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Evan Verhulst is a RUclipsr, Twitch Streamer, and professional Apex Legends athlete for Team Solo Mid (TSM). In Year 3 of the Apex Legends Global Series (ALGS) Verhulst and his two teammates (ImperialHal and Reps) experienced the most successful season in ALGS History. Verhulst and his team placed 1st, 2nd, 1st in all three of the major ALGS LANs, including a miraculous come-from-behind win in the $2,000,000 World Championship. Many believe that no future team will ever come close to matching TSM's Year 3 Season.
Verhulst is widely regarded by his peers to be the best Apex Legends Player on the planet. On top of being a World Champion and holding numerous in-game world records, Verhulst is also a role model for all. In September of 2023, Verhulst won EA’s Most Positive Player Award for his commitment to positive play by showing outstanding sportsmanship towards teammates, opponents, the league, and fans.
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Right after this video goes live TSM plays a scrims block where the energy is definitely higher and more positive. There's still a ways to go, but the team seems more inspired. Really great that Evan said his piece. Hal's response naturally twists all this stuff back on Evan, Jordan, and even Mac. Hal is a popular guy in the Apex community, and his "grind at any cost and yell a lot" brand resonates with the very young, very male gamer audience. As someone who likes Apex but thankfully has a little more perspective than the average teen twitch viewer, watching Hal talk to his teammates is not an inspiring "grindset motivation" experience. It's an uncomfortable watch- a guy with enough talent and luck to never be told "no" indulges his worst communicative instincts in a competitive culture with a real maturity problem. An army of teenage gamer twitch/YT viewers, many even less well-socialized than he is, validates his toxicity and he never learns any better. He comes to equate his immaturity with success, and any encouragement to grow personally with an attack on his dedication. His ego grows so large it has to be borne by the people around him, everyone walking on eggshells to keep from setting him off or letting him down. To the outside world he appears to be the X factor, but behind the scenes it's his teammates doing the real work of tiptoeing around a massive ego, holding things together for the sake of the collective. When things inevitably fall apart, he doesn't take responsibility. All he can see is the shrinking motivation, not the possibility that he is the cause of it.
I remember watching TSM back in the Snip3down days. At the same tourney where Reps got one of the most iconic Apex win of all time for TSM, he was also blamed for throwing the tournament away when he was poorly positioned for an endgame fight. The game that TSM lost because of that mistake was far from the last- several more games came and went, where the team failed to make an impression in the endgame. To hear Hal tell it, the blame was entirely on Jordan, despite the fact that he was responsible for calling all the games after that where TSM could have won. Even months later, in an official TSM youtube video, the duo were asked about that moment directly, and Hal failed to demonstrate any real perspective about the situation, more or less doubling down on his blame game. It was a "true colors" moment that this drama has called back to the front of my mind. The two of them went on to win many more games and tourneys after that, and I'm sure they had their own way of getting through it. But it's a shame that in order to get it behind him, Reps had to bear that kind of disrespect. It's unfair.
As Hal puts his own response out there, the fanboy army seems eager to villainize Evan. They buy into Hal's self-centered peacocking because it makes them feel powerful by proxy. They are wrong, full stop. Spitting out truisms like "it's pro apex, toughen up" makes young men (who are probably also bad Apex players) feel tough and cool. Competitive play raises standards, certainly, but does not make a person any less human. And does anyone honestly believe that any person, doing any thing, will do their best if they are being constantly denigrated and talked down to? It's not about sunshine and rainbows, it's about building an environment where everyone is best able to contribute, and feels respected. There's a difference between criticizing and bringing out the best in your teammates, and abusing trust - and it's an immature mistake to think the more brutal one can be means their statements are more wise.
The Apex community's embrace of this kind of toxicity is a perfect case study of eSports' as a whole's inability to "grow up" and break through to the mainstream. It's still a niche interest for sweaty gamers, and the way people watch and talk about it proves it, sadly.
Now the sigma grindmaster Apex sweats have the team to root for- Hal has a teammate in Zero who can match his braggadocious performance of a tough-as-nails badass who plays computer games for 8 hours a day. There's definitely a lot of raw talent on that team- and they'll most likely tear each other apart after a while. If Evan, Reps, and Zap can find the motivation within themselves to write a new story, I think it will be a great one.
