This is why companies dealing with shit that’s dangerous shouldn’t be allowed to just say “nah” when the buyer wants to safely return their product so it could be safely stored and or dismantled.
Working in industrial radiography for ten years, Cobalt sources are some times used to Xray very thick welds or castings. Only seen them used a couple of times and they are extremely dangerous to human health if not handled correctly. Unknowingly being exposed to gamma rays at this energy level is a nightmare scenario. Hard to think of a worse type of industrial accident than this one.
If it is expensive for siemens it will be incorporated in the price of the machine and passed on to the hospital. Either way the hospital pays for the disposal, but at least if siemens is legally obligated the loop of responsibility is closed. And if the hospital can't afford to pay for the disposal they shouldn't have the machine in the first place.
The problem with this is that these machines were sold internationally as medical equipment, and there are agreements for the sale of such items. Trade agreements are different for nuclear waste material. There are many cases of the same materials recieving differing trade classification. Think of Airbags. They are traded as car parts around the world. If you disassemble them, they become classified as explosives. The spend unit was no longer medical equipment at the end of it's lifecycle. Germany would probably have refused the import of nuclear waste material into it's borders, as such transports are heavily regulated and opposed by the german population (Just read up on how many people love to chain themselves to train tracks whenever nuclear waste material is transported) so I doubt it would even be in the hands of the company to take it back. No one opposed to shipping medical equipment however. This might not be the main issue (which probably, as always, is money) but I'd recon it's one of the most important secondary issues. International relations are difficult.
You know shit's about to take a REAL turn for the worse when you start getting very specific details like _'resting his leg over the cylindrical unit that housed the source.'_
@@Kpopzoom advertising your own videos? Conspiracy theories about 9/11? Apparently the government used nukes to bring the towers down? Have fun with that bingo tournament at the assisted living complex, but please ask the staff to limit your internet access
@mkbxtr44 They didn't use depleted Uranium in wing tips since the early 60's. It was replaced by tungsten ballast. The 767's only contained Tungsten ballast.
It's funny when you see your own country in the story. I remembered the news as a kids, the worker who die has his balls decaying from radiation bacause he was sitting on it when he try to crack open the machine.
"We have to dispose of these highly dangerous and radioactive pieces of machinery. Put 'em in the parking lot!" "Like, just out in the open, in the poorly supervised parking lot?" "No, what are you crazy?! Under the awning of course, jeez."
@@01DOGG01 Money is first anywhere. Safety is just, usually, one of the least expensive options in most developed nations. Corporations don't follow safety regulations out of the purity of their collective hearts, they do so because skirting regulations is a hassle and getting caught would mean legal reprisal and a tarnished business reputation.
You know the funny part of this is; if those people hadn’t though of stealing those parts, none of this would have happened. It’s not the companies fault; it’s the fault of those damn locals for being unable to keep their thieving fingers to themselves.
@@DJChiefX197 yeah right, i work in the Netherlands and safety is pretty low on the priority list here, despite fancy desk riders claiming otherwise. Government doesnt do shit, they are either bought off or easily fooled... And cheap? Proper ventilation runs in the 100-200 k euro, so instead we breath toxic fumes or wear gasmasks
@Osel Somar There are certainly place and people like that but there are also place and people that aren't like that. i wouldn't call it a shithole but it can be filthy at time. bad stuff often stick out in mind but i don't really apreciate the over-generalization.
cannot blame only Siemen, because there's soo many manufacturer that did not take responsibility of their product, especially E-waste, to the point that garbage disposer that cannot dispose E-waste under their local law have to fake documents & "export" it to other country as something like "computer donation", as long as they get rid of it and leave it there.
Everything. If you produce items that can be dangerous to the environment when broken or damaged, you ought to be responsible for proper disposal or neutralisation!
There is an incident occurred years later in which someone brought materials into a scrapyard for sale. The scrapyard owners have the alarm for radiation installed, and the materials brought in set off the alarm. The owners inspected, recalled the trefoil, and alerted the authority.
@@mattweger437 I was going to say the same thing. This is a place where people live by stealing random crap and stealing it. The people doing this are not educated, they do not know much of anything about radiation. All they knew is there were shiny metal pellets in a lead container.
@Dr. M. H. Generally the only people that steal copper are the uneducated ones who would not know to not mess with a radiation machine like I said so yea.
@Dr. M. H. All I said is that the people stealing random stuff to scrap are generally uneducated and would not know anything about radiation. I stand by that assertion no matter what country you are in.
@J CC I would be rude a bit, but I've seen too many times workers neglecting a basic protection equipment even if they know that they should use it. I just hope that knowing the consequences, would encourage people to work in a places that does not destroy their lives, or at least to buy PPE out of your pocket if you absolutely has no other option.
And a very similar thing in Mexico....except the the scrap yard shipped off irradiated metal that got turned onto rebar and used in construction all over Mexico
Agree. 5 grays or more usually leads to death, though you can die from less (in the Mayapuri incident, the victim died from 3.1 Gy) and there have been people who have (rarely) survived more (Devair Ferreira survived an estimated 7 Gy from the Goiânia incident!). It doesn't help that there has been so many units and methods for measuring radiation exposure.. "3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible." I was trying to find what level the IAEA classified this incident but came up empty. However, given the scale and comparing to similar incidents, I would assume that this would be given a level 4 since the damage was localized.
There are too many units of measure floating around this general topic: rems, millirems/hr., roentgens, and now "Grays". Makes it hard to gain and hold perspective.
Radiation is very situational. A Bq is tiny (one decay per second) and a Gray is fucking huge, 1 joule energy absorbed per kg. A sievert is a gray weighted by radiation type. They're not used for the same thing. It's a little like complaining about how many ways we have of measuring distance.
The disgusting irony here is, it was used to help heal and treat people, and in the end, wound up hurting probably many many more people than it ever helped.
I don't know. The machine was retired because the cobalt-60 source had grown too weak for commercial use. That tells me the machine had been around for quite some time, presumably treating lots of people or the hospital would have gotten rid of it sooner.
@Giuliano Skywalker well tbh I don't think dying a painful and slow death of radiation plus contaminating innocent relatives etc. Is an adequate punishment for stealing.
NBC suits actually do nothing to protect against gamma rays. They are useful to not inhale radioactive isothopes, or to not have the skin contaminated by touching them, but cobalt-60 is a very hard ferromagnetic metal. It's only real danger are gamma rays and the only thing that protects from gamma rays is mass, and a lot of it. That said, a lead apron would have been better than nothing.
Nothing he could wear would protect him from the source. With something like that, the only real thing you can do is stay as far away as possible and be exposed to it for as short a time as possible.
The urban explorer RUclips channel “the proper people“ just posted a video of them exploring an abandoned prison hospital and inside it they find a complete x-ray machine from the 2000’s just sitting there! This is exactly what I thought of when I seen that video. It’s like the state just forgot it was there
X-ray machine is safer for STORAGE because x-ray can easily be created with electricity so it doesn't need a radioactive material, it's just like an old Cathode Ray tube TV, producing lights only when turned ON. The one that is dangerous (for storage) is one which produce other kind of radiation particularly Gamma-rays.
Annd they will. Up until it ruptures and they bitch about having to clean it up. Completely disregarding the lifes lost along the way. Guaranteed, or no money back!
Many people are allergic to some metals and skin contact causes itching and swelling. It might have been easily mistaken for nickel or something similar.
@@BlindedNumen yes but allergies are different for everyone, they also could have just thought that it was dirty or had a different coating there many factors that play into situations like these
There is a amazing book by James Mahaffey called Atomic Accidents. He is an actual nuclear engineer and explains a lot of incidents in very in depth detail. There's a great part in the book about how many people are exposed to radiation as revenge plots to get back at people.
You might also like "Command and Control" by Eric Schlosser, which is partly about the Damascus, AR Titan II incident, partly about broken arrow incidents, and partially about how nuclear safety in the US and elsewhere is, uh, mamish upgefucked.
a few years later, Plainly Difficult "Beirut warehouse explosion" leaving that much ammonium nitrate sitting in a warehouse that long is an oversight... an accident waiting to happen.
