timaru, which I thought an amazingly unlikely interest for him. The JA is an immensely brilliant lightweight passenger flyer, but the marginal balance and lack of power weight on the driving axles means the slipping was often as mind blowing as a West Country trying starting to move out of Timaru. I think theres a film ' All clear for 143' "All clear for 144' out of Timaru is actually one of the mindblowing calls in steam railway history. 2hrs 25 minutes for the 100 miles to Christchurch with a compulsory stop at Temuka and a second compulsory stop for five minutes at Ashburton and stop on demand at Orari, Rakaia , Burnham. If they were 20 minutes late out of Timaru the running would be awesome, and out of Ashburton on the downhull stretch out of Rakaia, slamming through road crossings at mind blowing speed, passing traffic running at 70mph though it didnt exist ( Leitch 68) they were going as hard as the Bornnemouth Belle- the timetable is nearly as mindblowing. And if they had ever got the ultimate JA the oil fired North British built JA, out of Timaru on144, even once, it might have been the fastest steam ride in history. The 1951 JA design specifications in more than a way are as mind blow as the NW J or the NYC J3a
I like the name Twentieth Century Limited much better than Lake Shore Limited for a passenger train. If I were the Amtrak President, I would have the Lake Shore Limited renamed the Twentieth Century Limited even though we are in the Twenty-First Century. New York Central not only had Hudson locomotives, but also Mohawks, Niagaras and Berkshires. The last time I seen a steam engine pull a freight was in the early spring of 1958. I lived in the Town of Tonawanda, just North of my birthplace of Buffalo, NY, I lived exactly estimated at best 750 feet from the Niagara Falls line of the New York Central railroad. It was a Niagara locomotive, most likely on either its last run or one of it's last runs. Today the rail line runs as far as North Tonawanda, in 1964 New York Central dismantled their line to Niagara Falls from Buffalo from North Tonawanda to Niagara Falls. From North Tonawanda to Niagara Falls the Lehigh Valley, Erie Lackawanna and New York Central shard one set of tracks.
Let's not jump the gun, people have started building new steam locomotives, and some say steam power might prove to be more efficient if implemented correctly.
"Hey, we gotta get with the times, let's scrap all of these beauties!" (A FEW YEARS LATER) "...I regret to inform you all that we'll be merging with the Pennsylvania Railroad and the little we made on scrap will not save us. Also we'll be called Penn Central." "Who the hell put you in charge?"
Great vid, esp. like the shot coming out of the tunnel. The PRR may have been the Standard RR of the World, but the NYC had class and the Water Level Route = Fast trains
These locomotives were the New York Central's star attraction locomotive for passenger service before World War ll and it's a true shame that not 1 of these 275 Hudson locomotives were preserved for public display. The NYC railroad Hudson types were spectacular locomotives, especially the Hudsons equipped with the Dreyfuss design streamlined body casing and I would really love to see a Dreyfuss Hudson engine have been preserved. It's a true tragedy that the NYC didn't save any Hudson or Niagara 4-8-4 type locomotives from being scrapped at the end of the steam era during the mid-late 1950s.
Paul Kiefer, principal designer of the Hudson was also the light behind the Niagara introduced late in 1945 to cope with ever heavier trains while maintaining overall speed of the 20th Century Limited and other crack trains on "the Water Level Route," as the NYC billed itself. BTW, at 1:02, it's the fireman waving. The engineer sat on the right. But you're right. We lost some of our national soul when we abandoned steam.
@dcoursey82 I understand. My point stems from CSX and NS's ancestors (SCL & N&W) welcoming the steamers in conjunction with Operation Life Saver back in the 80s. I worked on the 614's train. Super experience. Plus the railroads got a tax break for running those excursions. You're right. Since then our society has become more lawsuit happy then ever. Plus the 1960s era CEOs and managers that were around in the 80s that were partial to steamers are retired and/or deceased.
