@@user-yf8oy7oz4l To be fair they tried to make that fight several times and both pulled out for various reasons. That was just unlucky. This fight isn't even trying to be made.
I have been studying ksi Vs Jake since 2018. After 6 years of collected interviews, data , charts I have came to conclusion: without a doubt Jake is ducking the one and only Nightmare K.S.I
Tell KSI to stop running then. Dude tried the, "I beat the guy who beat you so I am better" approach to avoid the fight, failed, cried about it, and now wants to take ANOTHER break to avoid fighting hahaha.
Jake is a bum. The Tommy fight certainly didn’t prove Jake is better and KSI jumps around like a kid a trampoline park. Jake wants to A-side KSI hard bc his “real fighter” joke is over if he loses, KSI doesn’t wanna make concessions bc he doesn’t wanna lose
I appreciate what Misfits is trying to do by creating a platform for influencers but the fact is, all their non-KSI shows do trash viewership figures because as Influencers start to learn Boxing, the more boring their fights get. They just become boring amateurs and don't get me started on 90% of them stopping all Social Media / content Creation once they think they're Boxers. I think the Jake Paul bullshit will continue because Jake's distanced himself from it all, but the Misfits / similar shows will die if we go another year without Jake vs KSI.
It’s because they have wack events, like random people know one heard of, if they did deji vs slim or against gib, that would do massive numbers, it’s because they choose lame fighters
@@Mr.Vagabond It is bullshit, not saying he's not smart for doing it - he distanced himself from the circus so he could fight ex-fighters / bigger names and make bigger bags - it's good business, doesn't mean it's not bullshit.
@@Joelucas210 I would say they don’t want to rush the big fights however as more time goes by the numbers will drop for these so called big fights. But I do reckon they need a couple of filler events with known names this year if they want it to last if we don’t get ksi Jake this year
The problem with the Crossover scene, is that everyone (the big players at least) already have money, fame, and influence before coming to the scene. So there's really no motivation to push themselves to the top, take every fight they can possibly get etc. Most of the guys in the UFC or traditional boxing start out completely broke, fighting to put food on the table and that helps fuel them to the top. Whereas alot of these guys just say "Yknow what, I don't really need this anyways I've already got my thing going on". I think that's also a big reason why the main fights we want to see never happen, because why risk your reputation and record when you don't need to
@@Bloodclatburner I think eventually what Mams will do is bring in ex UFC & MMA stars in a bid to raise the profile of misfits but that comes with the risk of, it will be like another AT situation, the current stars will basically be killed off if they get matched up against them
One of my favourite things to have happened in this scene was Jay Swingler quitting because he started making videos again which is so much more entertaining than being an amateur boxer
I think that's one of the things misfits needs to invest in, content creation for fighters, especially their current stars and upcoming talent/fan favourites. Not just fight week vids but content leading up to fights and in between events. Especially when the fan favourites are not fighting, working with them to create content is key to keep the fans engaged. I think the current model misfits use is only really effective on the cards which have the tag team/survivor tag and gimmick fights. Like u know on 008 in July wen they had the survivor tag, they did the misfits manor series, that went really well with the fans, content like that on a regular basis would do great I reckon.
@@username2828 Even then, I think that when it comes to the people who were big before boxing, people like Jay, Deji, Gib, KSI etc.. they're 9/10 times much more entertaining in anything other than boxing. So it's not even that I want them to be doing videos to promo their boxing, I'd just rather see them do actual RUclips and just let this boxing phase die since it just makes people boring at best and unlikeable at worst
Jake won’t take the fight wo big A side privileges. His “real fighter” Larp is over if he loses to a guy doing star jumps and acting a fool in the ring. Jake is a bum
@@joshsanmiguel192There's literally no chance, like even 10% of a chance of that happening. Only way KSI leaves that ring IF he gets the balls to fight Jake would be on a stretcher straight to the hospital. That's an inevitable outcome.
i agree. i think he realises that jake is going to keep getting better. its a waste of time to chase this fight if its hard to agree on terms. it won't happen because he can't chase a man down for a fight forever. jake will keep fighting mma guys but remember he has 5years experience he could fight better oppenents.
@@revowow because gib didn’t promote cause he didn’t give a shit about mcbroom he just wanted to beat him as he was robbed before the appeal vs Taylor holder imo gib is one of the goats of influencer boxing if you get rid of the main fighters (ksi & jake) imagine a gun vs slim or gib vs AT that would sell tf out
@@bradley_jordz I feel if Gib gets a saudi fight next and it does well and he has a good performance, the people who critique him will be back on his side lol. All it takes is one good performance and good numbers to sway the community imo. I think that's what they are trying to do, if u watch recent interviews Gib's manager has had with Fred (cannot remember wen the last one was lol), all they talk about is waiting for the next opportunity, creating storylines etc etc. I am pretty sure they are done with Kingpyn and if u recall, prior to Kingpyn announcement early last year, Gib was in talks to fight on the Jake v Tommy card in Saudi but it fell through, so I reckon this year another opportunity will come his way, he just working in silence as usual
Thinks he’s bigger than he is though, one of the better influencers boxers for sure but nobody really cares when it comes to viewers so why should he demand millions?
I don't think it's about the hubs. It's more about the beefs. It's way too friendly between fighters so no-one really cares. If every fight was more hostile like Slim vs Ryan Taylor then people would be a lot more interested.