- Jacob Dysart, #1 NYT Best-Selling Author.
Well written mate. If you want a side hustle I’ll hire you as a writer for a channel I’m working on.
Reality: Falcons will win everything and TSM is never going to win shit again lol
@@guilhermebahia6050 pull Hal’s glizzy out of your mouth for a second and catch your breath 😂😂.
@@VerhulstYT gladly big E
Also, this tells us that everybody made the right decision.
It is clear everyone did. Hal is back to winning while E is making videos about how he wanted to quit and finally tryna take credit for throwing
@@rollin60zand Hal complained about quitting many times 😂 what your point exactly?
@@rollin60znah hal fr a cry baby ngl😭
Hal is back to winning and E is here making drama videos.
Big e voiced his opinion to hal about hal acting like the baby b!tch boy he is and hal didn't want to act in a respectful manor. Now hal goes running to dz his biggest competition after seeing that they are doing better than him. HAL DESERVES TO GET SMACKED. HAL HAS NO LOYALTY AND NO HONOR. HE IS NOTING BUT A SNAKE.
I think at this point I’m a verhulst fan not necessarily a TSM fan. I will watch you play wherever you go homie
honestly so facts. Honestly the more I watch pro leagues the more I find that I don't root for teams but rather individual players
100%!
Same
@@wesleymarquardt4708 same
@@wesleymarquardt4708honestly the way you kids are nut hugging this scrawny kid is cringe.
Playing with Hal sucks......but it pays well...
Perfect synthesis
Take a drink everytime he said it sucked playing with Hal. No but my actual thoughts are Hal has an emotional intensity that most won’t vibe with. Like Evan said: you wanna win? Play with Hal
This is what people fail to understand. You’re very smart if you figured this out since many just see Hal as “mean” or a “dick”. I have family members like this and there pretty successful people tho it’s crazy. They get abit mean under pressure when business is kinda off but they always also let you know they appreciate you even if it’s not directly said. Micheal Jordan was also know for crazy mind games 😂
@@EL_N0IR_2201 100%
Lol never compare gamers or family to mj 😂@EL_N0IR_2201
@@juliopadilla7346fr since Hal isn’t addicted to gambling like MJ was and really does just play the game and practice his ass off. Clown😂
@waka-andrew um what the fuck? You're actually brain dead. Holy fuck. Come back when Hal has NBA champ rings + a Hall of famer, internationally beloved. Is a multi millionaire
Thanks for taking the time to address the “drama.” The reason I root for tsm is purely because of your gameplay, personality, and attitude. If you can join one of the most toxic igls (don’t tell me it’s all “passion”- good leaders don’t tear people down), keep your cool, IMPROVE, and go on to win 2 lans? Then I’ll root for you no matter the team.
Shut up. Good leaders have passion. Who are you to say that they don't? Any igl that isn't passionate fade into obscurity. No wonder nobody knows you and people know ImperialHal.
Preach! They hide behind "its just passion" yeah no
You are jokeing right Val is full of shit
Hal picked the right career for his "passion" In any other profession he'd have his teeth rearranged a good minute ago
Yes
Taking breaks can be beneficial to your performance. Not playing 1-2 days per week or taking a week/month off and perhaps touching some grass. You can come back more refreshed instead of bored and burnt out from playing the game 10 hours everyday. Also changing loadoats can make things more interesting.
I am sorry but thats bs
yeah thats a no you gotta understand these guys are not casual gamers its a job for them like most of us have to clock in 8 hrs a day same for them plus they are like any other athlete you gotta put in the work to be the best thats the reason they get a paycheck i think its even more demanding in esports as they dont have a guarantee paycheck like pro athetles
A month off is too much, 2-3 days every 2 months or so is fine
It’s beneficial for most people, but there is a minority out there where grinding 7 days a week is just how they operate. You see it in every profession. And those people that *can* do that are typically the best at what they do. Its just most people aren’t Iike that, and being in a position where you’re in the spotlight like being a pro player in a video game, the people like that can look crazy because most people don’t have that kind of mentality or drive to be the best at what they do. They just wanna do what they can and go home. Or in the case of video games, they just wanna have fun. People like Hal get slack because we just don’t understand them. I’m personally someone who needs breaks, so I don’t relate to someone like Hal, but I understand why he is how he is.
