ralfy review 641 - Isle Of Jura 21yo @ 44%vol
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2017
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I think it is important to review the less than stellar whiskies. The journey is incomplete without such.
I appreciate that you don't take "samples" from distilleries and distributors. Always feel like your reviews are honest even if I may not always agree. Thanks, Mate.
Thank you, Ralfy, for this well-thought out, articulate, and USEFUL review. This is precisely why I keep coming back to your videos and channel.
Thanks for another great review!
In my opinion, colouring and chill-filtration should not be allowed on whiskies aged 15 and above!
Great review once again Ralfy! The fact that it's not just a review but you're sharing your experience, its very educational. Thanks!
80/100! Savage! Ralphy's getting serious today!
Thank you for all of your reviews. I appreciate your passion, both for items you really appreciate, and those that you do not.
WE. WANT. MORE.... RANTS!!! 😁
Great review, Ralfy! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
I was looking at indpt bottlings of Jura a while ago due to seeing the potential in the boringly presented 16yo, but found them a bit few and far between, at least here in Germany.
Terrific review Ralfy! Recovering in hospital and doing well. Take care, Ossie
. . . get well and keep your best foot forward Ossie !
Pour a dram of glenfarclas 21 which is cheaper with lots of character and forget about it. its good to see you mention something many of us have thought about buying because it's affordable but seems I was right to avoid.
Man, this was a hardcore merciless roast from you Ralfy!
I did enjoy that review. Thank you for the quality you provide.
Couldn't help but get stuck on that weary, frustrated look at the end, Ralfy.
Thanks for the review, see you next week :)
what can be expected from Whyte and MacKay? and... Thanks so much for sharing the knowledge Ralfy!
Another stellar review. Thank you for sharing!!
Yep ,well worth the bagging!Thanks for the honesty.
Hello Ralfy. Great review and I would have to agree with many of the points you have made here. I have tried this bottle and like yourself was a little underwhelmed with what I sampled. I have also noticed that after being able to sample some drams before I buy that in the place of purchase ( which has made my decision to buy), when I have gotten around to opening the bottle my memories of the experience do not match. Whisky prices are becoming excessive in my opinion for what they are, but I appreciate that the producers, who have made and nurtured the whisky deserve a higher cut, especially when you see what they can go for in the secondary market. I have my go to whiskies as I feel that the quality produced for the price meets expectation. I am a little apprehensive though of buying older products due to the quality to price differences. I remember only a few years ago buying a premium 30 year old single malt for less than £200 but nowadays the same malt ( although a newer version) is over £600 from that provider. I don't feel the quality has matched the price although it is still as good as the one I bought a few years ago.
Thanks ralfy for being so honest and fair but also thorough. Cutting corners is ok and important, but if quality starts to suffer to such a degree, it has gone way too far.
I am glad I passed on this one when Costco started carrying it here in Canada. It sells for CDN$115 (£67) in Calgary, Alberta; however, I do not have the ABV.
I don't think I've ever seen Ralphy upset at a Scotch in the way that he was upset with this entire Jura presentation. From the product to the packaging, it's clear that Ralphy has a disdain for this effort. It's refreshing to come across an honest opinion not chained by a conflict of interest. It's what keeps me coming back to his reviews, and buying his recommendations. His most recent whiskey of the years have been spot on. Long live Ralphy.
Great review, Ralfy. Glengoyne 21 is the best value for money of that exact age statement imo. Actually I'm sipping one at the moment.
Sláinte!
Another great review! I would really appreciate a review of the new Springbank 10 or maybe the Longmorn 16y as it is now discontinued.
wonderful review. entertaining, honest, brave and extremely useful.
happy easter ralfy!
It would be interesting to have a historical look at the rise/drop in distilleries using coloring and/or chill filtering in the last decade as a result of reviewers like yourself and distilleries who market their craft presentation prominently like Ardbeg, Springbank, and Bruichladdich. Certainly the customer notices NCA and NCF, though maybe not the consumer.
Looking forward to some Armagnac reviews Ralfy!
A tad crazy but I just was looking at this exact bottle to buy next. Cheerys ralfy, you may have just saved me about £100!
I love your honest opinions. Keep up the good work.
