'Teenage Dad's Army': Starmer dismisses PM's national service policy
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
- The Labour leader has called Rishi Sunak's policy to introduce a form of mandatory national service requiring 18-year-olds to either join the military for 12 months or undertake weekend volunteer work 'desperate', adding that it would create a 'teenage Dad's Army'.
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Delivering a keynote speech in West Sussex while campaigning for the general election, Starmer said: 'All this spinning round and round ... it's symbolic of the chaos and the instability'.
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#KeirStarmer #RishiSunak #NationalService #UK
Funny how it’s always people who’ve never done national service who want it 😂lol 😂
We can all do our national service and vote out the tories.
Tories’ bold new idea: mandatory volunteering
That's called slavery.
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillarAnd been married, or is that just my missus?
@@royboy565 But I assume you freely entered into wedded bliss. 🙂
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar rubbish ,slavery ?? Young school leavers like in Holland should have a stint in our defence plus they could learn a great trade instead of claiming benefits and living there iPhone
Bring it on
@@peterwebster6955 What is forced, unpaid work other than slavery? Dress it up all you like, but it is still slavery.
My teen niece is studying at university and working two jobs, to try and make her take on more is abuse.
Nobody is asking for her to do more.
It’s a volunteer scheme.
Why is she working two jobs?
That's not how it works, any scheme for people to spend say 12 months or a year in social/community/military service whether compulsory or voluntary scheme (voluntary shouldn't mean unpaid ) means a deferral of other plans for that time. - Many people already take a gap year before Uni or other next step in life volunteering.
@@wentoneisendon6502 To cover living costs including rent.
@@wentoneisendon6502 to pay for university I would imagine smfh
Who do you think you are kidding Mr Sunak? 🤷
Perfect
Who do you think you are kidding Mr Sunak? and where are you getting the money from?
Or starmer
@@stephenford2758Well all your Tory mates found money for their mates,so we can use that
@@terryloftus8626 I hate the tories. I was just pointing out that if the Tories think National service is so great, then why did they abolish it in 1960
National service or compulsory voluntary work. How can something compulsory be voluntary. There is another term for that: community service, which is a criminal sentence.
So the proposal is for teenagers to be forced to serve some sort of criminal sentence.
What they mean to say is conscription, I think 🤔
Stop talking sense, the tories don't like it.
YTS wasn't cheap enough now they want free work
@@chrisharding9531read between the lines stock pile food and now laying the foundation of a secret concription
No, no, no. It's called 'the Big Society.' Remember?
They’re trying to ban adults smoking and want kids on the battlefield. *PRIORITIES.*
Got to get the middle east body count up somehow
So why not just call it a Lad's Army...?
Rerun that superb programme and our ( depleted ) forests will become tent cities full of draft dodgers !😂
Because lasses will have to do the same - equal ‘opportunities’‼️
@@MiPointIs Of course, but Starmer, in his infinite wisdom was the one who called it a 'Dad's' Army. Might be worth dropping him a line, too...🙂
who do you think you are kidding Mr Sunak
The British army has been the best PROFESSIONAL army in the world for ages, yeah why not add conscription xD
Tories have decimated the armed forces with underfunding it for years.
tbh as right wing as i am, the tories have gutted our army for decades now. USA doesnt even deem us as war ready anymore we're so small
Only thw tories would cut so much from the military and then try and conscript people to fill the gaps left by their own incompetence
Dont tell him Pike
National services. …. A bit like the youth training schemes of the 80’s.
Agreed, slavery
@@englishraven1075 Duty = slavery soo true
like thatchers video nasties culture.
National citizenship service exists. Its like a summer camp only you work in your local community and do a fundraiser for those in need. I did it. Fun.
I'm a patriot and I wouldn't care one way or another if I had to serve. I would do so under the guise of serving the King and country, and it would look great on my CV.
Plus, if there's a chance I get to work on a type 45 valued at 2 billion per boat, I would be eternally happy.
