Love this show. I think I've watched almost every episode. Figured out the big tattoo my Uncle Gilbert had. The Dolphins and a big Anchor with USN over the top. He was a WW2 Submariner. I'm a Retired Army 1SG, 1979 - 2002. 8 years as Top. Thank you Admiral for this show. A lot of us appreciate the insight and historical value. We lost 52 Submarines during the War. My Uncle lost friends. He would never talk about the war. My other Uncle was Army. Thank you again Admiral and the producers of this fine show. 😎 I'm in your debt.
I grew up in the D. C. area and lived next to a former COMSUBPAC and a former COMSUBLANT (both WWII vets), my Dad was WWII Navy (amphibious) and I was in US Naval Sea Cadets - and was transfixed by this TV series. It's no wonder I went NROTC and then spent my career in Subs, mainly aboard USS JAMES MADISON (SSBN-627) as Supply and Senior Diving Officer, among other duties. Thanks for putting this series back in circulation. I plan to watch all the posted episodes (again)!
As A plank owner of the James Madison SSBN627 . I was happy to find this series on the internet. I saw it when it was originally on Tv and it influenced me to join the NAVY and qualify on subs. I also served on the USSJack SSN605. I have many great memories of my shipmates on both.
My dad was an officer (Lt.J.G.) n this boat at this time. He loved the Navy and especially the submarine service - served for 25 yrs.Kind of cool seeing this.
Most of those who appreciate freedom and justice appreciated the sacrifice made to protect us from the axis. Those who do not seem to be filled with hate for most things good. The exception is those who fear God may not approve. I am one of those but I still recognize the courage and sacrifice and appreciate the freedom!
A board member of my business who was in submarine service in WWII just passed last month. They don’t seem to make men like these anymore. RIP Geo Zemla
I don't think you can come so close to losing your life so often without spending some serious time thinking about how you want to spend what's left of it. I've interviewed AAF veterans who said they lived good lives to honor the oaths they made to God during battles over Europe.
Dan, thank you so much for the sacrifices your Dad LT. JG and your entire family made for me and millions of other. I will pray for your family asking that God richly bless you all. I would love to get an autographed photo of your. I am a WW II history and I have studied every war our country has be involved. Thank you is not enough for all the sacrifices our soldiers have made. They deserve so much more as do their families. Thank for sharing your connections to this documentary. That is really cool.
Allen - Thanks so much for your kind reply. I have been blessed to have had such a fine father (He passed about 20 yrs. ago) as well as two wonderful sons. I have been given much more than I deserved. I do have a photo of my dad (when he reached rank of captain after approx. 20 years of service) but not autographed. He is currently buried at Arlington, and while I try to make it up there whenever I can it is much too infrequently. Thank-you so much for the support of our wonderful military personnel both past and present.
I'm missing something in this story. I still don't get why they didn't communicate with the right authorities so they could be recognized as friendly? As soon as they picked up the pilot they should have contacted command of their situation.
Back then communication was difficult. Messages had to be relayed and not all units, even aircraft, carried radios that would communicate across branches. This problem continued into the 1980s.
I was a sonar tech back in the 70's. The underwater telephone (WQC-2) can be used for ship and sub underwater communication, but it wasn't on WWII sub's until the end of the war. It may have been invented because of attacks like this.
Fascinating bit of TV history. The story was pretty good, but the acting and dialog were under the carpet. Note: During the war, the greatest damage to Japan's economy was done by our submarines sinking so much of their merchant fleet. In comparison, our bombers schwacked a lot more civilians, but the factories were already constrained by the lack of raw materials that were sunk with the merchant fleet. ... yet this show depicts the submariners implying that the bombers alone are wrecking the Japanese economy. The public has always wanted to believe, or have always been led to believe, that aircraft are more effective than they actually are. (Aircraft are potent, but subs did more damage to Japan.)
I enjoy watching RUclips educational movies like the Silent Service instead of the hassles watching newer movies on other networks and the viruses you get for just logging on?