When that news first broke, and before it was determined to be _accidental,_ judging purely by the available footage, I believed the world had just witnessed nuclear terrorism. (I was convinced it might’ve been a low yield ‘dirty’ nuke). The size of the explosion, particularly the blasts’ pressure wave, was incredible to behold. (I mean, relative to size, the Oklahoma City bombing paled in comparison. And that ‘splosion was fueled by a movers truck stuffed full of ammonium nitrate! So imagine how much they must’ve had sitting there, a literal ticking time bomb). It takes a special kind of government ineptitude to allow the circumstances leading to a disaster of that magnitude to happen. The people of Lebanon are well and truly right to be demanding for the figurative heads to roll. Completely. Avoidable. Tragedy.. (Three words which are rapidly becoming the anthem for 2020... it seems to be a running theme this year..)
Beirut was almost certainly done by Israel. A number of prominent members of Israeli government were smiling and saying basically "I'm not saying we did do it, but I'm not saying we didn't either, wink wink".
The nuclear meltdown videos are fascinating, if not also disturbing. That said (one minor suggestion) it would be really helpful for those watching these and future nuclear meltdown videos, to hear an approximation of how many modern day (ie, chest Xray) doses some of these people/public received or were exposed to during these unfortunate incidents - Nice work!
simple rule for dose: microsiverts = meh, quite safe single miliseverts = time to slow down tens of miliseverts = not so good if civilian, still acceptable word rad worker hundreds of milisieverts = very survivable, but not good. increased risk of cancer. High hundreds will probably cause ARP. Heads WILL roll for this. low single sieverts = you will see ARP, quite bad. Starting to approach lethal dose 4 Sievert = lethal dose. Statistically 50% chance of survival with advanced medical care. Permanent injuries and very high risk of cancer if you survive. >4 Sv = you are fighting the odds. May luck be on your side. note that this only applies of single exposure. If it's drawn out for a longer period, the body has the time to repair the damage, so the consequences are not as bad. note 2 - the dose from a medical X-ray has dramatically come down over the years, especially with modern semiconductor imagers. The difference between a ye-oldy machine using just film directly and a state of the art new one can easily be an order of magnitude.
@@AKAtheA @AKAtheA - Good info/good to know...thank you! Would still be quite helpful to also hear exposure expressed in terms of "x" number of medical radiologic procedures based on (modern) guidelines from something like (ie) the American College of Radiology's lifetime radiation exposure limits (ie) 100 mSv = 10,000 chest x-rays or up to 25 chest CTs.
@@AKAtheA that would be more helpful if you broke down the equivalent doses in all the other measurement systems. These videos have a habit of throwing around rems, rads, roentgen, curries, sieverts, and now grays and becquerels (both new to me) with no regard for the lack of general knowledge about radiation measurements. Is 15 Tbq a lot? Is it anything like 4 Gy? How bad are 200 curies? A lot of science video watchers like to lose their shit over football fields or school busses (never mind the imperial system) as a unit of measure. In my opinion, they need to visit a park once in their life. But all of these radiation numbers are thrown around as if they mean something to the general public. I.e., people who probably _have seen_ a football field (either kind), or a bus of any description, but may have been lucky enough to only be exposed to mSv elsewhere on the yootoobs. It turns an otherwise interesting and informative video into a homework assignment.
@@jimstanley_49 you... Can't just put a = between units that measure entirely different things. A Courie and Bequerel say the same thing - how many decays. One Bq=one decay (as in one atom). On the other hand, a Curie is based on a gram of Radium, so it's a stupidly high number of decays. Without knowing a bunch of other parameters, you can not calculate things like dose rate or dose, it just tells you how many decays are available. A Gray is a dose unit, but for electromagnetic radiation only, it completely ignores particles and has no corrections, it's outdated, which is why the Sievert exists. RADs and REM are a clusterfuck on their own level, again used only because somebody is reluctant to change. If I can kick myself to doing it, I might add some examples so one can get a general ok/not so ok/omg run for your life view on those units.
@@AKAtheA "you... Can't just put a = between units that measure entirely different things." Highlighting my dissatisfaction with the video. Units are thrown around without context, and even watchers like myself, with a passing knowledge of Sieverts, can only intuit that [rems, rads, roentgen, curries, grays, becquerels] = radiation number. Given the nature of the video, the radiation numbers are bad, I guess; though in this part the radiation number was "only" this big and the patient survived, so I guess it wasn't that bad. I know they _probably_ measure different physical properties and can't be readily converted or compared. Still, without a lot of homework on the viewer's part, they're meaningless buzzwords dropped in the video to sound good or in the interest of "completeness" and do not actually convey useful information to the audience. A simple, unobtrusive danger scale like [- eat one banana - chest x-ray - yearly background dose - probably cancer - definitely cancer - slow, painful recovery - slow, painful death - quick, painful death - quick, painless death ] would be great to give some intuition about what a given radiation number means. Or a note that 15TBq -could -_-administer-_- 500k chest x-rays (or whatever, I guess it's a measure of how much radiation is available from the source before it "wears out"?- It seems irrelevant to the video, which is already understood to involve dangerously radioactive material.) After some Wikipedia skimming, I see it's a measure of how potent an emitter something is. Perhaps a scale like [- one banana - smoke detector - dental X-ray emitter - radioactive therapy emitter - naval power plant - terrestrial power plant - nuclear weapon -] could be devised.
There's this place in my town where trains used to come through, and they would load them up with railroad ties coated in creosote for transport and delivery. They were treated on-site. And, apparently, the creosote had oozed into the ground and the whole area was fenced off. The train station and factory there were also torn down. When I asked my dad about it as a kid he told me the workers would get really sick after being in the area for awhile, which is why the buildings only recently got finished being demolished. Apparently it can cause asthma to develop, cancer, organ failure, and many other health issues. Not quite radiation, but still quite fascinating.
This one was legit like a horror movie. You, the viewer knows of the threat while the victims are just going about their day not realizing the warning signs. When the worker was handling the material and described having a itchy feeling in his hands.. That was a toe pincher.
I worked in the Thai education system for 8 years. It is very easy to believe. The workers in the scrapyard at most have a rudimentary education. They probably left school after elementary school.
@David Daivdson That make a lots of sense, if someone see a lot of machinery but doesn't know about radiation, 'that's the best possible interpretation.
@@bogdangabrielonete3467 dont forget "let me suck on my glowing green paintbrushes all day long every single day. i wonder why my hair and teeth are falling out, why are my nails so brittle, discolored and not growing? why am i suddenly infertile and fainting all the time? why are my bones breaking from breathing? hmm.. let me suck on that glowing green paint some more"
Seimens should have taken the unit whether or not they still used Cobalt-60. The responsibility for proper disposal should lie on both the end-user and the original manufacturer thereby limiting the number of hands the machines have to go through. The take away from these incidents: don’t trust your disused radiotherapy units to third-party “licensed” storage companies.
They might have sold that division off. So it would be the new owners responsibility. I knew a company that made these types of machines. They sold off the building that housed they hot room where they reloaded the head unit with cobalt and the rights to reload the heads. Eventually one of the waster water treatments plants got a hit on cobalt radiation 60. They traced it back to this building and then capped off the waste water lines. The basement of the building became flooded with radioactive water. I don't remember what the end result was. They were talking about a bladder to hold the water and then let it evaporate naturally threw filters.
dan8t6 What the fuck are you even talking about, my dude? “Gingerbread house”? Really? That’s the analogy you come up with? It’s really not asking too much to demand companies take responsibility for the safe disposal of their obsolete products. If they aren’t prepared to provide for the disposal or storage of fissile materials, perhaps they shouldn’t be manufacturing such materials in the first place. You, though intrigue me. Your level of condescension and obtuse aggression tell me that you either possess a woefully fragile ego, a profound lack of interpersonal skills, suffer from malignant narcissism, or perhaps function under the burden of some combination thereof. Whatever the case may be it’s rather extraordinary in its ability to make you behave like an ass to strangers on the internet.
I thought for sure that this was a video about the same incident as Today I Found Out discussed two days ago. NOPE! That was a _different_ improperly-disposed Cobalt-60 radiotherapy unit, this time in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, but in that case the pellets got incorporated into steel that was shipped off to be used in construction.