Yeah but there's a spectrum to it. Five days hard grind then two days off is a good mix. 10 months hard grind then a four months off is gonna build up so much rust.
Nothing to do with the topic but my guy has better accuracy on 300m than me on 5m... Crazy
Yeah fr. I could barely pay attention cos his spray is so clean.
Aim bot assist
@@osmanya.grauvaldivia3345 You do realise there is no aim assist on firing range targets. I dare you to try this on controller and post it.
It's not easy lol I get like 23% accuracy and that's at best
@@ridiak3637it is hard, yes, and his aim is better than 99% of the population, but controller also has little to no recoil even without the aim assist.
Hal IS the grind haha
Regardless of your “side” or opinion on this, what is important to take away from this is HOW you communicate is just as if not more important than WHAT you are communicating. Anyone can tell someone else “you need to do better.” But saying it in a way that the other person receives it constructively and actually acts on it, is an art and skill. And it absolutely will have an impact on the culture of any level of relationship.
Keep it up Big E and keep grinding.
You have no clue wtf happened becouse you werent there so you just fanboy Val
@@xythiera7255 I’m sorry, please fill me in since you were there. All I was doing was sharing something from my own personal experiences and how I saw it in this situation from Evan’s perspective. So again, please enlighten me.
You never played any sports 😂
@@Theturthwill sure I have. I’ve played a few and been a part of several teams, both competitive and non-competitive. Hell, even teams at work count since you’re working towards a common goal. One of the biggest things that impacts how your team functions and its culture is communication. What you say, who you say it to, and how you say it, all makes a difference on the team’s relationships.
@@Theturthwill We can agree to disagree. There’s plenty of emotions in sports/games and they absolutely belong there. What I will say to that is I wouldn’t compare the emotions of war to a sport. You can’t compare a game, no matter how competitive, to war. Something I’m willing to bet neither you or I have ever been directly involved in.
I don’t think Hal would tolerate being IGLed by Hal
Well he's being IGLed by Zer0 now soo..
The way it felt like team coms would go after they lost a fight would be Hal would lay into Evan and Reps, then Reps would lay into Evan to pass on some of the buck. Not fun to be in that situation.
Big E would put paws on Phillip lol
😂😂
There both frail Shi would sound like bones cackling
@@JFrmDaAK Bro hits the gym hal weak af
@@joeltaylor67 who hits the gym Evan 🤣🤣🤣 jus stop
@@joeltaylor67Hal carries, Evan can try and bench press a 9mm if he wants
I love when Evan defends himself lol. People always try and bully big E but he stands on business. Ofc he wanted to quit, dude is getting screamed at every single day, in ranked lobbies lmao.
100%. Hes got his money, earned every cent havin to deal with that goof. Wouldn’t blame him from retiring from this brain rot game moving on and enjoying his bread.
@@0maxk_ The goof is better than Evan lol
@@guilhermebahia6050 I never mentioned any player skill once
@@guilhermebahia6050 As an IGL, Hal's got that for now. In terms of mechanics though, Hal can't hold a candle. Just look up their 1v1s, it's not even close.
@@guilhermebahia6050 1v1 ? Evan absolutely mops the floor with Hal
Even though i dislike Hal and am glad he left TSM. I shall not choose sides as both parties understand each other and will still be friends at the end of the day.
bro without hal TSM will never win anything again
@@codynewland4968 classic Hal bootlicker
Neither will 90% of other teams. It doesn’t make them bad, they’re just like everyone else though now.
Hal says he will only leave TSM if they play poorly. So they play poorly to make sure he leaves damn...
Is that your take? That they played poorly on purpose?
They were playing poorly the entire split before they even knew he was leaving.
@@ADcrackerjack I'm being facetious
Okay big e said catch these damn hands Hal 😂😂
Yeah that's been brewing up for a long time he probably dreamt about it haha
@@bal7530he still lives with Hal, doesn’t have to be a dream.
@@downplay2146 I don’t know if you live under a rock or something but Hal hasn’t lived with the TSM boys in almost 2 years now. He bought his own house in Texas which is where his new setup is and the one before that.