At 15:45 you mention that your reviews may not correspond with those of "more professional" commentators. Please know that we're with you on the journey because of your professionalism, your intergrity, and your putting your love ahead of any of the B.S. Honest opinions from someone who has made a conscious choice not to be in the pocket of the whisky industry. You are a trailblazer and a consumate professional, keep on keepin' on.
To this day, the most disappointing bottle I've ever bought was a Jura 10. I should have taken your advice and not bothered with that one. Thank you for all you do.
That's probably my favourite Ralfy video
Great review Ralfy!
Was really interested to watch this, as I have had much younger Jura's and did not rate them at all. Due to this personal experience I would have never spent such money to try an older version.
It seems they don't get better with age either
From this distillery, watch out for the 'Tastival' bottling.
No fake stuff and nearly cask strength.
Greetings Mr Ralfy, had to search your channel and glad that I found this. I've got a discounted offer for this single malt in Aus down from $349 to $229, it is sitting in my basket and I wasn't sure if I should buy it or not, this one is 46.7% and I think I will pass and not get excited by this offer. I only had 12 year old and must admit , I didn't like it, I kept it for almost 3 years and just recently finished the bottle but even after this long I still didn't like it. Thank you again for enlightening us as always. I believe they listedn to you and now nee box is different and bumped up the ABV 😅
Great review as always ... and the best part was pointing out how utterly useless that packaging was. Do people not know about gravity?
Love the videos brother and the sticker on the wobbly table.
I have two words for the wise for you. First, if you change the "eye line" of your camera meaning you want to leave the camera with your eye line. Right now it has you looking down at your viewers, and it gives you a different feeling for the viewer then if you are looking straight at them.
Also if you go to your "Creator Studio" button in your upper right-hand corner. Then go down to the "Channel" button and finally the "Branding" button you will be able to add your own branding logo. The logo will let your views to subscribe to your page easier.
. . . thanks for the tips !
Great review Ralfy. What an appallingly designed bottle container. I agree that it should never have been approved! It reminds me of the Lagavulin 8 Year Old which has a very thin card base, too thin to hold the weight of the bottle. It is as you say "unfit for purpose". I ended up sticking sellotape at the bottom of mine to prevent the bottle following through and landing up on the floor.
I have actually never had a Jura I liked. I am looking forward to you suggesting an independant bottling which you would recommend.
Well, the Jewish festival of Pesach is over (at least in Israel), and it is back to whisky after a week's break. I must say that the Louis Royer VSOP cognac I bought for the festive meals was most delicious and certainly made the whisky intermission extremely tolerable.
hope to see some mezcal malternatives as we roll into spring and summer, know the list is long. thanks ralfy!
. . . problem is the crazy high price for many of them now.
I agree with the review and many of the comments: Jura is overhyped, overpriced, and underwhelming. I have a bottle of Superstition that I purchased in a more naive time. I can't bring myself to open it, but at least the bottle looks nice in my display case. All that said, though, I do have a 26 yr old Jura from SMWS that I'm quite looking forward to trying one day.
First malt I ever bought was the Jura 10, coz it was cheap. It put me off single malts till I tried an Islay. Now have a little collection of about 20 bottles. The Jura is at the back of the cupboard and is my go to dram - for hot toddies!
It might be good to make cocktails out of like a Rob Roy etc.
I bought a bottle of Monkey Shoulder when I was first getting into scotch. It was pleasant enough for a while, but I soon grew tired of it. I used what was left in the bottle to make premixed Old Fashioneds. May just do the same with Superstition.
Why is there a sticker with germen text on a bottle sold in the UK? Was it meant for export?
. . . probably ! Brits don't get colourant statements generally !
More damning reviews please Ralfy! I really enjoyed a 700ml bottle of their 16 yo so I grabbed a couple of them in one litre bottles while on special (marketed for travel retail). Not the same drop and far less enjoyable coming from a later batch!
hello ralfy
for how many months can a palo cortardo sherry(regente) remain fit for drinking after opening it WITH PRIVATE PRESERVE?????
Sehraj Singh Virk this is a whisky channel pal, not a sherry channel
...maybe ask the people at private preserve or my nan, who knows about sherry.
. . . should be fine for several months in a cool storage area !
Hey Ralfy, thanks for the review. Do you have a similar opinion of the 16 year old Isle of Jura? I tried it once and enjoyed it, not the most complex whiskey I've had, but enjoyable.