@daveandtracymurphy What kind of Hudson is she? A J1-A, a J1-B, a J1-E, a Dreyfuss, a J2, a J3? Which one is it? The 2 Hudsons that are running today is a J1-B and some other kind of J1 that has a bell infront. That J1-B's number is 5212. The other Hudson's number is 6088. They run in a miniature version of the New York Central System. It's called "Sonoma Train Town Railroad." It first strated getting built in the 30's. The 5212 was built in 1938. The 6088 was built in 2009. But they look alike.
What happened to us the "friendly" Americans? Seeing the engineer wave at 1:02 as he passed by brought on a memory pang; As a kid, I would pedal as fast as I could to get to the tracks whenever I heard the Eastbound whistle just to be able to wave and receive a wave-back from the engineer or extra whistling. I remember we'd tell one another about going to Federal prison if we'd ever got caught with "lucky" flattened pennys as it was proof we'd put coins on the track so we shouldn't show adults.
A good idea in theory, but the business of running excursion locomotives is different in the UK than in the USA. Even if a group were to succeed in building a new Hudson, where would it run?
Its sad there are no Hudsons left but I do know this guy in Indiana who has a 4-8-2 Mohawk #3001 its in pretty good condition but it has been sitting outside for years though
@dcoursey82 possibly on old former New York Central Tracks? The idea wolud be brilliant because America only has a few steam locomotives that still work and we need alot more
...This is essentially the situation you have with Steam Operators and Class 1 railroads today. No steam excursion can be considered a revenue run because it's not generating revenue for the host railroad. Any profits made (If Profits are made) on the excursion goes to the event organizers. Sure, they could charge a fee for use of the line, but railroads like CSX and NS make way more money in a days worth of revenue runs than any steam excursion could.
@HaloCE14 yeah thats a good idea they should definitely do that i hope they do soon before she rusts away which is sad, they should have a barn for her to be in away from the elements.
Great footage and never seen it before.The 20th Century Limited was known all the World and even here Down Under. Find some more footage and post it !!! Well done.
Nice Video, I'm wondering if it's worth getting, the sounds in this recording don't seem to always fit in with the shot, I'm guessing some of it is dubed in? I'm looking for pure NYC sound... No dubs.. Looking into HR's NYC series as well But It's Shot In Ohio, Rather far from where i live on the NYC's old "West Shore line", Or CSX's Riverline now adays... And NYC's CMB.
@Driverman2008 I agree. They were some of the most remarkable steam engines in the whole world - an amazing record of speed, reliability, maintainance. If only that J Class wasn't hidden away in Roanoke or somewhere. Chapelon's steam masterpiece was quickly cut up - an 'embarassment' ... it was easily outperforming the ELECTRIC traction that had just "superceded' steam & diesel! It's the nostalgia of 'what ifs'. We all love.... "what if the little team had beaten the big team?" :-)
@dcoursey82 Do you know why CSX and NS no longer allow steamers on their mainlines? That's saddening. Back in the 80s we had the Chessie 614, N&W 611, and the NKP 765 running around the U.S.
@HaloCE14 aw man i should have knew she wasn't running because of the lack of money, but yep thats where shes at right next to the NS main lines going into the yard.
The mohawk though, would have to be converted into oil burning. It would be much more expensive if it ran off coal. Not to mention, the engine would have to follow Amtrak's locomotive guidelines/laws in order for it to run. Also, the locomotive would need new parts which i can guarantee aren't cheap
@legotrainstudio13 ...again, good in theory, but in reality it simply is not realistic. Most if not all of the former NYC trackage now belongs to either CSX or NS who have a very strict policy of not allowing steam locomotives to run on their own power on the mainline. People need to educate themselves on all the technical hurdles involved in running a steam engine instead of thinking "I would like for one to run, therefore it should happen."
@dcoursey82 It could be sold to a railroad, would give the builders money and the railroad a source of excursion revenue and publicity, although locomotives are less respected here than in Britain, so...
No, But the Milwaukee Road's F7 Hiawatha Super Hudsons would have, they had bigger drivers and higher operatingsteam pressures than that the NYC Hudsons, design to cruise in the triplr digits, and they often did, but they were miles away in prestigious recognition compared to the 20th Century Hudsons.