Today that captain would be relieved of command and possibly court-martialed. He should have sent a MOVREP (special report saying the ship will be late) as soon as he expected he would not make it out of the OPAREA in time. Knowing he had to do search and rescue first, he should not have acknowledged that order without informing COMSUBPAC what his operations were and that he could be delayed. COMSUBPAC would either tell the destroyers to expect to see the GALIBAN or would tell the GALIBAN to leave, knowing bigger picture information than one ship captain would. Once he knew he would stay in the area longer, the captain should have had his radiomen prepare the radios to talk on the destroyers' frequency and hail them as soon as there was a visual contact.
All the officers on these videos seem to have such stony faces and robotic voices, wonder why. Still I enjoy re-watching all these shows I remember from the 50's and 60's. Bravo Zulu! to Men of that generation from an old cruiser sailor. USS Newport News (CA-148) my time aboard 1968-69-70 Call sign THUNDER flag hoist; November - India - Quebec - Quebec Then onboard the USS Springfield (CLG-7) 71-72 Flag Hoist/Radio Call Sign: November - Whiskey - Delta - Mike "Fair Winds and Following Seas" Brothers
The reasons why are very simple. They aren't actors and they are reading the answers from 2 large boards out of camera sight. One for the host (the Rear admiral) and the other for the episodes' Guest. While the words are theirs, the expression is lost as they are trying to not get the reading wrong.
It isn't done by surprise, it is planned, hence the camera is there to get it on film, real film. Sub goes to test depth, probably 300 feet in this case and rings up a flank bell. Go full rise on the bow planes, blow the forward group of ballast tanks, wait, blow the aft group, and then hang the F on.
This was being a old series as called the "The Silent Service". My grand fathers brother did worked on a submarine ined WW#2 at driving around marines commandos to go on islands and do stuff to the japanese empire. They haved 2 seasons and 78 diffrenter episodes, some others of them are on youtube too even. But too it is on dvd fromed Amazon too for $16.00 USD. Eached episode is about a diffrenter submarine and stuff did they do. Here is the URL from at Amazon if do you wished it on dvd: www.amazon.com/Submarines-Silent-Service-World-War/dp/B0014A95SI/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3A1QFXQDRF9AP&keywords=the+silent+service&qid=1572575696&s=movies-tv&sprefix=the+silent+service%2Caps%2C182&sr=1-3
@@webbtrekker534 Cool...thank you. I am tryd for writing a answer to you just but I am muted and I do haved troubles to writed stuff do I thinked in my head. It will taked me little ofed a while to writed it. sorry. And no I am not being a retard. Just I haved some ofed brains damaged as called aphasias from one of my fosters fathers hitted my head whened I was at 11.
Yes. Charging batteries requires tremendous mechanical energy, to run the generators. The energy drain means you cannot run the screws (propellers) at anything approaching full power. Traveling at the resulting low speed - during war patrol - puts the boat at risk of being easily overtaken by enemy surface craft. Charging was frequently done at night, outside of "hot" patrol areas.
Robert bishop Depended on how much power could be diverted from the propulsion motors. Normally battery charge from 2 of 4 engines cut cruise speed in half. Full charge from 2 engines about 6 to 8 hours, or more, again depending on many variables especially model and condition of the boat.
Flares and the signal light were signaling they are a friendly submarine. Like on some firing ranges a flag or different colored flares indicate firing about to start or has stopped.
From the narration of the first encounter, apparently it took an amazingly long time to change radio frequency - at least longer than it took the destroyers to close 5 miles (radar contact at 20,000 yd, opened fire at 12,000 yd) while the sub was running at flank+ speed (38 kn v 22 kn), which should have taken 15 minutes or more. I don't buy it, but, that's late '50s drama for you.
Transmitters of the period were clunky to tune in WWll as each frequency needed a crystal and tunable tank circuits, my father-in law a Marine said they had to hand wind tuning coils for the backpack radios and had a wopping 3 channels most of the time
4:16, its an SB2C Helldiver torpedo plane. I wonder if its one that my father helped make at Curtiss in Colol Ohio.? 2 men in there, pilot and rear gunner ???? TWO MEN in a Helldiver!! It must have been stock footage they used . I wondered why a torpedo plane would be "bombing" land targets.
