I can't hardly stand to listen to this. He makes me want to sing Samsara Davanala....even more to Prabupad.....he makes me want to glorify Prabupad even more.....this fellow would be a "nobody" without Prabupad.
How do you know what he would be without Prabhupada? what if Prabhupada neutralized him? you think Prabhupada made him a demon? Why you want to glorify him then?
Very guru is the representatives of the one Guru achaaria Srila Prabhupada! Like Chaithannya Mahaprabhu ! So Prabhupada is our Guru and achaaria and other guru are his chains that means we pointing on Prabhupada! If he is real guru, I mean the individual guru
Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PLNyvgaBuOihS4CQyJLmIlA7lSMzRCN_fQ BOOK CHANGES Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
JDS is nuts the other guy is pretender.He says nothing should be changed and that the American deases is that they change everything.THE FACT IS WE CHANTED SAMSARA TO Prabhupada not because he was founder acharya but because he was initiating guru of all the the devotees which has changed NOW .This chanting Because he is the founder acharaya which was not case THEN .
@@bhaktapeter3501him and the others in his fake swami group including in gbc that murdered Prabhupada with cadmium poison in Food to then try to steal ISKCON From their gbc and then fake self appointed swami status to be praised as if swamis while doing so
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want." (Letter to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)
Thanks for providing this information. I wrote this...please write what you think about it.... .... I am a pujari in iskcon temple and I live with Bhakti Vaibhava Swami and I can tell you that he is not pretending to be a big guru and he has very mature understanding and he says all the things that Sura Prabhu said here. He teaches us to pronounce first the mantra to Srila Prabhupada and than to the diksa guru. SP is the main, samsthapak acarya for all. But still he wanted gurus, you can find many lectures where he says he wants so many gurus. But they give initiation, bringing disciples to the acharya Srila Prabhupada. So it's kind of ritvik, but at the same time not exactly ritvik theory, bringing to acharya, but still they are guru. We need living guru. In every sampradaya they have this system. They aren't direct disciples of eg Ramanuja. You can't be direct disciple of Ramanuja in Sri sampradaya. Isn't it. Guru makes connection to sampradaya. Living guru. Example..there are many rich people, but ALL their wealth comes only from one rich person. In this case S P. And SP is the acarya even of the other sampradayas.
@@gauranga1008 If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru . "When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya vande guroh sri-charanaravindam "The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities." "This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra... Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person." Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada: "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive. "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit "Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya? Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes." Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 77-07-09 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book. Hoping this finds you all well. Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami (Prabhupada signature appears on the original)
@@nitai-gauradasa6841 Hare Krsna Prabhu! Please accept my dandavat pranām! Your knowledge to the depth of this subject matter is astounding. I am glad that you have explicitly put forward the necessary facts. Only an ignorant mind would refrain himself/herself to accept the truth. Are you a devotee based at ISKCON Bangaluru Hare Krsna Hill Temple? All glories to Sri Rādhā Krsna Chandra! All glories to Nitāi- Gaurānga! All glories to Srila Prabhupāda!
These so called gurus only had permission to make deciples in the name of Prabhupad! There is only one true guru and spiritual master and that is his Devine grace. These rascals that changed the books and want to have their feet washed are full of envy and are filled with ego. I read the original books and only worship Prabhupad and the deities.
No matter what anyone says I will pay pranama to Srila Prabhupada every time I chant Hare Krishna. These self styled gurus don't have any authority to stop me from respecting my spiritual master. People in ISKCON should never forget that who initiated this movement. It is unfortunate to see that jayadvaita swami has become arrogant enough to disrespect his own Guru and take his place.
yes and prabhupad says that a real guru is always talks about Krsna... see Prabhupad.. He always relate everything with Krsna.. but these gurus.. discriminating another Vaishnava and using word like Hell at the place where guru talks.. that even not close to Krishna devotee... like Aindhra prabhu says... it is Krishna's job to establish dharma.. Krsna and Prabupad will preserve ISKCON.. do not worry... there's Krsna for us....
The world wide ISKCON right now is taken over by these pigs and they are confusing the innocent devotees. Sabotaging the great endeavor of Srila Prabhupada. Those who are interested in the clarity of the subject matter of Guru and wants to practice Krsna Bhakti as it was during Prabhupada's time, they must visit ISKCON Bangalore, Hare Krishna Hill or its branches Hare Krishna Movement under the supervision of HH Madhupandit Dasa. There you can gladly glorify only Prabhupada. No nonsense bogus Guru business in ISKCON Bangalore. Following Prabhupada's instructions as it is, therefore they are very progressive.
this guy jayadaita has some serious issues in his mind. also this is same guy changing all Srila Prabhupada's books...what is happened to iskcon. I wished Srila Prabhupada can come again physically or send the next acharya soon to straighten these ppl out. ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!! GURU OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!
Rasa Overlie Jaiadvaita Snake changing of Srila Prabupad 's books is criminal. Why has ABC allowed this.? The original books of Srila Prabupad must be brought back.
Skip to 3:15 then hear Surya dasa give a wonderful support for chanting the divine pranam mantras and worship of His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Sril Prabhupad is the soul spirit and the life force of this mission you remove him and the mission is gone even if you mention of how can we would not say his name the very mention makes us polluted Sril Prabhupad is unparallelled no one can ever take his place
Horror of all horrors. Exposure by speaking. No respect or love for Srila Prabhupada. That is reflected in his writings too. Disdain is the word that comes to mind. Demons speaking through a saffron clad tilaka wearing cheat.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 11,Chapter 17, Text 27 - KRSNA Himself says:” One should know The Acharya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is The Representative Of All The Demi gods.”
Srila Prahupada the only Diksa Acharya for this Kaliyuga. If this is accepted, everything else just naturally falls into place. We can all be siksa gurus- every time we teach someone about Krsna, but no-one other than Prabhupada can take us back to Godhead.
Prabhupada is the Diksha Guru and Siksha Guru as well. Why do we are so interested in adhering Guru to ourselves only to be puffed up. We are preaching someone Krishna Consciousness only because Srila Prabhupada made it easier for us by giving all knowledge right into our hand and now we want to address ourselve as Siksha Guru. It is so ridiculous.
@@rangerover2021 Every Diksha guru is a Siksha guru, but every siksha guru can't be Diksha guru. Only a pure soul can give diksha , and libaret a soul. Conditioned souls can't be Diksha guru, they are conditioned themselves, how will they libaret others?
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And some are rascal criminals! Raganath was with Kirtinanda in new vrindavan and turned a blind eye while murder and rape of children was being committed
Now we’re NOT Srila Prabhupada’s disciples??…anymore?????!!! This Jayadvaita in this video is a sheer blasphemer!!! 100%!!!! What he says here is his mere opinion… and likely as among those who were jealous/envious of Srila Prabhupada and desired to usurp Prabhupada’s centrality as the ONLY acharya of this time!
Iskcon is Prabhupadas baby and no one elses!!! Only a pure Devotee can bring so many people togheter. He had the same power Krishna had, he is as important as Krishna himself!!!!!! Never ever should one say dont chant Jaya Prabhupada. HE IS OUR ETERNAL FATHER AND WELLWISHER. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada❤️❤️❤️🪷🪷🪷🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏
YES TRUE! Srila Prabhupada is still available as your personal spiritual master. You can accept him as your Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter. More proof: Ritvik Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PLNyvgaBuOihS4CQyJLmIlA7lSMzRCN_fQ Srila Prabhupada's personal servant Gauridasa Pandit Dasa about the Ritvik Order ruclips.net/video/36H2D_mAGkQ/видео.html His Grace Yashoda Nandana Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system ruclips.net/video/yj-ORGGRl3A/видео.html Damaghosh Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system in ISKCON - COMPLETE ruclips.net/video/D7YSqBki9ME/видео.html Gargamuni: Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure ruclips.net/video/p-ffy4CWZ0c/видео.html Gargamuni: Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON ruclips.net/video/RqsnpVixwx4/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Read Srila Prabhupada's books and don't get cheated by the GBC Guru System ruclips.net/video/TPh8ppPOh9Q/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Ritvik empowerment ruclips.net/video/l_RuL-m4He0/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - The origin of ritviks ruclips.net/video/ALk5ZFvfhis/видео.html Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned? ruclips.net/video/PIBqNBMbPvY/видео.html www.prabhupadanugas.eu/books/pdf/Kill-Guru-Become-Guru-Book-One-1.pdf _____________________________________________________ Iskcon Gurus - Maha Demons Of Kali-Yuga Exposed - Open Your eyes ruclips.net/video/J-npkBX8rmo/видео.html Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure H.G. Gargamuni Prabhu ruclips.net/video/p-ffy4CWZ0c/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu Prabhupada Katha - Srila Prabhupada on Drinking Water and Medicine ruclips.net/video/TiOXY4OLwH0/видео.html Gargamuni Prabhu Speaks Out About Radhanatha Maharaja July 2016 ruclips.net/video/q5X2rsNjy3s/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Radhanath Swami Making Veda Vyasa Cheap ruclips.net/video/u1PCPWw0Ygw/видео.html Srila Prabhupada Memories Gargamuni Prabhu - Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON ruclips.net/video/RqsnpVixwx4/видео.html Srila Prabhupada Acharya System equals Ritvik System - Madhu Pandit Dasa ISKCON BANGALORE ruclips.net/video/ZAwHcIIGuBc/видео.html Do not change my words - Srila Prabhupada Memories Gauridasapandit Dasa ruclips.net/video/LvOTKvvVau0/видео.html Hansadutta Dasa ACBSP before his death on the final Ritvik order and Guru scam in ISKCON ruclips.net/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/видео.html Madhu Pandit Dasa Prabhupadacharya system of initiation: Not Rtvik system ruclips.net/video/c6-LjbDjnSo/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the betrayal during Prabhupadas final pastimes and greedy ISKCON Leaders ruclips.net/video/8zKo0FoQYUE/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the wrong translations in Songs of the vaishnava acharyas ruclips.net/video/Bke-IHxxU6I/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on ISKCON UNELECTED GBC SELECTS ISKCON GURUS.. ruclips.net/video/b1mDkFVaTB4/видео.html Ishan Das ACBSP - On SRILA PRABHUPADA AS ONLY DIKSA GURU - GBC made it all up ruclips.net/video/QxD0aSH9j2Y/видео.html (I-1) Rtvik: Invocation And Intro: Srila Prabhupad`s Presentation Ameyatma das ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE Pusta Krishna Swami on Guru Issue 11 Vyasasans Why are you listening to them they are not your Guru ruclips.net/video/-E8SrJiV7Lc/видео.html Ritvik Initiation in ISKCON only from pedophile Guru not Srila Prabhupada ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxA14rKjK7N_3qlOrQbrErbCgOR2xujY_v ISKCON Guru Disobeys Srila Prabhupada? | HG Nimai Nitai Prabhu #shorts ruclips.net/video/Gua7jBHDDpY/видео.html Ramesvara Swami acting as officiating Acharya / ritvik representative in 1980 Krsna Katha Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/video/_WeeZD4Fv6g/видео.html
To the first clip: WOW! Seriously did you actually say "what the hell is that?" So much arrogance! Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON are like sun and sunlight - inseparable. He can be glorified anywhere and anytime. You westerners are so hungry for power. You just cannot understand Vedic system.
Very nice video, I have one question, did Srila Prabhupada allow iskcon devotees to become Motivational speakers. I see that HH Radhanath Swami gives motivational talks at different places but does not speak anything about Bhakti, Krishna, ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada. Same with all his disciples. Can you come up with a video on this as this looks like a deviation from Srila Prabhupada's teachings
All his disciples? That means you have not listened to HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja or his disciples. You have picked what you want to listen to to poke your fingers into it because essentially you are an envious fault finder who has no taste for Harinama, but you live with devotees take the privilege and bite them like a hidden serpent
@@Subbayya80your a blind one aren't you! Damn right I'll find fault because it's there!! There's only one true guru and spiritual master and that's Prahbupada! Raganath was with Kirtinanda in new vrindavan and turned a blind eye to murder and rape of children!! Better do your research and stop blindly following false gurus
I think radhanath is part of the Fake swami group that was lead by tamal who murdered Prabhupada by poisoning His Food with cadmium to try to steal ISKCON..
@@Subbayya80i think if You put HH before radhanaths name You may be being fooled..listen for content of what those fake swamis say..not just what they pretend to say..they have No Bhakti those fake self appointed swamis who murdered Prabhupada by poisoning with cadmium in His Food..watch documentry clip called 'kill Guru become guru' It Has All The Proof..
Without Srila Prabhupada, the Guru's Word has no meaning, and he 'through to understand it,The rest are injured, made by people who deny the work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, are subject to karma, Greetings
I just finished listening to these talks and I feel very sad for those new disciples. They are getting conflicting messages about basic and very relevant points. Who should you chant your pranama mantra to? This guru...that guru....to Srila Prabhupada....secretly? What a great disservice the GBC has done to Srila Prabhupada and to the world. If those fools could simply follow Srila Prabhupadas order then all of this confusion, which is under the mode of ignorance, could be avoided. Srila Prabhupada is your diksa guru...if you choose to be his disciple. If you choose JAS ...then etiquette dictates that he must start their own matha called ,for example....International Society for Jai Advaita Conciousness..ISJAC. As a disciple of His Divine Grace , I find this theft and violation of Srila Prabhupadas' ISKCON reprehensible.