. . . it's a better malt !
That's good, I have an unopened bottle of the 16yo. I was getting a little pessimistic.
the lingering "buh-bye"...got awkward so I thought you were waiting for me to respond!
I almost shat myself when the bottle fell on the table!
LOL! I gasped in horror!
phixxyful I know right, my heart nearly fell through my arse when I watched it fall!
Apparently it wouldn't have been no great loss if the bottle had smashed. The loss occured when over a hundred pounds was spent on this whisky. x
The packaging flaws remind me of Crown Royal Cask 16.
Ralfy - As you knew it had caramel and was chill filtered the question that comes to my mind is - why buy it in the first place? Personally,I would have put it back on the shelf and chosen something else (and that's because you have educated me to be more discerning)...... Just saying :)
I am no fan of Jura, but you are at your best with whiskies you really like😉 Then again, who wouldn't be.
I do like to see that Ralfy can be critical (negative comments). Just short of a rant. Just. Sermonesque for sure.
Now, 4 years later, Whisky Fun is giving this Jura a very high mark, wonder if Jura got your feedback and made corrections
madness - they don't even chill filter their Prophecy at half the price (and bottle at 46%)
Could anyone recommend a fairly accessible whiskey that would go good with tea? I've been having a go with whiskey in my tea and it's great, but I know for a fact the whiskeys I'm using aren't doing it justice.
. . . try VAT69 or Glenfarclas 10yo
Never had a VAT69, thanks for the recommendation!
hello ralfy
plz tell the batch number of your bottle
I wouldn't ever want to experience Ralfy telling me off after watching this.
ralfy, i absolutley love your reviews, the honesty and clarity from your chats and rants are what i settle down to of an evening, and even better with a dram (fyi i also have an idea because i would love to send you a sample of my solera bottle and get you to review it, but anyway), but please can you tell me more about barrells, specifically oloroso barrels because my unserstanding is that this is never a 'sweet' sherry by definition, so how does the barrel impart sweetness?
also, are we saying paterson is a twat?
actually, i should say, the most interesting whisky i have tasted in recent times was the shackleton replica whisky, so maybe he is purely good at blending different malts rather than making a single malts, so maybe you could also do a vid showing the different trchniques used in making your normal blends and mixing malts to make a character single malt?
Sad thing is I remember the Jura I was getting 15 years ago was excellent. The old Jura 10 was complex and strong and more like something between lagavullin and Talisker. I have been eyeballing this 21 for a while, but after having purchased several jura's recently, they seem FLAT for lack of a better term. Not bad, but not great compared to what is out there. Ralphy hits the mark on this one.
Ralfy, I would be very disappointed if I put down that kind of money for a caramel colored whiskey that was aged in overused and tired out barrels. I wonder if they also need to review how they are making their mash and how well they are quality checking the high wines before aging. They would also do themselves a YUUUGE favor and order 100 or so new once used Bourbon and Tennessee whiskey barrels along with some new once used Sherry casks. Take those old, musty, spent barrels and have a nice bonfire with them. LOL!
Good Rant Ralfy :)
I gota agree w/ya hole-hartidly on ths 1 Ralfy...it's hard 2 trust official JURAs anymor!....shame that!
theyv bin needin 2 up their game 4 sum tym now.
thank 4 th validation.
Im drinking Rose watching this review :P
My only broken bottle has been a Signatory Glen Grant. It was my fault.
Agree entirely. Without mentioning any individual (although I'm sure you can guess) I do not wish to purchase a whisky from any of the following distilleries: Jura, Dalmore or Fettercairn. Why? Because they are overpriced and underwhelming to put it politely. To be honest, I'm thinking of stating my point less politely if I come across one of the above malts again in the near future.
Judging the way that person throws his whisky around when he's on the telly, he doesn't have a very high opinion of it either! ;-)
He has a high opinion of himself though.
Hey Ralfy. Yet another blooter of a review of an overestimated Malt Whisky. Thanks for that.
BTW, who taught you to recognise all those whisky tastes and noses?
. . . I taught myself, with some help from friends !
That's what I mean Ralfy, a little help from your friends! No way would I have recognised the more complex noses and tastes without help from old heads like yersel. Thanks for taking the time to answer :o)
SAVAGE! Love it.