@@Grimslyy I think he plays at his house but goes home. He appeared on the stream when Verhulst did the podcast
@@CountryKirby. nah I be in his stream all the time. He’s mentioned that he lives in his own house and the other two have their own house they share. They did all have a house together awhile back which is the one verhulst and reps live in right now, but Hal moved out to have his own place. Big E can confirm if he responds to comments.
truth is, evan and jordan are grinding again cuz they gotta pull their weight now
lol facts
Fr
No shit. They lost their igl.
@@teazzersNot just that but their best player. It's gonna be hard for their team to find a true replacement.
Truth is Evan didn't enjoy playing with a fake friend that Is hal.
Sounds like everyone just got burnt out.
Yeah, after grinding super hard during the TSM stretch run winning the ALGS titles, they may have just needed a break. Hal had more incentive to continue the grind as he makes the big loot as the top APEX streamer. Hal has to be making bank off the streaming.
Damn I must've been a fool. I didn't know it was THIS bad. Bro couldn't wait to break free lmao
Yeh it's tricky cause raven coming in hot helping heaps. But there is a point where you need take your own initiative as well particularly for preparation.
Somtimes you have to Check someone to let them know running your mouth comes with consequences
yeah the consequences of winning championships
@@siniister710 Hal didnt win alone
What consequences, winning? Sounds like a good consequence to me
@@Greeey Did you miss the part where he said Hal backed off for the rest of the tourney and they ended up playing better? Idiot lmao. Him berating his teammates did not = winning the tourney. Them playing well did. Hal is the GOAT but he sucks at properly communicating with people. Hop off his knob. Ya'll fangays can't help but jump to his defense if someone so much as critiques him. Sad as hell
@@shiki494he was winning before, with and after verhulst
I want to know at around 7:08 how you doubled zoomed that iron sight Havoc….😳
Im sorry but the thumbnail is funny af i cant
I really appreciate both you and Hal a lot. I understand the passion from Hal and the single-minded focus to win. That's why he wins and also part of why he's so annoying to play with. Yes, you can have passion and not be toxic, but it is definitely easier to lose your cool when your main priority is consistently to win. I just hope you find a way to be great and find a team you mesh with.
Awesome insightful video, really appreciate your honesty Mr. Evan!
you can only take so much shit from someone even if you win a lot. Hal is a great player but no doubt his constant raging affects the overall team play
I find it hillarious how Hal's fans are prettending he is not a piece of shit to Evan all the time "omg i didn't know that side of Evan he is a bad person" bro use your brain and actually watch the past scrimms, don't pretend Hal is not just a dick.
Dear god I'm not particularly a fan of either but grow a pair, if you gave up on something in life every time your feelings get hurt you will literally get nowhere, if your fans and views mean more to you then your friends you got your prioritys all wrong, and the fact your saying "use your brain" while responding with an emotionally based comment is what I find haliarious.
@ferdiaobrien3238 Get someone yelling at your ears everytime you interact with them and belittle you, so you can keep saying "grow a pair" has a cope for yourself.
@@cesarvideos100Jesus you’re weak
@cesarvideos100 I've nothing more to say you literally just proved my point again 🤣🤣 my question is who yelled at you to make you so soft?
@sammy-ly5tq Being "weak" and self respect are two different things, I know we want to get the wins in life and succeed but people get tired of being treated in a certain way and not respect boundaries. Not putting friendship has a priority is kinda funny since Hal is the one who left after "they didn't perform" even tho TSM was having a constant amount of victories and dealing with burnout for how many hours they put in the game. One big lost and that was enough. Fine, get your wins, but don't be a hypocrite.
His feelings are valid but I don't understand him airing out the situation like this unless he's doing it for clickbait. Not a good look tbh.
"Shots fired" in the thumbnail is wild
It literally speaks for itself, creats the drama then tries to get views from it, sign of a poor character. This is just his next "good business" move 😂
Maybe cause people have questions&he's expressing himself. Where as, under Hal. It seems like he never got to
@@teazzersHal literally said in stream everything verhulst is talking about publicly, they already discussed privately and squashed it. So yea verhulst is doing this corny fake crap for attention
I lost so much respect for verhulst after this corny stunt
In the old TSM, there was too much difference in the passion of the teams. Passion is sometimes more important than mechanics. Hal now seems happy to be surrounded by teammates with the same level of passion.
by gg translate boy
Change is good most of the time, freshen things up
But bro imperialhal and reps is so right thoo reps said that without hal being angry about mistakes they would never win that many tournaments in their whole life and imperialhal talking about people only listening when they are winning and talking back when they were losing
now there are 3 lunatics, Hal,Evan and Dezign
Hals the way he is cause he justs to win! He always said this, he said many times he wished his teammates knew what to do in fights so he didnt have to tell them how to play the god dam game, hence why he wanted Gen and Zero.