Last I heard China still had a factory that could build a steam locomotive. All depends on funds to build it. I'm sure if someone had an endless supply of dough, a Drefuss 20th Century streamliner could roll out of their shops, onto a ship and to the states easily. So long as the blue prints were accurate and a place was prepared for it to operate. Truly a shame NYC didn't save a single J-3 class. Progress has done away with steam and replaced it with texting teenage brats!
@ACLTony ..People tend to think that CSX and NS's policies are made almost out of spite, and without any kind of sound reasoning behind it, but what it boils down to is that they are both businesses that are out to make MONEY...they have to sustain themselves somehow. Suppose CSX allowed a steamer to operate on its tracks....not only does it hold up other revenue runs, but it also attracts hordes of people following the train around, crowding around grade crossings to take pictures, and even
Everything in mainline steam excursions changed forever when the NS employee steam fan trip went all over the ground with the president of the railroad at the throttle. Liability insurance ceased to be viable for this purpose.
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
standing on the tracks as the train approaches. It's all very dangerous, and if an accident were to happen, who is liable? CSX. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective to risk so much. In reality, CSX and NS are blameless...the problem is sympathetic juries and lawsuit happy miscreants.
I like Alfred Perlman. He did good things for his railroad. But he did not do the best job picking engines for preservation. The single Mohawk saved would have been very well accompianied by a Niagra and a Hudson. (sigh)
Your facts are 100% in error. Two Mohawks and two Hudsons were *SOLD* by the RR to the only buyers which stepped up at the time, not counting the other smaller steam locos which did trickle out. And even when some short time passed and one thinks someone would have had the idea to save the Hudsons at least, NO ONE DID - excepting the tender from one of them. Plenty of source based reading available on the topic.
There is gonna be a new york central Hudson named Connor and have a number called 40 from ttte and it will have a speedometer that goes from 0mph to 200mph and at 200mph it overheats and the parts begins to come loose and then it passes 200mph and then the voiler explodes and it begins to overheat a little bit at 175 and it can travel from 90mph to 170mph and it will be 20th same size as the fl9 and it will have a pantograph and it will travel from Washington dc to Boston union station and it will have 2 pantographs and one will be at the middle of the tender and one at the front of the boiler and it will be powerd by electricity and will used on the NEC, Keysrone corridor, metra electric line, Canada electric train line, and it will be completed in 2021 and it will be running every day and also every day before veterans day it will be repainted into veterans unit NYC Hudson #40 and on veterans day it pulls the Circus train from harrisburg on the keystone corridor to boston
I can almost guaranteed if they just preserved the 1938 20th Century Limited with the Dreyfuss Hudson and use it as a luxury passenger train in modern New York, everyone around the world would come to New York to ride it.
That's right. And I would be one of that people
@@davicarvalho9435 same
The issue unfortunately is the pollution factor and it takes longer to fire up and get up to speed. Fuel costs would be high, too. Still, I would ride it. Anybody here filthy rich?
diesel pollutes more than steam
@@samuelbenge524 I Got an Idea New York Central's running on Amtrak Wound NYC J3a 5406 be back.
finally, a New York Central 4-6-4 movie without annoying narration or background music
and with sound
@@rafe5556 It’s testy if the sound is authentic or not
@@AdmiralColdheadIt clearly isn't, I know some videos that for sure has the original audios of it
It's kind of neat to see in those last two scenes the north and south side of breakneck Ridge and the Bear mountain bridge in the background of one of the first scenes, I hiked there often. I've stood by the tracks and said to myself can you imagine the Hudsons used to run through here I wish I could've seen that. I guess seeing the video is good enough. Thanks for posting it.
Beautiful! The J-Class Hudsons were works of art. Thank you for posting :)
Man those streamliners are so good looking I want to go back in time to ride one, (let alone drive one)!!
You should download Trainz: A New Era. You can drive one of these, but you have to get it off the Download Station. It's pretty simple, and if you want to go through with it, I'll give you a step-by-step guide once you get the game.