Avenger could carry bombs. LTJG George H W Bush was shot down on a bombing mission. No sense in letting TBMs take up hanger space just because there is nothing to torpedo.
@@jwrockets Appreciate the info but what has this got to do with my identifying the plane at 4:16 correctly as an SB2C Helldiver and not an Avenger ????????
Wonder where “over and out” came from and why it is so prevalent in war movies . Another mistake I often see is pulling the pin on grenades before they are lobbed.Looks dramatic to someone who was never in the Army but that is impossible to do unless you have cast iron dentures.
"Over and Out" is a term when you are talking on a radio. 'Over' means I'm finished talking, now it's your turn. 'Out' means I'm going to start ignoring the radio because I have nothing more to say. You 'over' while you are talking to each other, when you have finished your conversation, you 'out' so now other people know you are done and they can start talking to each other.
A diesel sub has to be on the surfaced to recharge the batteries.. So they can charge while on the surface..Dont need to be stationary.. Maybe just for drama effect..
@Donna Jones They weren't under radio silence; they replied by radio to acknowledge the orders to leave the area. But why they didn't tell ComSubPac they were actively picking up a downed flier - or why the destroyers didn't know they were on rescue duty for the bombing mission that was in progress - who knows
It's OUT or OVER *NOW.* Do we really know their exact radio procedure during WWII? I grew up hearing 'Over and out." That has to come from somewhere. Do it now and you'll be called a rank amateur. But back then?
Yes sir.! Out means conversation done. Over is time for the other station to reply. Roger means you understand and will comply. Retired Army 1SG here. 23 years active. Another 8 as an Army Instructor.
@@jstetzer01 Roger means I understand. To say "I understand and will comply" is Roger Wilco. At least in the Navy. Don't know how the Army does it. I thought they were all the same concerning radio procedure, but if you say in the Army Roger means I understand and will comply, then I'll take your word for it. But that's not the way is was in the Navy. At least not back in '78 to '82 when my brother served.
Actually, the first video view seems to be a flight of 3 B-17, then you have flights of B-29 and later bombing shows some B-24s. B-25s bombed Japan (Doolittle Raid) and B-24s/B25s bombed the Kuril Islands (Japanese/Russian Islands). So B-24s, B-24s, and, as you mentioned mainly B-29s bombed Japan. The "Lifeguard Missions" took place throughout the Pacific - Ciao, L (Veteran)
A few years ago, I was on a large cruise ship in the Caribbean. Seas were high, and at 2;00 am the ship was pounding miserably. Not being able to sleep, I went to the place where passengers could ovrtlook the bridge. There was even a speed and direction indicator for me to see. We were doing about 20 knots. A ship's officer looked up and saw me. I motioned for him to come up. He did, and I said, "Please tell the Captain that if he reduces speed by two knots, this pounding will lessen." He grinned and went back to the bridge. They reduced speed by two knots, and the pounding almost stopped. Then, the Captain gave me a big thumbs-up. The next day, the Captain saw me in the main restaurant and wanted to talk shop.
@@freeagent8225 I did not get paid, but we had dinner with the Captain. I was surprised that with his 30 years experience, he had not learned the relationship between speed, distance between waves (period), and up-and-down motion. Most sailboat sailors learn that quite early.
you cant run a diesel engine underwater!? they could only charge the batteries when they were surfaced, but we are'nt talking about a modern battery charging system either back in them days the systems were highly inefficient compared to today's standards an sub could take hours to charge.
It's obvious that some of the statements made indicate that people don't understand the peculiar nature of submarine warfare. These episodes are very well done.
The propulsion is always electric, surface and submerged. The diesels were required to charge the batteries and supply electricity to the electric motors. Surface speed had to be balanced with the need to charge the batteries. Running at flank speed, they were unable to charge their batteries.
I have been watching a lot of these over the last few days and I never knew that all the second in command were such complainers and always questioning the captain on everything he did.
The commander needs to have a advocate available to insure the commander does not oversee an important fact, this is always done with the greatest respect, I have been there and been on all sides of this dynamic. I works and always will.
