I'm om my third roll of Phoenix. First shot at box, last two at iso125. I like this first attempt by Harman and am happy to keep supporting the project. I find I have to think a lot more about light, colours and textures compared to shooting say Kodak Gold and I enjoy that challenge. When is 'Talking a lot of old tosh' going to be released? 😁
Hi Morris, yes, I'm also a big fan of Harman for embarking on the project and I've already got more rolls on top of the initial 2 that I bought at the photography show. I'll be really interested to see where they end up with it, I hope it doesn't get sanitised too much - a little more latitude, and maybe an anti halation layer would probably do for me (I know the old halation thing is in vogue at the moment, but I can live without it). "Talking a lot of old tosh" is quite a good album title isn't it - maybe another future project...........
Cheers ohjajohh, when I was doing photography as a way of earning a wage, it was all digital, and I would only take a shot if I thought it had a financial value, or it was what the customer wanted - it rather took the fun out of the job. Now I'm back shooting film, it's just like it used to be when I first started in photography - I go to places and take shots of stuff that I see along the way without having to think whether I can sell that image or not. I like the feel of the older cameras too, and the wait for actually seeing what I've taken adds an element of the unknown, but it can also add an element of disappointment when the shots aren't so good for whatever reason.
Hi Andres, personally I would always opt to shoot this stuff at something like 125 ISO or 100 ISO - most of the shots I've seen taken at 200 just seem to lose too much in the shadows. However, if you've got fairly even lighting it might work fine shooting at 200. I've shot about 3 or 4 rolls of Phoenix so far, all at 100 or 125 and m not tempted to try 200 based on the results I've got.
You did get some good shots out of it in the end. Unfortunately that wild halation that you don’t enjoy seems to be a key feature of that film . I think it doesn’t have the layer that prevents it, unlike repurposed cinema film which also does that, it has quite orange halation rather than red. I’ve got one roll left of this , which I’ll try when I get a chance with good light … it doesn’t do well on dull days . Unless you’re going for that “album cover “ you were on about
Hi Conrad, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they leave the anti halation layer off the final version because it seems to be the feature that everyone thrives for when using CiniStill. Myself, I hope they do add that layer, but only time will tell. I really should do a back to back NC500 and Phoenix test, shooting the same shots, but rating both films one stop slower than box speed (ie 100 ISO for Phoenix and 200 ISO for NC500), but do I really want to devote two rolls of film, plus the processing to that project? I'm planning to shoot some more NC500 soon, but I need to think about my shots more rather than just using it as a walkabout film.
@@GrumpyTim I like the Cinestill thing… but for doing the cinestill thing only , not general shooting , if I want an 800 speed general film it’s Portra 800. Yeah to be honest I think the Wolfen film has pretty horrendous grain really and it’s a bit washed out and depressing. It can give occasional nice images in the right circumstance, definitely needs shooting at 0.5 to 1 stop over. Phoenix can’t handle much overexposure I don’t think . It has so little latitude even bright colours not just light starts blowing out to the orangey stuff . It has potential for certain circumstances though … it’s a pity they couldn’t make a more general film first though rather than the edgy experimental one . Much harder to do / fund but better chance of it taking off
I guess Harman managed to get everyone talking about their new film, which is something, and I bet they're working pretty hard to develop it before the interest dwindles. I wonder what the unreleased versions that came before the Phoenix release were like - pretty wild I'd guess.
Hi Oh Aces, I'll be really interested to see where Harman end up with Phoenix, it needs to be a bit different otherwise you may as well buy Kodak Gold or something like that. If they could give it a bit more latitude and an anti halation layer I think I'd be pretty happy, although, with everyone getting excited about the halation from CineStill, they might just leave that feature/fault alone. Time will tell. Cheers for watching.
I'm om my third roll of Phoenix. First shot at box, last two at iso125.
I like this first attempt by Harman and am happy to keep supporting the project.