It's a damn shame none of these beauties survived. I'd do almost anything to see these sleek steamers haul the 20th century limited or empire state express once more.
K&l trainz a very popular steam pay ware maker is remaking the nyc dreyfuss, he also has the Niagara and j3.
Zaffre well this may sound crazy but I’m gonna try to start my own project for a J3a Hudson, I even plan to give it a removable Dreyfuss shroud later on
they are building a new one actually :D
Well.....
Some did survive
@@theflyingscotsman4472 yes
These Magnificent creatures are truly one of the worlds greatest losses.
You know, I have always wondered; Is it more painful growing up in the modern era knowing these beauties of the rails no longer exist, or growing up with them and seeing them disappear over the years?
Good question. I would say seeing them disappear.
Disappear would be more painful in my opinion
Modern era. At least you saw them before they disappeared
NYC Hudson J3a was Maximum speed 177km/h(110mph).
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I love J3a Hudsons.
I love the Hudsons so much, especially the 20th Century limited streamlined ones, they are just so classic and sleek at the same time
Great to see my all time favorite engines running!
always had a thing for the looks of the Dreyfuss hudsons, when I was a kid, the style, and smooth lines, the knife edge prow always proclaimed this is the future, and we are headed there at the fastest of all possible speeds--- what the hell happened?, so much for progress.
@2013 Dodge Grand Caravan we abandoned our favored trains. Steam trains to us were our friends, and were alive. The breathed, and could talk. They represented America. We scrapped them
We should make one
@@railpicsandvids We still have steam locos, like Big Boys, 2 K4s, Consolidations, Mikados, etc
@@ArnavKhode not this one
@@railpicsandvids Which
A lovely 1 minute, 27 seconds, thank you. I'll never, ever, get over they're not saving one (1) of the NYC's fleet of 275 of these beauties. It's bad enough not one of the 26
later Niagaras wasn't saved, but at least with Union Pacific No. 844, we can see
a very close ALCO design cousin.
NYC engineers slipped the 79-inch driving wheels of a Hudson J3a on greased rails
11.3 revolutions per second on test, the equivalent of 164 mph.
WOW!!!! Today's trains lack a lot compared to these!! Thank you for sharing!!
What's your Hudson.
ITS NOT TRAIN
@@tessant141 yes, it is
@@tessant141It is
If only we could travel back time to ride he’s amazing steam engines but this is why we make these videos so that future generations like us can watch these and reflect on the good times that used to be and live in the moment that is here and with the future looks bright sometimes it’s always good to reflect!!
They did build a copy of a 4-6-2 from scratch in the UK recently, it' not cheap, it took something like 20 or 30 years of fund-raising to pull it off. There is a NYC Mohawk (4-8-2) at the NYC museum in Elkhardt that could POSSIBLY be restored if you want to get involved and lead the effort, lots of luck!! No idea what it would take to restore it. The best restoration candidates are obviously ones which had a major overhaul shortly before being retired.
All the clips in this video were taken along the Hudson River on the NYC Hudson Division between Harmon, NY (33 miles north of Grand Central Terminal) and Albany. Steam had disappeared from this part of the Central by late 1953 (it lasted a few years more in parts of the Midwest).
(Note that at 0:36 an NYC Pacific makes a cameo appearance.)
The ex-NYC Toledo Division runs about 25 miles north of my home. If i could go back in time say the mid-1940's, even for just an evening, I would head up there to watch the fleet pass by! Be something to see an actual Hudson, or Niagara in every-day svc!
beautiful and fascinating video. I never got to see the NYC steamers, I was born in '63, and in Chicago too. I did get to see plenty of the NYC freight rolling stock, esp the boxcars.
The last one, I can’t tell but either the fireman or the engineer sticks his hand out the window to wave! That’s too cool.
Oops, I mean the second to last one.