The misfits scene is largely built around the social media/entertainment aspect cuz that drives the attention and numbers which is why they say misfits is it’s own product within the space. It’s all about the storylines and drama which drive the fights imo, people can call it a circus and complain about it fake and being a joke with no authenticity but they market has changed since 2018 and meeting the market standards is key
I feel like JJ was the best version of himself when he has around Viddal and Leon. Now it seems that the wrong people are in his life and you can see that in his behaviour recently
How MisFits thrives or should have been built to thrive is to do stacked PPV cards without KSI, like if he wasn't on the Prime card. I know they were probably shook the numbers won't bang without him, but if he's a talisman for success, failure is imminent without him, especially if he's serious about his retirement. They should have started doing stacked cards while he was still active, so he's not completely divorced from the fight game. Now it's gonna be kinda like McGregor turning up to UFC cards. He has 0 effect on anything because you know he ain't fighting anyone. Slim on 2 weeks notice slept Temper. Ed on a few days notice slept Swarmz. Obviously training camps are vital for being at your peak, but if you're already in decent shape, there's no reason why man can't pop out for a heavy spar.
That doesn't make any sense. Influencer boxing is already pretty much dead. We need final nail to send it off and that nail is ksi Vs Jake but ksi still can't grow a pair and get his big boy pants up
@@puglife8686 except he did and ksi made excuse that he's not big draw blah blah, I need a break. Just the usual excuses to wiggle his way out without looking like a duck to his deluded fanbase
Maams Taylor don’t want it to happen. He’s so protective over JJ and don’t want anything to happen to him. He loses to Tommy no big deal because he’s a pro and he’s already beat Jake but if he loses to Jake that’s devastating to misfits company
I was like 17-18 when the trash talk between Jake and KSI started. I’m on my way to 24 now. That fight is wraps. I don’t think either of them actually want it, cause if they did they’d make sacrifices to make it happen. They’ll fight anyone else in the world except for each other.
@@imdaking9448when you have someone hugging more than boxing and also having a grown man spreading wide in the middle of the ring. It's a mockery, Stan.
@@michaelogbuabiaboth of the main event fights were lame af. I was even considering to pay for it but im great full that i didn't. Its either JJ vs Jake or there is no point to watch these goofballs
The only one who could be the hub, carry misfits and the crossover boxing scene is Deji. And to be honest I think KSI knows it. He's the only brother left out of the four brothers that blew this up. He's got the reputation, natural talent and direct tie to KSI as his brother. The only problem is that he doesn't train seriously and consistently. But when took down Fousey, that fight blew up more than KSI's two fights. So I think Deji could be the future of misfits is he wanted to be and took it seriously. Even KSI bet him 1 million on sidecast to get a six pack this year because he wants to push him to train harder. Deji is the rightful king of misfits after his bro, question is does he have what it takes to claim it?
Deji isn't a hub. On paper he is but in reality he isnt. The fousey fight blew up because Deji had lost every single fight he had had in the past 5 years. Now he's beaten fousey and swarmz. No one really cares what he does next
agreed plus outside of youtube and boxing, is he doing anything? working with any brands etc? what does he bring other than his current audience and ksi audience? tbh tho majority of ksi audience also watch deji so ksi could push the numbers on deji's behalf lol if he does become the face of misfits once ksi steps aside@@ElPatrondel
12:25 this is very true, I can appreciate that you have to actually care about boxing to some extent to see your favourite RUclips or twitch streamer fight. Unless you're super loyal to your guy. I love this type of content because on some level the guys that are making things happen in the scene / have a proper voice are having a genuine conversation expressing their thoughts
I’d say the best way to describe it, is that Jake vs KSI is a Superfight within the scene. Whenever people think of a superfight, it is gonna be their names that are thrown in first which likely means until it is done, it will be hard to think of the next big thing creatively 😅 Once done however, some people do believe the scene can be close to finishing although it can also spark a lot more interest when people can start taking the spotlight, while letting Jake do his career and KSI enjoy himself Would be awesome if it gets done though but we shall see 👀
ngl u put it perfectly there, now thinking of it, it has to happen this year if they want someone else to take the spotlight after ksi imo. The rest of the guys in the scene (slim, kenny, gib, deji. salt, deen etc) dk if they will have their big fight this year and fans may lose interest in them so if KSI jake happens this year, ksi moves on from misfits and it sets the path for the next potential star who will already have the attention around them. I think it will be Deen if he is active this year cuz of his character, it could be Deji if he is active and promotes. People are saying Slim but idk, unless he brings in sponsorships and brand deals, I doubt it plus in his division what other attention grabbing fights are there other than a potential salt rematch?
Imo Gib can be huge and the 'hub' hes the most entertaining in the crossover scene and a great fighter, he just needs to upload on youtube a lot more and be acvtive on social media
I THINK SLIM CAN BE THE FACE OF INFLUENCER BOXING , AFTER THE PAPI FIGHT HE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY MANY RENOWNED CELEBRITIES TO NAME A FEW , SEAN O'MALLEY , EDDIE HEARN , GEORGE SHANKO , KAI CENAT , DDG , KEVIN DURANT AND SO MANY
The sad truth you guys are choosing to ignore is the clear fact that ksi does NOT want to do the fight. It’s clear as day. He’s ducked it for what, 5 years now? It’s very clear who wants it and who doesn’t. Jake is too good for ksi and ksi knows that.