What about this... I am a pujari in iskcon temple and I live with Bhakti Vaibhava Swami and I can tell you that he is not pretending to be a big guru and he has very mature understanding and he says all the things that Sura Prabhu said here. He teaches us to pronounce first the mantra to Srila Prabhupada and than to the diksa guru. SP is the main, samsthapak acarya for all. But still he wanted gurus, you can find many lectures where he says he wants so many gurus. But they give initiation, bringing disciples to the acharya Srila Prabhupada. So it's kind of ritvik, but at the same time not exactly ritvik theory, bringing to acharya, but still they are guru. We need living guru. In every sampradaya they have this system. They aren't direct disciples of eg Ramanuja. You can't be direct disciple of Ramanuja in Sri sampradaya. Isn't it. Guru makes connection to sampradaya. Living guru. Example..there are many rich people, but ALL their wealth comes only from one rich person. In this case S P. And SP is the acarya even of the other sampradayas.
If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru . "When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya vande guroh sri-charanaravindam "The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities." "This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra... Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person." Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada: "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive. "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit "Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya? Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes." Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 77-07-09 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book. Hoping this finds you all well. Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami (Prabhupada signature appears on the original)@@gauranga1008
@@gauranga1008 "When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 "The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject." Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT "The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14 "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
Just give love and take shelter of the names.. simple. To much extra heady stuff.. :-D One who has thus given up all other engagements and has taken full shelter at the lotus feet of Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is very dear to the Lord. Indeed, if such a surrendered soul accidentally commits some sinful activity, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is seated within everyone’s heart, immediately takes away the reaction to such sin. SB 11.5.42 Gosvāmī, Śrīla Rūpa. Bhakti Rasāmṛta Sindhu: Volume One ..... Even Jayadvaita Swami can have a bad day and in this present moment be forgiven and all reactions taken away by taking full shelter... Unfortunately.. When someone has a bad day and its recorded.. the public can be very unforgiving. Love is the answer. Gratitude for the Guru. Prabhupada and your diksha and siksha gurus. With love you can't get it wrong. AT THE SAME TIME... its important to be discerning of when the potency is being brought down by someone's interpretation... In my comparisons of the Gita edits... I find that some of the energy was lost. So I am personally deciding to stick with the Original Gita and not the revised edition. With Love SriKala
So a devotee said as an EXCUSE-- not to chant Prabhupada's names There are so many guru's- in Iskcon . ! WHAT ???? THIS IS DANGEROUS Attitude (poison) Offence in Iskcon.. ..I cant believe anyone one says this,,,,In Prabhupads Temple ! Then -ASK'S_ WHY Chant Srila Prabhuads NAME, ? -Also ,Why should it be a a Law ? The Class speaker say's make a law to make it Happen ??? - THATS --NOT FOR REAL....Just Unbelievable.. ..its come to this very low point within-- Iskcon . !!!! REVIVE Prabhupadas Importance in Iskcon,,,,,NOW . - SAVE PRABHUPADS ISKCON.- From Mission Drift's
There is no other iskcon guru except prabhupad . Show me the letter nominating anyone to be a a Diksha guru ….and if not I will show you the letter of 9/7/1977 . I will show you his will and the may 28th 1977 conversation where he nominated all of you so called gurus representatives only . Priests only . Agents only . Ritviks only .
Ramesvara Das Interview 1979 BOOKCHANGES You can download the recently surfaced Ramesvara Das interview from 1979. Here is a quote from the 300+ page transcript of an interview with Ramesvara das in 1979. I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me. 5-26-2013: GOVINDA DASI SPEAKS OUT: WE MUST PRESERVE SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS ruclips.net/video/0V7Ab7JPqZY/видео.html Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
You and your understanding doesn't belong to Gaudiya sampraday. Dear prabhu please show me HDG Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami maharaj appointing Prabhupada as diksha Guru.
Thank you Svavas Prabhu! I agree with you, Srila Prabhupada is the Acharya, the root guru, the Acharya for the world at this time in history, in the Kali Yuga. He is the Senapati Bhakta sent by Lord Chaitanya,and he will continue to be the Acharya for the next 10,000 years. His books, his ORIGINAL books, will continue to be the law books for the next 10,000 years. Not those books written by Jayadvaita Maharaj.
Jai Adwaita should be banned from entering in to any temple of Srila Prabhupada.. All temples all songs all worship is following only Srila Prabhupada.
Rascal. I can't listen to any more..."somebody else's" guru came from Srila Prabhupada. Atmavan manyate jagat...just because you are not thinking of Prabhupada and getting irritated instead, I really don't see how you can impose that mentality on others.
Jai Prabhupada...Jai Prabhupada...... and JAS,,,has the NERVE to say in anger...... What the HELL is THAT ???? JAS. What the HELL ??? He says -- Its NOT The Prabhupada's SONG, -,WHAT ?????---,, ,well its NOT Your song JAS.... ..IF You want to think of your guru--- GOD FORBID-- ---OMG- He has revealed he is CRAZY--- DEMAND... his Changed - Bhagavad GITA be Banned REMOVED by the BBT. and- Iskcon -End of STORY. as JAS says- - Keep IT AT THAT.-
Quite simply, Srila Prabhupada had said (approx.) - "Look at the Ramakrishna Mission - they have survived so long because they kept Vivekananda in the centre. In the same way, Iskcon should keep me in the centre." I don't think it is very sanguine to say that 'because bogus gurus fell down, therefore everyone must worship Srila Prabhupada'! In Iskcon, which phenomena was Krishna's way of glorifying Srila Prabhupada, is Srila Prabhupada's creation and anyone and everyone who comes to an Iskcon centre must glorify and express respect and gratitude to him who gave Krishna to us and to the world. In one's personal life one may have any Guru, but in Iskcon temples, Srila Prabhuapda must always be in the centre! True disciples of HDG are automatically qualified to be real gurus. And such Guru's are never envious of their own Guru. One who is a grand disciple of HDG can always pray in their hearts to their guru first and ask permission from him to worship his guru, i.e. Srila Prabhupada. Ultimately whenever we are praying or singing a song, I think it is a personal decision whom we want to meditate upon. But for those who want to understand the mission of Srila Prabhupada, they should meditate upon his life story, then with the right mood, one can have the right mood prompted by Paramatma. We shd just be aware to not tolerate anyone who is minimising or competing with HDG Srila Prabhupada, our most merciful saviour and the saviour of the whole world! All glories to Srila Prabhupada! And all glories to all who love HDG and who have full faith that he is the personal associate of Sri Krishna and his authorized representative to spread the Sankirtana Mission of Srimad Mahaprabhu. hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare
Truthfully speaking, Prabhupada means close to the lotus feet of the lord. Hence Prabhu means master or lord and have pada meaning feet. So Prabhupada is a title for Vaishnavas like Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupada and other Vaishnavas present in our sampradaya
There is no one devotee, acharya, rishi, muni, in ISKCON, in the main sects of Vaishnavism, nor even within the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Sampradaya itself with the name, nickname or given the TITLE of, Prabhupada. Even then, if there are many called Prabhupada and not just the Founder of ISKCON, then still, why shouldn't we chant about the Lotus feet where our masters sit? Why do we not glorify the Feet of the Krishna? If the masters sit at His feet, shouldn't we; as lesser than the spiritual masters also surrender to this/that name or personality seen by us? Or are we so egotistical that we think ourselves the master of what we're doing. Jaya Prabhupada! 🙏🏼
And actually, even the VERY FEW who do get given it as a nickname, they are not known offically as Prabhupāda, for the rest it is a title representation. But for us we know that, Bhaktivedanta Swami is known far and wide as Prabhupāda. One at whose feet, the masters sit. While Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati posesses Srila Prabhupāda at the end of his name, no one of this Sampradaya, Tradition, or Lineage gets called and known entirely as: Prabhupāda. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Acharya does again have Srila Prabhupada in his name. But he isn't refered to AS simply Prabhupād. In fact, Bhaktisiddhanta swami is usually called/refered to as "Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur" or "Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami". But A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, is known entirely as just Prabhupada for most. Therefore, we chant Prabhupādas name and still along with the disciplic succesion which has come down to Srila Prabhupāda and very fortunately he had given that to us.
This person is the current personification of Kali. Oh yes, they know exactly what they are doing. If he and his supporters manage to remove Srila Prabhupada's worship from ISKCON, like they are trying to do, it will be no more. Everyone who hopes to attain the blessed service of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna is to worship Srila Prabhupada daily at home and in the Temples. You have another guru? Worship him quietly and separately. In ISKCON Temples, for the next 10,000 years and beyond, 'Samsara' is sung exclusively to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, Jagat Guru, Sri Guru, Shaktyavesh Avatara, external manifestation of the Lord in the Heart, our eternal Spiritual Master and Savior. Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
It is very simple. Whenever we are in the temple and public, everything is centered on Prabhupada. It's his temple. Every temple within ISKCON is an offering to Srila Prabhupada. When we're at home or in exclusive company of our godbrothers. Then the focus can be on our own guru. In both cases, we don't let out chanting Prabhupada's pranam. It's an exchange of love and gratitude. We're FOREVER indebted to Prabhupada who saved us. That will never change.
There's only one Guru and only one spiritual master!! And only one worth singing for!! I feel sorry for anyone that think book changer Jay is a pure devotee of krishna! He's a jealous rascal!!
Ramesvara Das Interview 1979 BOOKCHANGES You can download the recently surfaced Ramesvara Das interview from 1979. Here is a quote from the 300+ page transcript of an interview with Ramesvara das in 1979. I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me. 5-26-2013: GOVINDA DASI SPEAKS OUT: WE MUST PRESERVE SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS ruclips.net/video/0V7Ab7JPqZY/видео.html Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
We can stick a What The Hell Is That meme to every edit of Prabhupada's books he made: CC mad 19.157 original edition: "If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master." CC mad 19.157 edited edition: "Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master." WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!??"
Srila Prabhupada is still available as your personal spiritual master. You can accept him as your Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter. More proof: Ritvik Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PLNyvgaBuOihS4CQyJLmIlA7lSMzRCN_fQ Srila Prabhupada's personal servant Gauridasa Pandit Dasa about the Ritvik Order ruclips.net/video/36H2D_mAGkQ/видео.html His Grace Yashoda Nandana Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system ruclips.net/video/yj-ORGGRl3A/видео.html Damaghosh Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system in ISKCON - COMPLETE ruclips.net/video/D7YSqBki9ME/видео.html Gargamuni: Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure ruclips.net/video/p-ffy4CWZ0c/видео.html Gargamuni: Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON ruclips.net/video/RqsnpVixwx4/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Read Srila Prabhupada's books and don't get cheated by the GBC Guru System ruclips.net/video/TPh8ppPOh9Q/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Ritvik empowerment ruclips.net/video/l_RuL-m4He0/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - The origin of ritviks ruclips.net/video/ALk5ZFvfhis/видео.html Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned? ruclips.net/video/PIBqNBMbPvY/видео.html www.prabhupadanugas.eu/books/pdf/Kill-Guru-Become-Guru-Book-One-1.pdf _____________________________________________________ Iskcon Gurus - Maha Demons Of Kali-Yuga Exposed - Open Your eyes ruclips.net/video/J-npkBX8rmo/видео.html Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure H.G. Gargamuni Prabhu ruclips.net/video/p-ffy4CWZ0c/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu Prabhupada Katha - Srila Prabhupada on Drinking Water and Medicine ruclips.net/video/TiOXY4OLwH0/видео.html Gargamuni Prabhu Speaks Out About Radhanatha Maharaja July 2016 ruclips.net/video/q5X2rsNjy3s/видео.html Garga Muni Prabhu - Radhanath Swami Making Veda Vyasa Cheap ruclips.net/video/u1PCPWw0Ygw/видео.html Srila Prabhupada Memories Gargamuni Prabhu - Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON ruclips.net/video/RqsnpVixwx4/видео.html Srila Prabhupada Acharya System equals Ritvik System - Madhu Pandit Dasa ISKCON BANGALORE ruclips.net/video/ZAwHcIIGuBc/видео.html Do not change my words - Srila Prabhupada Memories Gauridasapandit Dasa ruclips.net/video/LvOTKvvVau0/видео.html Hansadutta Dasa ACBSP before his death on the final Ritvik order and Guru scam in ISKCON ruclips.net/video/_WVcjM_MxSU/видео.html Madhu Pandit Dasa Prabhupadacharya system of initiation: Not Rtvik system ruclips.net/video/c6-LjbDjnSo/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the betrayal during Prabhupadas final pastimes and greedy ISKCON Leaders ruclips.net/video/8zKo0FoQYUE/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the wrong translations in Songs of the vaishnava acharyas ruclips.net/video/Bke-IHxxU6I/видео.html Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on ISKCON UNELECTED GBC SELECTS ISKCON GURUS.. ruclips.net/video/b1mDkFVaTB4/видео.html Ishan Das ACBSP - On SRILA PRABHUPADA AS ONLY DIKSA GURU - GBC made it all up ruclips.net/video/QxD0aSH9j2Y/видео.html (I-1) Rtvik: Invocation And Intro: Srila Prabhupad`s Presentation Ameyatma das ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PL9OOuzY2ZCr-oxLRbIpRB6aiF8JP-clJE Pusta Krishna Swami on Guru Issue 11 Vyasasans Why are you listening to them they are not your Guru ruclips.net/video/-E8SrJiV7Lc/видео.html Ritvik Initiation in ISKCON only from pedophile Guru not Srila Prabhupada ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxA14rKjK7N_3qlOrQbrErbCgOR2xujY_v ISKCON Guru Disobeys Srila Prabhupada? | HG Nimai Nitai Prabhu #shorts ruclips.net/video/Gua7jBHDDpY/видео.html Ramesvara Swami acting as officiating Acharya / ritvik representative in 1980 Krsna Katha Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/video/_WeeZD4Fv6g/видео.html
Samsar Davanala aarti is not written for Prabhupada, so simple to understand. Its' not Prabhupada Ashtak he means. Vaishnavas singing this in Gaudiya math, don't sing it for Prabhupada. It's for showing gratitude towards one's Guru. In coming thousands of years, many Gurus will come and spread Krishna conciousness...so its for Guru parampara and your own Guru. That's the point JAS is making. Humbly requesting not to create issue out of it and create conflicting situation which will only spreads negativity
Yes, this is the way I see it as well. It is really disturbing to read some of the comments being made which are very offensive. Jayadvaita Swami is not anti Prabhupada but wants to get back to the basics of chanting prayers and kirtan in the way Prabhupada wanted. This was explained well, I thought, in his 3 seminars on kirtan standards (RUclips)
We are all Prabhupada's disciple... we are not any body else disciple in Iskcon. Specially not any of these new so called gurus. Jayadvaita is wrong to say 'we don't need to chant prapbhupada mantra ... what an ignorant fool. He should just chant hare krsna and eat prasad. ASK JAYADVAITA IF ATE BEEF OR PORK OR ANY MEAT BEFORE JOINING ISKCON. Prabhupada compassion allowed these meat(beef) eaters to concok the philosophy their own ways
Sura Prabhu from New Dwarka, Los Angeles. Great point and defense. Someone has to stop the insanity. Svavasa Prabhu also, good point. Eliminating Prabhupada pranama and glorification of the acarya is the worst late travesti of these envious authorities.