Because the Captain initially wanted flank speed which means all output of the diesels goes into surface propulsion and no power is directed to recharging the batteries.
Merle Morrison Absolutely it can..batteries were charged on surface while underweigh on diesel power and when using a snorkel the diesels were used for charging too.
During this time the Japanese i57 sub managed to slip away when the Americans were chasing their own sub which nearly cost the the war by more than 10 months. i57 was transporting sensitive cargo and managed to reach it's destination but luckily the cargo was destroyed in the docks by bombers before it was brought to dry land. It's said that the slipping away of the Japanese sub was hushed and covered up until the archives were opened up to the public after 50 years. Anyway there is not even a fraction of truth in this comment!!😛 Read it at your own risk.😝
That skipper should've been court-martialed for willfully disobeying his orders risking his ship and all men aboard. Save one flyer lose the ship and 89 men. That's just plain dumb and insubordinate. In today's navy that skipper would no longer be in command.
Too bad silent service didn’t have das boot to appreciate how submariners actually lived on their boats.. in silent service, submariners are clean shaven, clean uniforms and act like they don’t have a care in the world. Another Hollywood flick with actors that apparently never spent a day on a submarine, let alone during wartime.
Silent service was a U.S. Navy official.production using and when possible using the actual submariners and naval personel. The reason s for what you mentioned should be obvious, the only reason the Navy agreed to this was that it would provide excellent PR or called propaganda at the time, at at time they were badly in need of new, volunteer recruits to help replace the mass exodus that took place after the war. Because they wanted people to be fascinated and attracted to the Navy in general and the Submarine service in particular they didn't really want to make it look terrifying, filthy, suicidal, and repulsive to those who watch these shows. Showing scenes like what was in das boot would been counterproductive in other words. Just so you know that movie was made long after thecwsr. I don't even think the germs would have showed it during the war I to try and attract people to the service.
Are you suggesting that silent service pr films found it necessary to mislead potential recruits to join the submarine service by misrepresenting what life on a submarine is really like? I don’t think so. I think these films were produced by military personnel who had no clear understanding or experience in serving on a submarine during wartime and presented the concept in an overly simplistic view
True heros but I quit at ten minutes. Of course, one has to give thought as to when it was made and that it was basically propaganda but so very amature. Jumping around showing aircraft that did not fit the story in anyway. Poorly done when you know that the archives have proper film bits that could have been used.
Really? It was 1958 when it was produced, so give them a break. The fact is that they are terrific stories and the chance to see the real person involved. Suspend your disbelief for a while and enjoy the series, imperfect as they might be.
A lot of this doesn't make any sense. If they can't see the flares through the fog then how can they see to get a gun solution?. aim with radar but that's not perfect. also it said there's no time to dial in the destroyers radio freq...? huh.?? and the were on the surface for hours and couldn't charge the batteries?? Someone dropped the ball and is making up stories here, They risked the ship to pick up one pilot.. Not a good decision. Even the pilot would agree. That's court marshal material not following orders to leave the area.
It seems to me that at least some of it is made up. The statement was made that the Captain was from Birmingham, AL. Well, records show differently: www.findagrave.com/memorial/111932010/karl-raymond-wheland
@@waynethompson8416 -- Captain William B. Parham, not Karl Raymond Wheland Captain USS Gabilan (SS-252), 28 Dec 1943 - 13 Dec 1944, during this patrol. "Gabilan's sixth and last war patrol (20 June - 17 August 1945) was on lifeguard station for American fliers off Tokyo Bay. She first rescued six men, the crews of two torpedo bombers, then raced well inside Tokyo Bay, in easy range of shore batteries, to rescue another three-man crew. Six Navy Hellcat fighter planes gave her cover for the mission. On the way out, she paused to destroy a drifting mine with gunfire. On 1 August, she rendezvoused with USS Toro and received 3 British fliers rescued earlier by that submarine. Altogether, on this patrol, Gabilan rescued 17 aviators." - Wikipedia
Um Court Martial, not "Court Marshal". A Marshal is a law enforcement officer. Looks like you are another sad product of the American educational system.