A similar incident occurred in Mexico in 1984.The unit was scrapped, the cobalt ended at a foundry which mixed the material into castings and rebar. It was discovered when a truck made a wrong turn into Los Alamos Lab. and set off a radiation detector. I contaminated rebar and cast restaurant table bases. Several people died and others received large doses of radiation.
when a company dosnt have use for these objects they should be FORCED to notify the regulatory body NOT just the manufacturer and this would ensure this dosnt happen again..quite simple really but sadly nm logic in the world theyd rather clean up the mess after it seems
Honestly we should all be grateful that careless people keep getting their hands on these. Imagine the damage someone who knows what they are doing with it could do
probably the same people that would know what they are dealing with, will safely do something in order to prevent more people from getting radiation poisoned
I've seen the kind of living conditions in the areas surrounding scrapyards but it still hits hard when you hear that 1872 lived within 100 meters of that scrapyard.
If you've been to Thailand for a while,you wouldn't be so shocked. You can have a scrapyard next to a apartment complex. The name of the road on the map diagram suggests there's a temple nearby too.
I love these videos... But is there any chance you could explain the various measurements for us dummies that don't know what all the technical jargon means? I mean like when you say 10 Milli what's its, maybe give a quick estimate of how deadly that is, like "... Which is fairly safe" or "... Enough to make you dead withing minutes", etc.
5 mREM = 50 uSieverts (uSv) = Exposure due to gamma rays on a cross-country flight 10 mREM = 100 uSv = Exposure from chest X-ray 300 mREM = 3 mSievers (mSv) = Total background exposure of a person per year due to natural sources, sunlight, etc. 3 REM = 3000 mREM = 30 mSv = Exposure from whole-body CAT scan 5 REM = 5000 mREM = 50 mSv = US Federal annual exposure limit for radiation workers 25 REM = 250 mSv = Threshhold to see visible changes in white blood cells under a microscope. No symptoms. 100-200 REM = 1-2 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 6 hours, headache. 5 % mortality after 30 days. 200-600 REM = 2-6 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 2 hours, headache, diarrhea, hemorrhage, infections, hair loss. Up to 50% mortality after 30 days. 600-800 REM = 6-8 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 1 hour, headache and fever, diarrhea, disorientation, hemorrhage, infections, hair loss, low blood pressure, septic shock. Up to 80% mortality after 20 days, survivors have lifelong disabilities. >800 REM = >8 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 10 minutes, incapacitating headache, severe diarrhea within 1 hour, high fever, septic shock, loss of consciousness. Nearly 100% mortality within 14 days. >3000 REM = >30 Sv = Immediate incapacitation, seziures, tremors, loss of consciousness. No survivors past 48 hours.
@@Yggdrasil42 Gray is a unit that measures radiation level in terms of the ionization energy that is absorbed. Sievert is a modification of Gray that accounts for the fact that different types of radiation do different types of damage to body tissue, even if the Gray level is the same. 1 Gray of gamma radiation is less damaging to the body than 1 Gray of neutron radiation, for example. In terms of exposure and radiation sickness symptoms, you can in most cases think of Grays and Sieverts as equivalent because most incidents of radiation exposure involve only gamma radiation, where the Gray and the Sievert are the same (for gamma radiation, 1 Gray = 1 Sievert). Only if the specific type of radiation exposure is not gamma rays will a difference between Grays and Sieverts come in. For the incident in this video, the exposure was to Cobalt-60, which emits harmful gamma rays. The non-SI system of units also has an equivalent. REM is equivalent to Sieverts in that it takes different types of radiation into account when computing damage to the body. The non-SI system unit that corresponds to Grays is the RAD. For gamma radiation, 1 RAD = 1 REM.
Damn, the algorithm is smart sometimes. On the suggested videos to this one is a clip from the show House, titled "A Fathers Radioactive Gift Destroys His Son's Insides" in which the plot of that episode is exactly what happened in this one basically. Father recovers some scrap metal from his junkyard, makes his son a pendant, turns out to be highly radioactive.
Working on cross country pipelines ,we’ve found luckily spent isotope X-ray pigs that have been lost along miles of pipe , this was on cut outs that would have ended up scrapped or stored
I find it crazy how dangerous this medical equipment is. Few times In my line of work I visited nuclear powerplant and worked directly next to reactor containment structure. In area considered radioactive hazard. At the end of a day my dosimeter never measured more than 0.002 mSv. And then you find out that some scrap metal pellet from hospital gives you 10 Sv / h. That's crazy man.
Co60 is a very 'hard' (1.3Mev) radiation and capable of penetrating many cm's of steel. I used to work with this stuff to radiograph thick bronze castings. I was only using 185G Bq substantially less. To operate required great attention to shielding...everything! Thanks
Everytime I watch one of these it makes me think about how people a few hundred years ago would handle this. It'd be something strange & seemingly invisible that's killing people, and they'd have no idea its radiation.
Would have been no different than bacteria and viruses, which were also invisible & killing people. There was no way to distinguish any of these things from the others. They were all just disease.
Holy, this is more in-depth than the book and the newspaper that I've read when I was in school. Thank you so much for this vid. Yes, I'm Thai and I've known this incident name "Cobalt-60 incident", but it didn't reveal the connections and the effects of this too. Also, there is some strange issue on the fines, as the violation fines in the law have been drafted in ages ago, which doesn't make any sense in terms of the actual currency at the time.
Just stumbled on the channel... So many great historical situations.Any thing is positive thanks a million...Gives me so many ideas to go forward with!!!Amen
I knew what a radiation symbol meant when I was 8 year old boy. I just showed my girlfriend the updated sign and I asked her what it meant. She said if you steal the bones you have to run away.
Note to self: If I ever find myself in a third world country, and ever happen to go to a scrapyard for any reason, I'm sure as hell bringing a geiger counter with me.
I used to work at a company that supplied and collected radioactive sources and therapy's in the medical field. I'd deliver the sources and pick up the old ones, document them and place them in safe storage. Mostly Co-57, Ga/Ge-68 reactors, Cs-137 that kind of thing. Every source has a specific and unique serial number and had to be documented every step of the way from production to disposal. One day we get a call from a very large company that produced, supplied and dismantled medical equipment (CAT scanners, x-ray machines basically every possible machine that uses a radioactive source). A machine came back to them with the source still inside. The whole company went on lockdown (2K people at that site) as they waited for me to come and identify it, determine how radioactive it was (in Bq), label it, place it in a secure container and take it with me to the company for safe storage. The whole damn board and everyone else of importance was out and looking at me doing my thing. I've never seen such greatful bigwigs before or since. I'm glad they take radioactive sources so seriously in western europe.
"starting to feel like groundhog day" You said it mate. And it is going to keep happening again and again until manufacturers are made responsible for end of life of these products.
I wanna start off by saying I love your videos. They are supremely interesting and you present the subject well. ONE bit of criticism. As a complete and utter moron it would benefit me if you explained the "scales" a bit when talking about measurements of this stuff. For instance you talk about how the one couple were exposed to 6Gy. But as a dumbass as my self is that a lot? Because of the topic I'm assuming it is but this, On top of when you talk about the levels when the investigators got near the sight, without knowing the scale or "whats normal, whats high and what's OMG you're fucked" it kind of doesn't hold as much weight as it could. Even if you just put like maybe a little note in the bottom that someone could pause and read or something I think it would help new viewers who havent' watched ALL your videos yet.
The more of these videos I watch the more I realize there are an absurdly numerous ways to measure radiation doses. MsV, Gy, Geiger counters etc. Makes it hard to understand how much radiation is being discussed.
¡Qué maravilla de canal me he encontrado! Estoy muy impresionada con todos los videos que has realizado que comenzaré a verlos ahora. Quedó suscrita a tu trabajo, que es maravilloso. Saludos desde México :3
What I want to know is, why are companies producing radioactive containing devices like this not required up front to provide for end of life disposal? I really don't care that they "licensed" that responsibility off. This has happened way too often when these machines get orphaned in places where the general population doesn't even have the education to know the danger! It's reckless and neglectful.