Wow im only 24secs in and I cant believe what im hearing....I refuse to listen to anymore of this....this is highly offensive to Prabhupada who is guru and founder acharya, the most merciful devotee who gave krsna consciousness to the world for the sake of us fallen souls, I cant allow myself to even listen to a second more of this
i would rather look at my own stool in the toilet over seeing this guys face, at least looking at my own stool wont contaminate me as bad as seeing this guy
2:13 Even mayavadhis singing Sankaracharya prannam mantra 2000 years old achariya's mantra . These so-called gbc devotees can't understand the simple things 😮
Srila Prahupada is on the tongue of the devote. Krishna is always on the tongue of the devotees 💜 Srila Prahupada is my GURU🙏🕉️🙏 prayers are for Krishna 🕉️
I read the original books and follow the original message. I learned these things from my Father who was at New Vrindavan working throughout the late 70s early 80s there isn't anyone I would surrender to besides Prabhupad
A spiritual organization without a living Mahabhagavata will descend to a position that will even make the hardened criminals cringe quote Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil.quote Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati .Nama-aparadha makes one consider that which is transcendental to be material .quote Madurya-kadambini Srila Narayana Maharaja. What i am hearing in this lecture is sentiment i am hearing no truthful siddanta that is being carried by our Guru Parampara.
Another point that applies here is if the spiritual master asks for water and the disciple instead brings milk to the guru, is that desirable? In this case instructions were given by Prabhupada on how to conduct kirtans and somehow those instructions were neglected or not distributed around ISKCON up till the present time. So disciples have carried on methods of kirtan not sanctioned by Prabhupada, and the argument Svavas prabhu made is why change something they have always done? Neither Sura nor Svavas prabhus quote Prabhupada instructions on the matter of what should be chanted during kirtan in their comments. They both only rationalize what should be chanted, meditated upon, and why. But Jayadvaita Swami's comments are based on Prabhupada's instructions and personal example on how to conduct kirtan. And for that he is being discredited. The history of Prabhupada's instructions for kirtans was as follows by Harikesa prabhu: As far as standards go, his (Prabhupada's) instructions could not have been more specific. The exact cause of these instructions was a kirtan in the temple led by Bharadvaja das, the night before. Srila Prabhupada had been in the habit of attending our nightly kirtans and classes due to his being sickly and unable to speak. That evening Bharadvaj chose to sing a song (which he said he got from a book by Gopal Bhatta Goswami) which was a variation on the mantra Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna He, but instead of it being for Krsna, Krsna was replaced with Gaura, so that the mantra went, Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura He &etc. Srila Prabhupada disliked this extremely, so much so that the next morning he called me into his room and wanted from me an explanation of why Bharadvaja was chanting like that. I could not give a proper explanation at that moment, but Prabhupada said that he never wanted to hear that again in the temple and that I should never allow such kinds of ‘speculation’ in kirtan. He then went on to specifically describe how kirtan should be done. More or less his exact words were, > I did not put this section in quotes since it would be highly presumptuous of me to think that I can remember Prabhupada’s exact words after 13 years have passed, but it is close enough for us to learn from.
Ego in the mode of ignorance is what makes a devotee fall, in the Bhagavad-gita Krsna explains to Arjuna about becoming transcendental, meaning that we must surpass the three modes of material nature by becoming Krsna consciousness, jaya Prabhupada!! all glories unto Srila Prabhupada!! it was Prabhupada who taught us how to chant the HareKrsna maha mantra, it was Prabhupada who taught us how live a spiritual life, how to taste prasadam, how to shave and be clean, by His personal examples we learned about a transcendental life in krsna activities, bhakti sadhana, we learn many things that we can't learn in churches or at home, PRABHUPADA is our savior, our boat and captain to travers the ocean of miseries at this time of disagreements and fights...how ungrateful can a conditioned soul be when is in the mode of ignorance?? I offer my most humble respects unto Srila Prabhupada thousands of times every day for as long as Krsna allows me Hare Krsna Om namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya 🙏⚘🌹🎵
Just see. I was initiated by hdg Hamsadutta swami in 78. I immediately joined sanyasa, renounced order. But I was imperfect. You see, I was tasked with leading some female devotees on traveling sankirtan, to raise money. We followed hippie rock concerts like Allmannn Brothers, selling stickers and T-shirts. Hamsadutta told me that bringing money for temple allowed me to have illicit relations. And I did, with each of the sankirtan women. Sometimes two at a time. Let’s just say they broke regulative principle too- they’d consume some protein, I tell you! But I was wrong! I’m still working out that karma.
Theyd consume some protein i tell you!!..Sick..sounds like youre still proud of that crap And to Devotee Women..sry i didnt like the descriptions..sounded illicit..unnessasary to write two at once etc..Great You Came To KC In 78
At 4:54 he most probably refers to the following words of Srila Prabhupada: "That is your American disease. This is very serious that you always want to change everything." (Letter to Bhakta dasa, Bombay 1974)
OMG! OMG! i CAN NOT BELIEVE MY EARS. THIS SENIOR DISCIPLE OF PRABHUPADA SAYING THE SAMSARA SONG IS NOT TO PRABHUPAD!! AM I HEARING RIGHT!! WHAT KIND OF ISKCON DEVOTEE WOULD BE DISTURBED TO HEAR PRABHUPADA'S NAME BEING SCREAMED OUT OUT OF LOVE AND OR APPRICIATION?? CAN SOMEONE JUST CONFIRM THAT THEY SEE PRABHUPADA SITTING ON THE VYASASANA IN EVERY ISKCON TEMPLE, CENTER AS MY EYES SEE? CAN SOMEONE JUST CONFIRM THAT THIS SAMSARA SONG SUNG IN ISKCON ONLY IDENTIFIES OUR PRABHUPADA? dancing in ecstasy, singing, and playing musical instruments, the spiritual master is always gladdened by the sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Because he is relishing the mellows of pure devotion within his mind, sometimes his hair stands on end, he feels quivering in his body, and tears flow from his eyes like waves. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master. WHO ELSE HAS THESE SYMPTOMS? WHO DARES TO CLAIM FALSLY TO HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS! The spiritual master is very dear, because he is expert in assisting the gopis, who at different times make different tasteful arrangements for the perfection of Radha and Krsna's conjugal loving affairs within the groves of Vrndavana. I offer my most humble obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master.
7) The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord, because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. THIS POSITION, THIS WORSHIP, THIS HONOR, THIS GLORIFICATION IS STRICTLY RESERVED IN ISKCON TO THE BONAFIDE ACARYAS not Prabhupada's kids! If it is not clear to you that Srila Prabhupada was just being so kind to call us devotees, pure devotees, maharajas, just to allure us to do more service like a master puts a carrot in front of a donkey, then i feel sorry for you. Please step back and look at yourself and tell us you or your so called guru is a pure devotee? worshipable as good as God, placeable on the alter like Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta in iskcon Vrindavan are! We are all kids compared to Prabhupada and the previous acrayas! Please dont harm yourself and take the kindness of our beloved Prabhupada and our whole parampara as your real level in Bhakti. That is Maya in full effect. SAMSARA IN ISKCON IS FOR PRABHUPADA, GURU PUJA IN ISKCON IS FOR PRABHUPADA, BE WISE DEAR FALLEN SOULS, KNOW YOUR POSITION AND GET THE MERCY, THE LAST SNARE OF MAYA IS TO THINK YOU ARE KRSNA, AND WE CAN ADD OR TO THINK YOU ARE A GURU ON THE LEVEL OF THESE SONGS. DO YOU REALLY THINK BHAKTIVINODA , NAROTAM, VISVANATH, VRINDAVAN DAS, LOCANA DAS, JAYADEVA, KRSNA DAS KAVIRAJ ARE CRYING FOR YOUR ASSOCIATION? THESE SONGS ARE FOR SUCH GURUS, WE SHOULD CRY FOR SUCH GURU ASSOCIATION AS THESE!! BE SERIOUS MAN! JAYAAAAAAAAAAAAA PRABHUPADA! A MILLION TIMES JUST TO AGITATE THIS DEVOTEE'S EARS ! I WILL BE HONEST, I GET MORE HIGH WITH CHANTING PRABHUPADA'S NAMES THAN KRSNA'S NAME, ABSOLUTELY TRUE FOR ME.
Srila Prabhupada never personally chanted the names of any of the Deities. His chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra was sufficient. Srila Prabhupada never chanted the names of SBSST during Mangal Arati. Does that make him envious of SBSST ?
If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru . "When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya vande guroh sri-charanaravindam "The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities." "This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra... Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person." Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada: "This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. " Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive. "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit "Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya? Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes." Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 77-07-09 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book. Hoping this finds you all well. Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami (Prabhupada signature appears on the original)
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 "The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject." Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT "The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14 "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
Its Very Simple..Just Defending Nieve Good New Devotees From Being Misguided..The Truth Is Simple Basic And Clear..Prabhupada Is THE Guru For ISKCON..I Hope New Devotees Look To Krsna And Prabhupada And Everything in Relation From There..
Epic Vaisnav uprad to His holiness his grace Acharya Srila prabhupad. He's exuberating so much negative energy towards Srila Prabhupad. We won't stop you like it or not. We will continue to honor Srila Prabhupad in all songs and kirtan without your holy permission. I couldn't finish the video due to how he disrespect Srila Prabhupad. It's a great offense to even hear him talk such. I simply ignore. JAYA PRABHUPADA PRABHUPADA SRILA PRABHUPADA🪷❤️🥀🦚🌷🌻
When Prabhupada sang jai o Prabhupada that means it represents His Guru BhakthiSidhantha Saraswathi achariya , and when we chant jai o Prabhupada means Srila Prabhupada! This is commonsense thing to understand! Any devotee could understand that 😷😷😷
There was a time long ago when we did Guru puja to Ramesvara Maharaja. It was not in the temple, and we didn't sing Gurvastakam. We sang Ohe Vaishnava Thakura. which means Gurvastakam and Sri Guru Carana Padma are for Prabhupada only.
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330 "The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject." Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT "The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14 "The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want." Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
How can "Jaya Prabhupada!" ever be wrong? We say: "All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!" Not "Some glory" it is "All Glories!" How can a Prabhupada disciple be offended if someone glorifies his spiritual master? How can anyone in ISKCON be offended by the glorification of Prabhupada? Prabhupada is most dear to Radharani, isn´t he? Prabhupada is present in ISKCON and he will always be. Out of spontaneous love you should always be allowed to sing "Jaya Prabhupada!" Am I wrong?
Samsara prayers are a glorification of the spiritual master and not specifically Prabhupada. It is not therefore strictly appropriate to make it about Prabhupada by chanting "jaya Prabhupada" during or after the prayer. Guru Puja is specifically for Prabhupada so it is appropriate to chant jaya Prabhupada then. Prabhupada wanted that only one tune be used for the mangalarati prayers and the HK mantra following this. Simple. No need to add a whole list of extra names or chants.
