Lely vs. DeLaval vs. GEA Milking ROBOTS! - What's the Difference? | BOCP - BONUS EPISODE!
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- I've been getting a lot of questions about the difference we found with the dairy robots we looked at. They all seem to do a nice job milking cows, but there are some subtle and not so subtle difference between the major brands of Lely, DeLaval and GEA.
What are they? Come along and find out!
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Gea is very impressive robot, my box time on my mono boxes are never over 6:10 on heard doing 40kg average, extremely easy to service and I love the fact you can put a 1% iodine right on the teat end unlike the other brands it sprays...
Did you see Mlone?
Do you know how much milk GEA robot take off as a "first" milk?
Excellent comparison. You should have compared the three robots in terms of complexities, power consumption, ease of cleaning, maintenance, and of course cost.
Also what's different on the GEA is the robot has a brain box that if it gives problems, the company basically unplug the whole brain and puts another one on while they fix yours, it's a good think so you don't have to wait if something pretty big goes wrong and you'd have dowmtime
I assume you asked about cost of ownership on all three brands as well, which would be influential on decision making too.
Think i will get lely, good srimulation and cleanliness, doesnt have to drag the cup across the floor. Great service and smart tools
Choosing between those robots is a no -brainer. Go for the Lely. The A5 is a rock solid machine that hardly ever fails on you. Had a different brand of robot before the Lely's and they can break you down mentally and physically .
I certainly love the decision we made with Lely.
We are milking with the A5 for 4 Jears. We got one of the first installed A5 in Germany and I think this ist the best Robot so far
in my opinion you have forgotten an upcoming brand of milking robots, the merlin M2 from Fullwood JOZ, in my opinion the best connection system, relatively cheap and not many bells and whistles
Nah sorry but when it comes to dairy cows and milking we want all the bells and whistles lol. The more info I can get the better. If Im gonna spend $1,000,000 to build our barn I better be getting some premium milkers.
@@crandonborth then you have to buy feet and neck transponders for feed and activity. The robot can pretty much only track their milkflow and the milk. Its also situational, i have 60 cows so i have to maintain a low cost, but with 300 to 400 cows you need to meet quantity and then is all bells and whistles help welcome
@@crandonborth and sure with the merlin m2 you can get a lot of bells and whistles. The box is made in Fullwood style, the milkmeter and milksensor are from afimilk, options are with crystallab and cellcount. Transponders are also from Afimilk for tracking, activity, heart monitoring, feed intake monitoring, and predicting events as calving and time tk inseminate etc. These options you just dont have to buy but can. Checkout afimilk for more info with that.
With lely you directly buy all options and bells and whistles only one i can consider, even tho i did like them less working with them. But management systems are topnotch.
De gea robots dont last long i would not consider them. Also dont like the box and connecting system. Also delaval is not promosing with decreasing sold units. Also connecting is overly complicated, but they say that they are very good in data collecting. But yeah the robot is not great.
Boumatic forget this name, the off brand of milking robots. And stay away from SAC.
Check my second channel jacobs farm extra. I have made videos where i work with the robot, such as connecting and what you see when milking,
@@farmerjacob Thx man I appreciate it. We currently are milking 60 cows as well and considering going to robots but to make it cost effective we will be installing 4 Lelys and increasing the herd size to around 260 to 280 or what they milkers are capable of maintaining on a daily schedule. We have a close friend that has 720 cows on 10 lelys so that’s kinda what pushed us in that direction that and I don’t have to milk either. Lol
fullwood is kind of the base robot, these 3 are more advanced
Wicho one would be a better choice for grazing?
4:20 talking about the Herd Navigator, they also have specially designed robots for it. 2 different models of it (v300 supra), HN 100 and HN500. would have to check the difference between the two (im a delaval tech at a dealership).