We do t even need national service easier way to sort it out, you get caught with a knife or a gun even if its your first time your in the army for 5 years, if your under 18 you stay there till you are if your over 6 weeks traing straight to the front line, watch knife and gun crime go down over night when the first lot get sent there. Kinda like a boot camp.
create worthwhile employment paying respectable wages. not grandpa's dads army.
Tories don't do proper govt just silly slogans and daft policies.
American living in the UK here: don't let the tories win and make the UK more like the hellhole I left
5 days @ school PLUS
2 days in boot camp EQUALS
Mental Health Apocalypse 😱
The Right-Wing playbook is fairly limited, and as a result quite predictable.
I've been living in France for a while, currently in the ramping up to elections, the FN slogan is 'La France revient'. Well, sorry if France is coming back, then where has it been all this time?
Maybe, they could make some MFGA caps, meaning Make France Great Again, or alternatively MuddaFuGAs.
You seem to insunuate the right has been in power in France for the past many years? But it hasn't so I don't see how this is similar to the UK at all
@@user-tf5mm6jc9h They didn't say that, in fact the language would imply the opposite. The right has been growing in France and they're coming out with statements like that
The Right Wing playbook is gonna gobble you up in France! Just another blind lefty!!
Yeah.. don't come back
@@j7ech402. I come back frequently, and will continue to do so. There's not much that your impotence can do about it.
As an island thats pretty much safe from ground invasion we have no need for a large army the navy and air force should be prioritised over the army
Yeah if you want to abandon our overseas interests and our NATO commitments.
There are certain demographics I'd rather not be taught how to handle small arms...
❤
😂 certain demographics handle small arms either way.
I agree, the racist far right types should not be taught this.
Anyone with a criminal history of violence, public disorder, or harassment shouldn't be taught anything they could use to intimidate or harm others
Handling small arms can be learnt from a quick Google search or playing call of duty
I wonder how doing National Service in the army will go down with Republicans in Northern Ireland....
It was proposed for 30% of those eligible and to be voluntary.
Sounds like a useful crash course for dissidents.😊
Countrys absolutely unrecognisable.
I want to feel relieved Starmer isn't going down the same rabbit hole as Sunak, but he's been too flip floppy himself in the past, for me to truly relax.
You mean you haven't realised this is all a show yet?
@@northernthrifter8817 You're posting some cool stupidity there!
@@northernthrifter8817 It never truly will be a show for us, when we are expected to be on the front lines of a billionaires war for oil
@@mattevans4377 agreed doesn't matter who you vote for those guys don't make the decisions, they've sold their souls to much more powerful entities.
@@northernthrifter8817we know they’re under a lot of control
But none of us right now know where on the spectrum from heavily influenced to no free will the leading politicians are
Young people have not got the spine for national service anymore only tictok ideologies
Did you do national service or serve your country?
It's not about having a spine, it's about not wanting to lay down your life for a country that treats you like dirt. You're all so quick to throw around the insults and sneers while failing to understand that this is part of the problem. What pride are youngsters supposed to take in their home country?
@@aurielhurrell yes have you ?
@@mac7040You must be at least 83 then.
@@royboy565you’re really not smart 😂
The choice is to force Ukraine to the negotiating table, because any Government faced with what’s coming, is in for a troubled road.
Nobody takes Ruzi threats seriously.
What's coming? ScaryPutin?
You'd negotiate to give away Kent, Norfolk or Durham then, would you?
All Labour have to do is go hard against this national service policy and they will win a bucket load of new voters they wouldn't have got before.
America, the UK and Germany MUST make a choice - INTERNATIONAL LAW or PROFITS from WAR !
We're all doomed!!!
Don’t panic!
I have never voted Labour in my voting life but I am going to this time. The Tories have brought the country and the NHS to its knees. Austerity for the poor but they look after their rich friends be it corporates or individuals. Brexit was farcical and the economy is worse off as a result. Boris apparently wanted to stay in the EU but voted out because he saw it as a chance to become Prime Minister. The COVID and Grenfell disasters were totally mismanaged, plus the fact that the 40% tax bracket is frozen by the Tories until 2028 is scandalous. I would consider leaving this country if they are voted in for another term.