Love this show. I think I've watched almost every episode. Figured out the big tattoo my Uncle Gilbert had. The Dolphins and a big Anchor with USN over the top. He was a WW2 Submariner. I'm a Retired Army 1SG, 1979 - 2002. 8 years as Top. Thank you Admiral for this show. A lot of us appreciate the insight and historical value. We lost 52 Submarines during the War. My Uncle lost friends. He would never talk about the war. My other Uncle was Army. Thank you again Admiral and the producers of this fine show. 😎 I'm in your debt.
I, too appreciate this show, though I've never been in the military. It gives me an opportunity to learn.
Grew up with these dudes! I miss them, Loved THEM! on to cold and Nam. RIP GREATEST! Love Ya'll Y'ALL!
I grew up in the D. C. area and lived next to a former COMSUBPAC and a former COMSUBLANT (both WWII vets), my Dad was WWII Navy (amphibious) and I was in US Naval Sea Cadets - and was transfixed by this TV series. It's no wonder I went NROTC and then spent my career in Subs, mainly aboard USS JAMES MADISON (SSBN-627) as Supply and Senior Diving Officer, among other duties. Thanks for putting this series back in circulation. I plan to watch all the posted episodes (again)!
I had a friend on 627, a NAV ET named Marston. He was also called Firestarter, as he was blamed for a dryer lint fire on his first patrol.
I love this show. I only wish that had given a glass of wine to the special guests who seem like they are facing a depth charge attack any minute.
As A plank owner of the James Madison SSBN627 . I was happy to find this series on the internet. I saw it when it was originally on Tv and it influenced me to join the NAVY and qualify on subs. I also served on the USSJack SSN605. I have many great memories of my shipmates on both.
The first mate was from Petersburg, IL. Now I know the history behind Antle street in Petersburg. Proud to have men like that from my home town.
My dad was an officer (Lt.J.G.) n this boat at this time. He loved the Navy and especially the submarine service - served for 25 yrs.Kind of cool seeing this.
Dan Warner nj
@Hoang Jet F you Communist piece of crap
Bravo Zulu!
@Hoang Jet ╭∩╮(▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿)
Most of those who appreciate freedom and justice appreciated the sacrifice made to protect us from the axis. Those who do not seem to be filled with hate for most things good. The exception is those who fear God may not approve. I am one of those but I still recognize the courage and sacrifice and appreciate the freedom!
A board member of my business who was in submarine service in WWII just passed last month. They don’t seem to make men like these anymore. RIP Geo Zemla
I don't think you can come so close to losing your life so often without spending some serious time thinking about how you want to spend what's left of it. I've interviewed AAF veterans who said they lived good lives to honor the oaths they made to God during battles over Europe.
A friendly ship recognition signal..red..white...and blue fireworks.
Never seen this before. What a treat. My Uncle was a 6'3" Fireman on the USS Seadog during the War.
That is a painful situation he probably had calluses on his forehead those hatch overheads are brutal
Thanks for the upload. I haven't seen these episodes since I was a young boy back in the 50s.
Yep you and me both. Oh 4 yrs ago, welll didn't see that till now.
Oh well..
I just discovered something, by listening to this series. This was also made to air on radio.
Dan, thank you so much for the sacrifices your Dad LT. JG and your entire family made for me and millions of other. I will pray for your family asking that God richly bless you all. I would love to get an autographed photo of your. I am a WW II history and I have studied every war our country has be involved. Thank you is not enough for all the sacrifices our soldiers have made. They deserve so much more as do their families.
Thank for sharing your connections to this documentary. That is really cool.
Allen - Thanks so much for your kind reply. I have been blessed to have had such a fine father (He passed about 20 yrs. ago) as well as two wonderful sons. I have been given much more than I deserved. I do have a photo of my dad (when he reached rank of captain after approx. 20 years of service) but not autographed. He is currently buried at Arlington, and while I try to make it up there whenever I can it is much too infrequently.
Thank-you so much for the support of our wonderful military personnel both past and present.
WW2 subs needed something on deck that could be fired under water to combat cruisers and destroyers.
Was not clear what role "wiskbroom" and streetsweeper" 😂played. They tell the sub to study ship identification.lol..real dumbbells!
