Very informative video. Been trying to piece together all this stuff myself. Also my first thought was also that their ranks were pretty similar to our ranks in the navy lol
Your Chemical Corps question of why they only went to the level of Sgt 1st class MIGHT be that US army only had Chemical units to Company size units, so check out the ORBAT for US formations deployed in WW1,sorry to appear to answer with Question, just a thought.
You've got a number of small technical errors, but overall, very good. The grades were, like later, mapped to the 7 enlisted pay grades... The expansion to 9 grades in 1958 moved several of the surviving overlapping titles up in the Army; the Navy, USCG, and USAF all added new grades rather than moving grade titles up. The army shook things up a bit. PFCs had either a rocker (alone or under a mark) or a bar under the specialty mark. Lance Corporals WERE authorized, but only in the Band. (Due to a bit of "regulation being overridden by legislation"...) They were, however, the PFC grade. Sgts had three stripes (without wreath) OR a specialty mark above a section of wreath; senior sergeants would have 3 stripes and a wreath OR a Star above the specialty mark and wreath below. You're missing several of those wreath and star SFC grade insignia. Generally, they were the senior NCOs in the (typically company or battalion) sized technical units. Plus, due to shortages, many that were supposed to be wreath and star were worn by taking the PFC or Private mark, and slapping it under 3 chevrons. 2 rockers or bars was Bn level, always. 3 was Regiment level. If no specialty mark, they're combat arms. Some company level sergeants had one rocker or bar added to the chevrons. (CoQMS) - Note that the use of "Quartermaster" differs from both modern Army use and modern Navy Use. The Coastal Artillery Corps had several tracks - Fireman (mechanic), Electrician (radio and sonar tech), Gunner (2nd Class was Pvt, 1st Class was PFC, Observers 2c/1c and loaders 2c/1c were also privates and PFCs; Engineers are NCOs, and ISTR the Gun Pointer, Gun Commander, Plotter, and Coxswain should be NCOs. Firemen were (as in the navy) Enlisted naval engineers - that is to say, the black gangs for the Costal Artillery. (They operated and maintained the engines. The specialty mark is a weighted regulator, used for maintaining a set RPM. See ruclips.net/video/Ayaf1x-sjT4/видео.html&ab_channel=ChipDipvideo. The NCO FIremen are the Engineer sgt and sr sgt grades. I would expect the Coxswain to be a senior sergeant grade, as well - the title is borrowed from the navy, for non-officer commander of a boat. I've seen a Mechanic Sergeant with wrench and wreath; I don't recall where, he was NCOIC of a motor pool detachment. The Motor Corps was using powered land vehicles; The Transport Corps was still largely horses, wagons and boats. Post WW I, specifically 1920, the Army decided it needed to simplify all the stripes. Specialty marks largely disappeared (tho' unauthorized wear was sometimes done). Some good references for you. Enjoy. (Judging from the gaps on your chart, you haven't seen the first two...) freepages.rootsweb.com/~gregkrenzelok/genealogy/veterinary%20corp%20in%20ww1/WW1%20Army%20Insignia%20Identification.html ncohistory.com/documents/1920Chevrons.pdf apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA497134.pdf fortconcho.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Military-Rank-for-19th-century-army.pdf (Note: the pay grade system was established during the US CW... Enlisted were 11-17 (11=SgM, 17=Pvt - the steps between varied by period). 7 pay grades remained the norm until the 1963 creation of the supergrades. Special Pay was provided for NCO Advisors [1Sgt, BnSgM, RgSM] and for various specialties. Note that in WWI, as now, there were multiple titles per pay grade. Unlike now, it was more than 2 per grade.)
With regard to the Coast Artillery, the Firemen were SHIP'S (or more specifically, Mine Planters) Firemen, and the Engineers were again SHIP's (or more specifically, Mine Planters) Engineers. Also, I would strongly suspect that most of those ranks (again, in the Coast Artillery) differentiated as to 2nd Class and 1st Class were all Privates, with the 2nd Class people ranking as simple Privates, and with the 1st Class people ranking as First Class Privates.
The majority of coast artillery firemen and engineers were assigned to CAC fortifications. You can read about the duties of CAC grades and rates in "Coast Artillery Drill Regulations" available on Google Books.
It does seem to have been between the Philippine American War and WWI. Army Regulations are supposed to have mandated the change in 1902 (see: howardlanham.tripod.com/chevrons/datingchevrons.html). The Marines already appear to have had point-up chevrons.
Very informative video. Been trying to piece together all this stuff myself. Also my first thought was also that their ranks were pretty similar to our ranks in the navy lol
Your Chemical Corps question of why they only went to the level of Sgt 1st class MIGHT be that US army only had Chemical units to Company size units, so check out the ORBAT for US formations deployed in WW1,sorry to appear to answer with Question, just a thought.