You think your taxes will go down under labour ? 😂
The NHS just isn't fit for today's offering. It was never made for obese people and people choosing type 2 diabetes, it was never made for £150k cancer treatments or treating babies born at 27 weeks with months in the NICU or giving new joints to 90 year olds.
@@Simon37423 Why wouldn't it be better? (I am just trying to understand your point)
You've clearly not lived under a labour government then 🤔
@@user-gk2nh2gm4w taxes will likely go up under labour. If you think immigration is bad now you wait till starmer gets into power they care more about rainbow flags than the standard of living for the British public
Conscription might not be a bad idea. Politicians would be less likely to vote for war if their sons were first to be sent to the frontline
In countries where conscription is a reality, the families of politicians aren’t being conscripted (usually)…
@@zuzannanowicka6348 That needs to change. No special privileges, and no exemptions. The sons of MPs should be required to enlist as privates, and not be fast tracked to officer training or given light duties
@@Nick-zp3ubThat's just not how things work. The rich and powerful will always have a loophole.
@@silver4831 Then close the loopholes. No politician's son should be strutting around with three pips on his shoulder while working class men are out patrolling the border, digging trenches and drilling in the square. Any potential officer should be required to serve as a private and work his way up to corporal or above before being selected for Sandhurst. Especially if he comes from a privileged background
Why is it that Starmer can't translate the courtroom bragadacio he uses to take down the Tories so well at PMQ's etc. to his media presence?? it's always so insipid.
From what I’ve seen he’s much more of a direct person. He does well face to face but in the media he doesn’t do as well as everything has to be convoluted to try and trick people into slipping up which he doesn’t really do but it doesn’t help.
@@TrafficConeGD He wearing spectacles now. Change of image should be just enough to convince anyone with doubts, he's serious about change.
Well it wasn't really a debate, just a school teacher telling the kids to answer when spoken to.
How disrespectful, all the service men that did national services likened to a BBC comedy about the home guard!
Exactly, it isn't an honorable or brave thing to go in for and shouldn't be celebrated.
@@VicePointGTAX-wd9izif your fored into it not really
But it’s fine for UK nations to join the IDF.
They are not forced to, that is voluntary.
No i volunteered
Those who fight for the IDF should forfeit their UK citizenship.
@@andymac7584And those who fight in the Ukraine war?
I’d prefer to dismiss Starmer
Then you can have Rishi. All of him.
@@DarkCreed I’ll pass on that one. Seems no one but his in-laws companies want him.
FLIP FLOP: Tory minister rejected the prospect of national service just two days before Rishi Sunak announced his party would introduce it for teenagers if they win the general election.
Responding to a written parliamentary question, defence minister Andrew Murrison said there were “no plans” to introduce the controversial policy.
The MP, who represents South West Wiltshire, added that it could damage morale if “potentially unwilling” recruits were forced to serve alongside armed forces personnel.
The Independent - Minister said there were ‘no plans’ for national service policy three days ago
Defence minister Andrew Murrison said national service could ‘damage morale’ if introduced
Holly Evans 26 May 2024
Just you wait as soon as he is voted in he will backtrack maybe a few weeks or a few months but it will happen
Dads army was a great analogy. A bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing and who shouldn’t even be serving. I’m about 16 and even after 10 years in the scouts, the boys brigade and the air cadets combinesd I would look like a walking toilet seat in the army
Tories are abhorrent but Starmer is just as bad, a real war dog, no doubt he has a more “efficient” way of gathering cannon fodder and cheap labour.
"but Starmer is just as bad"
No. Silly comment.
The spinneing round and round sounds like Kier Starmers political history.
If you look at the labour manifesto labour has been spinning around so far it’s no longer labour.
It’s time to send a clear message to these puppets of the rich and wealthy. We need representation in Parliament not what is currently on offer with the conservatives or labour
As the Labour manifesto has yet to be published I'm going to guess you'd say exactly the same thing no matter what it actually says.
National service won't happen. Young people will refuse to participate
It’s a pity “fear Karma” Is even an alternative.
We just want more teenage dads to father more babies in council houses.