The Hudsons s3a is one of the most beautiful engines. In the year my father was in NY 43-4 I'm sure he would have seen the Hudson s3a's go. In some ways with the NW J its the absolute express engine, the Niagra and Pennsvania Duplex being understandable responses to huge wartime demand , but simply too large and complex for a high speed express engine and would inevitably mechanically start to fracture and a few years list. My father said the American superpower achieved power levels at speed ( over 80) that was 'almost' nuclear power. He often studies the NZ JA's around Timaru, which I thought an amazingly unlikely interest for him. The JA is an immensely brilliant lightweight passenger flyer, but the marginal balance and lack of power weight on the driving axles means the slipping was often as mind blowing as a West Country trying starting to move out of Timaru. I think theres a film ' All clear for 143' "All clear for 144' out of Timaru is actually one of the mindblowing calls in steam railway history. 2hrs 25 minutes for the 100 miles to Christchurch with a compulsory stop at Temuka and a second compulsory stop for five minutes at Ashburton and stop on demand at Orari, Rakaia , Burnham. If they were 20 minutes late out of Timaru the running would be awesome, and out of Ashburton on the downhull stretch out of Rakaia, slamming through road crossings at mind blowing speed, passing traffic running at 70mph though it didnt exist ( Leitch 68) they were going as hard as the Bornnemouth Belle- the timetable is nearly as mindblowing. And if they had ever got the ultimate JA the oil fired North British built JA, out of Timaru on144, even once, it might have been the fastest steam ride in history. The 1951 JA design specifications in more than a way are as mind blow as the NW J or the NYC J3a
N& W, Class J is beautiful
Funny how a late version of a Hudson could make the trip to Chicago from New York in 15-17 hours when it now takes around 18-22 hours for Amtrak
The first whistle sound effect sounded like Pere Marquette 1225's whistle.
True!
Nick Deluna tbh all the videos I find of Hudsons sound like her
It’s 765
They all sound like 1225s
I agree lol
I like the name Twentieth Century Limited much better than Lake Shore Limited for a
passenger train. If I were the Amtrak President, I would have the Lake Shore Limited
renamed the Twentieth Century Limited even though we are in the Twenty-First Century.
New York Central not only had Hudson locomotives, but also Mohawks, Niagaras and
Berkshires. The last time I seen a steam engine pull a freight was in the early spring
of 1958. I lived in the Town of Tonawanda, just North of my birthplace of Buffalo, NY,
I lived exactly estimated at best 750 feet from the Niagara Falls line of the New York
Central railroad. It was a Niagara locomotive, most likely on either its last run or one of
it's last runs. Today the rail line runs as far as North Tonawanda, in 1964 New York Central
dismantled their line to Niagara Falls from Buffalo from North Tonawanda to Niagara Falls.
From North Tonawanda to Niagara Falls the Lehigh Valley, Erie Lackawanna and New York
Central shard one set of tracks.
I love the 1938 streamlined NYC Hudsons for the 20th Century Limited!
Here's an idea to consider for future high speed trains. What if the dreyfuss steam locomotive design was applied to a high speed steam locomotive?
+Nathan Hilarides Are you being facetious? I mean-- it WAS. :)
Steam locomotives won't make a comeback. Sorry, but it's the truth.
Let's not jump the gun, people have started building new steam locomotives, and some say steam power might prove to be more efficient if implemented correctly.
One day I want to build a full scale replica of the NYC hudson
Some billionaire railfan should contract with NS to construct a classic J1 Hudson with spoked drivers. That would be the ultimate heritage unit.
My favorite Hudson is the 5212 at Sonoma Train Town Railroad. She's cute and beautiful and even has a Hudson whistle! And she survived!
Zoniel um you know it's a model Roth not a real Hudson
"Hey, we gotta get with the times, let's scrap all of these beauties!"
(A FEW YEARS LATER)
"...I regret to inform you all that we'll be merging with the Pennsylvania Railroad and the little we made on scrap will not save us. Also we'll be called Penn Central."
"Who the hell put you in charge?"
Stupid comment....
@@samuelbenge524 what?
@@samuelbenge524 How in the hell, is hell offensive...
@@fanfictionsoundtracks6832 sorry about that. You were just "letting off steam..."