Overall from all the talks that have been had, it’s right to say KSI ducked the most, however, before the Jake tommy loss, the fight was essentially ready to be announced (catch is only if Jake had won) the date was agreed on, weight agreed on, venue was even booked, they even had the card nearly ready with a mvp x misfits collaboration. And when Jake lost to Tommy, Jake literally said “nah don’t wanna do it I wanna fight Diaz”
21:58 I dont know if this has beem answered later on in the video because im commenting as im watching but my question is are the 'hubs' of the sport created by the promoters or does the sport wait for a hub to come into the scene for the sport to thrive. Ofc its the responsibility for the 'hub' to continue doing well and pushing their brand too but is there way for the promoters to build and nurture these 'hubs' in order to keep the scene strong?
Ksi vs jake paul should happen asap because yes we got some good card throughout the year but the excitement too build up for ksi vs jake will be on the same level as mayweather vs pacquio. But i got a feeling after ksi vs jake no ones gonna watch influencer boxing the same and the question will be what the next big fight. And i got a feeling that no one will watch salt papi, slim, deji etc the same way unless they elevate quite big. I thinl if ksi beats jake both will retired. And if jake wins then there maybe some hype in the scence as it will give jake motivation to carry on.
agreed, that's why I think this year mams needs to focus on building and elevating the next potential stars beyond ksi (slim, salt, deen, deji etc) and push for KSI Jake this year and if that cannot happen then at least they can go into 2025 with a set of potential stars if they spend this year really building their brand, presence etc, branch them out to work with other brands, get sponsorships etc.
@@username2828 100% and he needs to start by putting these potentials star as their own main event like we cant have deen and salt on ksi undercard all the time cause people will only watch ksi but by slim salt etc headline their own card will be a right step foward
Talking about the first topic of the video i think JJ should have fought Slim when Dillon "ducked" the fight instead of Temperr.. It would have been a more credible win and i do think Slim has done so much for Misfits he deserves a Main Event fight.. and coming from a Devastating knockout against Temperr and on short notice, but NOW the fight makes no sense like Viddal said , if JJ goal is to fight and beat Jake he cant be fighting Slim on his Return fight and Jake will only go up in opposition and Jj coming from Tommy to Slim will be a huge downgrade so the fight makes no sense now..
yeh now it don't make sense, back then it did for the misfits scene but if we talking ksi vs Jake, then a slim fight should not be in the picture. But I do think Mams should focus on building slim more and giving him some good opportunities this year, he is a fan favourtie within the misfits scene, held the LHW and now MW belt so can use that as a storyline along with his wins etc but who is there in that division that is a good opponent and will hook the fans?
If only 1 fight can keep influencer boxing alive, then it's already dead. A whole "sport" (even tho Misfits is a clown show) can't rely on 2 people that aren't even that good but sell the most. Influencer Boxing has had it's day. Jake Paul knows that, hence his career change into professional boxing.
yeh agreed, I say by end of next year it's over unless some miracle happens and the numbers keep growing. Reason why it's stagnating the way it is, is because roster has not grown the way they anticipated and the quality of talent is just not it. They act like they only select based on set criteria but you can tell they don't care about quality and just quantity imo. Apart from the fan favourites (ksi, deji, slim, deen, kenny, salt, and potentially AT) what stars do they have? They ain't built up the talent in the right way imo and they are paying the price, if they think of a good strategy for this year they could be back on track but with the way things are going unless they branch out to crossover fighters/mma fighters fighting on the shows I don't see them lasting till the end of next year
As of now there isn’t a Hub or atleast a permanent one, but Hubs are created through growth like salt papi got attention bit by bit and if he continued dominating then he would of been a Hub, as for high viewerships there will be people to follow those shoes if they decide to step into the boxing scene people like speed, kai etc they came out of nowhere and grew extremely quick and there will be more as each year goes by more people are found
Jake Paul and KSI does need to happen I agree how ever I feel it would make sense that Slim fights him. Slim has won all hes fights and has the most heart out of all influence boxers IMO. I would defo wanna watch that and im sure so would other people
ksi should just agree to box jake, what does he have to lose? his alpha personality??! dude, this is boxing!! as long as you don't get knocked out and you made it to the end without being dominated all fight long, then his alpha thing isn't really harmed. remember boxing is technical and it isn't really fighting, it's like an art, who has more skill. you can be the alpha guy of the two boxers but get beat up by the more skilled one i don't think the fight hurt jj's image if he loses a decision to jake jake is the one who has a lot to lose as he made boxing his main thing
KSI vs Jake at 183 with a 10lb rehydration clause is fair. Slim should never fight KSI😂 cause if Slim gets hit? It’s over. He got rocked by Salt Papi at like 165 right?
183 with rehydration is a bit KSI-biased. Make it 185+ with rehydration or 183 with no rehydration. Must not happen under PBA though. Would allow KSI to excessively clinch himself to a victory. A fight of this magnitude should be a proper pro fight, nothing less.