Friendly destroyers...lol...the ultimate oxymoron!
I'm missing something in this story. I still don't get why they didn't communicate with the right authorities so they could be recognized as friendly? As soon as they picked up the pilot they should have contacted command of their situation.
Back then communication was difficult. Messages had to be relayed and not all units, even aircraft, carried radios that would communicate across branches. This problem continued into the 1980s.
I was a sonar tech back in the 70's. The underwater telephone (WQC-2) can be used for ship and sub underwater communication, but it wasn't on WWII sub's until the end of the war. It may have been invented because of attacks like this.
Why didn't they contact destroyers on radio?
@@davidanderson6747 They were on radio silence is my guess.
They mentioned it in the episode. Something to do with changing frequencies.
EVEN A LARGE WEATHER BALLOON PAINTED WITH THE STARS AND STRIPES WOULD WORK AS A FRIENDLY SHIP SIGNAL.
This historic account is EPIC!
No one died... but a lot of submariners on that sub sure went thru hell.
Pilots can be replaced, Admirals can be replaced but people can't.
WHAT?
@@johnrogan9420 Why do you suppose 9 people like and understood it, but not you ?
Fascinating bit of TV history. The story was pretty good, but the acting and dialog were under the carpet.
Note: During the war, the greatest damage to Japan's economy was done by our submarines sinking so much of their merchant fleet. In comparison, our bombers schwacked a lot more civilians, but the factories were already constrained by the lack of raw materials that were sunk with the merchant fleet. ... yet this show depicts the submariners implying that the bombers alone are wrecking the Japanese economy. The public has always wanted to believe, or have always been led to believe, that aircraft are more effective than they actually are.
(Aircraft are potent, but subs did more damage to Japan.)
What a GREAT story! I think...
I enjoy watching RUclips educational movies like the Silent Service instead of the hassles watching newer movies on other networks and the viruses you get for just logging on?
Those damn thrust bearings...
Dang, Pete, I'm LOVING that avatar. Seems familiar some how.
Today that captain would be relieved of command and possibly court-martialed. He should have sent a MOVREP (special report saying the ship will be late) as soon as he expected he would not make it out of the OPAREA in time. Knowing he had to do search and rescue first, he should not have acknowledged that order without informing COMSUBPAC what his operations were and that he could be delayed. COMSUBPAC would either tell the destroyers to expect to see the GALIBAN or would tell the GALIBAN to leave, knowing bigger picture information than one ship captain would. Once he knew he would stay in the area longer, the captain should have had his radiomen prepare the radios to talk on the destroyers' frequency and hail them as soon as there was a visual contact.
All the officers on these videos seem to have such stony faces and robotic voices, wonder why. Still I enjoy re-watching all these shows I remember from the 50's and 60's. Bravo Zulu! to Men of that generation from an old cruiser sailor. USS Newport News (CA-148) my time aboard 1968-69-70 Call sign THUNDER flag hoist; November - India - Quebec - Quebec Then onboard the USS Springfield (CLG-7) 71-72 Flag Hoist/Radio Call Sign: November - Whiskey - Delta - Mike "Fair Winds and Following Seas" Brothers
The reasons why are very simple. They aren't actors and they are reading the answers from 2 large boards out of camera sight. One for the host (the Rear admiral) and the other for the episodes' Guest. While the words are theirs, the expression is lost as they are trying to not get the reading wrong.
Question about the opening scene of the sub surfacing. That sub has to be about 160 degree angle emerging. How can the crew handle that?
Think that was the shot of the Sqaulis when it was raised and renamed the sailfish because of it
@@richardcarter8134 Really? So it was a shot of the Squalis being recovered? Can a manned submarine resurface at that angle?
topgeardel...an emergency blow does it now..went thru them on the USS Florida out of Kings Bay Ga
It isn't done by surprise, it is planned, hence the camera is there to get it on film, real film. Sub goes to test depth, probably 300 feet in this case and rings up a flank bell. Go full rise on the bow planes, blow the forward group of ballast tanks, wait, blow the aft group, and then hang the F on.