As the Territorial Army is over manned all our teenagers will be only too pleased to join the new National Army and spend a year rounding up the recalcitrant youths who feel they have better things to do on weekends. As a means of getting us all to not think about the important issues facing us it is the old magicians trick . Who will turn up in a turban with a magician's wand shouting Abracadabra first 😂😂
This guy knows
Don't panic.
Yep, teenage parents, first thing that came to my mind.
I think he was on about a show called dad's army but with teenagers, not an army of teenage dads. But now you mention it that's definitely gonna happen
Teenage dads army he says mockingly. Maybe this man needs to go learn the age of the men who saved this world in WW2. You'd think it would be something the guy trying to be the leader of Britian would alread know
Your point being........?
..
He doesn't know anything other than he wants be PM. He doesn't even know why.
Can't help but notice we aren't at war
He's mocking the concept, not the teenagers. S'truth...
@@jacob2808 We are in a proxy war with Russia in case you hadn't noticed. What could possibly go wrong!
You know the situation is clear when the campaign slogan is simply 'change'. Stating the obvious with no need for any substance, positive or negative. Basically, it's saying "not those guys".
So not Tories? Got it.
We should be all PROTESTING RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Sunak plan in june: " force all disabled people to work for free for 16 hours a week or more or else jail time"
Working class yer sure you are ha ha ha ha ha 🤡
you're right, Rishi who just increased his personal wealth by almost £200,000,000 in the past 12 months is the working class option
No M P is working class but it's the policies that decide the direction of the country, not how much money M P s have. It goes without saying their wages are above average.
The unelectable bewildered Labour Party have spoken, no i will never vot Labour Party.
You'll never vote in the UK. Dennis?
That's OK, I don't think you have the level of literacy needed to put an 'X' in a box anyway
Lol in you faces ! .
@@emm_arr is that a fret
@@dennisjones203 "is that a fret"
Is what a fret?
expect a falseflag in London very soon
When are you doing it??
Like we expect your silly comments.
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar Not me mate, you have a government for that
As if the Tories needed to hand Labour more ammunition (No pun intended), here they are.
I've been suspecting forva while now, that from the things the Conservatives have done, it's like they want to lose at this point.
Why would they want to stay in power when there are parliamentary rules stopping all their MPs from fully cashing in on their schemes, if they arent MP anymore they can rake it in from their dodgy schemes without watchdogs a watching whilen takes new government years to try and undo the mess
Taxes or national service
What, that silly Grand Design?
uni party voters will be gifted with a brand new digital id tracking device when this tool gets in
"uni party"
^^spot the stupidity
@@emm_arr you have a lot to learn simpleton, you forgot over 1,000,000 Iraqis died because of this fabian nightmare of a party
@@williams4434 "you have a lot to learn simpleton, you forgot over 1,000,000 Iraqis died because of this fabian nightmare of a party"
When you learn howto write in sentences, then you can teach people.
@@emm_arr Why quote my full comment?that's a lack of Grammar in itself, attack the message not the grammar, Labour are the Genocide party, even Chruchill vaporized innocents in Dresden, you have no defence
Levelling up? Johnson pi55ed all over you on that.
What does it mean?
@@DarkCreed It means your English is really bad!
My son and daughter wont be joining the army
Well if Starmer is the best Labour can offer we're doomed.
I honestly don't get why some people dislike him so much. Not left wing enough, not right wing enough, a bit prone to keeping quiet and just getting on with stuff, a bit of a grey man.
Isn't that exactly what we need after the absolute disaster that the last decade of Tories has been?
There is a whole Labour party
@moreplease998 Absolutely spot on! And he's deceptive, his mild and honest approach largely contributes to Labours lead in the polls. Also, I see a tough cookie waiting quietly under the mildness. Besides, with Angela Rayner behind him, he's got all the dynamic driving force he'll ever need. Roll on the 4th of July!
True the unelectable bewildered Labour Party has no clue, not getting my vote! !
@@dennisjones203 If the Labour has no clue then what do we say about the Tories? Actively _trying_ to get it all wrong?
If you wonder why our country is really in the state it is, just read the comment section here.