Egad Beirut Lebanon is going to have some stories. What an explosion. I would like the breakdown on Plainly Difficult - I wonder if he is eyeing this one.
I actually saw a truck hauling a lead containment vessel recently. I instantly recognized it because of this channel. I got closer, and sure enough, it said “United Nuclear”! It was empty, but it had carried fuel rods.
I wondered if it had a radiation warning somewhere on it, and why it was ignored. I guess growing up in America and Europe I assumed everyone knew what that meant.
Great vid. Stories like this make me so angry, and so sad. Because I've seen your other videos and interest on other nuclear/rad accidents, could you look into the Nyonoksa radiation accident? That accident has never been clear to me, but I don't know how much info is available on it.
I think the manufacturers should be responsible with decommissioning the units. If companies like Siemens will not take back a product because they "don't deal with a particular isotope" anymore, who do they think will take care of it?
How does it felt like to be a Thai who experience the lethal radiation ? "3.6 รอนต์เกน? ไม่ดี ไม่เลวร้ายเท่าไร" Your vid popped up in my reccommend at 4 AM and i love it.
there is speculation that with gamma ray, protect or not, it doesn't matter since the gamma ray have high penetration against materials. and they have NONE of the proper equipment to protect against gamma ray even the search method is really bad (bamboo stick with a fucking X-ray film on the tip) since getting close is not an option
I went to school in Samut Prakarn for eight years and never heard of the incident or been taught in school about this at all... shame on my education system, can’t even measure up to a youtube video.
i doubt the education department wants it to be known... heck, most of the dangerous stuff they don't even cover in schools... will you know a hazard symbol like the radioactive symbol when you see one?
To be fair it would have been utterly meaningless to talk about the dangers of radiation to people who don't even know what radiation is. That kind of stuff doesn't really get taught in general public education.
Phoenix Fire Isn’t the point of an education is to provide knowledge??? And why would you assume that “people” in Thailand would not know about radiation anyways.
@@Voltaire8559 My point has nothing to do about Thailand, it's just a generality. Why work people up about something they don't understand? That just teaches them to fear radiation.
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@@cassie6985 I am with you....
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@@cassie6985 Weird, 3:44am here as I see this.
didn't something similar happen in brazil?
This is why companies dealing with shit that’s dangerous shouldn’t be allowed to just say “nah” when the buyer wants to safely return their product so it could be safely stored and or dismantled.
Agreed, although I suspect in cases like this the costs would be prohibitive.
Working in industrial radiography for ten years, Cobalt sources are some times used to Xray very thick welds or castings. Only seen them used a couple of times and they are extremely dangerous to human health if not handled correctly. Unknowingly being exposed to gamma rays at this energy level is a nightmare scenario. Hard to think of a worse type of industrial accident than this one.
If it is expensive for siemens it will be incorporated in the price of the machine and passed on to the hospital. Either way the hospital pays for the disposal, but at least if siemens is legally obligated the loop of responsibility is closed. And if the hospital can't afford to pay for the disposal they shouldn't have the machine in the first place.
for consumer markets that is rule in every nation of the european union independently
The problem with this is that these machines were sold internationally as medical equipment, and there are agreements for the sale of such items. Trade agreements are different for nuclear waste material. There are many cases of the same materials recieving differing trade classification. Think of Airbags. They are traded as car parts around the world. If you disassemble them, they become classified as explosives.
The spend unit was no longer medical equipment at the end of it's lifecycle. Germany would probably have refused the import of nuclear waste material into it's borders, as such transports are heavily regulated and opposed by the german population (Just read up on how many people love to chain themselves to train tracks whenever nuclear waste material is transported) so I doubt it would even be in the hands of the company to take it back. No one opposed to shipping medical equipment however.
This might not be the main issue (which probably, as always, is money) but I'd recon it's one of the most important secondary issues. International relations are difficult.
You know shit's about to take a REAL turn for the worse when you start getting very specific details like _'resting his leg over the cylindrical unit that housed the source.'_
@@Kpopzoom advertising your own videos? Conspiracy theories about 9/11? Apparently the government used nukes to bring the towers down?
Have fun with that bingo tournament at the assisted living complex, but please ask the staff to limit your internet access
@@KingHalbatorix oooohhh!! sick burn
@mkbxtr44 How many tritium emergency signs and alpha ionizing smoke detectors were pulverized with the falling of the towers?
@@Kpopzoom your crazy it was obviously nasa who did that because the building's where to tall and people could see the earth is flat
@mkbxtr44 They didn't use depleted Uranium in wing tips since the early 60's. It was replaced by tungsten ballast. The 767's only contained Tungsten ballast.
It's funny when you see your own country in the story.
I remembered the news as a kids, the worker who die has his balls decaying from radiation bacause he was sitting on it when he try to crack open the machine.
Sounds like a movie but real. /Senna is still the best driver of all time.
Christ i definitely cringed after reading that.
My balls retracted in fear reading that...
@@alvintollah So now you're Mis Alvin R?
@@alvintollah You can definately hear your balls shrink at that point
"We have to dispose of these highly dangerous and radioactive pieces of machinery. Put 'em in the parking lot!"
"Like, just out in the open, in the poorly supervised parking lot?"
"No, what are you crazy?! Under the awning of course, jeez."
Just put it on the tree lawn. The scrappers will be pick it up on garbage day.
Safety is always last in Thailand, as is logic. Money is always first.
@@01DOGG01 Money is first anywhere. Safety is just, usually, one of the least expensive options in most developed nations. Corporations don't follow safety regulations out of the purity of their collective hearts, they do so because skirting regulations is a hassle and getting caught would mean legal reprisal and a tarnished business reputation.
You know the funny part of this is; if those people hadn’t though of stealing those parts, none of this would have happened.
It’s not the companies fault; it’s the fault of those damn locals for being unable to keep their thieving fingers to themselves.
@@DJChiefX197 yeah right, i work in the Netherlands and safety is pretty low on the priority list here, despite fancy desk riders claiming otherwise. Government doesnt do shit, they are either bought off or easily fooled... And cheap? Proper ventilation runs in the 100-200 k euro, so instead we breath toxic fumes or wear gasmasks
As a Thai person I'd say you didn't butcher the names too bad. Well done!
@Osel Somar that’s very unnecessary, sketchy things happen in every country.
@Osel Somar ever heard of times beach? shitty stuff happens everywhere.
@Osel Somar there are cities and countries like that everywhere, and most of thailand isn't like that.
@Osel Somar so you haven't seen much.
@Osel Somar There are certainly place and people like that but there are also place and people that aren't like that. i wouldn't call it a shithole but it can be filthy at time. bad stuff often stick out in mind but i don't really apreciate the over-generalization.
Siemens definitely has ultimate responsibility. If they can't be willing to accept and dispose of what they sell, they shouldn't be selling it.
cannot blame only Siemen, because there's soo many manufacturer that did not take responsibility of their product, especially E-waste, to the point that garbage disposer that cannot dispose E-waste under their local law have to fake documents & "export" it to other country as something like "computer donation", as long as they get rid of it and leave it there.
Imagine what a paradise if manufacturers were made responsible for end of life of products. It would radically change the way things are designed.
Whats it got to do with them?
Everything. If you produce items that can be dangerous to the environment when broken or damaged, you ought to be responsible for proper disposal or neutralisation!
The person who bought the product should be reaponsible as its their property now.
Moral of the story: use a Geiger counter before dealing with unknown scrap metal
if they don't know the international symbol for radiation. i doubt having a Geiger counter would do you any good.
i do scrap occasionally and I started using it after i notices some soviet instrumentation had radium salts in the number designs
There is an incident occurred years later in which someone brought materials into a scrapyard for sale. The scrapyard owners have the alarm for radiation installed, and the materials brought in set off the alarm. The owners inspected, recalled the trefoil, and alerted the authority.
@Hellmark Channel It DID indeed spark the awareness of radioactive materials among Thai people.
@yeetkid A salt is always a compound of a metal and a halogen (such as table salt (NaCL), sodium chloride). Radium salts have radium as the metal.
It feels like this videos should be a part of the training material for all the scrap metal processing workers.