It is true, but Manns is trying very hard to create the hub, but as soon as they announced it, you just have a Wade beef, happy punch drama and they don't fight but Wade imposes himself very hard because he is not in the Misfit scene and wants to be, just watch the tweeter space and his strategy by killing the scene bit by bit
@@gallistik6956sounds like you know nothing on this situation tho. Wade has not bad blood with misfits or mams even ksi for that matter. He is giving praises where deserved and so does he give critics where deserved
@@eachypinky118 like I said I couldn't care less, this situation has made the public (same as MAGA and it is not politic). The boxing world copied the format and they are doing good business in Saudi and influencer boxing cannot even claim the benefit
To answer the question of who to put on the cover of a crossover boxing game, i think it's undoubtedly Deen the Great. Dude could easily score well in every metric other than defense. He punches hard, his timing and speed are amazing, his IQ is thru the roof, but his one area that is lacking is defense. Walid hit him with a hard left in the beginning of their fight, but Deen had the iq to get out of there in the moment and the toughness to continue to fire back. Let's see Deen on Rillest Rivals against someone like Tank or Ryan Garcia
16:33 hub gawn,😅 i love how this guy drops the American accent when he makes a big point. And from past comments im not mocking his speech, i have a speech impediment so im not taking this piss im just makimg an observation ❤
Ksi vs jake Paul won’t happen even Ksi said ye won’t fight jake, a won a £70 bet on that, I know the fight wouldn’t happen and I knew it would be Ksi’s decision not to fight
I’ve said that ksi could do a Jake Paul and rise up the ranks to become a pro boxer, Image Jake v KSI, 10 or 12 rnds, for a real title, even if it’s a secondary title, for a ksi jake fight it would be like a wbc/ring title like a wbo oriental, wbc silver, wba international, etc
"This needs to happen more than Mayweather Pacquiao or Crawford Spence" - Viddal u have a lot of good points...but this one is the dumbest by far! The compassion is horrible.
My cover if there’s no Jake or JJ is no one the scene is dead after that until one of these guys like Speed Kai Adin have a scandal like Logan did and decide it’s time to box
Salt papi just like deen gained a lot of fame through crossover boxing I already knew of deen years ago like i did lil cracra, but not if salt papi until he fought halal ham
Speed vs kai would be very well watched but everyone knows they are kl with each other but they woukd gave to gave some scripted beef otherwise crossover boxing without jj will regress especially when pro boxing pressers are more entertaining then so called influencers press conferences
If this fight never happens its the biggest disappointment I can think of
Life of a boxing fan. The big fight never happens
@@gregoryboatswain1605or they happen 20 years too late. Maybe ksi vs Jake in 2044 in a pointless exhibition? 😂
Khabib vs tony Ferguson?
@@user-yf8oy7oz4l To be fair they tried to make that fight several times and both pulled out for various reasons. That was just unlucky.
This fight isn't even trying to be made.
I have been studying ksi Vs Jake since 2018. After 6 years of collected interviews, data , charts I have came to conclusion: without a doubt Jake is ducking the one and only Nightmare K.S.I
Tell KSI to stop running then. Dude tried the, "I beat the guy who beat you so I am better" approach to avoid the fight, failed, cried about it, and now wants to take ANOTHER break to avoid fighting hahaha.
Facts
Jake is a bum. The Tommy fight certainly didn’t prove Jake is better and KSI jumps around like a kid a trampoline park. Jake wants to A-side KSI hard bc his “real fighter” joke is over if he loses, KSI doesn’t wanna make concessions bc he doesn’t wanna lose
@@lolcow6668slim is too slow for Ksi ksi has speed defense for slim if he pulls up on him
I appreciate what Misfits is trying to do by creating a platform for influencers but the fact is, all their non-KSI shows do trash viewership figures because as Influencers start to learn Boxing, the more boring their fights get. They just become boring amateurs and don't get me started on 90% of them stopping all Social Media / content Creation once they think they're Boxers.
I think the Jake Paul bullshit will continue because Jake's distanced himself from it all, but the Misfits / similar shows will die if we go another year without Jake vs KSI.
It’s because they have wack events, like random people know one heard of, if they did deji vs slim or against gib, that would do massive numbers, it’s because they choose lame fighters
big man ting styll 🔥🔥🔥
“Jake paul bullshit” are you good? 💀💀💀
@@Mr.Vagabond It is bullshit, not saying he's not smart for doing it - he distanced himself from the circus so he could fight ex-fighters / bigger names and make bigger bags - it's good business, doesn't mean it's not bullshit.
@@Joelucas210 I would say they don’t want to rush the big fights however as more time goes by the numbers will drop for these so called big fights.
But I do reckon they need a couple of filler events with known names this year if they want it to last if we don’t get ksi Jake this year
The problem with the Crossover scene, is that everyone (the big players at least) already have money, fame, and influence before coming to the scene. So there's really no motivation to push themselves to the top, take every fight they can possibly get etc. Most of the guys in the UFC or traditional boxing start out completely broke, fighting to put food on the table and that helps fuel them to the top. Whereas alot of these guys just say "Yknow what, I don't really need this anyways I've already got my thing going on". I think that's also a big reason why the main fights we want to see never happen, because why risk your reputation and record when you don't need to
and if they do take it seriously, it just become amateur boxing with no names to people who arent apart of their specific fan base
@@Bloodclatburner I think eventually what Mams will do is bring in ex UFC & MMA stars in a bid to raise the profile of misfits but that comes with the risk of, it will be like another AT situation, the current stars will basically be killed off if they get matched up against them
One of my favourite things to have happened in this scene was Jay Swingler quitting because he started making videos again which is so much more entertaining than being an amateur boxer
I think that's one of the things misfits needs to invest in, content creation for fighters, especially their current stars and upcoming talent/fan favourites. Not just fight week vids but content leading up to fights and in between events. Especially when the fan favourites are not fighting, working with them to create content is key to keep the fans engaged.
I think the current model misfits use is only really effective on the cards which have the tag team/survivor tag and gimmick fights. Like u know on 008 in July wen they had the survivor tag, they did the misfits manor series, that went really well with the fans, content like that on a regular basis would do great I reckon.