I personoly hate the way the laval pulls the cups off of the cow. I work with lely and I think there great
Which is best Thnq
Going fullwood hope to upgrade to thr m2
how many cows per robot per day
Here in norway we all go over to lely. So much problem with delaval. Yepp they are chiper but lely is quality!
Frmaleis mange fordeler med Delaval og Gea
Gea is the only with real somatic celcount and not the other's. Also without user's cost for every result. Gea also can give less cross contamination because it does everything with the same cup. At the other robots after cleaning and if the cow lift up their leg they can make the teats dirty again.
Lely got somatic celcound top. Called mqcc
Lely all the way!
Delaval for me
Nice! What about Fullwood M2erlin?
I hadn’t heard of those before this. We don’t have them as an option in our area.
I have experience with Lely and delaval. It's easyer to keep a low cell count with the delaval. But most important is the quality of the dealer.
Most i've heard is just the other way around. I milk Lely too, no real problems with cell count.
Cual de los 3 es el más completo
Lely is best . Third to none . ?
Always informative
Does the delaval and lely not pick up scc per quater?? Really thought that was how they picked up mastitis in a quarter?? Really enjoy your videos BTW!
I can't speak for Delaval (because I can't remember anymore! Lol) but Lely tests SCC per cow, and then identifies which quarter might be the issue using conductivity.
Thanks for that
Hola! Alguien sabe que modelos de robot usa?
Definitely a5 thing doesn't doesn't give problems an it's indestructible unless you rip of a string witch is highly unlikely n takes a couple minutes to fix also better technology
what about the fullwood m2erlin
They don't sell them here in Canada.
GEA, após o edition 21 melhor robô de todos,o que mais tem números de Ordenha efetiva,aqui no Brasil ótimos resultados.
I'm milking 100 head and been having a labor issue and been looking at the whole robot thing even though I'd have to redo my whole barn setup since I'm tie stall. My question is what does the robot do with cows with dead quarters or 3 quarter cows with me putting milkers on I can just put a plug in that inflation and leave it off does the robots try to milk the dead quarter or can it be programmed to not put the milker on dead quarters and when you have a cow that has mastitus in a quarter do the robots dump that whole cow's milk or do they separate quarters and dump the quarter with mastitus or does all milk go through the system and into the tank and if you have a cow with a treated quarter how do the robots know their is a treated quarter and keep it from coming into contact with the good milk. Putting the milkers on by hand I'm able to milk bad quarters in a quarter milker and we bleach machine after every cow that has been treated or has a quarter with mastitus. Our milk is lab tested and any medicines found in our milk we pay for a truckload of milk not just our milk and we carry a low stematic cell count and because we can single out quarters when putting milk machines on. I'd like to hear how robots deal with separate quarters because it is a concern I have with going to robots. Can we keep our records for our clean milk we ship and lose production because robots dump a whole cow's milk because of a bad or treated quarter. Any information would be appreciated because no one has ever answered any of my concerns with going into the whole robot game.
Thanks for all the questions. I remember the time when I was thinking similar to you. Not all robots are the same, but the dry quarter is one they can ignore and just milk 3 quarters. Some can also separate milk and dump based on quality of milk in the quarter - however I’d be cautious. If that robot mistakes or the cow moves to one side and it starts milking a treated quarter thinking it’s a different one - you may have a problem before it can correct itself. I’d be dumping all the milk from that cow both to be safe and because we are actually required to.
I saw many moons ago and I think it was a lely installation in the UK and the farmer had multiple cows that were 3 titters and even 2’s that were milked. This would probably getting close to 10 year’s ago. Still would love to see a breakdown of a greenfield site cost of a minimum 2 milking points with room for expansion to say 4. Country cost and shipping all that jazz
I know I want to switch to robots but I think the best way is to build a completely different barn and start over and haven’t decided on which robots i’d install.
I thought the same as you. Nice to get cow flow right for robots with a new barn vs a retrofit if possible.
@Fresh Air Farmer hi! Could you calculate the consumption of electricity and water for 24 hours work time? And say how much milk he did?