See what I did there?
You know, they could always have custom shrouds made for the surviving mohawks and Pacifics. I would most certainly buy a ticket to see it
Great video, I love the scene at :59
Absolutely fantastic nostalgia, with some real wheelslip heard @ 0:39 !
Great vid, esp. like the shot coming out of the tunnel.
The PRR may have been the Standard RR of the World, but the NYC had class and the Water Level Route = Fast trains
These locomotives were the New York Central's star attraction locomotive for passenger service before World War ll and it's a true shame that not 1 of these 275 Hudson locomotives were preserved for public display. The NYC railroad Hudson types were spectacular locomotives, especially the Hudsons equipped with the Dreyfuss design streamlined body casing and I would really love to see a Dreyfuss Hudson engine have been preserved. It's a true tragedy that the NYC didn't save any Hudson or Niagara 4-8-4 type locomotives from being scrapped at the end of the steam era during the mid-late 1950s.
I have been trackside at most all these locations in the Diesel era , the cinders are still a foot deep along the ROW .
Brilliant
This is it!
Most Beautiful Trains ever
Paul Kiefer, principal designer of the Hudson was also the light behind the Niagara
introduced late in 1945 to cope with ever heavier trains while maintaining overall
speed of the 20th Century Limited and other crack trains on "the Water Level Route,"
as the NYC billed itself.
BTW, at 1:02, it's the fireman waving. The engineer sat on the right. But you're right.
We lost some of our national soul when we abandoned steam.
The NYC Hudsons along The River.
@dcoursey82 I understand. My point stems from CSX and NS's ancestors (SCL & N&W) welcoming the steamers in conjunction with Operation Life Saver back in the 80s. I worked on the 614's train. Super experience. Plus the railroads got a tax break for running those excursions. You're right. Since then our society has become more lawsuit happy then ever. Plus the 1960s era CEOs and managers that were around in the 80s that were partial to steamers are retired and/or deceased.
Very nice video. Thanks for uploading and thumbs up!
@daveandtracymurphy What kind of Hudson is she? A J1-A, a J1-B, a J1-E, a Dreyfuss, a J2, a J3? Which one is it? The 2 Hudsons that are running today is a J1-B and some other kind of J1 that has a bell infront. That J1-B's number is 5212. The other Hudson's number is 6088. They run in a miniature version of the New York Central System. It's called "Sonoma Train Town Railroad." It first strated getting built in the 30's. The 5212 was built in 1938. The 6088 was built in 2009. But they look alike.
The Zoniel Zone the dreyfuss locomotives were j3a aka "superhudsons"
What happened to us the "friendly" Americans? Seeing the engineer wave at 1:02 as he passed by brought on a memory pang; As a kid, I would pedal as fast as I could to get to the tracks whenever I heard the Eastbound whistle just to be able to wave and receive a wave-back from the engineer or extra whistling. I remember we'd tell one another about going to Federal prison if we'd ever got caught with "lucky" flattened pennys as it was proof we'd put coins on the track so we shouldn't show adults.
I Love Hudsons.
I love the Dry fuss Hudson.
A good idea in theory, but the business of running excursion locomotives is different in the UK than in the USA. Even if a group were to succeed in building a new Hudson, where would it run?
A lot of this old film footage has dubed in sound after the fact. You can tell on most of these. Nice footage though.
@Driverman2008 But there are other Hudsons around. Besides, there's also miniature replicas of NYC Hudsons that you can ride on.
Yeah right
Its sad there are no Hudsons left but I do know this guy in Indiana who has a 4-8-2 Mohawk #3001 its in pretty good condition but it has been sitting outside for years though
1:00 here's come conner!
@dcoursey82 possibly on old former New York Central Tracks? The idea wolud be brilliant because America only has a few steam locomotives that still work and we need alot more
...This is essentially the situation you have with Steam Operators and Class 1 railroads today. No steam excursion can be considered a revenue run because it's not generating revenue for the host railroad. Any profits made (If Profits are made) on the excursion goes to the event organizers. Sure, they could charge a fee for use of the line, but railroads like CSX and NS make way more money in a days worth of revenue runs than any steam excursion could.