There is no harm in glorifying Srila Prabhupada, and the Guru Vandana is meant specifically for that. However closely observing the Vaishnava Ettiquette we see that it is not necessary to do s in the middle of the Samsara Dava... Prayers or after Narasimha Aarti. This doesn't mean we stop being grateful for Srila Prabhupad, it's merely ettiquette, our hearts should always be with Srila Prabhupada🙏🙏🙏
We chant guruastakam in vrindavan in front of the samadhi of srila Prabhupada and hence it is always for srila Prabhupada for me. I'm initiated by guru in parampara. Srila Prabhupada is my grand spiritual father and I always sing it to him. In old days at bhaktivedanta manor we used to sing Gurudev kripa bindu diya and we had other gurus pictures lined up we offered flowers to the pictures of our individual guru and this was 15 minutes before guru puja. Then we went to guru puja and it was to Prabhupada as was mangal arti it is all to Prabhupada as he is the founder acharya and centre of this movement for generations to come. 🙏
This man who says" what the hell" should discard his robe and descend from his high horse instead of making such gruesome comments about Srila Prabhupada. There is no way any " gurus" can deliver us from this world except Srila Prabhupada. Only intelligent people can understand who Srila Prabhupada is and will be in the future. No one can establish this position. Chanting pranams is for from Srila Prabhupada to all goswamis , the parampara. Kudos to the Prabhu who is seated and argued with great conviction. No " guru" can establish they are superior to Srila Prabhupada because no one can live up to the standard of Srila Prabhupada. There should be "NO" question about Srila Prabhupada's status or position as the one and only saviour of ISKCON. Period. The so called guru politics should stop. Diksha gurus are only for initiation process, our diksha comes from Srila Prabhupada. There should be no confusion.
The problem with isckon is everyone make himself diksha guru. Where prabhupad never said you can become diksha guru , you all are siksha guru. And shiksha guru job is to take and make everyone the disciple of srila prabhupad.
LETS REALLY LOOK INTO THIS, A PRE 1977 PRABHUPADA DISCIPLE, JAYAADVAITA SWAMI, WHO EDITED PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS, IS DISTURBED WHEN HE HEARS "JAYA PRABHUPADA" SUNG DURING AN OFFERING TO PRABHUPADA. REALLY!! THEN HE IS WORRIED FOR THE DISCIPLES OF SO CALLED OTHER MINI SUB GURUS IN PRABHUPADA'S ISKCON, FEELING BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE MEDITATING ON SOMEONE ELSE WHILE FACING PRABHUPADA'S MURTI FORM SINGING THIS OFFERING TO PRABHUPADA, REALLY!! WHAT DISCIPLE IN ISKCON WILL NOT BE JUMPING OUT OF JOY AND BLISS TO HEAR THE NAME OF PRABHUPADA SCREAMED ANYTIME IN LOVE, AFFECTION AND APPRICIATION TO SRILA PRABHUPADA FOR GIVING US ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WE HAVE, EVERYTHING!! I WILL TELL YOU WAHT KIND OF DISCIPLE, A RASCAL LEAD AND INFLUENCED BY ANOTHER RASCAL! SUCH A DISCIPLE WILL ONLY THINK LIKE THIS IF HE HAS BEEN POISONED BY HIS SO CALLED SUB MINI GURU TO NOT FULLY LOVE AND APPRICIATE PRABHUPADA AS HIS SIKSHA AND DIKSHA GURU!! ENOUGH!! EVERY DISCIPLE IN ISKCON MUST KNOW, FEEL AND EXERIENCE THE TRUTH, SRILA PRABHUPADA IS YOUR ACTUAL SIKSHA AND DIKSHA GURU. BAS! ALL ISKCON PROBLEMS SOLVED. GBC STATES : The GBC Statement words it in this way: Srila Prabhupada, as the Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is the preeminent guru for all members of ISKCON. All members of ISKCON, for all generations, are encouraged to seek shelter of Srila Prabhupada. All members of ISKCON are entitled and encouraged to have a personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada through his books, teachings, service, and his ISKCON society.” “Its not that Srila Prabhupada is meant to be a guru only for his immediate disciples,” said Anuttama. “He is the preeminent spiritual authority for all ISKCON devotees and that will never change.” PRABHUPADA IS THE FOUNDER-ACARYA AND PREEMINENT INSTRUCTING GURU FOR ISKCON FOR ALL TIMES.” --------------------------------------------------------------------- PRABHUPADA STATES IN HIS LAW BOOKS: SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM 4.12.32 .....ACCORDING TO ŚĀSTRIC INJUNCTIONS, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ŚIKṣĀ-GURU AND DĪKṣĀ-GURU, AND GENERALLY THE ŚIKṣĀ-GURU LATER ON BECOMES THE DĪKṣĀ-GURU. PRABHUPADA IS THE FOUNDER-ACARYA AND PREEMINENT INSTRUCTING GURU FOR ISKCON FOR ALL TIMES. Means, if you can add 2 = 2 = 4 SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE DIKSHA GURU FOR ALL ISKCON DEVOTEES. THIS IS WHY PRABHUPADA IS SITTING ON THE VYASASANA IN EVERY ISKCON TEMPLE, IS SITTING ON THE ALTER WITH BHAKTISIDDHANTA THAKUR & GAURA NITAI!! THINK A LITTLE BIT, NEXT SUCH RASCAL ENVIOUS CONSCIOUSNESS WILL BE BREAKING UP ISKCON INTO, MY TEMPLE AND YOUR TEMPLE JUST LIKE THE GAUDIYE MATH AND REMOVING PRABHUPADA FROM THE VYASASANA TO PLACE THEMSELVES THERE SO THAT PRABHUPADA'S KIDNAPPED DISCIPLES WILL WORSHIP THEM INSTEAD OF PRABHUPADA. THE STEPS TOWARDS THIS END IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE. OMG PRABHUPADA, PLEASE PLEASE SAVE US FROM SUCH A SITUATION, I KNOW BOTH YOU AND KRSNA DO NOT INTERFARE WITH THE DESIRES OF THE JIVA AND AS PURE LOVERS YOU MUST FULLFIL THE DESIRES OF ALL JIVAS EVEN IF THEY MOVE AGAINST YOU BUT PLEASE TELL US, SHOW US WHAT WE CAN DO, MUST DO TO OVERIDE & OVER POWER SUCH DESIRES IN YOUR ISKCON.
I would like nothing more than to squeeze the life out of this scrawny demon who's changing Prabhupada's original books and blaspheming His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada . Please, Krishna, please, give me this service. Haribol
yes loved the attention to devotional detail ,i am a new fan to the specific emphasis of jayadvaita swami ....yes he is correct its not a song specifically for our founder acharya alone,rather guru is one !So every disciple must address his guru ijn this prayer!
+ramarama888 Srila Prabhupada is guru. Srila Prabhupada is Acharya and Fundador. Therefore, chant Jaya Prabhupada is correct. Samsara-dava his song describes the quality of genuine spiritual master. Fake gurus in ISKCON cannot be genuine representatives of pure parampara.
ramarama888 Jaiadvaita your guru is a Snake. Better you chant Hare Krishna. And stop being so naive. Jaiadvaita, Tamal Krishna, jaipataka, bhakti Charu, Bhavananda etc all conspired and poisoned Srila Prabupad to death. This is their qualification. Kill guru become guru. Jesus was crucified because of betrayal by Jew and the Jews have done it again this time to Srila Prabupad.
watching ISKCON from inside since 1985 all i could see is a Crooks from Temples management to all so called Spiritual masters.All of them focused on Money!Many so called Gurus openly still money and left! Me is very sorry for many nice devotees who is still liive with a broken heart and broken hopes!Its a sad story!...
Thesis.... Glory to the Sri-Krsna-Sankirtana..... Antithesis..... but I am so unfortunate that I have no attraction for them. Synthesis...... One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly. Unless one practices this humilty (like Sri Prahlad Prabhu) one cannot progress any further, one just stays stuck in formal religion, going thru the motions, usually focusing on other's faults instead of one's own. Santi begins when one stops finding fault in the enviroment and instead sees nothing but (like Sri Prahlad) the Mercy of one's Gurudev, taking all the responsibility for one's suffering. Jaya Sri Prahlad !!!
in London devotees are sitting down playing harmonium DURING ARATI !!! Playing tunes too Indian/difficult to follow. i cannot visit anymore, makes me sad. luckily i have Shelter Elsewhere at Home..... 20 yrs ago Maha Dyuiti prabhu, kept a much better standard, more in line with Srila Prabhupada. why doesn't SOMEONE instruct these devotees on Srila Prabhupada and Gaudiya Vaishnava ettiquette..... Khol Kartals.... Stand Up.... Sing !!! Once in Ireland the devotees in Govinda's sung Lord Narasimhadev's song at the close...... one half of the devotees applauded the other half.... who in turn... BOWED !!! Like they were on stage... i was Gobsmacked, Kirtan is NOT a show, it's meant to be Seva. Satswarup Maharaj had just left the building, moments earlier. Only time i was fortunate to meet him. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !! Jaya Iskcon Sangha !! Jaya All the devotees Ki Jaya !!!!!
ISKCON TRUTH Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP ruclips.net/p/PLNyvgaBuOihS4CQyJLmIlA7lSMzRCN_fQ BOOK CHANGES Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
A society of BRAHMANAS does not require GBC instruction and No One can dictate to other devotees what their spiritual thoughts should be regarding their guru, even if they are misguided by immaturity. What is LAW among Brahmanas?
yes --common sense ----Srila Prabhupada introduced is for him ----his iskcon ---now when none of us here ,still in iskcon we maintain the same system in iskcon ----Now those who want to be glorified go to your disciples home ,but in Iskcon Srila Prabhupada's name is sung 11 gurus ere not gurus ---guru never fall down haha only in iskcon this happens either they are true pure gurus or just elected so called gurus
I can't hardly stand to listen to this. He makes me want to sing Samsara Davanala....even more to Prabupad.....he makes me want to glorify Prabupad even more.....this fellow would be a "nobody" without Prabupad.
How do you know what he would be without Prabhupada? what if Prabhupada neutralized him? you think Prabhupada made him a demon? Why you want to glorify him then?
Preach it! We owe everything to Swami srila Prabhupada. Screw the haters.
Very rightly said
We are all. Nobody without Prabhupad
Very guru is the representatives of the one Guru achaaria Srila Prabhupada! Like Chaithannya Mahaprabhu ! So Prabhupada is our Guru and achaaria and other guru are his chains that means we pointing on Prabhupada! If he is real guru, I mean the individual guru
Srila Prabhupada is here now. He is not gone.
Srila Prabhupada is still here, it is Jayadwaita who is spiritually dead
@@bhaktapeter3501 so is Krishna, let's jump over Prabhupada, go straight to Krishna.......
Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP
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BOOK CHANGES
Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard
ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html
HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya
ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html
Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa
ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html
Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change
ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
Yes the song is to the entire Bhagavat parampara but why get agitated at "jaya Prabhupada"?
because he wants everyone to worship him, not Prabhupada. He wants to replace Prabhupad.
JDS is nuts the other guy is pretender.He says nothing should be changed and that the American deases is that they change everything.THE FACT IS WE CHANTED SAMSARA TO Prabhupada not because he was founder acharya but because he was initiating guru of all the the devotees which has changed NOW .This chanting Because he is the founder acharaya which was not case THEN .
Because he hates Prabhupada! Golden egg chicken! They like the rectum no the mouth ! Rascal number one !?
He's also the one who changed Prahbupads books
@@bhaktapeter3501him and the others in his fake swami group including in gbc that murdered Prabhupada with cadmium poison in Food to then try to steal ISKCON From their gbc and then fake self appointed swami status to be praised as if swamis while doing so
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want." (Letter to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)
Thanks for providing this information.
I wrote this...please write what you think about it....
.... I am a pujari in iskcon temple and I live with Bhakti Vaibhava Swami and I can tell you that he is not pretending to be a big guru and he has very mature understanding and he says all the things that Sura Prabhu said here. He teaches us to pronounce first the mantra to Srila Prabhupada and than to the diksa guru. SP is the main, samsthapak acarya for all. But still he wanted gurus, you can find many lectures where he says he wants so many gurus. But they give initiation, bringing disciples to the acharya Srila Prabhupada. So it's kind of ritvik, but at the same time not exactly ritvik theory, bringing to acharya, but still they are guru. We need living guru. In every sampradaya they have this system. They aren't direct disciples of eg Ramanuja. You can't be direct disciple of Ramanuja in Sri sampradaya. Isn't it. Guru makes connection to sampradaya. Living guru. Example..there are many rich people, but ALL their wealth comes only from one rich person. In this case S P. And SP is the acarya even of the other sampradayas.
@@gauranga1008 If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru .
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka
sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair
uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih
kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
vande guroh sri-charanaravindam
"The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities."
"This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra...
Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person."
Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana
note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada:
"This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. "
Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles
Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive.
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
"Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya?
Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes."
Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana
Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
77-07-09
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done.
The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.
The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
(Prabhupada signature appears on the original)
@@nitai-gauradasa6841 Hare Krsna Prabhu! Please accept my dandavat pranām! Your knowledge to the depth of this subject matter is astounding. I am glad that you have explicitly put forward the necessary facts. Only an ignorant mind would refrain himself/herself to accept the truth.
Are you a devotee based at ISKCON Bangaluru Hare Krsna Hill Temple?
All glories to Sri Rādhā Krsna Chandra!
All glories to Nitāi- Gaurānga!
All glories to Srila Prabhupāda!
These so called gurus only had permission to make deciples in the name of Prabhupad! There is only one true guru and spiritual master and that is his Devine grace. These rascals that changed the books and want to have their feet washed are full of envy and are filled with ego. I read the original books and only worship Prabhupad and the deities.
Dikśa or Sikśa, not the same.