Any guesses what the next dram'll be? My money's on Arran.
. . . good guess !
i wish it is springbank 21 single cask
14yo? I find it best of the range, price/quality-wise.
Ralfy, you were kinder in your thoughts about chill-filtering and E150 when it came to Auchentoshan 21, although the Auch 21 packaging is not gimmicky, it is over the top. That said the Auch 21 is better juice but nothing to write home about IMHO.
Just saying
. . . good point !
Ouch ! 80/100 for a 21 = sad . . . hopefully, in 2022 things would get better at 205 ukp ! ! ! OMG .
I bought one of those little bottle tasting packages with 4 kinds of Jura whisky. I hated all of them...
One of the first single malts my dad bought was a Jura and he said it was the most awful thing he'd ever tasted... and he paid like you said close to €80/90 for it and he'll never buy it again...
An example of when adventuring in whiskey can be a bad idea with a lot of money.. I always read the reviews b4 I buy.
. . . happy to help with the malt-moments !
ralfystuff quick question. What happens to the whiskeys after you review them? 😄 Are there 641 whiskeys sitting on a shelf somewhere? 😂 🥃
Ralfy if your looking for a different whisky have a look at the Langatun 6 Year Old 2010 - Jacob's Dram Swiss single malt. It's an interesting alternative and I we've not had a European whisky review in a while.
. . . soon be time for Eureviews !
ralfystuff That langatun is my favourite European whisky so far. it's a good use of wine casks which normally I am not a fan of. Also not normally a fan of many European whiskies as they are using small Holstein stills which don't deliver the quality and complexity of traditional large Scottish pot stills. this langatun however is genuinely Interesting and that's coming from a Euro whisky sceptic
Another distiller I walk on by. Whyte and MacKay and Mr. Patersen are stuck in late 80's. Hopefully the group will stop letting scotch like this out.
How to drink whisky like a sir? No thanks, I'd sooner drink my whisky like our Ralfy! :-)
It would be hilarious if I didn't have the background knowledge to witness him trample on anything that is holy to me as a whisky drinker
eric gilbert and throwing whiskey on the ground to clean a glass!?? Use water for that or just take a fresh cool glass out of the dishwasher! Yikes!
He's a pretentious clown personality wise.
Every time I see that I think of Ralfy saying - "No shakey shakey in the glass - no, no, no" :-)
I cant for the life of me find the need for adding colour. I simply believe its assisting the blender to put together a whisky he cant get consistancy, so bang in some colouring. Take a lesson from Arran, Highland park etc. ( only an opinion)
shameful. it happened to me too with my Glendronach 18. hot, hallow, nothing like the pub version I tried last year. Bunnahabhain 12 puts it to shame.
Had a sample of this and it was brilliant. Bought a bottle. Weak and anaemic in comparison. Heartbroken. 😭
I am not surprised that this got 80, in my opinion Jura has been contrived for some time. It's one of the first whiskies I fell away from when reaching some basic level of malt knowledge. If you want a real Superstition head to Cambeltown or an Indie 'laddie
Personally, I don't have an issue with chill filtration, or caramel coloring. But that packaging was a terrible idea.
whew, im glad i didn't buy one when I had the chance.
Say it Ralfy -- it's a shitty decision.
Keep the rants coming. Preach on.
I bought a Jura Superstition... simply undrinkable.
I was compeld 2 use it n a 4month old Scotch-Irish fruitcake wich was delish.
I soakd the fruit n it 4 a total of 4 months, that is.
The problem with Jura is the coloring and the low proof. The style of this could be a really good dram, but the way they are presenting it makes it nearly impossible to get much value for the money.
The more bottles of smashed Jura on the ground the better.
Serge has recently reviewed this version and awarded a flying colours mark of 90. Sort of a discrepancy, which I find a rather bizarre occurence.
. . . I suspect a lot has changed in terms of quality over the last 5 years ! . . . hopefully Jura official bottlings will continue to improve.
@@ralfydotcom it would make sense, without any doubt. What struck me in particular was the fact it was the 2016 version he had reviewed, bottled at 44% ABV. By all accounts, the same version as this one.
@@ralfydotcom I do. Thank you, Ralfy.