This was far more unfiltered than I expected and I respect that. I hope all of this has been discussed with Hal beforehand, otherwise this might cause some drama, which I would hate to see.
Honestly all of this was quite clear to me from your scrim vods, and it is what it is. I expected Hal to be more rational outside the game though.
Love yall, including Hal. I hope it doesn't get toxic for you - there's only one outcome if you get targeted by a borderline _[REDACTED]_ and his audience. (iykyk)
yeah. Immature things immature boys do
All love man. You haven’t hit your ceiling yet, not even close.
Keep your head up
when guys have drama, we get it figured out and go back to being friends within a week. they're still friends at the end of the day, you may hate them at times and actually want to hit them but that's just because you care.
What a simplistic way of seeing relationships between males
@@pepinpunzo5848 we guys are pretty simple, for the most part
Through all this, nobody saying about this guys insane iron sight havoc control on a target 300m away?? Lol
We all love you evan everyone has their limits!!!!
I think about quoting my job everyday 😂😂
I can totally understand you
are we gonna ignore that level of recoil control w havoc thats crazy
Yeah then proceeds to never do this in a game. 🤡
@@kyleadams6720 he literally does you clown 😭😭😭
@@kyleadams6720 wait this is in game 🤔
@@notdedsec_ck9383 it’s in the practice range incel. He gets smoked like a blunt all the time.
@@kyleadams6720 why r u mad kiddo 🤓
Some people thrive in a toxic workplace.
The vast majority don’t and it really doesn’t bring the best out of anyone.
You want the best out of someone, you work to bring the best out of them and that takes a certain ability in leadership.
Ranting can work, but not all the time.
We are human, folk make mistakes.
I said a long t8me ago that if Hal spoke to me like he did to his team mates, I’d have bea5 the fuck out of him. Hal might well be a phenomenal player, but you can’t win team games solo so you need to bring your team mates on as high a lvl as you can possibly get them too.
Hal might be happier in Falcons, it has that Aussies shit talking Anglo Saxon self deprecating way. But it could go wrong and explode into a storm.
After listening to you’re side I kind of get it, I still think Hal is well worth the annoyance tho lol
How are you hitting your shots from that far
You made the right decision joining TSM because I had no idea who you were and only casually follow comp apex and only TSM because of that. But now i’m a Verhulst fan for life and ion even play this game anymore!
this is bad looks. saying he is his friend and then go online to blame him nonstop for views is just bad.
nice info, was kinda like what I imagined had happened. I always said Hal was a great player, but bad igl, constantly demotivating his teammates. And thanks for sharing, I think it is best to be honest about these things, that way everyone has a chance to learn and move forward
I'm a big fan of you Evan, I'm sure there's so many other people that felt the same way as you, I just want to say you're one of my favorite apex legends players and you being yourself and being real, I respect you man.
Is nobody talking about that insane aim?
I like how you're able to acknowledge you worded things poorly about Raven and that things aren't black and white. Respect the maturity. I'm not surprised at all that playing with Hal is like sacrificing your sanity for Ws lol.
Just a clash of personalities honestly
Hal was grateful to have you on his team. Proud of you big E you better than Mac and snipe combined. In a league of ur own
but then Evan turns out to be an immature clout chaser whos so ungrateful and disrespectful to Hal.
Hal looks a bit more relaxed as a frager maybe this role suits him better for his mental health and long term performance...
I mean this kind of intense personality can reach burnout moments.
Maybe Hal is an exception, I don't know him, it's just my opinion...
Protect this man🗣
Lmao bro wanted to quit and then bases a coaches performance off of his own terrible performance... bro needs to just own up
@@turkeyman631 Yeah I agree, Raven don't have any power kick someone in the roster and he blamed the coach hahahaha! Have some guts and be a man.