You've got a number of small technical errors, but overall, very good.
The grades were, like later, mapped to the 7 enlisted pay grades... The expansion to 9 grades in 1958 moved several of the surviving overlapping titles up in the Army; the Navy, USCG, and USAF all added new grades rather than moving grade titles up. The army shook things up a bit.
PFCs had either a rocker (alone or under a mark) or a bar under the specialty mark. Lance Corporals WERE authorized, but only in the Band. (Due to a bit of "regulation being overridden by legislation"...) They were, however, the PFC grade.
Sgts had three stripes (without wreath) OR a specialty mark above a section of wreath; senior sergeants would have 3 stripes and a wreath OR a Star above the specialty mark and wreath below. You're missing several of those wreath and star SFC grade insignia. Generally, they were the senior NCOs in the (typically company or battalion) sized technical units. Plus, due to shortages, many that were supposed to be wreath and star were worn by taking the PFC or Private mark, and slapping it under 3 chevrons.
2 rockers or bars was Bn level, always. 3 was Regiment level. If no specialty mark, they're combat arms. Some company level sergeants had one rocker or bar added to the chevrons. (CoQMS) - Note that the use of "Quartermaster" differs from both modern Army use and modern Navy Use.
The Coastal Artillery Corps had several tracks - Fireman (mechanic), Electrician (radio and sonar tech), Gunner (2nd Class was Pvt, 1st Class was PFC, Observers 2c/1c and loaders 2c/1c were also privates and PFCs; Engineers are NCOs, and ISTR the Gun Pointer, Gun Commander, Plotter, and Coxswain should be NCOs.
Firemen were (as in the navy) Enlisted naval engineers - that is to say, the black gangs for the Costal Artillery. (They operated and maintained the engines. The specialty mark is a weighted regulator, used for maintaining a set RPM. See ruclips.net/video/Ayaf1x-sjT4/видео.html&ab_channel=ChipDipvideo. The NCO FIremen are the Engineer sgt and sr sgt grades.
I would expect the Coxswain to be a senior sergeant grade, as well - the title is borrowed from the navy, for non-officer commander of a boat.
I've seen a Mechanic Sergeant with wrench and wreath; I don't recall where, he was NCOIC of a motor pool detachment.
The Motor Corps was using powered land vehicles; The Transport Corps was still largely horses, wagons and boats.
Post WW I, specifically 1920, the Army decided it needed to simplify all the stripes. Specialty marks largely disappeared (tho' unauthorized wear was sometimes done).
Some good references for you. Enjoy. (Judging from the gaps on your chart, you haven't seen the first two...)
freepages.rootsweb.com/~gregkrenzelok/genealogy/veterinary%20corp%20in%20ww1/WW1%20Army%20Insignia%20Identification.html
ncohistory.com/documents/1920Chevrons.pdf
apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA497134.pdf
fortconcho.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Military-Rank-for-19th-century-army.pdf (Note: the pay grade system was established during the US CW... Enlisted were 11-17 (11=SgM, 17=Pvt - the steps between varied by period). 7 pay grades remained the norm until the 1963 creation of the supergrades. Special Pay was provided for NCO Advisors [1Sgt, BnSgM, RgSM] and for various specialties. Note that in WWI, as now, there were multiple titles per pay grade. Unlike now, it was more than 2 per grade.)
So good
Cavalry battalions are also squadrons.
With regard to the Coast Artillery, the Firemen were SHIP'S (or more specifically, Mine Planters) Firemen, and the Engineers were again SHIP's (or more specifically, Mine Planters) Engineers. Also, I would strongly suspect that most of those ranks (again, in the Coast Artillery) differentiated as to 2nd Class and 1st Class were all Privates, with the 2nd Class people ranking as simple Privates, and with the 1st Class people ranking as First Class Privates.
The majority of coast artillery firemen and engineers were assigned to CAC fortifications. You can read about the duties of CAC grades and rates in "Coast Artillery Drill Regulations" available on Google Books.
Do you have a link to the images of those rank insignia?
Not directly related to this, but when did the chevrons go from point-down to point-up?
After the Indian Wars period. Basically right before WWI.
It does seem to have been between the Philippine American War and WWI. Army Regulations are supposed to have mandated the change in 1902 (see: howardlanham.tripod.com/chevrons/datingchevrons.html). The Marines already appear to have had point-up chevrons.
@@Englishkin Actually, as far as I am aware, the Marines always wore point-up chevrons.
Make ww1 navy ranks
I'm working on Navy rates from 1890s ish to today. Ratings will take a lot of research and photoshop. But that too is a long range goal.
@@CadetRob thanks
The Air Corps insignia, with the wing and prop, where those offical?
Hard to know during WWI era - there were so many non-official as well as changes to official insignia.
I can see why the simplified this