I can’t believe this video is as old as me
Connor!
Great Job NYC, Great Job on Scrapping All Hudsons and Niagras, [insert slow clapping]
@HaloCE14 yeah thats a good idea they should definitely do that i hope they do soon before she rusts away which is sad, they should have a barn for her to be in away from the elements.
Even just ONE of them was too many for the NYC to keep, even just tucked away in a museum.
The 999 is in Chicago - That's ONE
Great footage and never seen it before.The 20th Century Limited was known all the World and even here Down Under.
Find some more footage and post it !!!
Well done.
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Nice Video, I'm wondering if it's worth getting, the sounds in this recording don't seem to always fit in with the shot, I'm guessing some of it is dubed in? I'm looking for pure NYC sound... No dubs.. Looking into HR's NYC series as well But It's Shot In Ohio, Rather far from where i live on the NYC's old "West Shore line", Or CSX's Riverline now adays... And NYC's CMB.
@Driverman2008
I agree. They were some of the most remarkable steam engines in the whole world - an amazing record of speed, reliability, maintainance.
If only that J Class wasn't hidden away in Roanoke or somewhere. Chapelon's steam masterpiece was quickly cut up - an 'embarassment' ... it was easily outperforming the ELECTRIC traction that had just "superceded' steam & diesel!
It's the nostalgia of 'what ifs'. We all love.... "what if the little team had beaten the big team?" :-)
@HaloCE14 lol yeah , they have that E9 and her coaches they are in good condition, and yeah all the display is just rusting away.
the dreyfruss hudson is the best one of all the hudsons.
The whistle of the Hudson sounds like Pere Marquette 1225s whistle
@dcoursey82 Do you know why CSX and NS no longer allow steamers on their mainlines? That's saddening. Back in the 80s we had the Chessie 614, N&W 611, and the NKP 765 running around the U.S.
Sure, they needed the money and the president felt that there was no reason to save anything. We are lucky we have the two Mohawks around.
It is a shame none survived. We should be great-full for what steam trains did.
@HaloCE14 aw man i should have knew she wasn't running because of the lack of money, but yep thats where shes at right next to the NS main lines going into the yard.
Well....there is a Chesapeake and Ohio hudson at the B&O train museum in downtown Baltimore, MD. It isn't the same as the NYC though
Beautiful... on 0:37, that's a Pacific, (a K3-something???) not a Hudson.
Rail and machine; fire, smoke and steam
@Driverman2008 all in the name of progress :/
Other than the PRR K4s, this is my other passion !
Ya I kinda figured nothing can compare to them
The mohawk though, would have to be converted into oil burning. It would be much more expensive if it ran off coal. Not to mention, the engine would have to follow Amtrak's locomotive guidelines/laws in order for it to run. Also, the locomotive would need new parts which i can guarantee aren't cheap
0:48 is that pm 1225's whistle
And with NYC Hudson steamlinig locomotive
@legotrainstudio13 ...again, good in theory, but in reality it simply is not realistic. Most if not all of the former NYC trackage now belongs to either CSX or NS who have a very strict policy of not allowing steam locomotives to run on their own power on the mainline. People need to educate themselves on all the technical hurdles involved in running a steam engine instead of thinking "I would like for one to run, therefore it should happen."
@dcoursey82 It could be sold to a railroad, would give the builders money and the railroad a source of excursion revenue and publicity, although locomotives are less respected here than in Britain, so...
anyone know where the shot at 1:15 is happening?
To me, it looked like Gualala, CA, but I know that it definitely wasn't because New York Central didn't run there.
@HaloCE14 you are aware that Tornado took 13 years to build, at a cost of over 15 million dollars US?
Faster than mallard?
@@tylerfisher02 ok
Possibly
No, But the Milwaukee Road's F7 Hiawatha Super Hudsons would have, they had bigger drivers and higher operatingsteam pressures than that the NYC Hudsons, design to cruise in the triplr digits, and they often did, but they were miles away in prestigious recognition compared to the 20th Century Hudsons.