@@turkeyman631and wtf is coaches job if not to motivate the player and help him play better? I think they are both at fault and bot did a bad job overall.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH protect this man said 12 years old kid.... U just dont even understand situation. like wtf hahaha
@@Valarizator understand the situation, what is there to understand philosopher?
Lemme start by saying I’m a big E fan so I’m just curious- do you dislike Hal or just disliked playing WITH hal?
I think that this time Verlhust was wrong, at no point did HAL talk shit about him and reps, on the contrary in the videos of his farewell to TSM he wished them the best of luck and indicated that they were great friends, so Verlhust can't talk days later This garbage from his igl and former team leader, there are things that one keeps for his personal circle and discusses it if necessary with them in private, not in the way he published it through this video, leaving Hal bad, I think that it is unmanly to speak with such arrogance in a negative way about someone who made you earn money because he is passionate about what he does and that is why he left, both verlhust and reps were shit in the last LAN and if it had not been For Hal they would not have won these last championships, in fact there are many players like Reps and Verlhust in the professional scene, Hal could easily replace them but he was more of a man and preferred to step aside without harming his teammates. To be honest, TSM won't win a shit from now on because of karma and how Verlhust is handling this situation. now they play verhulst and reps 8 hours a day when with hal they only played the minimum, in life you have to be a man in business and if you were not happy or comfortable, you should have said so, take your things and go to hell, not look resentful and demotivate the one who had made you earn millions....
Can't blame Hal for leaving when team not working hard. Can't blame team for not feeling motivated while being berated daily so pf course doesn't perform as well. Cant quite blame Raven for not being motivated bc of drama fatigue. Basically nothing out of the ordinary happened throughout all this and everyone milking for content. 😂 I'm not mad since it takes my mind off my own bs. So good job all around.
I appreciate your genuineness and honesty. Good luck Verhulst.
thats immaturity
Let your skills shine.. you don’t need the toxicity of Hal being an igl. Nobody can fault you for losing passion when playing with someone that constantly places blame and berates you. Sometimes you need to put a bully in their place.. everyone needs to be humbled at some point.
It takes a lot to make Big E mad
It's super admirable how you handled yourself when explaining your experience and answering chat's questions, especially the folks that just kept repeating "but why didn't you tell him he was being unreasonable" like 😭... of *course* you did. Really glad that you can be transparent with us about these things and it's really telling in his response how it just wouldn't have been possible to keep playing with him if it made you so miserable. Cheering you on no matter where your career takes you, Big E! ♥
Yall need to run the 1v1s
Big E villain arc I’m here for it 🔥 Apex boogeyman 👻 I’m only here for Evan yo
JUST WATCH YOUR MOUTH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU VERHULST. ITS VERY CLEAR NOW AFTER HEARING ALL THIS THINGS YOU COULDN'T HANDLE THE PRESSURE. WISH MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY AS TEAM WORK. SO GET YOUR SIT TOGETHER AND PLAY AND IMPROVE.
If Hal just could communicate more effectively and yell less .He would be so much easier to play with.
It’s funny that people are calling him a clout chaser or it’s for the views, yea your giving it to him it’s EXACTLY what he wanted 😂 it’s working
I couldn't play with Hal we be fighting for sure 🥋🥊
Yeah Zero fits Hal's personality
To be fully honest I feel like Evan used to pop pills , whether it was Adderall or whatever.. the day he stopped grinding his Jaws is the day he became average.. watch old clips dude used to be grinding his Jaws the whole time
Bro I want to know more
My personal opinion, this never had to go public, this "drama", Raven talking about it, Hal talking about it, Evan talking about it, I think what happens in a team stays in the team, even if they split up.