Do you really think there's training in these countries 😆
@@mattweger437 I was going to say the same thing.
This is a place where people live by stealing random crap and stealing it.
The people doing this are not educated, they do not know much of anything about radiation.
All they knew is there were shiny metal pellets in a lead container.
@Dr. M. H. Generally the only people that steal copper are the uneducated ones who would not know to not mess with a radiation machine like I said so yea.
@Dr. M. H. All I said is that the people stealing random stuff to scrap are generally uneducated and would not know anything about radiation. I stand by that assertion no matter what country you are in.
@J CC I would be rude a bit, but I've seen too many times workers neglecting a basic protection equipment even if they know that they should use it. I just hope that knowing the consequences, would encourage people to work in a places that does not destroy their lives, or at least to buy PPE out of your pocket if you absolutely has no other option.
This sounds so much like the Brazil incident.
And a very similar thing in Mexico....except the the scrap yard shipped off irradiated metal that got turned onto rebar and used in construction all over Mexico
They all start to sound the same.....
Brazil is just wack in general
@@petercarioscia9189 imagine the marketing: buy our product and get radiation for free!
dieselscience it’s like we have trouble learning from our mistakes or something :/
It helps when dosages are given some comparison to a standard, like how many Grays are normal and how many hazardous or lethal.
Agree. 5 grays or more usually leads to death, though you can die from less (in the Mayapuri incident, the victim died from 3.1 Gy) and there have been people who have (rarely) survived more (Devair Ferreira survived an estimated 7 Gy from the Goiânia incident!). It doesn't help that there has been so many units and methods for measuring radiation exposure.. "3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible."
I was trying to find what level the IAEA classified this incident but came up empty. However, given the scale and comparing to similar incidents, I would assume that this would be given a level 4 since the damage was localized.
There are too many units of measure floating around this general topic: rems, millirems/hr., roentgens, and now "Grays". Makes it hard to gain and hold perspective.
@@dsnodgrass4843 yeah but when every country raced to develop their own nuclear program, lots of standards develop
@@dsnodgrass4843 sad part,if we had 4 scales and try to estandarize them,we will finally end with 5 scales.
Radiation is very situational. A Bq is tiny (one decay per second) and a Gray is fucking huge, 1 joule energy absorbed per kg. A sievert is a gray weighted by radiation type. They're not used for the same thing. It's a little like complaining about how many ways we have of measuring distance.
The disgusting irony here is, it was used to help heal and treat people, and in the end, wound up hurting probably many many more people than it ever helped.
But not because of its fault. Just the mishandling by ignorant fools
I don't know. The machine was retired because the cobalt-60 source had grown too weak for commercial use. That tells me the machine had been around for quite some time, presumably treating lots of people or the hospital would have gotten rid of it sooner.
more like the hospital's fault for improperly handling the unit, fuck the doctors.
And the cosmic balance is restored
@Giuliano Skywalker well tbh I don't think dying a painful and slow death of radiation plus contaminating innocent relatives etc. Is an adequate punishment for stealing.
i like how the guy with the bamboo pole and magnet has no personal protection equipment on, just a polo shirt.
NBC suits actually do nothing to protect against gamma rays. They are useful to not inhale radioactive isothopes, or to not have the skin contaminated by touching them, but cobalt-60 is a very hard ferromagnetic metal. It's only real danger are gamma rays and the only thing that protects from gamma rays is mass, and a lot of it.
That said, a lead apron would have been better than nothing.
This is what workers safety rights look like in 3rd world countries
Well of course. don't you know a polo shirt is standard radiation protection equipment?
Duh his balls are made of lead.
Nothing he could wear would protect him from the source. With something like that, the only real thing you can do is stay as far away as possible and be exposed to it for as short a time as possible.
The urban explorer RUclips channel “the proper people“ just posted a video of them exploring an abandoned prison hospital and inside it they find a complete x-ray machine from the 2000’s just sitting there! This is exactly what I thought of when I seen that video. It’s like the state just forgot it was there
An X-ray machine is pretty much harmless unless powered on. It doesn't contain a radioactive source like a teletherapy machine.
X-ray machine is safer for STORAGE because x-ray can easily be created with electricity so it doesn't need a radioactive material, it's just like an old Cathode Ray tube TV, producing lights only when turned ON. The one that is dangerous (for storage) is one which produce other kind of radiation particularly Gamma-rays.
Annd they will. Up until it ruptures and they bitch about having to clean it up. Completely disregarding the lifes lost along the way. Guaranteed, or no money back!
"Wow! Touching this metal part feels itchy. Eh, it's probably nothing"
Many people are allergic to some metals and skin contact causes itching and swelling.
It might have been easily mistaken for nickel or something similar.
I mean they weren't exactly educated. None of them would have even known what radiation is.
@@toastedphantom3007 don't know, I have several metal allergies but still it takes days until the itching starts if it's only skin contact.
@@BlindedNumen yes but allergies are different for everyone, they also could have just thought that it was dirty or had a different coating there many factors that play into situations like these
Hmm, my whole body feels like I just touched by tongue to a battery.
probably nothing.
All I had to hear was "Gammatron-3" to know that this was gonna be a big yikes by the end.
Wasn't gammatron one of the Transformers? A Decepticon I believe
It just has a ring to it... kind of like "The Widow Maker"
There is a amazing book by James Mahaffey called Atomic Accidents. He is an actual nuclear engineer and explains a lot of incidents in very in depth detail.
There's a great part in the book about how many people are exposed to radiation as revenge plots to get back at people.
Alexander Litvinenko!
One of my favorites. I've re-read it several times and it never gets old!
The newer Radium Girls is great. For we who fall asleep
You might also like "Command and Control" by Eric Schlosser, which is partly about the Damascus, AR Titan II incident, partly about broken arrow incidents, and partially about how nuclear safety in the US and elsewhere is, uh, mamish upgefucked.
So basically they couldnt get rid of their Seimen
You should talk to my ex!
@Dr. M. H. they stop at the true German borders, also known as the EU borders.
@@LunaNicoleTheFox Shots fired!
They should have just sold it
Hard to believe that Bangkok couldn't handle their Seimen, but it happens to all of us sometimes.
a few years later, Plainly Difficult "Beirut warehouse explosion"
leaving that much ammonium nitrate sitting in a warehouse that long is an oversight... an accident waiting to happen.
Hey man I don’t have anywhere to put all of this explosive chemical is it cool if I leave it Here
When that news first broke, and before it was determined to be _accidental,_ judging purely by the available footage, I believed the world had just witnessed nuclear terrorism. (I was convinced it might’ve been a low yield ‘dirty’ nuke). The size of the explosion, particularly the blasts’ pressure wave, was incredible to behold. (I mean, relative to size, the Oklahoma City bombing paled in comparison. And that ‘splosion was fueled by a movers truck stuffed full of ammonium nitrate! So imagine how much they must’ve had sitting there, a literal ticking time bomb). It takes a special kind of government ineptitude to allow the circumstances leading to a disaster of that magnitude to happen. The people of Lebanon are well and truly right to be demanding for the figurative heads to roll.
Completely. Avoidable. Tragedy.. (Three words which are rapidly becoming the anthem for 2020... it seems to be a running theme this year..)
Michael Anthony when I first saw it, I figured it was a dust explosion because I have watched way too many investigation videos about dust explosions.
@@silaskuemmerle2505 try watching 2013 Texas fertilizer plant Explosion
same chemical
Beirut was almost certainly done by Israel. A number of prominent members of Israeli government were smiling and saying basically "I'm not saying we did do it, but I'm not saying we didn't either, wink wink".
The nuclear meltdown videos are fascinating, if not also disturbing. That said (one minor suggestion) it would be really helpful for those watching these and future nuclear meltdown videos, to hear an approximation of how many modern day (ie, chest Xray) doses some of these people/public received or were exposed to during these unfortunate incidents - Nice work!
simple rule for dose:
microsiverts = meh, quite safe
single miliseverts = time to slow down
tens of miliseverts = not so good if civilian, still acceptable word rad worker
hundreds of milisieverts = very survivable, but not good. increased risk of cancer. High hundreds will probably cause ARP. Heads WILL roll for this.
low single sieverts = you will see ARP, quite bad. Starting to approach lethal dose
4 Sievert = lethal dose. Statistically 50% chance of survival with advanced medical care. Permanent injuries and very high risk of cancer if you survive.
