Non judokas of the mma world only know judo for ippon seoi nage or uchi mata. This guy is teaching you the essence of Judo is in the "little" low sweeps and the Taisabaki, as well as the circular displacement of the feet.
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I know Michal personally. We go at same gym :) It is cool to see him studied :) Good job!
Hi Petr, I was wondering if it was him, his face and name seemed slightly familiar to me :). Congratulation for your gym :). How long has he been practicing judo?
Yea, these are all novice (under green belt) take downs. I agree about pull guard though, most of us Judokas don’t want to roll. We prefer our take downs. Notice how he gets back up after the throws. He doesn’t want to play the mount game.
Basic level Judo player and currently able to get a few of the guys at my gym with the skills I learn. Just sticking to basic and cancelling out guard pullers. It is nice. Only a three stripe white but having fun on this journey. I think you should learn Judo but don't enter the BJJ rolls as a Judoka. Keep the BJJ mind with the Judoka adapted skills. It is also very freeing and liberating taking Judo to BJJ as much of what you can't do as per Judo rule sets you can in stand up BJJ!!
Wish most Jiu Jitsu people watched this, they discredit Judo soo much its sickening.But if you really look at previous world champions, most either did Judo or incorporated Judo standup techniques. I still believe they are the same art,but thats a lifelong arguement i dont want lol
I do jiu jitsu and I'm trying to incorporate judo throws. I don't have anyone to show me judo so I'm doing my best on my own. I recently started asking all my training partners to start standing when we roll. If you have any references for learning judo I would love to hear them.
@@genarohernandezjr.6589RUclips channels I recommend for learning judo: Shintaro Higashi, Fluid Judo Japan, Shintaro Nakano, Travis Stevens. Also, you should do a lot of uchi komi and pay attention to the way good judokas enter throws with their LEGS. The legs are very important to give explosion/power without using strength. You should also pay attention to the direction your opponent’s body is going. Don’t force him to go where you want to - go with the flow and enter throws based on their movement and inertia.
@@TSM260 originally judo and jiu jitsu were interchangeable terms but as judo moved more into a sport and less a martial art the divide grew. As a Bjj white belt training with a judo national team is tap all of them easily - yes they’d throw me but they’d lose every fight. Thats the main difference that continues to this day. The rules of the various combat sports dictate their success against each other. Frequently you get judo black belts entering Bjj comps as white belts - the whole damn Mongolian national team entered the white belt worlds to sand bag. I do both - less judo these days due to spinal injuries but I teach more standing stuff than most Bjj gyms as I teach authentic Gracie Jiu Jitsu
@@robwilliamsbjj8446 I totally agree. I do both aswell, less Judo these days because clubs are waayy to exoensive to show up and throw youths. I have heard more National teams are incorporating more ground emphasis, the US forsure France, Korea I believe aswell. Its definitely more complete when the athletes are good standing and on the ground.
Judo takedowns are no joke. I haven’t trained bjj or judo for many yrs, but I could easily beat Jodi guys on the ground. Getting to the ground, on the other hand, was a very scary affair.
What you are calling Ko-Soto looks more like Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi. Ko-Soto hooks the leg, usually reaping and send the opponent backwards. Sasae stops, or sweeps the foot, sending the opponent to the side
No it is a de ashi barai or maybe sometimes a okuri ashi barai. Sasae just stops the foot in front of the lower shin while pulling the opponent in your direction. What will be a throw in your direction. Sasae never sweep anything. He throws/sweep the opponents to the side. So it is a de ashi barai or a okuri ashi barai.
Judo is based on idea that works take him off balance throw submission and control while the first brazilians jiu jitsu guys just took the ne waza of judo and said lets just roll on the ground and forget about the control and throws and there you have it stupid sport of people who pull guard on purpose because someone started doing it long time ago no base to jiu jitsu no clear plan of what to do only variety of submission thats looks cool
He is controlling always the power hand. To do so, he grabs the front side collar and create a post in his shoulder. He always circles to the power hand side, either R or L, but not always L. In RvL he controls right collar and then gets the sleeve. In RvR he gets the cross collar and he attacks from there. Also, once he has the sleeve he can switch to regular collar sleeve if the opponent is squared. It is very frequent with people who don't have grip fighting ability to change stances once they are outgripped. About throwing a high grip in RvL, it doesn't matter, because with sided stance the grip is weak and will eventually mean the sleeve is controlled and uke gets dominated. If they are in the opposite stance, which is the most prevalent gripping sequence in judo, then it's a problem, but once you know their stance their trick is over.