@@username2828 Even then, I think that when it comes to the people who were big before boxing, people like Jay, Deji, Gib, KSI etc.. they're 9/10 times much more entertaining in anything other than boxing. So it's not even that I want them to be doing videos to promo their boxing, I'd just rather see them do actual RUclips and just let this boxing phase die since it just makes people boring at best and unlikeable at worst
Ksi ego couldn’t take a loss to Jake Paul seen how jj reacted to a loss to Tommy imagine Jake beats him I don’t think Ksi wants to take that risk
Jake won’t take the fight wo big A side privileges. His “real fighter” Larp is over if he loses to a guy doing star jumps and acting a fool in the ring. Jake is a bum
@@joshsanmiguel192There's literally no chance, like even 10% of a chance of that happening. Only way KSI leaves that ring IF he gets the balls to fight Jake would be on a stretcher straight to the hospital. That's an inevitable outcome.
well if jake beats him fair and square then he won’t react like that but if it’s a robbery then he will
i agree. i think he realises that jake is going to keep getting better. its a waste of time to chase this fight if its hard to agree on terms. it won't happen because he can't chase a man down for a fight forever. jake will keep fighting mma guys but remember he has 5years experience he could fight better oppenents.
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3:18 whether it is lamb biryani or goat meat, he finishes his dinner 😂😂😂
These guys need their own comedy show.
The way anesongib wasn’t mentioned once in this hurts cause he could’ve been THE HUB if he didn’t retire
Still wanna play up his "retirement"
@@klsecond5755wdym I think he actually did retire
@@revowow because gib didn’t promote cause he didn’t give a shit about mcbroom he just wanted to beat him as he was robbed before the appeal vs Taylor holder imo gib is one of the goats of influencer boxing if you get rid of the main fighters (ksi & jake) imagine a gun vs slim or gib vs AT that would sell tf out
@@bradley_jordz doesn't matter . he didnt sell thats all that matters in business. can't be a hub if he can't sell a big fight.
@@bradley_jordz I feel if Gib gets a saudi fight next and it does well and he has a good performance, the people who critique him will be back on his side lol. All it takes is one good performance and good numbers to sway the community imo.
I think that's what they are trying to do, if u watch recent interviews Gib's manager has had with Fred (cannot remember wen the last one was lol), all they talk about is waiting for the next opportunity, creating storylines etc etc.
I am pretty sure they are done with Kingpyn and if u recall, prior to Kingpyn announcement early last year, Gib was in talks to fight on the Jake v Tommy card in Saudi but it fell through, so I reckon this year another opportunity will come his way, he just working in silence as usual
I’d still like to see Gib come back to the scene
Thinks he’s bigger than he is though, one of the better influencers boxers for sure but nobody really cares when it comes to viewers so why should he demand millions?
@@frankieeefinn8798ong, and he brings no audience either
Ksi should knock him out
to fight who? slim or salt or kenny?
He got no reason to
I don't think it's about the hubs. It's more about the beefs. It's way too friendly between fighters so no-one really cares. If every fight was more hostile like Slim vs Ryan Taylor then people would be a lot more interested.
The misfits scene is largely built around the social media/entertainment aspect cuz that drives the attention and numbers which is why they say misfits is it’s own product within the space.
It’s all about the storylines and drama which drive the fights imo, people can call it a circus and complain about it fake and being a joke with no authenticity but they market has changed since 2018 and meeting the market standards is key
I feel like JJ was the best version of himself when he has around Viddal and Leon. Now it seems that the wrong people are in his life and you can see that in his behaviour recently
thats not a fact thats your opinion..
@@officialdownload4that is a fact and you can only pretend to not see it
@@eachypinky118 how can it be a fact if he’s only lost to Tommy Fury( controversial), you guys just say anything without any actual reason.
@@officialdownload4 it's about overall behaviour not about reaction to the loss 🤦
@@officialdownload4 show me where I said it’s a fact?
How MisFits thrives or should have been built to thrive is to do stacked PPV cards without KSI, like if he wasn't on the Prime card. I know they were probably shook the numbers won't bang without him, but if he's a talisman for success, failure is imminent without him, especially if he's serious about his retirement. They should have started doing stacked cards while he was still active, so he's not completely divorced from the fight game. Now it's gonna be kinda like McGregor turning up to UFC cards. He has 0 effect on anything because you know he ain't fighting anyone. Slim on 2 weeks notice slept Temper. Ed on a few days notice slept Swarmz. Obviously training camps are vital for being at your peak, but if you're already in decent shape, there's no reason why man can't pop out for a heavy spar.
Great video 💯
if influencer boxing dies without the JJ vs Jake fight, then it doesn't deserve that fight.
That doesn't make any sense. Influencer boxing is already pretty much dead. We need final nail to send it off and that nail is ksi Vs Jake but ksi still can't grow a pair and get his big boy pants up
@@eachypinky118you acting like Jake already agreed to terms 😂 both Jake and jj can’t compromise. Equally their faults
@@puglife8686 except he did and ksi made excuse that he's not big draw blah blah, I need a break. Just the usual excuses to wiggle his way out without looking like a duck to his deluded fanbase
Maams Taylor don’t want it to happen. He’s so protective over JJ and don’t want anything to happen to him. He loses to Tommy no big deal because he’s a pro and he’s already beat Jake but if he loses to Jake that’s devastating to misfits company
Big up rill and wills crazy work rate in n out the ring ❤️👊🏼
I was like 17-18 when the trash talk between Jake and KSI started. I’m on my way to 24 now. That fight is wraps. I don’t think either of them actually want it, cause if they did they’d make sacrifices to make it happen. They’ll fight anyone else in the world except for each other.
Influencer boxing died after the prime card. Logan vs Danis and KSI vs Fury made me not want to watch again. Such a mockery to the sport.
Bro stop💀 "mockery to the sport" what are you 80?