I wonder if a Dreyfuss Hudson could beat the mallards record
We should modify an engine for looking like a streamlined Hudson...
1:13 the audio of this scene is not original or matches the clip, there's no Doppler effect here
Imagine that they decided to remake the 20th century Dreyfuss Hudson
They would eventually
What year were those taken in?
Last I heard China still had a factory that could build a steam locomotive. All depends on funds to build it. I'm sure if someone had an endless supply of dough, a Drefuss 20th Century streamliner could roll out of their shops, onto a ship and to the states easily. So long as the blue prints were accurate and a place was prepared for it to operate.
Truly a shame NYC didn't save a single J-3 class. Progress has done away with steam and replaced it with texting teenage brats!
FYI I'm sixteen so beware!!!
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Rail and machine, fire, smoke and steam
@ACLTony ..People tend to think that CSX and NS's policies are made almost out of spite, and without any kind of sound reasoning behind it, but what it boils down to is that they are both businesses that are out to make MONEY...they have to sustain themselves somehow. Suppose CSX allowed a steamer to operate on its tracks....not only does it hold up other revenue runs, but it also attracts hordes of people following the train around, crowding around grade crossings to take pictures, and even
Everything in mainline steam excursions changed forever when the NS employee steam fan trip went all over the ground with the president of the railroad at the throttle. Liability insurance ceased to be viable for this purpose.
Do these clips take place on what's now know as the MNRR Hudson Line?
Yes they do.
@Jemalacane Think of it this way...suppose I came to you, and asked if I could throw a party in your backyard. You hesitate because you work at home and your backyard is the main area you use to do your job, and thus generate income for yourself. Someone holding a party in your backyard would mean less hours for your to do your job, and less money in a typical work day. Even if I charged you a fee for its use, it still wouldn't offset the loss I'd get from losing part of a days work.
the last one is J# right??
How could the NYC scrap all of these?? Even the Dreyfuses?? Da hell??
standing on the tracks as the train approaches. It's all very dangerous, and if an accident were to happen, who is liable? CSX. It just doesn't make sense from a business perspective to risk so much. In reality, CSX and NS are blameless...the problem is sympathetic juries and lawsuit happy miscreants.
I think one is in the Henry Ford museum in Indiana??? I think thats and L-2 and the L-3a is in Elkhart. GO SEE THEM !!!
I like Alfred Perlman. He did good things for his railroad. But he did not do the best job picking engines for preservation. The single Mohawk saved would have been very well accompianied by a Niagra and a Hudson. (sigh)
Your facts are 100% in error. Two Mohawks and two Hudsons were *SOLD* by the RR to the only buyers which stepped up at the time, not counting the other smaller steam locos which did trickle out. And even when some short time passed and one thinks someone would have had the idea to save the Hudsons at least, NO ONE DID - excepting the tender from one of them. Plenty of source based reading available on the topic.
@chaz1854 hey dude, coal is a fossil fuel, and many steam locomotives run on oil anyway
There is gonna be a new york central Hudson named Connor and have a number called 40 from ttte and it will have a speedometer that goes from 0mph to 200mph and at 200mph it overheats and the parts begins to come loose and then it passes 200mph and then the voiler explodes and it begins to overheat a little bit at 175 and it can travel from 90mph to 170mph and it will be 20th same size as the fl9 and it will have a pantograph and it will travel from Washington dc to Boston union station and it will have 2 pantographs and one will be at the middle of the tender and one at the front of the boiler and it will be powerd by electricity and will used on the NEC, Keysrone corridor, metra electric line, Canada electric train line, and it will be completed in 2021 and it will be running every day and also every day before veterans day it will be repainted into veterans unit NYC Hudson #40 and on veterans day it pulls the Circus train from harrisburg on the keystone corridor to boston
@Driverman2008 - but one Mohawk is saved in St Louis. :)
Two NYC Mohawks survive - It seems the internet will make bad information perpetual!
Yea, even the internet foams diesels