Watch the video again! Vebr always establishes lapel grip first regardless if it’s Ai or Kenka Yotsu meaning he doesn’t always shut down the power hand. In a RvR as a righty he would switch to sleeve hand first but he doesn’t (like Nagase). Go argue with Jimmy Pedro.
First, I apologize because from the video I wrongly concluded you didn't know how this works Now, I'm gonna edit the comment and try to make it constructive
@@jonlasarte9690your edited comment makes good points about what Vebr SHOULD do. I agree with all of it. His gripping could be better in the way you describe. To me, it looks like he only uses the cross grip as an entry for seoi only or for grip breaking (I could be wrong) when it should be based on his opponents power hand/stance if we’re following Big Jim Pedro’s school of thought as you have mentioned.
@MastersBJJBreakdown Jimmy P likes to do things a certain way. There are many judoka that do not adhere to his approach. Travis Steven's says to "never" reach with your lead hand. That is a wrestling thing. Many judoka jab right out with the lead hand and get the collar. Instead of saying "never do this," or "always do that" those guys should more accurately say, "this is how I like to do it."
BJJ is derived from judo so any experienced judo player knows BJJ (it is the ground fighting/ne waza part of judo with some competition rule differences).
@@mfp5585 Rules incentivize technical innovations. Judokas will know the latest grips, setups and way more throws under their own respective ruleset while BJJ practitioners will know every way of advancing positions and way more submission setups and variety. You're not gonna find a Marcelo Garcia or a Gordon Ryan equivalent in Judo. The fact that Judo is the parent art of BJJ is irrelevant when BJJ is the most overrepresented art for anything related to ground grappling and overall fighting since BJJ has been the forefront of advancing modern ground grappling for years
@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 well these guys are obviously not Gordon Ryan level, and I can beat the BJJ guys I sometimes train with on the ground while only being a mid level competition judoka (3rd league out of 3)
No surprise! Someone with 20+ yrs semi competitive judo experience vs bjj the equivalent of orange and green belts in judo. Like a standard randori session with lower grades. His oppenents should pull guard after watching his first fight no shame in that under bjj rules. 😊
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Cool! Where are these judokas at the lower weights rooster, light feather and feather?! I will tell you they are behind the guard of a sick guard puller and a nasty guard. What is more important then learning to throw, guard passing or learning what to do in double seated position.
Getting the right hand grip is NOT unusual at all. It's very very common for a right hander. It the power hand for right side throws. Very weird of the narrator to think otherwise.
In judo, we like to control opponent’s dominant hand first, which is usually opponent’s sleeve. So as a right hander, I want to use my left hand to catch sleeve before I control the lapel with my right hand. This applies for most of the high level competitors as seen in world champion or the olympics, it’s our meta. What Michael do here is adjusting the game plan because his opponent do not have the same habit as judoka to catch his dominant hand, which makes it easier for Michael to be more aggressive without much grip fighting (needed in judo).
It always amuses me when people refer to BJJ as a martial art... Judo is a sport derived from a martial art, and BJJ was derived from Judo. It's wild to claim that your even more niche refinement is suddenly a martial art!
If he is purple belt, he is not simply a judoka, it means he already has a solid BJJ and he's competing with other purple belts. Of course if you also have a much better throwing technique thanks to judo it will only make you better in BJJ, the same applies in the other way. As a BJJ blue I can almost always beat judo brown and black belts only if the fight goes to the ground. And I have a solid advantage over low graded judokas as me
Bro, stop the cap. You aren't regularly beating Judo Brown and Black Belts. LOL...there is a reason everyone hates BJJ Blue Belts. You all think you are far better than you actually are.
...but by all means...continue to tell us more about how you effortlessly just tap all those Judo and Brown and Black Belts. This time...we will pretend to believe you.
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This is why i want to learn judo to integrate it in my bjj game. It s such beautiful sport.
I am the opposite bro, I am a judoka who wants to learn bjj. Oss! 🫡
I really appreciate your understanding of kumi kata and the Nagase reference. These breakdowns are sick!
So beautiful to watch somebody skillfully combine judo and jiujitzu
you understand that BJJ is derived from Judo and Judo is derived from Jujutsu (not "Jiujitzu," that is a westernized term).
@@adamgrofik5470 whats ur point man?? lol
He's really just doing Judo 😂
@@adamgrofik5470exactly
Everything he's doing IS judo.
BJJ is just judo with all the emphasis on Ne Waza. Brazilian Judo just doesn't have the same ring to it.
It’s always satisfying to see a Judoka throw.