"Mockery to the sport" yet you sat down like a btch and watched the whole entire event like a fan 😂😂😂😂💀
@@imdaking9448when you have someone hugging more than boxing and also having a grown man spreading wide in the middle of the ring. It's a mockery, Stan.
@@PMraz-ev5gg Tbh I'm not going to lie your not wrong Danis vs Logan was awful to watch all that promotion for complete shit show 😂😂
@@michaelogbuabiaboth of the main event fights were lame af. I was even considering to pay for it but im great full that i didn't. Its either JJ vs Jake or there is no point to watch these goofballs
The consistency!
The only one who could be the hub, carry misfits and the crossover boxing scene is Deji. And to be honest I think KSI knows it. He's the only brother left out of the four brothers that blew this up. He's got the reputation, natural talent and direct tie to KSI as his brother. The only problem is that he doesn't train seriously and consistently. But when took down Fousey, that fight blew up more than KSI's two fights. So I think Deji could be the future of misfits is he wanted to be and took it seriously. Even KSI bet him 1 million on sidecast to get a six pack this year because he wants to push him to train harder. Deji is the rightful king of misfits after his bro, question is does he have what it takes to claim it?
he has what it takes, he just doesn't want it or need it. why should he risk himslef to build ksi's company when he himself is not building it
Deji isn't a hub. On paper he is but in reality he isnt. The fousey fight blew up because Deji had lost every single fight he had had in the past 5 years. Now he's beaten fousey and swarmz. No one really cares what he does next
@@ElPatrondel Worded perfectly
@@ElPatrondeli disagree
agreed plus outside of youtube and boxing, is he doing anything? working with any brands etc? what does he bring other than his current audience and ksi audience? tbh tho majority of ksi audience also watch deji so ksi could push the numbers on deji's behalf lol if he does become the face of misfits once ksi steps aside@@ElPatrondel
One of your best vids I'm ngl. Viddal was speaking faaaaaaaaaax. Salt would be my pick for the cover but like you said, bro needs to rack up them Ws
What’s killing boxing is this undefeated thing and fear of losing they need to make boxing like ufc where everyone can work to fight everyone
12:25 this is very true, I can appreciate that you have to actually care about boxing to some extent to see your favourite RUclips or twitch streamer fight. Unless you're super loyal to your guy. I love this type of content because on some level the guys that are making things happen in the scene / have a proper voice are having a genuine conversation expressing their thoughts
Completely unrelated but UFC does still do Fight Night guys lol. There's actually one either this weekend or next.
Praise God 🙌🏽
If it isnt Jake Paul or KSI at the Front Cover. It will probably be me.
That picture with wilder and when leon said look what he did to wilder sent me rollinnnnnnnnnnn 😂😂😂😂
If Kai n speed fight its going be sold out frfr
I’d say the best way to describe it, is that Jake vs KSI is a Superfight within the scene. Whenever people think of a superfight, it is gonna be their names that are thrown in first which likely means until it is done, it will be hard to think of the next big thing creatively 😅 Once done however, some people do believe the scene can be close to finishing although it can also spark a lot more interest when people can start taking the spotlight, while letting Jake do his career and KSI enjoy himself
Would be awesome if it gets done though but we shall see 👀
ngl u put it perfectly there, now thinking of it, it has to happen this year if they want someone else to take the spotlight after ksi imo. The rest of the guys in the scene (slim, kenny, gib, deji. salt, deen etc) dk if they will have their big fight this year and fans may lose interest in them so if KSI jake happens this year, ksi moves on from misfits and it sets the path for the next potential star who will already have the attention around them.
I think it will be Deen if he is active this year cuz of his character, it could be Deji if he is active and promotes.
People are saying Slim but idk, unless he brings in sponsorships and brand deals, I doubt it plus in his division what other attention grabbing fights are there other than a potential salt rematch?
if they never fight it's on KSI at this point
JJ got inside Tommy’s 80 inch reach, he will get inside Slim’s. And it will be game over because Slim is not taking it for very long.
SLIM IS GETTING THE RESPECT HE DESERVES , RIL X WILS ARE THE REAL ONES
Imo Gib can be huge and the 'hub' hes the most entertaining in the crossover scene and a great fighter, he just needs to upload on youtube a lot more and be acvtive on social media
Gib isn't a big draw he literally made nearly the whole crowd dissappear when he fought mcbroom
@@elishawilliams2480 like I said if he was active on social media and RUclips it would make a difference
I THINK SLIM CAN BE THE FACE OF INFLUENCER BOXING , AFTER THE PAPI FIGHT HE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY MANY RENOWNED CELEBRITIES TO NAME A FEW , SEAN O'MALLEY , EDDIE HEARN , GEORGE SHANKO , KAI CENAT , DDG , KEVIN DURANT AND SO MANY
Gib would be but he ain’t fighting
UFC does still do fight nights lol. They do them in the breaks of ppvs non title fights are on fight night
amount of times these lads said hub i would’ve been a million air if i got a penny for it
A slim and papi face off would be a lit crossover boxing game cover, or slim and deen since they are the current top guys in the scene
The sad truth you guys are choosing to ignore is the clear fact that ksi does NOT want to do the fight. It’s clear as day. He’s ducked it for what, 5 years now? It’s very clear who wants it and who doesn’t. Jake is too good for ksi and ksi knows that.
You must be new to the scene 😂
@@zariffrost53 🤡
@@zariffrost53Hassem is right
@@rogerhof2495 how?