mr VERHULST , in R5RELODED PLEASE COME TO EUROPE SERVER TOO , you only go U.S,,,,in europe many love you and proud practice with you ,dont forget us in EU server,lobby
Hal is lebron & Verhulst is Kyrie
Hal still doesnt believe that his character and the way he talks down on people/team mates isnt the problem. Maturity issue
What problem, the problem of stacking up all his trophies? Evan’s mindset is fine for a casual player but not a pro, he’s done he won’t win anymore . But hey maybe his team will be nice
@@emberwaves311 ok buddy…lol
@@CrypticmsngrI mean, they’re not wrong lol. Evan is the only one that’s ever had a problem with the way Hal leads his team. All his other teammates have nothing but good things to say about him, Alb even said he took him for granted and looks for teammates with his exact mindset. Hal’s a winner, leaders in literally every other team sport around the world all have had the same mentality and acted the same way with their teammates
@@emberwaves311you’re definitely not going to be a pro or win anything. So nobody really cares what a bum has to say about anything
@@cooltron same to you? What a dumb empty comment lol
Nah how the fk you hitting those havoc shots that far :O
Its almost like he is a pro player
Plot twist reps and verhulst played poorly on purpose 😂
I understand how Verhulst feels because he was being dragged down verbally, there were times where I felt like no one really listened to what he "Had to say", and they just kept telling him to try harder and you can't because you're frustrated and pissed off because of the unsettled arguments and disputes, which makes you not want to play the game because you're constantly being criticized even though he was doing everything he could do to improve as a player. Plus words are being exaggerated, people need to learn how to take constructive criticism, especially when a player calls out his ex-couch saying he fell off. Raven didn't know how to talk to Evan on a personal level but instead dug into him like Hal did in the beginning.
This is sad, bro. All grown men gossiping. Smh 😪🙄
@@godpleasegimmehottomboygf😂
not gonna lie i always thought u are the best in the team (jordan, hal, u) and u still are in my opinion the best in the team for me
I agree. Playing with Hal would suck.
But you win. Tsm won 1 tournament and has been bottom at almost every thing
@@raulnorris1231not true
@@Ballistic-vn6em Falcons is outperforming TSM by a landslide
@@guilhermebahia6050they outperforming everybody. And it was expected. They have 3 of the best players to ever touch the game on the same team. And the 2 best IGLs on the same team.
@@zachk2473 Yeah, of course.
But people mistake Hal antics with how good he actually is at the game, which is literally GOAT level.
At the end of the day, we're not with Hal, we're not with tsm, we're with big E.
They said playing with Kobe sucked too, it’s hard to match that work ethic.
Honestly, I can't speak English and I'm writing this with translation, but I hope you all are doing well and still be your friend, you guys are my idols, I won't blame anyone who's right or wrong because you are my idols TSM, Jordan, Evan, Hal, I hope the best for you and keep being the best in my eyes no matter what the result is ❤
ngl verhulst is kinda smart for using this shit as click bait
Everyone knows Big E whoopin Phillip
Nah
YES FACTS @@Zyron416
😂 yeah okay
You should have been honest with Hal and told him he was the problem months ago even if his character wouldn’t change just to break that barrier. And one thing I found odd is when you went swimming with him and didn’t let him know you were about to expose him. That’s just me though. But none the less we know you’re not confrontational but in the future make sure you speak out before everything overflows. Good luck in split 2
It is like Hal said: Clicks and engagement. Don't you think it is strange how big E comes out of nowhere with topics like that, better thumbnails and waaaay more content? Seems a bit strange, doesn't it?
It was really immature of Evan to talk about all these in stream, Especially if they already had these discussion happened in private. These are team secrets happened between real fiends, who had all the success playing together in the last 3 years and should have been kept as a secret. Hope this issue won't blow out of proposition than it already is and they can remain as good friends 😟🤞🏻
i feel like u restrained urself well here in "Opening Up". doesnt feel like ur hating, just voicing ur experience through it all. I enjoy u on TSM. now i will enjoy u as a Person. mad respect
Big E is really looking bad in this drama. He should have never brought it up.
Speak your truth 🫡
Sounds like the end of a relationship tbh. Everyone fell out of love with each other and stopped trying. Hal didn't love the team and didn't engage with the TDMs, you didn't love the game or playing it with Hal (understandable), Raven didn't love the decline. An amicable break is perfectly sensible.
It sounds like right now you and Reps are healing, Hal is looking back with rose tinted glasses wishing it had never changed but accepting it, and Raven is still in the anger/denial stage.
Ho, boy. I though this wasn't real...
11:00 if you did that with e8 kinda makes sense for Hal to do what he did. Yall shouldn’t have had this built up over two years to spill over stream. Apex is toxic af and yall should be the change
would Evan punching hal ruin his career? i think not
seeing Zer0 ragdoll hal is so nice
Wym?. Their stomping?