Have a look at the M²erlin from JOZ Fullwood, you'll be impressed.
Tengo 25 años de experiencia en ordeño
Y este sistema automatizado es bastante estresante para las vacas 🐄 el cepillo daña mucho las ubres causando mastitis mucha electricidad agua mantenimiento al sistema no es muy recomendado pero el tiempo lo dirá
Lely is more successful in terms of technique and cow comfort, I can drink Lely expressed milk safely, I can't say that for green and blue
Hi! Could you tell us about milk line on your farm? Do you have Plastic?
Nice video.
It would be a huge benefit for farmer and cow if all manufacturers would share there patent and build it in one robot
They are completely different, but I agree some innovations should be shared like Lely and Fullwood did in the past, but now they built completely to their own ideas.
On the Lely you can also make manual movements during connection. In addition, if the suction cup falls, it does not reach the ground, because it does not collect dirt or contaminate the milk. You should inform yourself well before making these kinds of videos.
Can you?
Lely support service and maintenance are in a different league
Are you talking about price policy?
DeLaval seems the best choice with advanced RePro technology.
Agree and with the control trafic you can reduce the pellet need
Do you know anything about the costs of this additional technology? Not a standard feature on the robot.
These systems are all good. They all have there plus points but at 130000 before grant for the milking machine and no other attachments it's still labor intensive 20k for the scraper robot basic model.
Drafting gate indoor and out $?
Calf batch feeding line $?
Feeding system$?
The machine isn't economical for one robot milking 70 cows or 65 in full milk cost is more like 180-200000 minum for a set up properly easy management system. Or 2800 per cow 70
Or 5-6 year pay off before maintaining the machine for 300 per month before the cleaning products for it that you can only buy off certain manufacturers so 3600 a year +chemicals.
Then for the machine to last 10 years and be wouth notting secondhand cause the manufacturers won't service a secondhand machine. It just dosen't add up figures wise when you look at the overall picture without been blindsided
Can having a fully automated dairy allow you to work a traditional job? If you had a 50 cow herd, and say you spent $300,000 to build and automate and $200,000 on 120 acres. Let's say your total investment is $700,000. Will your 50 cow herd pay the debt off in 5 years?
Guys are out here dropping this amount on 1 or 2 rental properties. Same concept, you only deal with tenants when problems arise. And keep working your day job.
Do your 50 cows become 100 in 5 years? Do you put in a 2nd robot? In 10 years do you own 3 120 acre farms milking 360 cows? Can you now afford a manager to look after your farms while your still at your corporate job?
@@buildingwithtrees2258 the figures don't work and being realistic you can't run a second job 5-6days a week on top of it seen lads try they end up starting at 6 in the morning doing a few job's what ever they can get done 🙄before going to there job. Then coming back after 6 and not finishing till after 9. Things will suffer this way and the dream of a robot doing everything is a joke 🙃the through cost vs number you can milk doesn't add up and at the end of the day who are you working for really. And dairying is not and never was a hobby it's 7 days a week can't dream around that.
@@padraigdunne2094 What do you mean the figures dont add up.. Did you figure in 15% milk increase. Better milk components. conception rates going up. Happier cows. Healthier cows. Reduced vet bills. The data the robots can get from the milk and neck collar tags is amazing. Reduced labor. More family time. The list is endless
My neighbor has 2 16 years old delaval classics, still working fine. And there is a hole market for second hand robots. Delaval gives 6 months guarantee. Lely sells them under there taurus program, don't know if that's world with. They do in Europe and North America.
Only one question: how do they separate The First Milk (preMilk)?
And this is a key! Nohow )))) Only one robot can do that correct 😉
that is Lely
@Mehmet K. If we don't compare with Fullwood M2erlin, so, yes Lely 😉
First milk on the GEA goes down the drain.
@@matthinds8177 Cool! And how much from each quarter? (Only technical question, not marketing).
