•if you see this I love to see your thoughts on my comments I also enjoy your TOG videos especially your TOG characters keep up the good work up. •The only person that is manipulating this entire situation is Enkidu, Not Traumere. Him getting petite, it's something he wasn't looking for or wanted, so it's not much manipulation on Traum end. •I also don't think that he would it Amizu. They both want to fix there relationship showing that both still had feelings for each other. which means, Traum wasn't too far gone that he at least couldn't be reasonable, at the very least by her. • I respectfully disagree with your notion of her leaving who was the right decision to do. She basically did the exact same thing that Enkidu did. Float pity or concerned for him but did nothing about it. Try to leave without a word or not even a goodbye. •Also feel like it comes to pick sides thing. There is no good or bad side. When it comes to King jihad and the family leaders, Arlene & V are just as self-centered, corrupt as the rest of them
Hmm I wouldn't say she did nothing for him, it's like trying to help a drug addict (impossible) they need to find themselves to change. AmuZ Definitely stuck by his side for a long time.
Thanks for the support and I will cover each point and of course if you still disagree that's fine. 1. At the end of the day traumerei is the family head of manipulation, I don't think he was looking for "pity" but he wanted to change enkidu's mindset from reasonable horror to servitude by explaining his goals to him, justifiying his horrable actions by his words of making a better tower ruled by control. In that scene in particular enkidu is not manipulating anything, in the rest of the scenes yes he is of course 2. The problem with thinking this is that it's assuming traumerei would stop just because of amizu, he may have wanted her to stay but I don't think that traumerei with his emotions and memories taken away from his past would be driven to stop his actions and his plans with jahad. Again I think traumerei would hide it from amizu, justifying that he is doing that by saying that she wouldn't understand what he is trying to do. 3. Thats why I said that even after seeing this amizu still loved traumerei, like I said in the last point traumerei could just have kept getting worse and hid the truth from amizu and if she did speak on it she doesn't know if traumerei would be too far gone to kill her. She felt not pity but understanding for all the family heads but she had to make the right choice for herself (I made the joke but sadly the "I can fix him" stuff is a real thing and a lot of the times it doesn't turn out well) enkidu was making the wrong choice by fooling himself that traumerei cared about him, even when he knew deep down that he was never part of traumerei's "us". 4. And finally, all I will say is that we have no basis for how "corrupt" V and Arlene were at the time. Many of their faction did horrible acts to the family heads in anger and rage and like amizu said they shouldn't be forgiven for that. But I also think there is more to the story as luslec to told hon, "don't you remember what happened that day" in anger so the family heads must have also done horrible actions that day. The overall goal of their faction was just to keep climbing the tower, not even kill jahad or the 10 great family heads like FUG, they just wanted to steal the key and open the gate to the 135th floor, so comparing them I will say that at this point in time it seems like jahad and the 10GF heads are doing the worse stuff then the Grace Faction. Again you can disagree with me and that's fine but I think it's fun to discuss
Yeah I totally agree with you doing horrible thing like human experement is injustifiable and calming and deluding your self is even worse and saying that at this time the grace faction is more corrupt is entirely baseless especially that we don’t know much about them and as we seen in the flashback and the story the grace faction didn’t want to kill the head or jahad they just wanted to climb more (past 135 floors) it was jahad who wanted to become king by force and doing massacre against the native people of the tower saying that it is justified and they are lesser creatures and as for the point of changing traumarei this is just impossible because as we seen in previous chapter traumarei want to control amizu like he does with his animals and change her foolish thoughts which is quite scary and crepy honestly so yeah living him was the best choice but I think the way she left was a bit wrong
•if you see this I love to see your thoughts on my comments I also enjoy your TOG videos especially your TOG characters keep up the good work up.
•The only person that is manipulating this entire situation is Enkidu, Not Traumere.
Him getting petite, it's something he wasn't looking for or wanted, so it's not much manipulation on Traum end.
•I also don't think that he would it Amizu. They both want to fix there relationship showing that both still had feelings for each other. which means, Traum wasn't too far gone that he at least couldn't be reasonable, at the very least by her.
• I respectfully disagree with your notion of her leaving who was the right decision to do. She basically did the exact same thing that Enkidu did. Float pity or concerned for him but did nothing about it. Try to leave without a word or not even a goodbye.
•Also feel like it comes to pick sides thing. There is no good or bad side. When it comes to King jihad and the family leaders, Arlene & V are just as self-centered, corrupt as the rest of them
Hmm I wouldn't say she did nothing for him, it's like trying to help a drug addict (impossible) they need to find themselves to change. AmuZ Definitely stuck by his side for a long time.
Thanks for the support and I will cover each point and of course if you still disagree that's fine.
1. At the end of the day traumerei is the family head of manipulation, I don't think he was looking for "pity" but he wanted to change enkidu's mindset from reasonable horror to servitude by explaining his goals to him, justifiying his horrable actions by his words of making a better tower ruled by control. In that scene in particular enkidu is not manipulating anything, in the rest of the scenes yes he is of course
2. The problem with thinking this is that it's assuming traumerei would stop just because of amizu, he may have wanted her to stay but I don't think that traumerei with his emotions and memories taken away from his past would be driven to stop his actions and his plans with jahad. Again I think traumerei would hide it from amizu, justifying that he is doing that by saying that she wouldn't understand what he is trying to do.
3. Thats why I said that even after seeing this amizu still loved traumerei, like I said in the last point traumerei could just have kept getting worse and hid the truth from amizu and if she did speak on it she doesn't know if traumerei would be too far gone to kill her. She felt not pity but understanding for all the family heads but she had to make the right choice for herself (I made the joke but sadly the "I can fix him" stuff is a real thing and a lot of the times it doesn't turn out well) enkidu was making the wrong choice by fooling himself that traumerei cared about him, even when he knew deep down that he was never part of traumerei's "us".
4. And finally, all I will say is that we have no basis for how "corrupt" V and Arlene were at the time. Many of their faction did horrible acts to the family heads in anger and rage and like amizu said they shouldn't be forgiven for that. But I also think there is more to the story as luslec to told hon, "don't you remember what happened that day" in anger so the family heads must have also done horrible actions that day. The overall goal of their faction was just to keep climbing the tower, not even kill jahad or the 10 great family heads like FUG, they just wanted to steal the key and open the gate to the 135th floor, so comparing them I will say that at this point in time it seems like jahad and the 10GF heads are doing the worse stuff then the Grace Faction.
Again you can disagree with me and that's fine but I think it's fun to discuss
Yeah I totally agree with you doing horrible thing like human experement is injustifiable and calming and deluding your self is even worse and saying that at this time the grace faction is more corrupt is entirely baseless especially that we don’t know much about them and as we seen in the flashback and the story the grace faction didn’t want to kill the head or jahad they just wanted to climb more (past 135 floors) it was jahad who wanted to become king by force and doing massacre against the native people of the tower saying that it is justified and they are lesser creatures and as for the point of changing traumarei this is just impossible because as we seen in previous chapter traumarei want to control amizu like he does with his animals and change her foolish thoughts which is quite scary and crepy honestly so yeah living him was the best choice but I think the way she left was a bit wrong