No matter what anyone says I will pay pranama to Srila Prabhupada every time I chant Hare Krishna. These self styled gurus don't have any authority to stop me from respecting my spiritual master. People in ISKCON should never forget that who initiated this movement. It is unfortunate to see that jayadvaita swami has become arrogant enough to disrespect his own Guru and take his place.
right on!! Jaya prabhupada!!
well said pr
Jaya Jaya Prabhupada
yes and prabhupad says that a real guru is always talks about Krsna... see Prabhupad.. He always relate everything with Krsna.. but these gurus.. discriminating another Vaishnava and using word like Hell at the place where guru talks.. that even not close to Krishna devotee... like Aindhra prabhu says... it is Krishna's job to establish dharma.. Krsna and Prabupad will preserve ISKCON.. do not worry... there's Krsna for us....
The world wide ISKCON right now is taken over by these pigs and they are confusing the innocent devotees. Sabotaging the great endeavor of Srila Prabhupada. Those who are interested in the clarity of the subject matter of Guru and wants to practice Krsna Bhakti as it was during Prabhupada's time, they must visit ISKCON Bangalore, Hare Krishna Hill or its branches Hare Krishna Movement under the supervision of HH Madhupandit Dasa. There you can gladly glorify only Prabhupada. No nonsense bogus Guru business in ISKCON Bangalore. Following Prabhupada's instructions as it is, therefore they are very progressive.
this guy jayadaita has some serious issues in his mind. also this is same guy changing all Srila Prabhupada's books...what is happened to iskcon. I wished Srila Prabhupada can come again physically or send the next acharya soon to straighten these ppl out. ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!! GURU OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!
Rasa Overlie Jaiadvaita Snake changing of Srila Prabupad 's books is criminal. Why has ABC allowed this.? The original books of Srila Prabupad must be brought back.
I Agreed. Must bring back
@@truthprevail9694 ISKCON Bangalore, Hare Krishna Hill has forced BBT to publish original copies only for the orders they make.
@@truthprevail9694 prabhupada allowed him
ISKCON is becoming more and more factionalized, just as Srila Prabhupada predicted would happen if there is more than one initiating guru!
Skip to 3:15 then hear Surya dasa give a wonderful support for chanting the divine pranam mantras and worship of His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Nice speech to watch after that first one.
Jayadwaita is spiritually dead, Srila Prabhupada is still alive!
Truth!
@@GitaJayantiInternational thank you.
Sril Prabhupad is the soul spirit and the life force of this mission
you remove him and the mission is gone
even if you mention of how can we would not say his name
the very mention makes us polluted
Sril Prabhupad is unparallelled
no one can ever take his place
Horror of all horrors. Exposure by speaking. No respect or love for Srila Prabhupada. That is reflected in his writings too. Disdain is the word that comes to mind. Demons speaking through a saffron clad tilaka wearing cheat.
Srila Prabhupada left us with more than enough instructions to know who are not bonafide devotees
Brew Slee
We are not so pure to
Judge other devotee
He said Srila Prabhupada gives us instructions to discriminate.
All you need is eyes and a little street smarts to see who's real and who's not. The information is all out there about these false gurus
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 11,Chapter 17, Text 27 - KRSNA Himself says:” One should know The Acharya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is The Representative Of All The Demi gods.”
Srila Prahupada the only Diksa Acharya for this Kaliyuga. If this is accepted, everything else just naturally falls into place. We can all be siksa gurus- every time we teach someone about Krsna, but no-one other than Prabhupada can take us back to Godhead.
Prabhupada is the Diksha Guru and Siksha Guru as well. Why do we are so interested in adhering Guru to ourselves only to be puffed up. We are preaching someone Krishna Consciousness only because Srila Prabhupada made it easier for us by giving all knowledge right into our hand and now we want to address ourselve as Siksha Guru. It is so ridiculous.
@@rangerover2021 Every Diksha guru is a Siksha guru, but every siksha guru can't be Diksha guru. Only a pure soul can give diksha , and libaret a soul. Conditioned souls can't be Diksha guru, they are conditioned themselves, how will they libaret others?
@@pranabharisevak893 Exactly what I say!
Krishna can't tolerate if anyone insults his pure devotee like srila prabhupada
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!! To Hell with all these fake, demonic, self-appointed gurus! Can you believe people still follow these ''rascals''?
SHARE THIS VIDEO--Make IT VIRAL...Educate Devotees,...We are Losing HDG Srila Prabhupads INTENDED--Original =(pure) -ISKCON,,,Its a Clear and Present DANGER !
We have only one spiritual master that is Srila prabhupad All glories to Srila prabhupad The others are just preachers
And some are rascal criminals! Raganath was with Kirtinanda in new vrindavan and turned a blind eye while murder and rape of children was being committed
Now we’re NOT Srila Prabhupada’s disciples??…anymore?????!!! This Jayadvaita in this video is a sheer blasphemer!!! 100%!!!! What he says here is his mere opinion… and likely as among those who were jealous/envious of Srila Prabhupada and desired to usurp Prabhupada’s centrality as the ONLY acharya of this time!
That prabhu in white made so much sense ... Jai Srila Prabhupada!
Sura Das .
Iskcon is Prabhupadas baby and no one elses!!! Only a pure Devotee can bring so many people togheter. He had the same power Krishna had, he is as important as Krishna himself!!!!!! Never ever should one say dont chant Jaya Prabhupada. HE IS OUR ETERNAL FATHER AND WELLWISHER. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada❤️❤️❤️🪷🪷🪷🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏
YES TRUE! Srila Prabhupada is still available as your personal spiritual master. You can accept him as your Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter. More proof:
Ritvik Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP
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Srila Prabhupada's personal servant Gauridasa Pandit Dasa about the Ritvik Order
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His Grace Yashoda Nandana Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system
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Damaghosh Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system in ISKCON - COMPLETE
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Gargamuni: Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure
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Gargamuni: Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Read Srila Prabhupada's books and don't get cheated by the GBC Guru System
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Ritvik empowerment
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Garga Muni Prabhu - The origin of ritviks
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Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned?
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www.prabhupadanugas.eu/books/pdf/Kill-Guru-Become-Guru-Book-One-1.pdf
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Iskcon Gurus - Maha Demons Of Kali-Yuga Exposed - Open Your eyes
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Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure H.G. Gargamuni Prabhu
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Garga Muni Prabhu Prabhupada Katha - Srila Prabhupada on Drinking Water and Medicine
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Gargamuni Prabhu Speaks Out About Radhanatha Maharaja July 2016
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Radhanath Swami Making Veda Vyasa Cheap
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Srila Prabhupada Memories Gargamuni Prabhu - Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON
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Srila Prabhupada Acharya System equals Ritvik System - Madhu Pandit Dasa ISKCON BANGALORE
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Do not change my words - Srila Prabhupada Memories Gauridasapandit Dasa
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Hansadutta Dasa ACBSP before his death on the final Ritvik order and Guru scam in ISKCON
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Madhu Pandit Dasa Prabhupadacharya system of initiation: Not Rtvik system
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the betrayal during Prabhupadas final pastimes and greedy ISKCON Leaders
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the wrong translations in Songs of the vaishnava acharyas
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on ISKCON UNELECTED GBC SELECTS ISKCON GURUS..
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Ishan Das ACBSP - On SRILA PRABHUPADA AS ONLY DIKSA GURU - GBC made it all up
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(I-1) Rtvik: Invocation And Intro: Srila Prabhupad`s Presentation Ameyatma das ACBSP
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Pusta Krishna Swami on Guru Issue 11 Vyasasans Why are you listening to them they are not your Guru
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Ritvik Initiation in ISKCON only from pedophile Guru not Srila Prabhupada
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ISKCON Guru Disobeys Srila Prabhupada? | HG Nimai Nitai Prabhu #shorts
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Ramesvara Swami acting as officiating Acharya / ritvik representative in 1980 Krsna Katha Dasa ACBSP
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To the first clip: WOW! Seriously did you actually say "what the hell is that?" So much arrogance! Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON are like sun and sunlight - inseparable. He can be glorified anywhere and anytime. You westerners are so hungry for power. You just cannot understand Vedic system.
i agree with you but indians also have become hungry for position.
are You serious!? western devotee's? and indian bodied devotee's are sinless?
Very nice video, I have one question, did Srila Prabhupada allow iskcon devotees to become Motivational speakers. I see that HH Radhanath Swami gives motivational talks at different places but does not speak anything about Bhakti, Krishna, ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada. Same with all his disciples. Can you come up with a video on this as this looks like a deviation from Srila Prabhupada's teachings
All his disciples? That means you have not listened to HH Radhanath Swami Maharaja or his disciples. You have picked what you want to listen to to poke your fingers into it because essentially you are an envious fault finder who has no taste for Harinama, but you live with devotees take the privilege and bite them like a hidden serpent
Exactly, deviations from Srila Prabhupada for popularity
@@Subbayya80your a blind one aren't you! Damn right I'll find fault because it's there!! There's only one true guru and spiritual master and that's Prahbupada! Raganath was with Kirtinanda in new vrindavan and turned a blind eye to murder and rape of children!! Better do your research and stop blindly following false gurus
I think radhanath is part of the Fake swami group that was lead by tamal who murdered Prabhupada by poisoning His Food with cadmium to try to steal ISKCON..
@@Subbayya80i think if You put HH before radhanaths name You may be being fooled..listen for content of what those fake swamis say..not just what they pretend to say..they have No Bhakti those fake self appointed swamis who murdered Prabhupada by poisoning with cadmium in His Food..watch documentry clip called 'kill Guru become guru' It Has All The Proof..
Jaya Srila Prabhupada, Jaya Srila Prabhupada.hare Krishna.
LOUDER!!!!!
Without Srila Prabhupada, the Guru's Word has no meaning, and he 'through to understand it,The rest are injured, made by people who deny the work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, are subject to karma, Greetings
I just finished listening to these talks and I feel very sad for those new disciples. They are getting conflicting messages about basic and very relevant points. Who should you chant your pranama mantra to? This guru...that guru....to Srila Prabhupada....secretly? What a great disservice the GBC has done to Srila Prabhupada and to the world.
If those fools could simply follow Srila Prabhupadas order then all of this confusion, which is under the mode of ignorance, could be avoided.
Srila Prabhupada is your diksa guru...if you choose to be his disciple. If you choose JAS ...then etiquette dictates that he must start their own matha called ,for example....International Society for Jai Advaita Conciousness..ISJAC.
As a disciple of His Divine Grace , I find this theft and violation of Srila Prabhupadas' ISKCON reprehensible.
What about this... I am a pujari in iskcon temple and I live with Bhakti Vaibhava Swami and I can tell you that he is not pretending to be a big guru and he has very mature understanding and he says all the things that Sura Prabhu said here. He teaches us to pronounce first the mantra to Srila Prabhupada and than to the diksa guru. SP is the main, samsthapak acarya for all. But still he wanted gurus, you can find many lectures where he says he wants so many gurus. But they give initiation, bringing disciples to the acharya Srila Prabhupada. So it's kind of ritvik, but at the same time not exactly ritvik theory, bringing to acharya, but still they are guru. We need living guru. In every sampradaya they have this system. They aren't direct disciples of eg Ramanuja. You can't be direct disciple of Ramanuja in Sri sampradaya. Isn't it. Guru makes connection to sampradaya. Living guru. Example..there are many rich people, but ALL their wealth comes only from one rich person. In this case S P. And SP is the acarya even of the other sampradayas.
If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru .
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka
sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair
uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih
kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
vande guroh sri-charanaravindam
"The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities."
"This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra...
Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person."
Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana
note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada:
"This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. "
Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles
Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive.
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
"Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya?
Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes."
Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana
Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
77-07-09
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done.
The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.
The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
(Prabhupada signature appears on the original)@@gauranga1008
@@gauranga1008 "When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
"The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject."
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT
"The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
Just give love and take shelter of the names.. simple. To much extra heady stuff.. :-D
One who has thus given up all other engagements and has taken full shelter at the lotus feet of Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is very dear to the Lord. Indeed, if such a surrendered soul accidentally commits some sinful activity, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is seated within everyone’s heart, immediately takes away the reaction to such sin. SB 11.5.42
Gosvāmī, Śrīla Rūpa. Bhakti Rasāmṛta Sindhu: Volume One
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Even Jayadvaita Swami can have a bad day and in this present moment be forgiven and all reactions taken away by taking full shelter... Unfortunately.. When someone has a bad day and its recorded.. the public can be very unforgiving. Love is the answer. Gratitude for the Guru. Prabhupada and your diksha and siksha gurus. With love you can't get it wrong.
AT THE SAME TIME... its important to be discerning of when the potency is being brought down by someone's interpretation... In my comparisons of the Gita edits... I find that some of the energy was lost. So I am personally deciding to stick with the Original Gita and not the revised edition.
With Love
SriKala
What kind of teacher uses this type of language in his classes? Very strange, does he no longer want to hear Prabupada's name?
So a devotee said as an EXCUSE-- not to chant Prabhupada's names
There are so many guru's- in Iskcon . ! WHAT ????
THIS IS DANGEROUS Attitude (poison) Offence in Iskcon..
..I cant believe anyone one says this,,,,In Prabhupads Temple !
Then -ASK'S_ WHY Chant Srila Prabhuads NAME, ?
-Also ,Why should it be a a Law ?
The Class speaker say's make a law to make it Happen ??? -
THATS --NOT FOR REAL....Just Unbelievable..
..its come to this very low point within-- Iskcon . !!!!