It’s never satisfying to see a martial artist pull guard 😂
@@x-Musashi-x tome Nage is guard pulling
@@robwilliamsbjj8446tomoe nage is a sacrifice throw, there’s no guarding, it’s a throw. Tomoe=circular, Nage=throw, nothing related to guard pulling.
@ guard pulling throw
@It’s not guard pulling , when you attempt toemage you commit to throwing your opponent when pulling guard you chuck yourself on the mat and hope !
@@x-Musashi-x agreed 👍
My dad Dan Louis is a judo blackbelt that competes in masters 7 ibjjf. Has gotten some throws in as well.
His Ko soto gari is just a basic de ashi barai ( foot sweep) Ko soto gari or Gake is quite a bit different as shown later in the video.
Non judokas of the mma world only know judo for ippon seoi nage or uchi mata. This guy is teaching you the essence of Judo is in the "little" low sweeps and the Taisabaki, as well as the circular displacement of the feet.
I know Michal personally. We go at same gym :) It is cool to see him studied :) Good job!
Hi Petr, I was wondering if it was him, his face and name seemed slightly familiar to me :). Congratulation for your gym :). How long has he been practicing judo?
Amazed my left ear
Everyone is so inspiring to watch 😮
Cool video!
The kouchi to seionage at 3:45 was great!
When BJJ fanstics see a Judoka using newaza Judo submissions after a throw they always assume the Judoka is mixing BJJ with Judo. 🤡🌍
Do you know an example? Im interested in seeing more judo style newaza
Thank u! Pretty good breakdown and analysis. Should do more 👍🏻
Amazing vidéo ! Thanks dude!
PULL GUARD! This guy has superior takedowns.
Ain't going to save from a good judoka
Yea, these are all novice (under green belt) take downs. I agree about pull guard though, most of us Judokas don’t want to roll. We prefer our take downs. Notice how he gets back up after the throws. He doesn’t want to play the mount game.
He is probably good at passing guard too.. he is not just judoka but a bjj guy too..
Pulling guard isn't a great strategy at heavyweight. Now you have a big guy pressuring you for free.
@tribalman9668 he is definitely a judo guy. U know that a lot of the moves in bjj is used in judo. I used to practice bjj but switched to judo.
Basic level Judo player and currently able to get a few of the guys at my gym with the skills I learn. Just sticking to basic and cancelling out guard pullers. It is nice. Only a three stripe white but having fun on this journey. I think you should learn Judo but don't enter the BJJ rolls as a Judoka. Keep the BJJ mind with the Judoka adapted skills.
It is also very freeing and liberating taking Judo to BJJ as much of what you can't do as per Judo rule sets you can in stand up BJJ!!
Great breakdown, definitely going to play around with these setups.
Beautiful. *chef's kiss* IPPON!!
Really enjoyed this. Would love to see some more Gi take down analysis! Especially seeing what people do to shut down guard pullers!
A Judoka doing Judo. Excellent
Wish most Jiu Jitsu people watched this, they discredit Judo soo much its sickening.But if you really look at previous world champions, most either did Judo or incorporated Judo standup techniques.
I still believe they are the same art,but thats a lifelong arguement i dont want lol
I do jiu jitsu and I'm trying to incorporate judo throws. I don't have anyone to show me judo so I'm doing my best on my own. I recently started asking all my training partners to start standing when we roll.
If you have any references for learning judo I would love to hear them.
@@genarohernandezjr.6589RUclips channels I recommend for learning judo: Shintaro Higashi, Fluid Judo Japan, Shintaro Nakano, Travis Stevens.
Also, you should do a lot of uchi komi and pay attention to the way good judokas enter throws with their LEGS. The legs are very important to give explosion/power without using strength. You should also pay attention to the direction your opponent’s body is going. Don’t force him to go where you want to - go with the flow and enter throws based on their movement and inertia.
@@TSM260 originally judo and jiu jitsu were interchangeable terms but as judo moved more into a sport and less a martial art the divide grew. As a Bjj white belt training with a judo national team is tap all of them easily - yes they’d throw me but they’d lose every fight. Thats the main difference that continues to this day. The rules of the various combat sports dictate their success against each other. Frequently you get judo black belts entering Bjj comps as white belts - the whole damn Mongolian national team entered the white belt worlds to sand bag. I do both - less judo these days due to spinal injuries but I teach more standing stuff than most Bjj gyms as I teach authentic Gracie Jiu Jitsu
@@robwilliamsbjj8446 I totally agree. I do both aswell, less Judo these days because clubs are waayy to exoensive to show up and throw youths.
I have heard more National teams are incorporating more ground emphasis, the US forsure France, Korea I believe aswell. Its definitely more complete when the athletes are good standing and on the ground.