Did you see the clip of Zer0 pointing out every time Hal got downed needlessly? XD
@@THENickRyderlol they just stomped scrims man
Here are my thoughts:
People took what you said way out of proportion (although it's good for clicks so nobody complains lol). What you said wasn't even that bad. You spoke about how you felt, saying that it was hell playing with Hal and that it's the reason why you and Reps got demotivated, but you still gave him his flowers and said he's a grinder, a great player and a winner. You were fair and honest there imo.
I also understand how the incident where you told him you're about to hit him would change things. I understand how you felt that he was taking the in-game toxicity out of the game and bringing it into your real personal lives, with other people around. Philip was being Hal irl, and your reaction is understandable and warranted imo.
I also think the biggest problem is the double standard. Hal can say, do and hurt anyone he wants anytime he wants. He can lynch you publically and your job is to take it, he has the right to do it. But god forbid you give the slightest criticism towards him.
For what it's worth, I think this situation is not uncommon when someone who people aren't used to hearing speak out decides to speak out against someone with clout/power like Hal. A lot of people will instinctively side with the person with more power and shun the quiet party when they decide to finally speak out. People don't like it.
I think Hal is a good person from what I can see, but he has a huge ego and is quite fragile imo. You come off as more confident, more self-assured, even if you may have your own struggles. You just seem more put together, and you're not afraid of speaking what you need to say. So props for that.
I personally think this drama is stupid. You guys chose to keep playing with him despite your personality differences which made the environment toxic and not enjoyable. He made is very clear he wasn't going to change, like he said the passion he is why he is where he is. If you're having conversations weekly with someone about their emotions and how they need to calm down and they still don't it's not on them if you decide to keep playing with them. Especially when they make it clear their emotionality is part of their personality and is not going to change. I understand the reasoning for wanting to keep playing with the best player in the game, but if your personalities don't mesh and you're aware of this but decide to keep playing with them that's on no one but yourself. It's also not on raven to be your therapist although that's the role he took on initially that was probably something that happened unintentionally which is why it didn't remain that way. Raven probably realised hal wasn't going to change and therefore wasn't gonna keep being the voice of reason for literally no reason. I just personally think this video/drama throws a lot of shade on hal when the fact is all of you knew what you were signing up for when you decided to play with him. I understand you wanted to talk about this situation and talk about your side of the drama but the reality is half of this video is just talking about how shit it was to play with hal but yet you decided to keep playing with him which i understand was for a multitude of reasons. I just think it's not fair on hal that you'd basically throw shade on him for no reason. Maybe I've missed some stuff but from what i know hal hasn't thrown shade on any of you other than showing his feelings of disappointment by your guys' performance in the most recent lan. I understand i can't really talk about this considering I'm just a viewer but to randomly come on yt and see a video of you basically talking shit about hal just baffles me maybe I'm crazy
Also i just wanna clarify i know hal isn't a perfect little pony, and has some real emotional and maturity issues that made him a toxic leader, I'm completely aware of this, i also understand how frustrating it must've been to play with him but the fact is like i said everyone in the algs space knows hals toxic passion it's literally part of his brand. Talking about how terrible it was playing with him when you're the one who agreed to play with him just genuinely makes no sense to me. Personally, i think you need to be aware of who you're joining and whether your personalities will mesh well BEFORE you join a team, rather than joining simply for the money then complaining when the environment is toxic like that's not on par for the course of playing with hal, the most well known player in apex.
He does need to mature, he does need to work on his emotions, he does not need to be shit on by his ex teammates for being toxic when it was their choice to play with him in the first place. You can't value money over your enjoyment and then complain when you're not enjoying something. You literally brought it on yourself.
Also i wanna say everything the other guy said is completely correct, and touches on a issue larger than this drama and puts it in an incredibly articulate manner.
Mf talked smack and saw that he was getting diffed in scrims and social media then started doing tricks on Hal again. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
@@godpleasegimmehottomboygf mf has nothing better to do that talk shit to everyone in the comments. Get a grip weirdo
It doesn't matter AS A GROWN MAN WE GOTTA RESPECT EACH OTHER
Thats the thing..hal is in his early 20s and Evan is younger i believe..hal has alot of growing to do lol