REVIVE Prabhupadas Importance in Iskcon,,,,,NOW . -
SAVE PRABHUPADS ISKCON.- From Mission Drift's
There is no other iskcon guru except prabhupad . Show me the letter nominating anyone to be a a Diksha guru ….and if not I will show you the letter of 9/7/1977 . I will show you his will and the may 28th 1977 conversation where he nominated all of you so called gurus representatives only . Priests only . Agents only . Ritviks only .
Ramesvara Das Interview 1979 BOOKCHANGES
You can download the recently surfaced Ramesvara Das interview from 1979. Here is a quote from the 300+ page transcript of an interview with Ramesvara das in 1979.
I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me.
5-26-2013: GOVINDA DASI SPEAKS OUT: WE MUST PRESERVE SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS ruclips.net/video/0V7Ab7JPqZY/видео.html
Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard
ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html
HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya
ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html
Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa
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Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change
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You and your understanding doesn't belong to Gaudiya sampraday. Dear prabhu please show me HDG Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Goswami maharaj appointing Prabhupada as diksha Guru.
Thank you Svavas Prabhu! I agree with you, Srila Prabhupada is the Acharya, the root guru, the Acharya for the world at this time in history, in the Kali Yuga. He is the Senapati Bhakta sent by Lord Chaitanya,and he will continue to be the Acharya for the next 10,000 years. His books, his ORIGINAL books, will continue to be the law books for the next 10,000 years. Not those books written by Jayadvaita Maharaj.
Jai Adwaita should be banned from entering in to any temple of Srila Prabhupada.. All temples all songs all worship is following only Srila Prabhupada.
oh Krishna this is so offensive. offensive even to hear.
Yes! This is how a cultured human heart should respond...
Rascal. I can't listen to any more..."somebody else's" guru came from Srila Prabhupada. Atmavan manyate jagat...just because you are not thinking of Prabhupada and getting irritated instead, I really don't see how you can impose that mentality on others.
Jai Prabhupada...Jai Prabhupada......
and JAS,,,has the NERVE to say in anger......
What the HELL is THAT ???? JAS. What the HELL ???
He says -- Its NOT The Prabhupada's SONG, -,WHAT ?????---,,
,well its NOT Your song JAS....
..IF You want to think of your guru--- GOD FORBID--
---OMG- He has revealed he is CRAZY--- DEMAND...
his Changed - Bhagavad GITA be Banned REMOVED by the BBT.
and- Iskcon -End of STORY.
as JAS says- - Keep IT AT THAT.-
Jay Prabhupad, Jaya Prabhupada... Jay Jay Srila Prabhupada... Vande Guru Shri Charanarvindam..
Srila Prabhupad ki Jay!!💐💐
Quite simply, Srila Prabhupada had said (approx.) - "Look at the Ramakrishna Mission - they have survived so long because they kept Vivekananda in the centre. In the same way, Iskcon should keep me in the centre."
I don't think it is very sanguine to say that 'because bogus gurus fell down, therefore everyone must worship Srila Prabhupada'! In Iskcon, which phenomena was Krishna's way of glorifying Srila Prabhupada, is Srila Prabhupada's creation and anyone and everyone who comes to an Iskcon centre must glorify and express respect and gratitude to him who gave Krishna to us and to the world. In one's personal life one may have any Guru, but in Iskcon temples, Srila Prabhuapda must always be in the centre!
True disciples of HDG are automatically qualified to be real gurus. And such Guru's are never envious of their own Guru.
One who is a grand disciple of HDG can always pray in their hearts to their guru first and ask permission from him to worship his guru, i.e. Srila Prabhupada.
Ultimately whenever we are praying or singing a song, I think it is a personal decision whom we want to meditate upon. But for those who want to understand the mission of Srila Prabhupada, they should meditate upon his life story, then with the right mood, one can have the right mood prompted by Paramatma.
We shd just be aware to not tolerate anyone who is minimising or competing with HDG Srila Prabhupada, our most merciful saviour and the saviour of the whole world! All glories to Srila Prabhupada! And all glories to all who love HDG and who have full faith that he is the personal associate of Sri Krishna and his authorized representative to spread the Sankirtana Mission of Srimad Mahaprabhu. hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare
Hare Krsna prabhu, you wrote it very well.
Truthfully speaking, Prabhupada means close to the lotus feet of the lord. Hence Prabhu means master or lord and have pada meaning feet. So Prabhupada is a title for Vaishnavas like Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupada and other Vaishnavas present in our sampradaya
There is no one devotee, acharya, rishi, muni, in ISKCON, in the main sects of Vaishnavism, nor even within the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Sampradaya itself with the name, nickname or given the TITLE of,
Prabhupada. Even then, if there are many called Prabhupada and not just the Founder of ISKCON, then still, why shouldn't we chant about the Lotus feet where our masters sit? Why do we not glorify the Feet of the Krishna? If the masters sit at His feet, shouldn't we; as lesser than the spiritual masters also surrender to this/that name or personality seen by us? Or are we so egotistical that we think ourselves the master of what we're doing. Jaya Prabhupada! 🙏🏼
And actually, even the VERY FEW who do get given it as a nickname, they are not known offically as Prabhupāda, for the rest it is a title representation. But for us we know that, Bhaktivedanta Swami is known far and wide as Prabhupāda. One at whose feet, the masters sit. While Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati posesses Srila Prabhupāda at the end of his name, no one of this Sampradaya, Tradition, or Lineage gets called and known entirely as: Prabhupāda. Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Acharya does again have Srila Prabhupada in his name. But he isn't refered to AS simply Prabhupād. In fact, Bhaktisiddhanta swami is usually called/refered to as "Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur" or "Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami". But A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, is known entirely as just Prabhupada for most. Therefore, we chant Prabhupādas name and still along with the disciplic succesion which has come down to Srila Prabhupāda and very fortunately he had given that to us.
This person is the current personification of Kali. Oh yes, they know exactly what they are doing. If he and his supporters manage to remove Srila Prabhupada's worship from ISKCON, like they are trying to do, it will be no more. Everyone who hopes to attain the blessed service of Sri Sri Radha and Krishna is to worship Srila Prabhupada daily at home and in the Temples. You have another guru? Worship him quietly and separately. In ISKCON Temples, for the next 10,000 years and beyond, 'Samsara' is sung exclusively to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, Jagat Guru, Sri Guru, Shaktyavesh Avatara, external manifestation of the Lord in the Heart, our eternal Spiritual Master and Savior. Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
This is a destroyer of Prabhupada's movement and should be kicked out of ISKCON. He even changed the text in Prahupada's books.
It is very simple. Whenever we are in the temple and public, everything is centered on Prabhupada. It's his temple. Every temple within ISKCON is an offering to Srila Prabhupada.
When we're at home or in exclusive company of our godbrothers. Then the focus can be on our own guru. In both cases, we don't let out chanting Prabhupada's pranam.
It's an exchange of love and gratitude. We're FOREVER indebted to Prabhupada who saved us. That will never change.
All Glories to Lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada! Hare Krsna!
There's only one Guru and only one spiritual master!! And only one worth singing for!! I feel sorry for anyone that think book changer Jay is a pure devotee of krishna! He's a jealous rascal!!
Ramesvara Das Interview 1979 BOOKCHANGES
You can download the recently surfaced Ramesvara Das interview from 1979. Here is a quote from the 300+ page transcript of an interview with Ramesvara das in 1979.
I’ve had many experiences with Prabhupada literally drilling me, pounding it into my head that you’re never allowed to change anything in his books. He trained me so intensely on this point. Even when the changes make sense he wouldn’t let me change. Just to train me.
5-26-2013: GOVINDA DASI SPEAKS OUT: WE MUST PRESERVE SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS ruclips.net/video/0V7Ab7JPqZY/видео.html
Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard
ruclips.net/video/Mis6E2nJw5c/видео.html
HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya
ruclips.net/video/bD5IzAXt9qY/видео.html
Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa
ruclips.net/video/0Jk-4lrUvRU/видео.html
Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change
ruclips.net/video/l4rOg1ZcJDg/видео.html
We can stick a What The Hell Is That meme to every edit of Prabhupada's books he made:
CC mad 19.157 original edition: "If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master."
CC mad 19.157 edited edition: "Even if one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Krsna Consciousness Society, still one should stick to the Society; if one thinks the Society’s members are not pure devotees, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master." WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!??"
Srila Prabhupada is still available as your personal spiritual master. You can accept him as your Guru as per July 9th 1977 letter. More proof:
Ritvik Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP
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Srila Prabhupada's personal servant Gauridasa Pandit Dasa about the Ritvik Order
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His Grace Yashoda Nandana Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system
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Damaghosh Prabhu discusses on Srila Prabhupada and the Ritvik system in ISKCON - COMPLETE
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Gargamuni: Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure
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Gargamuni: Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Read Srila Prabhupada's books and don't get cheated by the GBC Guru System
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Ritvik empowerment
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Garga Muni Prabhu - The origin of ritviks
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Was Srila Prabhupada Poisoned?
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www.prabhupadanugas.eu/books/pdf/Kill-Guru-Become-Guru-Book-One-1.pdf
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Iskcon Gurus - Maha Demons Of Kali-Yuga Exposed - Open Your eyes
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Proof Prabhupada is a Pure Devotee + ISKCON gurus are not pure H.G. Gargamuni Prabhu
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Garga Muni Prabhu Prabhupada Katha - Srila Prabhupada on Drinking Water and Medicine
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Gargamuni Prabhu Speaks Out About Radhanatha Maharaja July 2016
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Garga Muni Prabhu - Radhanath Swami Making Veda Vyasa Cheap
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Srila Prabhupada Memories Gargamuni Prabhu - Bookchanges + Prabhupada is the only Acharya of ISKCON
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Srila Prabhupada Acharya System equals Ritvik System - Madhu Pandit Dasa ISKCON BANGALORE
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Do not change my words - Srila Prabhupada Memories Gauridasapandit Dasa
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Hansadutta Dasa ACBSP before his death on the final Ritvik order and Guru scam in ISKCON
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Madhu Pandit Dasa Prabhupadacharya system of initiation: Not Rtvik system
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the betrayal during Prabhupadas final pastimes and greedy ISKCON Leaders
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on the wrong translations in Songs of the vaishnava acharyas
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Nara Narayana Dasa ACBSP on ISKCON UNELECTED GBC SELECTS ISKCON GURUS..
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Ishan Das ACBSP - On SRILA PRABHUPADA AS ONLY DIKSA GURU - GBC made it all up
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(I-1) Rtvik: Invocation And Intro: Srila Prabhupad`s Presentation Ameyatma das ACBSP
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Pusta Krishna Swami on Guru Issue 11 Vyasasans Why are you listening to them they are not your Guru
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Ritvik Initiation in ISKCON only from pedophile Guru not Srila Prabhupada
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ISKCON Guru Disobeys Srila Prabhupada? | HG Nimai Nitai Prabhu #shorts
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Ramesvara Swami acting as officiating Acharya / ritvik representative in 1980 Krsna Katha Dasa ACBSP
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so much power in prabhupadas pranam mantra
Samsar Davanala aarti is not written for Prabhupada, so simple to understand. Its' not Prabhupada Ashtak he means. Vaishnavas singing this in Gaudiya math, don't sing it for Prabhupada. It's for showing gratitude towards one's Guru. In coming thousands of years, many Gurus will come and spread Krishna conciousness...so its for Guru parampara and your own Guru. That's the point JAS is making. Humbly requesting not to create issue out of it and create conflicting situation which will only spreads negativity
Yes, this is the way I see it as well. It is really disturbing to read some of the comments being made which are very offensive. Jayadvaita Swami is not anti Prabhupada but wants to get back to the basics of chanting prayers and kirtan in the way Prabhupada wanted. This was explained well, I thought, in his 3 seminars on kirtan standards (RUclips)
We are all Prabhupada's disciple... we are not any body else disciple in Iskcon. Specially not any of these new so called gurus. Jayadvaita is wrong to say 'we don't need to chant prapbhupada mantra ... what an ignorant fool. He should just chant hare krsna and eat prasad. ASK JAYADVAITA IF ATE BEEF OR PORK OR ANY MEAT BEFORE JOINING ISKCON. Prabhupada compassion allowed these meat(beef) eaters to concok the philosophy their own ways
Jai Prabhupada🙌🙌🙌🙌
😊😳
Louder, please!!!
Sura Prabhu from New Dwarka, Los Angeles. Great point and defense. Someone has to stop the insanity. Svavasa Prabhu also, good point. Eliminating Prabhupada pranama and glorification of the acarya is the worst late travesti of these envious authorities.
There is one rascal in iskcon called Chaitanya Caran das, disciple of Radhanath Swami who says Srila Prabhupada is not perfect.
Really ??? He said like that ? Will u plz refer the video?
@Myself Winner i want to know more about this topic .. will chat with me on telegram where u didn't need to share no.. ? If u don't mind
Anil Kumar what a dog one must be to say such an offensive thing eh? They all deserve what’s coming and more.
Where’s the proof?
Depends how you define perfect.
Wow im only 24secs in and I cant believe what im hearing....I refuse to listen to anymore of this....this is highly offensive to Prabhupada who is guru and founder acharya, the most merciful devotee who gave krsna consciousness to the world for the sake of us fallen souls, I cant allow myself to even listen to a second more of this
''Greatest sinisters are with in our family''
i would rather look at my own stool in the toilet over seeing this guys face, at least looking at my own stool wont contaminate me as bad as seeing this guy
2:13 Even mayavadhis singing Sankaracharya prannam mantra 2000 years old achariya's mantra . These so-called gbc devotees can't understand the simple things 😮
Srila Prahupada is on the tongue of the devote. Krishna is always on the tongue of the devotees 💜 Srila Prahupada is my GURU🙏🕉️🙏 prayers are for Krishna 🕉️
Jaya Prabhupada!