>4 Sv = you are fighting the odds. May luck be on your side.
note that this only applies of single exposure. If it's drawn out for a longer period, the body has the time to repair the damage, so the consequences are not as bad.
note 2 - the dose from a medical X-ray has dramatically come down over the years, especially with modern semiconductor imagers. The difference between a ye-oldy machine using just film directly and a state of the art new one can easily be an order of magnitude.
@@AKAtheA @AKAtheA - Good info/good to know...thank you! Would still be quite helpful to also hear exposure expressed in terms of "x" number of medical radiologic procedures based on (modern) guidelines from something like (ie) the American College of Radiology's lifetime radiation exposure limits (ie) 100 mSv = 10,000 chest x-rays or up to 25 chest CTs.
@@AKAtheA that would be more helpful if you broke down the equivalent doses in all the other measurement systems. These videos have a habit of throwing around rems, rads, roentgen, curries, sieverts, and now grays and becquerels (both new to me) with no regard for the lack of general knowledge about radiation measurements. Is 15 Tbq a lot? Is it anything like 4 Gy? How bad are 200 curies?
A lot of science video watchers like to lose their shit over football fields or school busses (never mind the imperial system) as a unit of measure. In my opinion, they need to visit a park once in their life. But all of these radiation numbers are thrown around as if they mean something to the general public. I.e., people who probably _have seen_ a football field (either kind), or a bus of any description, but may have been lucky enough to only be exposed to mSv elsewhere on the yootoobs. It turns an otherwise interesting and informative video into a homework assignment.
@@jimstanley_49 you... Can't just put a = between units that measure entirely different things.
A Courie and Bequerel say the same thing - how many decays. One Bq=one decay (as in one atom). On the other hand, a Curie is based on a gram of Radium, so it's a stupidly high number of decays. Without knowing a bunch of other parameters, you can not calculate things like dose rate or dose, it just tells you how many decays are available.
A Gray is a dose unit, but for electromagnetic radiation only, it completely ignores particles and has no corrections, it's outdated, which is why the Sievert exists. RADs and REM are a clusterfuck on their own level, again used only because somebody is reluctant to change.
If I can kick myself to doing it, I might add some examples so one can get a general ok/not so ok/omg run for your life view on those units.
@@AKAtheA "you... Can't just put a = between units that measure entirely different things." Highlighting my dissatisfaction with the video. Units are thrown around without context, and even watchers like myself, with a passing knowledge of Sieverts, can only intuit that [rems, rads, roentgen, curries, grays, becquerels] = radiation number. Given the nature of the video, the radiation numbers are bad, I guess; though in this part the radiation number was "only" this big and the patient survived, so I guess it wasn't that bad. I know they _probably_ measure different physical properties and can't be readily converted or compared. Still, without a lot of homework on the viewer's part, they're meaningless buzzwords dropped in the video to sound good or in the interest of "completeness" and do not actually convey useful information to the audience.
A simple, unobtrusive danger scale like [- eat one banana - chest x-ray - yearly background dose - probably cancer - definitely cancer - slow, painful recovery - slow, painful death - quick, painful death - quick, painless death ] would be great to give some intuition about what a given radiation number means. Or a note that 15TBq -could -_-administer-_- 500k chest x-rays (or whatever, I guess it's a measure of how much radiation is available from the source before it "wears out"?- It seems irrelevant to the video, which is already understood to involve dangerously radioactive material.) After some Wikipedia skimming, I see it's a measure of how potent an emitter something is. Perhaps a scale like [- one banana - smoke detector - dental X-ray emitter - radioactive therapy emitter - naval power plant - terrestrial power plant - nuclear weapon -] could be devised.
I think we’re going to learn much more about the various toxins released by e-waste in the coming years! Thanks for the great vid
i thought about this very thing yesterday, you're quite right
Definitely
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl and related compounds are already a major issue with e-waste and burning of plastics.
We already know much about it actually, And there are many organizations/people trying to deal with it.
Seconding the we know what it does and just need to do things about camp, raise my taxes!
There's this place in my town where trains used to come through, and they would load them up with railroad ties coated in creosote for transport and delivery. They were treated on-site. And, apparently, the creosote had oozed into the ground and the whole area was fenced off. The train station and factory there were also torn down. When I asked my dad about it as a kid he told me the workers would get really sick after being in the area for awhile, which is why the buildings only recently got finished being demolished. Apparently it can cause asthma to develop, cancer, organ failure, and many other health issues.
Not quite radiation, but still quite fascinating.
This one was legit like a horror movie. You, the viewer knows of the threat while the victims are just going about their day not realizing the warning signs. When the worker was handling the material and described having a itchy feeling in his hands.. That was a toe pincher.
How is it possible that someone living in an industrialized nation in 2000 could be unaware of what the universal radiation symbol means?
I worked in the Thai education system for 8 years. It is very easy to believe. The workers in the scrapyard at most have a rudimentary education. They probably left school after elementary school.
I never know about this in school, I later know it from games and media. If I don't know English, I'll still be dumb as fuck.
@@worawatli8952 Hey, at least you learned it. Sometimes it is better to learn outside of school than inside.
@David Daivdson That make a lots of sense, if someone see a lot of machinery but doesn't know about radiation, 'that's the best possible interpretation.
@David Daivdson: Or just the skull and crossbones used on chemical poisons.
At least no one cracked open the source capsule and let their kids play with the luminous powder inside...
"Oh look, fairy dust. Let me just put that on my sandwich... why are my teeth falling?"
@@bogdangabrielonete3467 dont forget "let me suck on my glowing green paintbrushes all day long every single day. i wonder why my hair and teeth are falling out, why are my nails so brittle, discolored and not growing? why am i suddenly infertile and fainting all the time? why are my bones breaking from breathing? hmm.. let me suck on that glowing green paint some more"
@@audrey2658 Radium Girls, right?
@@audrey2658 They knew it was the glowing paint, almost immediately and went to court for it. Most were dead or horribly disfigured by then but still.
That was Mexico.
10 Sv/h - holy f***, that Chernobyl-like dosage there
Yeah, but only on one spot while in Chernobyl accident it was all over the area.
@@AliShuktu chernobyl is a reactor meltdown, while this is an isolated source in a broken container.
@@reedman0780, thats what i said.
Oh fuck.
10 Sv/H not great, not terrible
Seimens should have taken the unit whether or not they still used Cobalt-60. The responsibility for proper disposal should lie on both the end-user and the original manufacturer thereby limiting the number of hands the machines have to go through. The take away from these incidents: don’t trust your disused radiotherapy units to third-party “licensed” storage companies.
They might have sold that division off. So it would be the new owners responsibility. I knew a company that made these types of machines. They sold off the building that housed they hot room where they reloaded the head unit with cobalt and the rights to reload the heads. Eventually one of the waster water treatments plants got a hit on cobalt radiation 60. They traced it back to this building and then capped off the waste water lines. The basement of the building became flooded with radioactive water. I don't remember what the end result was. They were talking about a bladder to hold the water and then let it evaporate naturally threw filters.
@@brainfreeze44131 Please tell where this place is.
@@brainfreeze44131 Yikes. That site is a timebomb.... if the water in the basement starts leaking out into the water table.
Evelyn, try to get a real education. The world is not a gingerbread house.
dan8t6 What the fuck are you even talking about, my dude? “Gingerbread house”? Really? That’s the analogy you come up with? It’s really not asking too much to demand companies take responsibility for the safe disposal of their obsolete products. If they aren’t prepared to provide for the disposal or storage of fissile materials, perhaps they shouldn’t be manufacturing such materials in the first place. You, though intrigue me. Your level of condescension and obtuse aggression tell me that you either possess a woefully fragile ego, a profound lack of interpersonal skills, suffer from malignant narcissism, or perhaps function under the burden of some combination thereof. Whatever the case may be it’s rather extraordinary in its ability to make you behave like an ass to strangers on the internet.