No one wants to serve this country i did once ill never setve again 😊
Even the US say the UK has a 3rd rate army now 😂
Yes, Prime Minister! 😅
More & More Prime Ministerial
Please think about this we require National service this Country like in South Korea, it would be great for youngsters to have this experience , Confidence building, discipline, goals and aims.. Single parents who can't cope with there children, stopping youths walking streets in gang's and carrying knifes .. etc etc, Prevention is better than Cure! i support labour, however , they should think this one through.
BS etc etc
he might be able to find the money but whos going to run all this? the armys the smallest its ever been and theres bigger fish to fry "sorry lads i know you're busy training with NATO but we need you to come back and babysit" ridiculous
Send Kier to the front. The front line.
Just read books for you and yourself
What is the Labour Party going to do about the Russians ?
😂😂😂😂😂
Well maybe jobseekers should be made to do community service whilst out of work, applying for jobs and receiving money from government in the process… wont do any harm and will help the individual gain experience
How can you look for work if you are doing community service. Being unemployed means not in work..Of any kind.
What 🤣 labor honestly people do More of the same old stuff . I think its a brilliant idea what it brings to mindset and skill set of younger generation
Its worth a go, rather than just ploding on , with no new policies.
Shouldn't most of the young posters on here be doing something more physical? Like posting on slogans by on a bus.
You think the physical world is where this election is being fought? You must be as old as you sound.
@@VicePointGTAX-wd9iz Thinking about things doesn't help any one but yourself. Doing things is a different matter.
We should make all migrants granted citizenship do 2 years compulsory National Service. Let’s face it, most are fit and healthy young men. That way they get a job, rather than live off benefits, they’ll learn about our culture, history, way of life and what it means to be British. More importantly they’ll get the honour of being able to defend and serve their new country. They’ll also get to live in nice army barrack accommodation too!
I'm not a fan off sunak but I agree with him on national service there will be less crime less drug use and people who finally find a purpose in life.most of our special forces come from people who have found the right path in life
Jimmy's Savile & the Kray twins did there national service, & that didn't turn out to be a success
Most crime and drug taking, drug selling is done by people over 18.
You never did National Service, did you turn out the way you think young people you've never seen or met have?
Compulsory volunteering or jail
So people identifying as unicorn flavoured bunnies are not going to save us..........oh no..........
Bit like the unicorn brexiteers then?
As someone who identifies as a bunny I’m offended by that comment. 😂
Vote for Labour please. The only people making sense 😮
KS is just Barny Rubble that couldn't even govern Bedrock.
He's not been in power yet...
If anyone is Barny Rubble it's Boris Johnson, looks the part as well
@randomdaveUK so what does that make Sunak - a PM that can't organise an umbrella on a rainy day..?
@@mrD66M Sunak was Johnson's sidekick. Is that Fred?
@@randomdaveUK Dino 🤣
@@mrD66M 🤣🤣
Kier is talking about parties flip flopping and how the Tories have no plans when that's equally apt towards him
I think two days between a Tory government minister saying they have no plans for national service and it then becoming the first policy announcement of the Tory party in an election campaign sets something of a record for an "about face."
Stop making jokes
I want you to get this country in the right direction and come up with a sound economic plan Sir.
I'm sure he can do both. Lol
@royboy565 lol I hope.
So many jokers
We need
Batman
With 16 yo voter one assumes they can marry regardless, drink in pubs, gamble in casinos and betting shops. All age restrictions will be gone.
Thats the plan so that a 4 yr old is regarded as mature enough for consent!
If you can go to work and pay tax aged sixteen , then you should have a say where it's spent .
That is nonsensical fearmongering. The risk to your health for voting at 16 is not the same as being allowed to do those other things at 16, so you're comparing outcomes that aren't connected
DoPP argued that Asians pedos shoild not b prosicuted because it could cause public unrest. Sent letter of apology to JS enquirery for not having prosicute JS
labour only moan with no plan
Vote Reform, not labour and conservative, they both have no interest in you what so ever.
The ‘one comment’ Putin bot, paid for by Tice.