Overall from all the talks that have been had, it’s right to say KSI ducked the most, however, before the Jake tommy loss, the fight was essentially ready to be announced (catch is only if Jake had won) the date was agreed on, weight agreed on, venue was even booked, they even had the card nearly ready with a mvp x misfits collaboration. And when Jake lost to Tommy, Jake literally said “nah don’t wanna do it I wanna fight Diaz”
We lowkey need bigger stars in the scene
These man have been ducking each other for years now. At the point where I couldn't care less whether it happens or not lol
This!
I’ve accepted it’s not happening.
21:58 I dont know if this has beem answered later on in the video because im commenting as im watching but my question is are the 'hubs' of the sport created by the promoters or does the sport wait for a hub to come into the scene for the sport to thrive. Ofc its the responsibility for the 'hub' to continue doing well and pushing their brand too but is there way for the promoters to build and nurture these 'hubs' in order to keep the scene strong?
slim aint ever getting a ksi fight, and if he does, he gets decimated
Especially as high pace KSI is. Slim will be in fact gassed within 2 rounds.
Still wish we couldve seen it instead of Temper.
I mean ya slim natural weight class is 160 lmao and ksi is 180
@@Mikkeruwe would of if Tom zanetti’s last two opponents didn’t pull out probably
U right vidal no one cares about influencer boxing anymore it's dying its reached its peak with is ksi v tommy fury its done now people moved on.
Ok lsi stan
Good point you made about salt papi but it’s also on misfits to protect him they threw him into the wolves with the slim and at fights
Keep having this conversation but it most likely never happening
Still waiting for Leon Wills vs Idris! 🔥
They still do ufc fight nights on the months with no ppvs
Ufc has fight nights like every week of the year bar like 5
I still think it’s crazy we got a gta 6 official trailer before this fight
The ufc does still do the fight nights almost weekly
Ksi vs jake paul should happen asap because yes we got some good card throughout the year but the excitement too build up for ksi vs jake will be on the same level as mayweather vs pacquio.
But i got a feeling after ksi vs jake no ones gonna watch influencer boxing the same and the question will be what the next big fight. And i got a feeling that no one will watch salt papi, slim, deji etc the same way unless they elevate quite big.
I thinl if ksi beats jake both will retired. And if jake wins then there maybe some hype in the scence as it will give jake motivation to carry on.
agreed, that's why I think this year mams needs to focus on building and elevating the next potential stars beyond ksi (slim, salt, deen, deji etc) and push for KSI Jake this year and if that cannot happen then at least they can go into 2025 with a set of potential stars if they spend this year really building their brand, presence etc, branch them out to work with other brands, get sponsorships etc.
@@username2828 100% and he needs to start by putting these potentials star as their own main event like we cant have deen and salt on ksi undercard all the time cause people will only watch ksi but by slim salt etc headline their own card will be a right step foward
We need it as co-main on Pac-Man vs Money Mayweather
7:38 sit down, pour a tea, have a digestive, work it out mate 😂
For RIL, that combo puts you in another zone
It's got to be slim or Dean on my front cover
Leon u gotta let Misfits council about 4 big events. Good idea 💯
Yea pretty much
They got to think of a different term other than hub cause that shit got me pissing myself with laughter
Deji vs Bryce Hall could also save the scene
they should follow the marvel formula. 2-3 big shows a year and maybe 1-2 smaller shows
Keyword of this video is “Hub” lmao
Talking about the first topic of the video i think JJ should have fought Slim when Dillon "ducked" the fight instead of Temperr.. It would have been a more credible win and i do think Slim has done so much for Misfits he deserves a Main Event fight.. and coming from a Devastating knockout against Temperr and on short notice, but NOW the fight makes no sense like Viddal said , if JJ goal is to fight and beat Jake he cant be fighting Slim on his Return fight and Jake will only go up in opposition and Jj coming from Tommy to Slim will be a huge downgrade so the fight makes no sense now..
yeh now it don't make sense, back then it did for the misfits scene but if we talking ksi vs Jake, then a slim fight should not be in the picture. But I do think Mams should focus on building slim more and giving him some good opportunities this year, he is a fan favourtie within the misfits scene, held the LHW and now MW belt so can use that as a storyline along with his wins etc but who is there in that division that is a good opponent and will hook the fans?
If only 1 fight can keep influencer boxing alive, then it's already dead. A whole "sport" (even tho Misfits is a clown show) can't rely on 2 people that aren't even that good but sell the most.
Influencer Boxing has had it's day. Jake Paul knows that, hence his career change into professional boxing.
yeh agreed, I say by end of next year it's over unless some miracle happens and the numbers keep growing.
Reason why it's stagnating the way it is, is because roster has not grown the way they anticipated and the quality of talent is just not it. They act like they only select based on set criteria but you can tell they don't care about quality and just quantity imo. Apart from the fan favourites (ksi, deji, slim, deen, kenny, salt, and potentially AT) what stars do they have?