I read the original books and follow the original message. I learned these things from my Father who was at New Vrindavan working throughout the late 70s early 80s there isn't anyone I would surrender to besides Prabhupad
A spiritual organization without a living Mahabhagavata will descend to a position that will even make the hardened criminals cringe quote Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.The church that has the best chance of survival in this damned world is that of atheism under the convenient guise of theism. The churches have always proved the staunchest upholders of the grossest form of worldliness from which even the worst of non-ecclesiastical criminals are found to recoil.quote Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati .Nama-aparadha makes one consider that which is transcendental to be material .quote Madurya-kadambini Srila Narayana Maharaja. What i am hearing in this lecture is sentiment i am hearing no truthful siddanta that is being carried by our Guru Parampara.
Video works well said , Om tat sat
Another point that applies here is if the spiritual master asks for water and the disciple instead brings milk to the guru, is that desirable? In this case instructions were given by Prabhupada on how to conduct kirtans and somehow those instructions were neglected or not distributed around ISKCON up till the present time. So disciples have carried on methods of kirtan not sanctioned by Prabhupada, and the argument Svavas prabhu made is why change something they have always done? Neither Sura nor Svavas prabhus quote Prabhupada instructions on the matter of what should be chanted during kirtan in their comments. They both only rationalize what should be chanted, meditated upon, and why. But Jayadvaita Swami's comments are based on Prabhupada's instructions and personal example on how to conduct kirtan. And for that he is being discredited. The history of Prabhupada's instructions for kirtans was as follows by Harikesa prabhu:
As far as standards go, his (Prabhupada's) instructions could not have been more specific. The exact cause of these instructions was a kirtan in the temple led by Bharadvaja das, the night before. Srila Prabhupada had been in the habit of attending our nightly kirtans and classes due to his being sickly and unable to speak. That evening Bharadvaj chose to sing a song (which he said he got from a book by Gopal Bhatta Goswami) which was a variation on the mantra Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna Krsna He, but instead of it being for Krsna, Krsna was replaced with Gaura, so that the mantra went, Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura Gaura He &etc. Srila Prabhupada disliked this extremely, so much so that the next morning he called me into his room and wanted from me an explanation of why Bharadvaja was chanting like that. I could not give a proper explanation at that moment, but Prabhupada said that he never wanted to hear that again in the temple and that I should never allow such kinds of ‘speculation’ in kirtan. He then went on to specifically describe how kirtan should be done.
More or less his exact words were, > I did not put this section in quotes since it would be highly presumptuous of me to think that I can remember Prabhupada’s exact words after 13 years have passed, but it is close enough for us to learn from.
Ego in the mode of ignorance is what makes a devotee fall, in the Bhagavad-gita Krsna explains to Arjuna about becoming transcendental, meaning that we must surpass the three modes of material nature by becoming Krsna consciousness, jaya Prabhupada!! all glories unto Srila Prabhupada!! it was Prabhupada who taught us how to chant the HareKrsna maha mantra, it was Prabhupada who taught us how live a spiritual life, how to taste prasadam, how to shave and be clean, by His personal examples we learned about a transcendental life in krsna activities, bhakti sadhana, we learn many things that we can't learn in churches or at home, PRABHUPADA is our savior, our boat and captain to travers the ocean of miseries at this time of disagreements and fights...how ungrateful can a conditioned soul be when is in the mode of ignorance?? I offer my most humble respects unto Srila Prabhupada thousands of times every day for as long as Krsna allows me Hare Krsna Om namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya 🙏⚘🌹🎵
Just see. I was initiated by hdg Hamsadutta swami in 78. I immediately joined sanyasa, renounced order. But I was imperfect. You see, I was tasked with leading some female devotees on traveling sankirtan, to raise money. We followed hippie rock concerts like Allmannn Brothers, selling stickers and T-shirts. Hamsadutta told me that bringing money for temple allowed me to have illicit relations. And I did, with each of the sankirtan women. Sometimes two at a time. Let’s just say they broke regulative principle too- they’d consume some protein, I tell you! But I was wrong! I’m still working out that karma.
Theyd consume some protein i tell you!!..Sick..sounds like youre still proud of that crap And to Devotee Women..sry i didnt like the descriptions..sounded illicit..unnessasary to write two at once etc..Great You Came To KC In 78
Hare Krishna,
Jai srila prabhupada.
Also, my heart pains to see prabhupada books 📚 are also changed... pl save original prabhupada books
"we were all Prabhupada's disciples. Now we're not"...... this says it all!
At 4:54 he most probably refers to the following words of Srila Prabhupada:
"That is your American disease. This is very serious that you always want to change everything." (Letter to Bhakta dasa, Bombay 1974)
OMG! OMG! i CAN NOT BELIEVE MY EARS. THIS SENIOR DISCIPLE OF PRABHUPADA SAYING THE SAMSARA SONG IS NOT TO PRABHUPAD!! AM I HEARING RIGHT!!
WHAT KIND OF ISKCON DEVOTEE WOULD BE DISTURBED TO HEAR PRABHUPADA'S NAME BEING SCREAMED OUT OUT OF LOVE AND OR APPRICIATION??
CAN SOMEONE JUST CONFIRM THAT THEY SEE PRABHUPADA SITTING ON THE VYASASANA IN EVERY ISKCON TEMPLE, CENTER AS MY EYES SEE? CAN SOMEONE JUST CONFIRM THAT THIS SAMSARA SONG SUNG IN ISKCON ONLY IDENTIFIES OUR PRABHUPADA?
dancing in ecstasy, singing, and playing musical instruments, the spiritual master is always gladdened by the sankirtana movement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Because he is relishing the mellows of pure devotion within his mind, sometimes his hair stands on end, he feels quivering in his body, and tears flow from his eyes like waves. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master.
WHO ELSE HAS THESE SYMPTOMS? WHO DARES TO CLAIM FALSLY TO HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS!
The spiritual master is very dear, because he is expert in assisting the gopis, who at different times make different tasteful arrangements for the perfection of Radha and Krsna's conjugal loving affairs within the groves of Vrndavana. I offer my most humble obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master.
7) The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord, because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord.
THIS POSITION, THIS WORSHIP, THIS HONOR, THIS GLORIFICATION IS STRICTLY RESERVED IN ISKCON TO THE BONAFIDE ACARYAS not Prabhupada's kids!
If it is not clear to you that Srila Prabhupada was just being so kind to call us devotees, pure devotees, maharajas, just to allure us to do more service like a master puts a carrot in front of a donkey, then i feel sorry for you. Please step back and look at yourself and tell us you or your so called guru is a pure devotee? worshipable as good as God, placeable on the alter like Prabhupada and Bhaktisiddhanta in iskcon Vrindavan are! We are all kids compared to Prabhupada and the previous acrayas!
Please dont harm yourself and take the kindness of our beloved Prabhupada and our whole parampara as your real level in Bhakti. That is Maya in full effect.
SAMSARA IN ISKCON IS FOR PRABHUPADA, GURU PUJA IN ISKCON IS FOR PRABHUPADA, BE WISE DEAR FALLEN SOULS, KNOW YOUR POSITION AND GET THE MERCY, THE LAST SNARE OF MAYA IS TO THINK YOU ARE KRSNA, AND WE CAN ADD OR TO THINK YOU ARE A GURU ON THE LEVEL OF THESE SONGS.
DO YOU REALLY THINK BHAKTIVINODA , NAROTAM, VISVANATH, VRINDAVAN DAS, LOCANA DAS, JAYADEVA, KRSNA DAS KAVIRAJ ARE CRYING FOR YOUR ASSOCIATION? THESE SONGS ARE FOR SUCH GURUS, WE SHOULD CRY FOR SUCH GURU ASSOCIATION AS THESE!! BE SERIOUS MAN!
JAYAAAAAAAAAAAAA PRABHUPADA! A MILLION TIMES JUST TO AGITATE THIS DEVOTEE'S EARS ! I WILL BE HONEST, I GET MORE HIGH WITH CHANTING PRABHUPADA'S NAMES THAN KRSNA'S NAME, ABSOLUTELY TRUE FOR ME.
First 20 seconds of the video boils my blood. No offences to whosoever want to practice Guruship in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON. Jai Srila Prabhupada.
All glory to srila prabhupada 🌹Of course yes. Prabupad, He is the founding Guru Acharya. All glory to srila prabhupada🌹
Srila Prabhupada never personally chanted the names of any of the Deities. His chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra was sufficient. Srila Prabhupada never chanted the names of SBSST during Mangal Arati. Does that make him envious of SBSST ?
It's very important that iskcon sorts this out by written document, like a constitution. Then it will be clear.
If they are bringing the disciples to Srila Prabhupada then they are Prabhupadas disciples and the rtvik acting on Prabhupada's behalf can be taken as a siksa guru. There is no such thing as diksa guru who is kind of like a rtvik! You are a bona fide diksa guru or you are not it is very simple. The bona fide guru has to be worshipped as good as lord hari and ONLY such a person can occupy the post of a guru .
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
Note: "worshiped exactly like Hari" Prabhupada is referring to the verse 7 in the gurvastaka
sakshad-dharitvena samasta-shastrair
uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih
kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
vande guroh sri-charanaravindam
"The spiritual master is to be honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and followed by all authorities."
"This is also explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. The spiritual master is described as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because the, the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa because he's most confidential servant of Kṛṣṇa. Kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya. Yasya pra...
Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. The spiritual master is worshiped as good as the Supreme Person. Sākṣād dharitvena. This is not artificial, but in all the śāstras, this is recommended. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ. Those who are learned devotees, advanced devotees, they also accept this, that spiritual master should be treated as good as Hari, the Supreme Person."
Lecture Nectar of Devotion, Oct. 23, 1972 , Vṛndāvana
note: saksad hari means directly lord hari. Prabhupadas says only such a person who is a mahabhagavata can occupy the post of a guru. Therefore if the so called gurus in iskcon are bonafide then their disciples MUST sing the guruvastakam prayers to them and no to srila prabhupada otherwise they are neglecting their guru and jumping over to the superior guru srila prabhupada:
"This is called paramparā system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparā system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparā system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, I mean to say, neglecting the next ācārya, immediate next ācārya. "
Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, Dec. 8, 1973, Los Angeles
Note:So you either ONLY sing the gurvastakam to your iskcon guru as he according to iskcon is the "immediate next ācārya." and mainly read his books and not srila prabhupadas as not doing so would mean jumping over the current acarya to the superior acarya. Or you accept that Srila prabhupada is the current acarya , and as it is HIS BOOKS we read and TO HIM who we sing gurvastakam to it is he who is our diksa guru in iskcon and the current acarya. The iskcon gurus are unauthorizedly occupying the post of a guru. Srila Prabhupada Is the diksa guru for all of iskcon and ordered rtviks to act on his behalf and perform initiation ceremonies and those disciples would be prabhupadas disciples, the rtvik acting as the representitive.
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
"Satsvarūpa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācāryas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that called ṛtvik-ācārya?
Prabhupāda: Ṛtvik, yes."
Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vṛndāvana
Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
77-07-09
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as ritvik - representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done.
The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.
The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
Approved:(signed) A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
(Prabhupada signature appears on the original)
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
"The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject."
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT
"The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
Its Very Simple..Just Defending Nieve Good New Devotees From Being Misguided..The Truth Is Simple Basic And Clear..Prabhupada Is THE Guru For ISKCON..I Hope New Devotees Look To Krsna And Prabhupada And Everything in Relation From There..
Very True. Srila Prabhupada is to be in the center..
Epic Vaisnav uprad to His holiness his grace Acharya Srila prabhupad. He's exuberating so much negative energy towards Srila Prabhupad. We won't stop you like it or not. We will continue to honor Srila Prabhupad in all songs and kirtan without your holy permission. I couldn't finish the video due to how he disrespect Srila Prabhupad. It's a great offense to even hear him talk such. I simply ignore. JAYA PRABHUPADA PRABHUPADA SRILA PRABHUPADA🪷❤️🥀🦚🌷🌻
When Prabhupada sang jai o Prabhupada that means it represents His Guru BhakthiSidhantha Saraswathi achariya , and when we chant jai o Prabhupada means Srila Prabhupada! This is commonsense thing to understand! Any devotee could understand that 😷😷😷
There was a time long ago when we did Guru puja to Ramesvara Maharaja. It was not in the temple, and we didn't sing Gurvastakam. We sang Ohe Vaishnava Thakura. which means Gurvastakam and Sri Guru Carana Padma are for Prabhupada only.
Im so greatfull that the devotees are standing up for Srila Prabhupada. All this JBC wordsmiths at it again.
"When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped EXACTLY LIKE HARI, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru. " Purport to CC Madhya 24.330
"The conclusion is that a spiritual master who is authorized and empowered by Kṛṣṇa and his own guru should be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Viśvanātha Cakravartī: sākṣād-dharitvenaśā. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As Hari is free to act as He likes, the empowered spiritual master is also free. As Hari is not subject to mundane rules and regulations, the spiritual master empowered by Him is also not subject."