"Yeah, you're fucked."
"Oh, drat."
I give unto thee the biggest of Fs in chat.
Woah that's rhymes
AHHHHHHH!!!! This is so terrifying. I love this channel.
Thank you!
I thought for sure that this was a video about the same incident as Today I Found Out discussed two days ago. NOPE! That was a _different_ improperly-disposed Cobalt-60 radiotherapy unit, this time in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, but in that case the pellets got incorporated into steel that was shipped off to be used in construction.
Unfortunately it happened too oftern
Is that the one that was discovered when the steel to be used in some construction at a US nuclear facility set of the alarms at the gate?
@@colincampbell767 yep
@@PlainlyDifficult I guess it's somewhat understandable - proper disposal of radioactive waste is plainly difficult.
@@colincampbell767 Specifically, it was Los Alamos National Laboratory.
...$450? $450?! The equivalent of a parking ticket for the improper storage of RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS?!
A similar incident occurred in Mexico in 1984.The unit was scrapped, the cobalt ended at a foundry which mixed the material into castings and rebar. It was discovered when a truck made a wrong turn into Los Alamos Lab. and set off a radiation detector. I contaminated rebar and cast restaurant table bases. Several people died and others received large doses of radiation.
The comments in your speech bubbles are priceless!
7:38 I like that doctor, he's an honest one.
when a company dosnt have use for these objects they should be FORCED to notify the regulatory body NOT just the manufacturer and this would ensure this dosnt happen again..quite simple really but sadly nm logic in the world theyd rather clean up the mess after it seems
Honestly we should all be grateful that careless people keep getting their hands on these. Imagine the damage someone who knows what they are doing with it could do
probably the same people that would know what they are dealing with, will safely do something in order to prevent more people from getting radiation poisoned
Even someone with malicious intentions would be terrified to do anything other than run from it.
@@vivianloney8826 suicide terrorist has entered the room 😁
I've seen the kind of living conditions in the areas surrounding scrapyards but it still hits hard when you hear that 1872 lived within 100 meters of that scrapyard.
If you've been to Thailand for a while,you wouldn't be so shocked. You can have a scrapyard next to a apartment complex. The name of the road on the map diagram suggests there's a temple nearby too.
I love these videos... But is there any chance you could explain the various measurements for us dummies that don't know what all the technical jargon means?
I mean like when you say 10 Milli what's its, maybe give a quick estimate of how deadly that is, like "... Which is fairly safe" or "... Enough to make you dead withing minutes", etc.
8 sieverts is the lethal dose
Look up XKCD's explanation of Banana Equivalent Dose
5 mREM = 50 uSieverts (uSv) = Exposure due to gamma rays on a cross-country flight
10 mREM = 100 uSv = Exposure from chest X-ray
300 mREM = 3 mSievers (mSv) = Total background exposure of a person per year due to natural sources, sunlight, etc.
3 REM = 3000 mREM = 30 mSv = Exposure from whole-body CAT scan
5 REM = 5000 mREM = 50 mSv = US Federal annual exposure limit for radiation workers
25 REM = 250 mSv = Threshhold to see visible changes in white blood cells under a microscope. No symptoms.
100-200 REM = 1-2 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 6 hours, headache. 5 % mortality after 30 days.
200-600 REM = 2-6 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 2 hours, headache, diarrhea, hemorrhage, infections, hair loss. Up to 50% mortality after 30 days.
600-800 REM = 6-8 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 1 hour, headache and fever, diarrhea, disorientation, hemorrhage, infections, hair loss, low blood pressure, septic shock. Up to 80% mortality after 20 days, survivors have lifelong disabilities.
>800 REM = >8 Sv = Nausea and vomiting within 10 minutes, incapacitating headache, severe diarrhea within 1 hour, high fever, septic shock, loss of consciousness. Nearly 100% mortality within 14 days.
>3000 REM = >30 Sv = Immediate incapacitation, seziures, tremors, loss of consciousness. No survivors past 48 hours.
SomeJoe7777 Thanks. But what are those Grays mentioned at the end?
@@Yggdrasil42 Gray is a unit that measures radiation level in terms of the ionization energy that is absorbed. Sievert is a modification of Gray that accounts for the fact that different types of radiation do different types of damage to body tissue, even if the Gray level is the same. 1 Gray of gamma radiation is less damaging to the body than 1 Gray of neutron radiation, for example. In terms of exposure and radiation sickness symptoms, you can in most cases think of Grays and Sieverts as equivalent because most incidents of radiation exposure involve only gamma radiation, where the Gray and the Sievert are the same (for gamma radiation, 1 Gray = 1 Sievert). Only if the specific type of radiation exposure is not gamma rays will a difference between Grays and Sieverts come in. For the incident in this video, the exposure was to Cobalt-60, which emits harmful gamma rays.
The non-SI system of units also has an equivalent. REM is equivalent to Sieverts in that it takes different types of radiation into account when computing damage to the body. The non-SI system unit that corresponds to Grays is the RAD. For gamma radiation, 1 RAD = 1 REM.
Last time I was this early a doctor had to put me into an incubator to keep me alive.
Lol relatable
Being born premature, I had a good laugh.
@fish profile? not rlly ....
Idk how I should feel about this cuz I was born premature too
Damn, the algorithm is smart sometimes. On the suggested videos to this one is a clip from the show House, titled "A Fathers Radioactive Gift Destroys His Son's Insides" in which the plot of that episode is exactly what happened in this one basically. Father recovers some scrap metal from his junkyard, makes his son a pendant, turns out to be highly radioactive.
Still one of the best channels on RUclips.
Thank you for the fresh content!
I forgot how Siemens is pronounced in english and was confused why he’s talking about semen 😭😭 (it’s originally pronounced more like zeemens)
I live in Samut Prakan Province, so this was quite interesting to me. I was actually at home when the news broke.
This is how we are going to die. How can random workers get their hands on radioactive materials by accident.
Working on cross country pipelines ,we’ve found luckily spent isotope X-ray pigs that have been lost along miles of pipe , this was on cut outs that would have ended up scrapped or stored
@@davestationuk7374 can you please say that again?
@@davestationuk7374 huh........you found what?
Man, the gov should in any country have a dedicated group to take old radioactive machines and store them.
I find it crazy how dangerous this medical equipment is.
Few times In my line of work I visited nuclear powerplant and worked directly next to reactor containment structure. In area considered radioactive hazard. At the end of a day my dosimeter never measured more than 0.002 mSv.
And then you find out that some scrap metal pellet from hospital gives you 10 Sv / h. That's crazy man.
Every time I hear a measurement number of radiation, it is always under a different unit: Rems, Roentgen, Grays, Terabecquerel, etc. ???
Co60 is a very 'hard' (1.3Mev) radiation and capable of penetrating many cm's of steel. I used to work with this stuff to radiograph thick bronze castings. I was only using 185G Bq substantially less. To operate required great attention to shielding...everything! Thanks
Everytime I watch one of these it makes me think about how people a few hundred years ago would handle this. It'd be something strange & seemingly invisible that's killing people, and they'd have no idea its radiation.
Demons.
They would think it is god punishing them for disturbing that area.
Would have been no different than bacteria and viruses, which were also invisible & killing people. There was no way to distinguish any of these things from the others. They were all just disease.
How about doing a vid on the horror story of the Therac-25 accidents?
Well done Siemens. You're not exactly blameless here.
That red sticker is hilarious, rest in peace to those folks...
Their was a scrapyard across from the one I used and they recycled stainless steel
They had a radiation detected on the weigh bridge
Pretty witty to take a story and fill it all in with the animations. I Like. Reminiscent of "The Secret Life Of Machines". Nicely done Bruv
I get so happy when I see you upload ❤️🙏🏻
Thank you!
Plainly Difficult and thank YOU!
Holy, this is more in-depth than the book and the newspaper that I've read when I was in school. Thank you so much for this vid.
Yes, I'm Thai and I've known this incident name "Cobalt-60 incident", but it didn't reveal the connections and the effects of this too.
Also, there is some strange issue on the fines, as the violation fines in the law have been drafted in ages ago, which doesn't make any sense in terms of the actual currency at the time.