@ takes a lot of time though - hard to be good at everything - but good to see more Bjj gyms hiring judo coaches
great stuff.
Yes enjoyed thx 🤙🏽
Awesome video man
Judo takedowns are no joke. I haven’t trained bjj or judo for many yrs, but I could easily beat Jodi guys on the ground. Getting to the ground, on the other hand, was a very scary affair.
Sir, Michael is not doing Ko uchi gari only. He's doing severl different low sweeps from different angles.
Aye, I believe I saw some Ashi Harai in there too, but it was still mostly seionage and kosoto gari
This video was great, hope you find time and inspiration to do more
Curious the grade and experience of the judoka?
BJJ and Judo pair so well. I think they should be studied together.
Awesome thanks for this. Gotta come back and way h if layer
What you are calling Ko-Soto looks more like Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi. Ko-Soto hooks the leg, usually reaping and send the opponent backwards. Sasae stops, or sweeps the foot, sending the opponent to the side
No it is a de ashi barai or maybe sometimes a okuri ashi barai. Sasae just stops the foot in front of the lower shin while pulling the opponent in your direction. What will be a throw in your direction.
Sasae never sweep anything.
He throws/sweep the opponents to the side. So it is a de ashi barai or a okuri ashi barai.
Judo is based on idea that works take him off balance throw submission and control while the first brazilians jiu jitsu guys just took the ne waza of judo and said lets just roll on the ground and forget about the control and throws and there you have it stupid sport of people who pull guard on purpose because someone started doing it long time ago no base to jiu jitsu no clear plan of what to do only variety of submission thats looks cool
If u know JUDO, JJ is more easy.
Nice video
judo is so cool
The Japanese judoka is really smooth with his Kosoto gari. What's his name?
Takanori Nagase
He is controlling always the power hand. To do so, he grabs the front side collar and create a post in his shoulder. He always circles to the power hand side, either R or L, but not always L.
In RvL he controls right collar and then gets the sleeve.
In RvR he gets the cross collar and he attacks from there. Also, once he has the sleeve he can switch to regular collar sleeve if the opponent is squared. It is very frequent with people who don't have grip fighting ability to change stances once they are outgripped.
About throwing a high grip in RvL, it doesn't matter, because with sided stance the grip is weak and will eventually mean the sleeve is controlled and uke gets dominated. If they are in the opposite stance, which is the most prevalent gripping sequence in judo, then it's a problem, but once you know their stance their trick is over.
The gripping sequence depends of the stance of uke
And once you control the power hand it doesn't matter what he does with the free hand
Watch the video again!
Vebr always establishes lapel grip first regardless if it’s Ai or Kenka Yotsu meaning he doesn’t always shut down the power hand.
In a RvR as a righty he would switch to sleeve hand first but he doesn’t (like Nagase).
Go argue with Jimmy Pedro.
First, I apologize because from the video I wrongly concluded you didn't know how this works
Now, I'm gonna edit the comment and try to make it constructive
@@jonlasarte9690your edited comment makes good points about what Vebr SHOULD do. I agree with all of it. His gripping could be better in the way you describe.
To me, it looks like he only uses the cross grip as an entry for seoi only or for grip breaking (I could be wrong) when it should be based on his opponents power hand/stance if we’re following Big Jim Pedro’s school of thought as you have mentioned.
@MastersBJJBreakdown Jimmy P likes to do things a certain way. There are many judoka that do not adhere to his approach. Travis Steven's says to "never" reach with your lead hand. That is a wrestling thing. Many judoka jab right out with the lead hand and get the collar.
Instead of saying "never do this," or "always do that" those guys should more accurately say, "this is how I like to do it."
He is also a purple belt, He knows jiujitsu too
BJJ is derived from judo so any experienced judo player knows BJJ (it is the ground fighting/ne waza part of judo with some competition rule differences).
@@mfp5585 Rules incentivize technical innovations. Judokas will know the latest grips, setups and way more throws under their own respective ruleset while BJJ practitioners will know every way of advancing positions and way more submission setups and variety. You're not gonna find a Marcelo Garcia or a Gordon Ryan equivalent in Judo. The fact that Judo is the parent art of BJJ is irrelevant when BJJ is the most overrepresented art for anything related to ground grappling and overall fighting since BJJ has been the forefront of advancing modern ground grappling for years
@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 well these guys are obviously not Gordon Ryan level, and I can beat the BJJ guys I sometimes train with on the ground while only being a mid level competition judoka (3rd league out of 3)
A Judoka at that level is also a BJJ brown or black belt who never stopped practicing takedowns
BJJ= Great Value Judo
No. It's only Judo Ne-Waza (ground game). It misses everything else in Judo. That is, it misses 75%
@davida.rosales6025 yeah that was kind of my point. To be fair they also use shimewaza, so it's basically missing the nagewaza and tachiwaza.