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta , Madhya 10.136 PURPORT
"The spiritual master must never be carried away by an accumulation of wealth or a large number of followers. A bona fide spiritual master will never become like that. But sometimes, if a spiritual master is not properly authorized and only on his own initiative becomes a spiritual master, he may be carried away by an accumulation of wealth and large numbers of disciples. His is not a very high grade of devotional service." NOD chapter 14
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want."
Letter to: Madhudvisa , Aug. 4, 1975, Detroit
As you can see the fear of chanting gurvastakam to the iskcon gurus rather than to srila prabhupada is created due to seeing the fall of so many gurus since prabhupadas departure. All ISKCON devotees and leaders know, within their heart, that none of the so-called gurus are authorized and it is only prabhupada who is everyone's true guru. But due to disobeying Prabhupada's orders for him to remain the sole diksha Guru of iskcon they have created this hodgepodge system of an unqualified guru, who you call your guru but who you cannot sing gurvastakam to and therefore honour as good as hari.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada 🌹🌹🌹🌹
How can "Jaya Prabhupada!" ever be wrong? We say: "All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!" Not "Some glory" it is "All Glories!" How can a Prabhupada disciple be offended if someone glorifies his spiritual master? How can anyone in ISKCON be offended by the glorification of Prabhupada? Prabhupada is most dear to Radharani, isn´t he? Prabhupada is present in ISKCON and he will always be. Out of spontaneous love you should always be allowed to sing "Jaya Prabhupada!" Am I wrong?
Samsara prayers are a glorification of the spiritual master and not specifically Prabhupada. It is not therefore strictly appropriate to make it about Prabhupada by chanting "jaya Prabhupada" during or after the prayer. Guru Puja is specifically for Prabhupada so it is appropriate to chant jaya Prabhupada then. Prabhupada wanted that only one tune be used for the mangalarati prayers and the HK mantra following this. Simple. No need to add a whole list of extra names or chants.
Jay srila prabhupada
There is no harm in glorifying Srila Prabhupada, and the Guru Vandana is meant specifically for that. However closely observing the Vaishnava Ettiquette we see that it is not necessary to do s in the middle of the Samsara Dava... Prayers or after Narasimha Aarti. This doesn't mean we stop being grateful for Srila Prabhupad, it's merely ettiquette, our hearts should always be with Srila Prabhupada🙏🙏🙏
Some people get old and mature (mentally and spiritually), others become more stupid... c'est la vie...
LoL!
We chant guruastakam in vrindavan in front of the samadhi of srila Prabhupada and hence it is always for srila Prabhupada for me. I'm initiated by guru in parampara. Srila Prabhupada is my grand spiritual father and I always sing it to him. In old days at bhaktivedanta manor we used to sing Gurudev kripa bindu diya and we had other gurus pictures lined up we offered flowers to the pictures of our individual guru and this was 15 minutes before guru puja. Then we went to guru puja and it was to Prabhupada as was mangal arti it is all to Prabhupada as he is the founder acharya and centre of this movement for generations to come. 🙏
This man who says" what the hell" should discard his robe and descend from his high horse instead of making such gruesome comments about Srila Prabhupada. There is no way any " gurus" can deliver us from this world except Srila Prabhupada. Only intelligent people can understand who Srila Prabhupada is and will be in the future. No one can establish this position. Chanting pranams is for from Srila Prabhupada to all goswamis , the parampara. Kudos to the Prabhu who is seated and argued with great conviction. No " guru" can establish they are superior to Srila Prabhupada because no one can live up to the standard of Srila Prabhupada. There should be "NO" question about Srila Prabhupada's status or position as the one and only saviour of ISKCON. Period. The so called guru politics should stop. Diksha gurus are only for initiation process, our diksha comes from Srila Prabhupada. There should be no confusion.
Being in an iskcon/prsbhupada temple i would definitely not not chant ji any of the zonal or other gurus name.
4:12 Only the next five thousands years? Whose name for the following five?
The problem with isckon is everyone make himself diksha guru. Where prabhupad never said you can become diksha guru , you all are siksha guru. And shiksha guru job is to take and make everyone the disciple of srila prabhupad.
LETS REALLY LOOK INTO THIS, A PRE 1977 PRABHUPADA DISCIPLE, JAYAADVAITA SWAMI, WHO EDITED PRABHUPADA'S BOOKS, IS DISTURBED WHEN HE HEARS "JAYA PRABHUPADA" SUNG DURING AN OFFERING TO PRABHUPADA. REALLY!!
THEN HE IS WORRIED FOR THE DISCIPLES OF SO CALLED OTHER MINI SUB GURUS IN PRABHUPADA'S ISKCON, FEELING BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE MEDITATING ON SOMEONE ELSE WHILE FACING PRABHUPADA'S MURTI FORM SINGING THIS OFFERING TO PRABHUPADA, REALLY!!
WHAT DISCIPLE IN ISKCON WILL NOT BE JUMPING OUT OF JOY AND BLISS TO HEAR THE NAME OF PRABHUPADA SCREAMED ANYTIME IN LOVE, AFFECTION AND APPRICIATION TO SRILA PRABHUPADA FOR GIVING US ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WE HAVE, EVERYTHING!!
I WILL TELL YOU WAHT KIND OF DISCIPLE, A RASCAL LEAD AND INFLUENCED BY ANOTHER RASCAL! SUCH A DISCIPLE WILL ONLY THINK LIKE THIS IF HE HAS BEEN POISONED BY HIS SO CALLED SUB MINI GURU TO NOT FULLY LOVE AND APPRICIATE PRABHUPADA AS HIS SIKSHA AND DIKSHA GURU!! ENOUGH!!
EVERY DISCIPLE IN ISKCON MUST KNOW, FEEL AND EXERIENCE THE TRUTH, SRILA PRABHUPADA IS YOUR ACTUAL SIKSHA AND DIKSHA GURU. BAS! ALL ISKCON PROBLEMS SOLVED.
GBC STATES :
The GBC Statement words it in this way:
Srila Prabhupada, as the Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is the preeminent guru for all members of ISKCON.
All members of ISKCON, for all generations, are encouraged to seek shelter of Srila Prabhupada. All members of ISKCON are entitled and encouraged to have a personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada through his books, teachings, service, and his ISKCON society.”
“Its not that Srila Prabhupada is meant to be a guru only for his immediate disciples,” said Anuttama. “He is the preeminent spiritual authority for all ISKCON devotees and that will never change.”
PRABHUPADA IS THE FOUNDER-ACARYA AND PREEMINENT INSTRUCTING GURU FOR ISKCON FOR ALL TIMES.”
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PRABHUPADA STATES IN HIS LAW BOOKS:
SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM 4.12.32 .....ACCORDING TO ŚĀSTRIC INJUNCTIONS, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ŚIKṣĀ-GURU AND DĪKṣĀ-GURU, AND GENERALLY THE ŚIKṣĀ-GURU LATER ON BECOMES THE DĪKṣĀ-GURU.
PRABHUPADA IS THE FOUNDER-ACARYA AND PREEMINENT INSTRUCTING GURU FOR ISKCON FOR ALL TIMES. Means, if you can add 2 = 2 = 4 SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE DIKSHA GURU FOR ALL ISKCON DEVOTEES. THIS IS WHY PRABHUPADA IS SITTING ON THE VYASASANA IN EVERY ISKCON TEMPLE, IS SITTING ON THE ALTER WITH BHAKTISIDDHANTA THAKUR & GAURA NITAI!! THINK A LITTLE BIT, NEXT SUCH RASCAL ENVIOUS CONSCIOUSNESS WILL BE BREAKING UP ISKCON INTO, MY TEMPLE AND YOUR TEMPLE JUST LIKE THE GAUDIYE MATH AND REMOVING PRABHUPADA FROM THE VYASASANA TO PLACE THEMSELVES THERE SO THAT PRABHUPADA'S KIDNAPPED DISCIPLES WILL WORSHIP THEM INSTEAD OF PRABHUPADA. THE STEPS TOWARDS THIS END IS ALREADY TAKING PLACE.
OMG PRABHUPADA, PLEASE PLEASE SAVE US FROM SUCH A SITUATION, I KNOW BOTH YOU AND KRSNA DO NOT INTERFARE WITH THE DESIRES OF THE JIVA AND AS PURE LOVERS YOU MUST FULLFIL THE DESIRES OF ALL JIVAS EVEN IF THEY MOVE AGAINST YOU BUT PLEASE TELL US, SHOW US WHAT WE CAN DO, MUST DO TO OVERIDE & OVER POWER SUCH DESIRES IN YOUR ISKCON.
I would like nothing more than to squeeze the life out of this scrawny demon who's changing Prabhupada's original books and blaspheming His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada . Please, Krishna, please, give me this service. Haribol
yes loved the attention to devotional detail ,i am a new fan to the specific emphasis of jayadvaita swami ....yes he is correct its not a song specifically for our founder acharya alone,rather guru is one !So every disciple must address his guru ijn this prayer!
+ramarama888 Srila Prabhupada is guru. Srila Prabhupada is Acharya and Fundador. Therefore, chant Jaya Prabhupada is correct. Samsara-dava his song describes the quality of genuine spiritual master. Fake gurus in ISKCON cannot be genuine representatives of pure parampara.
ramarama888 sorry to inform you, jayadvaita is qualified in my opinion as a regular devotee
ramarama888
Jaiadvaita your guru is a Snake.
Better you chant Hare Krishna. And stop being so naive.
Jaiadvaita, Tamal Krishna, jaipataka, bhakti Charu, Bhavananda etc all conspired and poisoned Srila Prabupad to death. This is their qualification. Kill guru become guru. Jesus was crucified because of betrayal by Jew and the Jews have done it again this time to Srila Prabupad.
Jay is a rascal who is responsible for changing Prabhupads books and is a rascal with envy in his heart!!
watching ISKCON from inside since 1985 all i could see is a Crooks from Temples management to all so called Spiritual masters.All of them focused on Money!Many so called Gurus openly still money and left! Me is very sorry for many nice devotees who is still liive with a broken heart and broken hopes!Its a sad story!...
Who is extinguishing the forest fire of material existence? Who is our master birth after birth?
Right...
Jaya Prabhupada!
Plus Jayadwaita Had the Audacity to Change Srila Prabhupada Bhagavad Gita. It's like taking poison listening to Him. 🤮🤮🤢🤮🤮
Jay srila prabhupada. Jay Srila prabhupada. Jay Srila prabhupada. Jay Srila prabhupada. Jay Srila prabhupada jay Srila prabhupada
He must have been fallen down, I don't know him but this man must be punished😡😡😡😡
The prabhu in white is advocating ritvik indirectly. Ritivk is the future of this movement.
Thesis.... Glory to the Sri-Krsna-Sankirtana..... Antithesis..... but I am so unfortunate that I have no attraction for them. Synthesis...... One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly. Unless one practices this humilty (like Sri Prahlad Prabhu) one cannot progress any further, one just stays stuck in formal religion, going thru the motions, usually focusing on other's faults instead of one's own. Santi begins when one stops finding fault in the enviroment and instead sees nothing but (like Sri Prahlad) the Mercy of one's Gurudev, taking all the responsibility for one's suffering. Jaya Sri Prahlad !!!
A nasty demon....
in London devotees are sitting down playing harmonium DURING ARATI !!! Playing tunes too Indian/difficult to follow. i cannot visit anymore, makes me sad. luckily i have Shelter Elsewhere at Home..... 20 yrs ago Maha Dyuiti prabhu, kept a much better standard, more in line with Srila Prabhupada. why doesn't SOMEONE instruct these devotees on Srila Prabhupada and Gaudiya Vaishnava ettiquette..... Khol Kartals.... Stand Up.... Sing !!! Once in Ireland the devotees in Govinda's sung Lord Narasimhadev's song at the close...... one half of the devotees applauded the other half.... who in turn... BOWED !!! Like they were on stage... i was Gobsmacked, Kirtan is NOT a show, it's meant to be Seva. Satswarup Maharaj had just left the building, moments earlier. Only time i was fortunate to meet him. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !! Jaya Iskcon Sangha !! Jaya All the devotees Ki Jaya !!!!!
ISKCON TRUTH Prabhupadanuga Proof Entire Playlist all senior devotees Garga Muni,Madhu Pandit Dasa, Gauridasa Pandit Dasa, Yashoda Nandana Dasa ACBSP
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BOOK CHANGES
Professor Graham M Schweig - atrocity of editing Srila Prabhupadas books academic standard
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HG Yaśodā-nandana Dāsa ACBSP - no other vaishnava samparadaya edits the books of their Acharya
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Moola Grantha definite edition of Madhva Sampradaya Books necessary in ISKCON - Yaśodā nandana Dāsa
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Pseudo devotees in the Krishna Consciousness Society book change
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A society of BRAHMANAS does not require GBC instruction and No One can dictate to other devotees what their spiritual thoughts should be regarding their guru, even if they are misguided by immaturity. What is LAW among Brahmanas?
Jai srila prabhupada
All glories to srila prabhupada jai jagat guru Srila prabhupada. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
yes --common sense ----Srila Prabhupada introduced is for him ----his iskcon ---now when none of us here ,still in iskcon we maintain the same system in iskcon ----Now those who want to be glorified go to your disciples home ,but in Iskcon Srila Prabhupada's name is sung
11 gurus ere not gurus ---guru never fall down haha only in iskcon this happens either they are true pure gurus or just elected so called gurus