I find I have to think a lot more about light, colours and textures compared to shooting say Kodak Gold and I enjoy that challenge.
When is 'Talking a lot of old tosh' going to be released? 😁
Hi Morris, yes, I'm also a big fan of Harman for embarking on the project and I've already got more rolls on top of the initial 2 that I bought at the photography show. I'll be really interested to see where they end up with it, I hope it doesn't get sanitised too much - a little more latitude, and maybe an anti halation layer would probably do for me (I know the old halation thing is in vogue at the moment, but I can live without it).
"Talking a lot of old tosh" is quite a good album title isn't it - maybe another future project...........
@@liveinaweorg I’ll shoot all box speed then 👌
Nice video, you really seem to be into film photography the last year/months :) I'm curious to find out what the mystery lens is for the next video.
Cheers ohjajohh, when I was doing photography as a way of earning a wage, it was all digital, and I would only take a shot if I thought it had a financial value, or it was what the customer wanted - it rather took the fun out of the job. Now I'm back shooting film, it's just like it used to be when I first started in photography - I go to places and take shots of stuff that I see along the way without having to think whether I can sell that image or not. I like the feel of the older cameras too, and the wait for actually seeing what I've taken adds an element of the unknown, but it can also add an element of disappointment when the shots aren't so good for whatever reason.
Very cool video!!
What do you think about this? Should I shoot it at a box speed or not?
All the best
Hi Andres, personally I would always opt to shoot this stuff at something like 125 ISO or 100 ISO - most of the shots I've seen taken at 200 just seem to lose too much in the shadows. However, if you've got fairly even lighting it might work fine shooting at 200. I've shot about 3 or 4 rolls of Phoenix so far, all at 100 or 125 and m not tempted to try 200 based on the results I've got.
You did get some good shots out of it in the end. Unfortunately that wild halation that you don’t enjoy seems to be a key feature of that film . I think it doesn’t have the layer that prevents it, unlike repurposed cinema film which also does that, it has quite orange halation rather than red. I’ve got one roll left of this , which I’ll try when I get a chance with good light … it doesn’t do well on dull days . Unless you’re going for that “album cover “ you were on about
Hi Conrad, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they leave the anti halation layer off the final version because it seems to be the feature that everyone thrives for when using CiniStill. Myself, I hope they do add that layer, but only time will tell. I really should do a back to back NC500 and Phoenix test, shooting the same shots, but rating both films one stop slower than box speed (ie 100 ISO for Phoenix and 200 ISO for NC500), but do I really want to devote two rolls of film, plus the processing to that project? I'm planning to shoot some more NC500 soon, but I need to think about my shots more rather than just using it as a walkabout film.
@@GrumpyTim I like the Cinestill thing… but for doing the cinestill thing only , not general shooting , if I want an 800 speed general film it’s Portra 800.
Yeah to be honest I think the Wolfen film has pretty horrendous grain really and it’s a bit washed out and depressing. It can give occasional nice images in the right circumstance, definitely needs shooting at 0.5 to 1 stop over.
Phoenix can’t handle much overexposure I don’t think . It has so little latitude even bright colours not just light starts blowing out to the orangey stuff . It has potential for certain circumstances though … it’s a pity they couldn’t make a more general film first though rather than the edgy experimental one . Much harder to do / fund but better chance of it taking off
I guess Harman managed to get everyone talking about their new film, which is something, and I bet they're working pretty hard to develop it before the interest dwindles. I wonder what the unreleased versions that came before the Phoenix release were like - pretty wild I'd guess.
Looks like a combination of 250D and Ektar... Not bad, but not very good.
Hi Oh Aces, I'll be really interested to see where Harman end up with Phoenix, it needs to be a bit different otherwise you may as well buy Kodak Gold or something like that. If they could give it a bit more latitude and an anti halation layer I think I'd be pretty happy, although, with everyone getting excited about the halation from CineStill, they might just leave that feature/fault alone. Time will tell. Cheers for watching.