Oh heck that is a bad review Ralfy. I will keep away from this one, thanks for the review.
If that clip broke on me , the bottle would hit me on the back of the neck.
Ralphy, don't deprive yourself (and us) of a creepy wave when it is mandated! Onto sherry... you described this as being sherried with "generic Oloroso." I'm going to say that all Oloroso, for the moment, is generic! I can't get away from it! Scotch is always sweet enough for me from the bourbon casks alone. Time to use more Fino or dry Amontillado I think. Know of any good examples?
Evan Hayes There is a 15 year old Glengoyne with a Palo Cortado finish. Only one I know of that isn't sweet
67th!
❤️👍🥃
Well. I'm glad that wasn't a rant, Ralfy... Lol. ;-)
Fantastic review and great info as always!!
I gave up on Jura a LONG time ago. Boring, insipid and uninspiring.
Odd, an old single malt I can purchase.
Oopps.
The two saddest things I’ve learnt on my whisky journey is that Jura was the best selling single malt in the UK in 2021 and the way W&M reps at festivals dismiss any sort of feedback about their whisky if you pass on comments about integrity, to the point of being rude and abrasive when all you’re trying to do is relay your honest opinions as a drinker who’s made paid their money to go to these events and done their whisky apprenticeship to reach that conclusion. They’ve also taken to Facebook to belittle and shut down people with an opinion that’s not sparkling about their brands and to push Dalmore as an ‘investment’. The distain W&M have for engaged and enlightened malt mates is very unpleasant and a real stain on the industry, in my opinion.
. . .tells you all you need to know !
Bought a bottle of Superstition end of last year. Smelt of wet carpet and tasted like fishy cardboard, a la corked wine. Considered sending them the bottle with a note but of course couldn't be bothered in the end and tipped it down the sink. Will be avoiding for the foreseeable because of that.
I received a bottle of that one, about three years ago, and it had gone seriously and needlessly downhill.
I'm surprised you found it that bad. That one's my favorite of the series that I've tried, though admittedly not as good as it should be for the price.
Superstition going back 5 years maybe was a really great value whisky, they clearly used a lot of old whisky and was a real bargain - now it is thin and a pale shadow
chrish12345 Yes. Good description.
chrish12345 .. Agreed, spot on. the Superstition of several years back wasn't bad at all but recent renditions have suffered terribly. Kind of sad...Jura is a distillery/malt that I WANT to like. Lets hope they see/read/learn from reviews like this and make the appropriate corrections. I had been eyeballing the 21 year old, wondering if I needed to go up a step to get back to the quality... thanks Ralfy, you saved me well over a £100 (closer to $200 where I live)... I DO have a couple of independent bottlings Jura. I'll look forward to cracking them in the future...
I think a score of 80 is kind, I had this round a friends house who loved it, and I tore it to bits, I felt like I'd be better off sipping a vodka
. . . . ouch !
Bought a Carn Mor independent bottling of Jura 14 yr old. It is the worst Scotch I've tasted. I think it's off or something. It has a bit of a puke note to it. Cost me $120 Canadian. Should have bought some Ardbeg 10 instead....
Serge occasionally mentions baby vomit as a tasting note and in a good way. Never noticed any myself but I can't really imagine liking it.
Didn't sound so swell
I tried this one recently during a tasting, and I was quite disappointed as well; not worth the price in my opinion. However, for a cheaper price, I enjoy the Tastival versions (bottled at higher strenght, non chill filtered and no caramel). I bought the 2015 bottling when I visited Jura, and I like it.
You do realise that taste and smell is subjective? Someone would give this whisky a 80, some would give it 90 and some would say it's a 100. Nobody is wrong or right. Ralphy might not like it but someone else might absolutely love it.
I would suggest that they would love it more if it didn't have brown dye, chill-filtering and a higher abv. - especially for a whisky of this age/price. x
I already avoid Jura like the plague. Shame
I steer clear of ALL Jura's as if they wer coild snakes!
always bad luck w/Jura...jus n opinion... but tru!!!
Not worth my tym or hard-earned $$
Jura needs 2 shut-down n start all over agen!!!
Good honest review of an over priced ,substandard ( again bearing the price and age in mind) product . Perhaps Jura should concentrate on what's in the bottle rather than how it appears and is presented.
Thanks Ralfy