And you can tell that from the benevolent multi millionaires who bankroll Reform Ltd.
I'm not convinced that Starmer will be anything other than a big disappointment.
What are you convinced by?
I think he'll be a disaster. Vote independent or green, don't put a Thatcherite genocide supporter in.
He will be no doubt everyone knows that but are gonna vote for him anyway
@@peterspowage5752 maybe the fact that he will privatise the NHS? Maybe the fact that he thinks isfail should turn off drinking water for 2 million people - what kind of a monster does that?
@@OllytheOl Be honest; what can Starmer, a leader of an opposition party, do when the International Criminal Court is also snubbed by Israel? Israel doesn't give a hoot about anyone else, and thinking Starmer or Sunak can stop the genocide in Gaza is laughable. Starmer knows talking about it wont change anything so he doesn't let it take up his time.
Starmer lies! Sunak is a great leader and that’s what we wanted, what more do we want?! He has great ideas so Sunak take us to a new era of a multicultural society! He is a genius and will make the UK a better place for all! Give him time, means another term! Starmer is lying in his campaign!
I guess your comment was sarcasm, if not you need help.
@@royboy565 Why is my opinion needs help and you don’t? Double standards if you’re a Starmer fan! Have you forgotten about what Blair and Brown did to our country? Sold our Gold without telling us! Killed our soldiers in a pointless war, we lost our sons without telling us! You need help!
@@laurawalker6431 I haven't forgotten about it, I just simply do not care about it. I care much more about what this current Government is doing right now, as opposed to something that an entirely different generation of politicians (nearly all of which are now gone) did over 20 years ago.
@@laurawalker6431Truss's budget cost UK twice as much as loss on gold reserves and more tories voted for war in Iraq than Labour M P s. Only 3 tories voted against and over 50 Labour did. Try again.
have u been living in the uk recently??
A sausage casing filled with formless pink goo.
Snooooze fest
I agree with sunak when he says about those who turn 18 do like the year or whatever service in the army, because it will mean that the whole of britian will be ready for conflict if there ever will be one, and it will be easier to call upon the active members, and have a bigger non active but still ready personnel in waiting. (I forgot the word for non active personnel btw)
He should have a briefing on geopolitics before making speeches like this
Sunak and Starmer to be arrested and taken to the ICC
I don’t care what side you are on, this country is done for.
Ordinary worker, working class, NHS worker, whatever. Don’t bank on ANY politician doing anything for YOU.
But you never know, change this time might mean Labour politicians send their children to secondary schools rather than private. And better still, one with at least 50% ethnic pupils so they can get the best diverse education ever.
Waiting for the vote reform bots to come
In all honesty just vote lib dem for cannabis to be on the markets
Forget national service - it’s a non starter since Blair and the left decimated our forces and public services and our young people were never told “no” in schools
What WOULD be a very sensible idea would be to bring back junior service for 16 year olds - the Junior Leaders Regiments were absolutely superb and were a worthy replacement for sixth form and further education
The concept was wound down in the early 90s and was a huge loss
This is deluded. The younger generations are very consistently told no. No pay rises to meet inflation, no livable 40 hour weeks, no housing, no future.
Soon to be no free healthcare too. Give your head a shake.
They do it in Australia and it works brilliantly
National service ended in Australia in 1973. Clearly it's non-existence has worked brilliantly since then.
Kier it’s not only the NHS to focus on. To get the vote try and imitate Clement Attlee the best labour politician that ever was
Paid liars abound in this comment section.
Ruzzians are so keen on keeping Brexit in place!
You sound like an agent provocateur to me
@@clairee4939 "You sound like an agent provocateur to me"
Diddums.
SIR KEIR IS A LEGEND!
Conservatives are terrible, Labour is terrible, I don't want to waste my vote. I don't know who to vote for.
Whoever you consider least terrible.
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar Who are you going to vote for?
@@iikittyplayz841 Labour.
Labour
Please tell us what you are going to do to stop islamisation of UK
likely convert the whole country by force and change the flag to anything but the Union Jack . Labour are about as English as Egyptian mummies 😂