They ain't built up the talent in the right way imo and they are paying the price, if they think of a good strategy for this year they could be back on track but with the way things are going unless they branch out to crossover fighters/mma fighters fighting on the shows I don't see them lasting till the end of next year
As of now there isn’t a Hub or atleast a permanent one, but Hubs are created through growth like salt papi got attention bit by bit and if he continued dominating then he would of been a Hub, as for high viewerships there will be people to follow those shoes if they decide to step into the boxing scene people like speed, kai etc they came out of nowhere and grew extremely quick and there will be more as each year goes by more people are found
Jake Paul and KSI does need to happen I agree how ever I feel it would make sense that Slim fights him. Slim has won all hes fights and has the most heart out of all influence boxers IMO. I would defo wanna watch that and im sure so would other people
True that.. This needs to happen. Please tell JJ Tag said so
ksi should just agree to box jake, what does he have to lose? his alpha personality??!
dude, this is boxing!!
as long as you don't get knocked out and you made it to the end without being dominated all fight long, then his alpha thing isn't really harmed.
remember boxing is technical and it isn't really fighting, it's like an art, who has more skill.
you can be the alpha guy of the two boxers but get beat up by the more skilled one
i don't think the fight hurt jj's image if he loses a decision to jake
jake is the one who has a lot to lose as he made boxing his main thing
3 prime fights a year?? I’ll even forget that existed 😂
Brooo where is GIB in this?😂🤦🏽♂️
Viddal is BARE SMART
7:16 LMAOOOO
They are right tho.
My only question would be: what happens after the ksi vs jake fight? Wouldnt cross-over boxing still die by your analogy?
ive lost all hope in this fight happening if i dont happen early 2024 its never gonna happen and i thinkits the biggest let down beside jousha wilder
UFC fight nights still happening
What about GiB he could be a so called Hub IMO.
Gib if he still boxed
KSI vs Jake at 183 with a 10lb rehydration clause is fair.
Slim should never fight KSI😂 cause if Slim gets hit? It’s over. He got rocked by Salt Papi at like 165 right?
183 with rehydration is a bit KSI-biased. Make it 185+ with rehydration or 183 with no rehydration.
Must not happen under PBA though. Would allow KSI to excessively clinch himself to a victory. A fight of this magnitude should be a proper pro fight, nothing less.
10lb rehydration clause? it's like jake is allowed to balloon up to 193? it's pretty much like having no rehydration clause lmao
@@accountnew7030no lol Tommy had went to 200
@@therealhb1763 and you've seen that where exactly?
@@accountnew7030 Are u dumb ksi said multiple times him Vs Tommy has no rehydration clause which means he bloon upto 200lbs plus
It is true, but Manns is trying very hard to create the hub, but as soon as they announced it, you just have a Wade beef, happy punch drama and they don't fight but Wade imposes himself very hard because he is not in the Misfit scene and wants to be, just watch the tweeter space and his strategy by killing the scene bit by bit
Ksi meatrider still made at wade 😘
@@nodruj8681 meatrider? I could care less about any of them. Just know drama when I see one
@@gallistik6956sounds like you know nothing on this situation tho. Wade has not bad blood with misfits or mams even ksi for that matter. He is giving praises where deserved and so does he give critics where deserved
@@eachypinky118 like I said I couldn't care less, this situation has made the public (same as MAGA and it is not politic). The boxing world copied the format and they are doing good business in Saudi and influencer boxing cannot even claim the benefit
To answer the question of who to put on the cover of a crossover boxing game, i think it's undoubtedly Deen the Great. Dude could easily score well in every metric other than defense. He punches hard, his timing and speed are amazing, his IQ is thru the roof, but his one area that is lacking is defense. Walid hit him with a hard left in the beginning of their fight, but Deen had the iq to get out of there in the moment and the toughness to continue to fire back. Let's see Deen on Rillest Rivals against someone like Tank or Ryan Garcia
16:33 hub gawn,😅 i love how this guy drops the American accent when he makes a big point. And from past comments im not mocking his speech, i have a speech impediment so im not taking this piss im just makimg an observation ❤
The new hubs should be Slim and Deen
Ksi vs jake Paul won’t happen even Ksi said ye won’t fight jake, a won a £70 bet on that, I know the fight wouldn’t happen and I knew it would be Ksi’s decision not to fight
UFC didn’t stop making fight nights?
It’s already dead, this fight needs to happen to REVIVE influencer boxing
I’ve said that ksi could do a Jake Paul and rise up the ranks to become a pro boxer, Image Jake v KSI, 10 or 12 rnds, for a real title, even if it’s a secondary title, for a ksi jake fight it would be like a wbc/ring title like a wbo oriental, wbc silver, wba international, etc
Slim vs JJ can happen with a no rehydration clause
"This needs to happen more than Mayweather Pacquiao or Crawford Spence" - Viddal u have a lot of good points...but this one is the dumbest by far! The compassion is horrible.
Mams is gonna fire leon for sure after the title
My cover if there’s no Jake or JJ is no one the scene is dead after that until one of these guys like Speed Kai Adin have a scandal like Logan did and decide it’s time to box
I do not care anymore! Slim is the last hope for Misfits.
Viddal and Leon do be making mad sense less shows would be better it would also force everyone to fight each other making it more like ufc
Salt papi just like deen gained a lot of fame through crossover boxing
I already knew of deen years ago like i did lil cracra, but not if salt papi until he fought halal ham
Ngl if joe weller comes back I’ll defo be watching his fights
Influencer Boxing has already died for me ngl.
The UFC still do fight nights…
Deen and slim on the cover together
I think as a rebound fight for KSI Slim first then Masvidal then Jake would be a great route for him this year
What , its either Jake or he better off staying retired
lmao this was his pan for 2023 only to go fight Tommy then lose and retire
@@SammyPebbles yeah but the more he fights the better always exciting when he’s boxing
@@JonathanVegaa god you just said Jumping Jacks clinch man excitng was exciting when he's boxing 😬
it wont going to happen, logan is going meet jake and ksi for the wedding
Speed vs kai would be very well watched but everyone knows they are kl with each other but they woukd gave to gave some scripted beef otherwise crossover boxing without jj will regress especially when pro boxing pressers are more entertaining then so called influencers press conferences