While cleaning with the udder cup, pre-milking is also done at the same time. It is not possible to measure how much milk is taken from each quarter. Because at the same time, the cleaning water passes. You never know how much milk is wasted.
Dommage que ce n'est pas en français
You should learn english mate......
Seems pretty gross to have cleaning water and good milk going through the same path on the GEA robot.... I know I wouldn't want to drink that milk
So, you want to take off first milk with special cup, like DeLaval?
Isn't gross. Once the robot sees good milk flow, it switches from the dump/calf milk container to the good milk container. The good milk part of the robot never sees cleaning water, because that is flushed out by good milk before the valves switch.
@@henryvandentop4834 AND How much milk do they dump down the drain by doing that
.....so: there is nothing sensible for us, I think!
These are all outdated stable systems.
I have in mind a system that is not technical - that attracts a cow, a sheep or a goat - with food into a kind of bay.
Then the teats are cleaned with a pulsating water sprayer, massaged - and then the milking device is attached and milked.
not more.
Clearly there should be animal identification - via transponder - and there should be a contactless inspection of the respective animal - also an internal examination of the milked milk, which should be processed immediately on site into hard cheese.
The problem: the animals have no connection to humans - they run around freely. And they look for the protected areas of their own accord and can stay there when it rains or have themselves milked.
The associated problem: there are terraces with trees and plants - kind of mountains!
I think that what I want and know exactly how it should look and function doesn't exist!
I'm watching the film here - opening the cabinets is like a journey into a world that is long outdated: today we transmit electrical current and also control data, determined data - via light, laser.
All the old technology makes what is shown in the film very complicated and expensive! and complex, time-consuming!
and I think: inefficient!
You can't monitor and control animals that run around freely by putting them in the stable and planning feeding times and milking times too!
As with all animals: they know what is good for them - when kept in stables, underfeeding is generally the norm - but overfeeding would be right!
An animal must be able to eat whenever it wants to eat - and drink as well!
I'll keep looking: there will be some people who don't stick to the old ways - admittedly, that's what makes them money - but there also has to be something that's quick, easy and safe!
I think just to be on the safe side: I'll have to design it myself!
Then all the effort spent searching would just be a waste of time!
thank you for your information!
Kind regards from Berlin, Germany
I'm glad we have an expert here
Have you looked at stable layout with each robot. I know that lely focusus on free cow traffic, while delaval likes to see forced cow trafic.
Also, did you look at how many times a day the cow comes to the robot? For example 3x milking and 5x no milking. If those values are high, the cow likes to come to the robot
free cow traffic is the cheapest one: no separating gates. Also most cow friendly.
The GEA seems to really stand out.
My neighbour has some GEA robots and they have had lots of problems with there 2
@@e.cfarmphotography1095 which monobox or older model ?
@@rafamichalak3478 it was a older model I think i think they got it in like 2017 16
@@e.cfarmphotography1095 we want to install 4x gea monobox or lely a5 but is very difficult to choose
@@rafamichalak3478 Do you know price for spare parts (only for regular services) for 5 years?
Only Lely
How much blood for 10l of milk Lely robot accept as normal milk? Do you know?
@@АлександрНовиков-б4э blood? what do you mean?
@@gokboru951 We have colour sensor in robot, right? So, my question is: how much blood should have 10l of milk for robot, and robot should say: Yes, this milk with blood. Do you know?
Go Boumatic be different
Never did understand robot milking unless you can’t find anyone to manually put milkers on like in a rotary parlor or you’re to cheap too pay someone a decent wage or you just don’t want too pay someone
I'm sorry to tell you that milking cows on the BEST possible way isn't just putting cups on!!
You just dont find the staff dude....even if you pay a more than good wage they still leave you after 1 year if you are Lucky.....if not 3 4 months and bye bye....
does anyone know how accurate the progesterone detection is with the delaval system?
99% certainty
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