Plainly Different, your videos are so informative. Keep up the great work
Just stumbled on the channel... So many great historical situations.Any thing is positive thanks a million...Gives me so many ideas to go forward with!!!Amen
Scrap collectors should consider Geiger counters mandatory.
I knew what a radiation symbol meant when I was 8 year old boy. I just showed my girlfriend the updated sign and I asked her what it meant. She said if you steal the bones you have to run away.
Note to self: If I ever find myself in a third world country, and ever happen to go to a scrapyard for any reason, I'm sure as hell bringing a geiger counter with me.
Lol pretty sure you are a american
Brony weirdo
I used to work at a company that supplied and collected radioactive sources and therapy's in the medical field. I'd deliver the sources and pick up the old ones, document them and place them in safe storage. Mostly Co-57, Ga/Ge-68 reactors, Cs-137 that kind of thing. Every source has a specific and unique serial number and had to be documented every step of the way from production to disposal. One day we get a call from a very large company that produced, supplied and dismantled medical equipment (CAT scanners, x-ray machines basically every possible machine that uses a radioactive source). A machine came back to them with the source still inside. The whole company went on lockdown (2K people at that site) as they waited for me to come and identify it, determine how radioactive it was (in Bq), label it, place it in a secure container and take it with me to the company for safe storage. The whole damn board and everyone else of importance was out and looking at me doing my thing. I've never seen such greatful bigwigs before or since. I'm glad they take radioactive sources so seriously in western europe.
"starting to feel like groundhog day"
You said it mate. And it is going to keep happening again and again until manufacturers are made responsible for end of life of these products.
Wait for so long for this . BTW your pronunciation for "Samut Prakan" is on point !
JUST THINK.... When they're 'worn out' and abandoned at 20+ years old the source is down to ~10% of its original power....
It wasn't that bad comapared to other videos about similar accidents
@@F100cTomas Barehanded handling of Co-60 is terrible any way you look at it.
@@dieselscience Barehanded handling of Co-60 is good compared to end of all life on Earth
@@F100cTomas You watched the wrong video. This is nuclear physics, not science fiction.
@@dieselscience So I have to comment under a scifi video to say that Barehanded handling of Co-60 is bbetter than end of all life on Earth?
Really detailed quite impressive the research that you have put into these videos, thanks!
I wanna start off by saying I love your videos. They are supremely interesting and you present the subject well.
ONE bit of criticism. As a complete and utter moron it would benefit me if you explained the "scales" a bit when talking about measurements of this stuff. For instance you talk about how the one couple were exposed to 6Gy. But as a dumbass as my self is that a lot? Because of the topic I'm assuming it is but this, On top of when you talk about the levels when the investigators got near the sight, without knowing the scale or "whats normal, whats high and what's OMG you're fucked" it kind of doesn't hold as much weight as it could.
Even if you just put like maybe a little note in the bottom that someone could pause and read or something I think it would help new viewers who havent' watched ALL your videos yet.
As a Thai, your pronunciation is well-pronounced and your tone is correct.
Thank you!!
PD please increase your uploads, your content is top notch and I would love to see more.
May those people rest in peace
The more of these videos I watch the more I realize there are an absurdly numerous ways to measure radiation doses. MsV, Gy, Geiger counters etc. Makes it hard to understand how much radiation is being discussed.
Is there a video explaining the several measurements for radiation exposure/emission? It can be a little confusing with how many there are.
Note: Bq = becquerel, pronounced "Beck-kerr-ell"
Ha ha, no.
Johnathan Doe what?
@@Gomlmon99 Beck Kerr Ell, its Be ker ell
Johnathan Doe who cares?
@@Gomlmon99 Us, clearly.
Took a big ol bite of sausage the second the hands went on screen. Pain 💯
¡Qué maravilla de canal me he encontrado! Estoy muy impresionada con todos los videos que has realizado que comenzaré a verlos ahora. Quedó suscrita a tu trabajo, que es maravilloso. Saludos desde México :3
Saw someone in my class watch this, this channel has definitely grown a lot
7:23 i love how they made a warning but they just show the hands in the thumbnail like lol
It's mind boggling how in 21st century anyone can be unaware of the radioactivity symbol, it been all over movies/cartoons forever thousands of times.
Can you please do a video on the units of measurement for radioactive materials?
What I want to know is, why are companies producing radioactive containing devices like this not required up front to provide for end of life disposal? I really don't care that they "licensed" that responsibility off. This has happened way too often when these machines get orphaned in places where the general population doesn't even have the education to know the danger! It's reckless and neglectful.
Oh wow, im finally here for a new release, whats up PD!
Thank you!
Egad Beirut Lebanon is going to have some stories. What an explosion. I would like the breakdown on Plainly Difficult - I wonder if he is eyeing this one.
I actually saw a truck hauling a lead containment vessel recently. I instantly recognized it because of this channel. I got closer, and sure enough, it said “United Nuclear”! It was empty, but it had carried fuel rods.
You’ve watched this channel, but still you moved closer? Umm ...
Mandy Walkden-Brown I passed it on the highway. I don’t fear nuclear power; I grew up near a plant. I knew one of the security guards there.
Been to Samut Prakan many times, but this is the first time I've heard of this incident. Thanks.
I wondered if it had a radiation warning somewhere on it, and why it was ignored. I guess growing up in America and Europe I assumed everyone knew what that meant.
Great vid. Stories like this make me so angry, and so sad. Because I've seen your other videos and interest on other nuclear/rad accidents, could you look into the Nyonoksa radiation accident? That accident has never been clear to me, but I don't know how much info is available on it.
Hi to all the early birds who were like
"RADIATION CARNAGE VIDEO! YEAHHHHHH!"
You know us SOOOOOOO well
Love the doctor speech bubbles
It could had been substantially worse had the source not remained at the scrapyard.
Knowledge is the power that keeps one alive and safe. Knowing enough to be dangerous is not good.
Amazing how careless people can be with such deadly stuff and this is just one story. Imagine how many more there are that we don’t hear about.
I think the manufacturers should be responsible with decommissioning the units. If companies like Siemens will not take back a product because they "don't deal with a particular isotope" anymore, who do they think will take care of it?
Keep these coming! Loving them, unfortunately it takes carelessness to achieve top spot in one of these videos.
Can you make a vid about the 2019 Kim Kim River toxic pollution?
Michael Shapiro
Two words is not interpretable sarcasm.
How does it felt like to be a Thai who experience the lethal radiation ?
"3.6 รอนต์เกน? ไม่ดี ไม่เลวร้ายเท่าไร"
Your vid popped up in my reccommend at 4 AM and i love it.
10:12 A yellow polo shirt and some tongs?! 😳
Seriously!
What kind of nutter would pick up a radiation source wearing zero protective gear?!
dude, its 3rd world country
what do you expect to them?
there is speculation that with gamma ray, protect or not, it doesn't matter since the gamma ray have high penetration against materials. and they have NONE of the proper equipment to protect against gamma ray
even the search method is really bad (bamboo stick with a fucking X-ray film on the tip) since getting close is not an option
You always know shits about to go down in these kind of videos when the times start getting *real* specific
I went to school in Samut Prakarn for eight years and never heard of the incident or been taught in school about this at all... shame on my education system, can’t even measure up to a youtube video.
i doubt the education department wants it to be known... heck, most of the dangerous stuff they don't even cover in schools... will you know a hazard symbol like the radioactive symbol when you see one?
To be fair it would have been utterly meaningless to talk about the dangers of radiation to people who don't even know what radiation is. That kind of stuff doesn't really get taught in general public education.
AsHalt no I won’t if i take Thai schools seriously. I only know those symbols cuz I went to the Military Reserves training.
Phoenix Fire Isn’t the point of an education is to provide knowledge??? And why would you assume that “people” in Thailand would not know about radiation anyways.
@@Voltaire8559 My point has nothing to do about Thailand, it's just a generality. Why work people up about something they don't understand? That just teaches them to fear radiation.
TY for all your work and content contributions.
Cavalry*
Love the content!
This is really interesting thank you for the effort of creating this! I love content like this