When they don’t know the distance for the hips to sneak in the throws are monstrous 😂
Deashi harai. It's a sweep, not a reap.
there is a reason, jigoro kano made judo focus on throw from its original jiujitsu
Back to the original
I would like to see this footage without any whimp commentating thx
No surprise!
Someone with 20+ yrs semi competitive judo experience vs bjj the equivalent of orange and green belts in judo. Like a standard randori session with lower grades. His oppenents should pull guard after watching his first fight no shame in that under bjj rules. 😊
Sweep the leg Johnny yeah do it again.
He should try in black belt division
With headphones on and speech ONLY coming through the left stereo channel
Getting the collar grip first isn't that unusual in judo. Some player prefer it this way.
this was great, yeah i would have pulled guard maybe LOL
It is a combination of kosoto/deashi Tsubame Gaeshi
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In a gi I think judo is SS tier
Waiting for all the smart asses who need to clarify the origins of judo and BJJ
a great time for a judokas since they can grab the legs. It's been banned in judo tournaments which I think was a step-back for judo.
Absolutely all the Skills of Judo comes from Japanese Jiu Jitsu.
Destroyed you mean because the match ended with a throw? Continue the match to submission, no Judo only rules.
In the real world, they'd be dead or in a position to have their heads kicked in on the floor. Real world > bjj fantasy land.
cool
He do a morote seoi nage to be precise. If you do master breakdowns know the facts please.
Judo is Jujutsu and Jigoro Kano steal a lot of skills of Japanese Jiu Jitsu(Jujutsu) and changed the name of the art it's basically Jiu Jitsu too.
Deashi Barai
I have seen lot’s of Pro wrestlers competing in white belt and they were happy to win. I think It’s a shame
Can he compete with Khamzat?
Cool! Where are these judokas at the lower weights rooster, light feather and feather?! I will tell you they are behind the guard of a sick guard puller and a nasty guard. What is more important then learning to throw, guard passing or learning what to do in double seated position.
Butt Scoot Fu > Judo's Tachi Waza > BJJ guard pulls
This guy just talked like "Michael" has better gripping tacticts than TAKANORI NAGASE wthhhh
It isn't a ko soto gari nor ko o uchi gari it is a de ashi barai. Please learn the basics and forms of these throws first.
Getting the right hand grip is NOT unusual at all. It's very very common for a right hander. It the power hand for right side throws. Very weird of the narrator to think otherwise.
In judo, we like to control opponent’s dominant hand first, which is usually opponent’s sleeve. So as a right hander, I want to use my left hand to catch sleeve before I control the lapel with my right hand. This applies for most of the high level competitors as seen in world champion or the olympics, it’s our meta. What Michael do here is adjusting the game plan because his opponent do not have the same habit as judoka to catch his dominant hand, which makes it easier for Michael to be more aggressive without much grip fighting (needed in judo).
so this still works in 2024? wtf
It always amuses me when people refer to BJJ as a martial art... Judo is a sport derived from a martial art, and BJJ was derived from Judo. It's wild to claim that your even more niche refinement is suddenly a martial art!
Try it in ADCC Where the bests jiu jitsu fighters in planet are.
The best Judo fighters will still ragdoll them in the stand up. Different focuses.
Good to see. BJJ practitioners are so arrogant.
Nice to see their overrated martial art being exposed.
worst base for jiujitsu is jiujitsu lol
Don’t sign up for Gi. 🤷🏻♂️
If he is purple belt, he is not simply a judoka, it means he already has a solid BJJ and he's competing with other purple belts. Of course if you also have a much better throwing technique thanks to judo it will only make you better in BJJ, the same applies in the other way. As a BJJ blue I can almost always beat judo brown and black belts only if the fight goes to the ground. And I have a solid advantage over low graded judokas as me
Bro, stop the cap. You aren't regularly beating Judo Brown and Black Belts. LOL...there is a reason everyone hates BJJ Blue Belts. You all think you are far better than you actually are.
But the fight never start in the ground
@@MichaelBrown-q4y yes I am, sorry Bro
@@fgui11 The funny thing here is you are trying to be sarcastic while at the same time knowing what I said is 100% true.
...but by all means...continue to tell us more about how you effortlessly just tap all those Judo and Brown and Black Belts. This time...we will pretend to believe you.
they're too old to fight
Too bad you're never too young to comment.
Go challenge them
They're not fighting