This was being a old series as called the "The Silent Service". My grand fathers brother did worked on a submarine ined WW#2 at driving around marines commandos to go on islands and do stuff to the japanese empire.
They haved 2 seasons and 78 diffrenter episodes, some others of them are on youtube too even. But too it is on dvd fromed Amazon too for $16.00 USD. Eached episode is about a diffrenter submarine and stuff did they do. Here is the URL from at Amazon if do you wished it on dvd:
www.amazon.com/Submarines-Silent-Service-World-War/dp/B0014A95SI/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3A1QFXQDRF9AP&keywords=the+silent+service&qid=1572575696&s=movies-tv&sprefix=the+silent+service%2Caps%2C182&sr=1-3
@Hoang Jet
Yeah, we know how to earn money. Sorry you don't live with us.
The submarine that your Grandfathers brother was on was either the USS Nautilus or USS Argonaut and the mission sounds like the Makin Island Raid.
@@webbtrekker534
Cool...thank you. I am tryd for writing a answer to you just but I am muted and I do haved troubles to writed stuff do I thinked in my head. It will taked me little ofed a while to writed it. sorry. And no I am not being a retard. Just I haved some ofed brains damaged as called aphasias from one of my fosters fathers hitted my head whened I was at 11.
Yeah, we know the series is called "The Silent Service" because we just watched an episode. And it's free on RUclips.
Am I wrong in thinking that ANY time the engines are run the batteries get charged?
Yes. Charging batteries requires tremendous mechanical energy, to run the generators. The energy drain means you cannot run the screws (propellers) at anything approaching full power. Traveling at the resulting low speed - during war patrol - puts the boat at risk of being easily overtaken by enemy surface craft. Charging was frequently done at night, outside of "hot" patrol areas.
@@shamanic1 You cant run the engines under water they used Battery only engines need air and get rid of the exhaust fumes.
Hey, thanks guys, all 3 of you. I've been wondering about that.
why a us sub cannot communicate with a us destroyer is beyond me.
How long did it take for batteries to be recharged?
Robert bishop Depended on how much power could be diverted from the propulsion motors. Normally battery charge from 2 of 4 engines cut cruise speed in half. Full charge from 2 engines about 6 to 8 hours, or more, again depending on many variables especially model and condition of the boat.
Why couldn't the Gabilan radio the destroyer? BTW I very much enjoy this series. Well done Admiral Damm.
why would you want the flares ,single light , when your under attack ?
Flares and the signal light were signaling they are a friendly submarine. Like on some firing ranges a flag or different colored flares indicate firing about to start or has stopped.
finally the destroyers worry about identifying the sub as the enemy.
I just don't get it. Why, on the second encounter, could they not simply contact the destroyers by radio?
From the narration of the first encounter, apparently it took an amazingly long time to change radio frequency - at least longer than it took the destroyers to close 5 miles (radar contact at 20,000 yd, opened fire at 12,000 yd) while the sub was running at flank+ speed (38 kn v 22 kn), which should have taken 15 minutes or more. I don't buy it, but, that's late '50s drama for you.
Transmitters of the period were clunky to tune in WWll as each frequency needed a crystal and tunable tank circuits, my father-in law a Marine said they had to hand wind tuning coils for the backpack radios and had a wopping 3 channels most of the time
4:16, its an SB2C Helldiver torpedo plane. I wonder if its one that my father helped make at Curtiss in Colol Ohio.? 2 men in there, pilot and rear gunner ???? TWO MEN in a Helldiver!!
It must have been stock footage they used . I wondered why a torpedo plane would be "bombing" land targets.
Avenger could carry bombs. LTJG George H W Bush was shot down on a bombing mission. No sense in letting TBMs take up hanger space just because there is nothing to torpedo.
@@jwrockets Appreciate the info but what has this got to do with my identifying the plane at 4:16 correctly as an SB2C Helldiver and not an Avenger ????????
Definitely a 'oops!'
There should have been some sort of code signal system in place to stop these friendly fire incidence !!!
That's what the smoke & flares were for. Standard procedure.
Wonder where “over and out” came from and why it is so prevalent in war movies . Another mistake I often see is pulling the pin on grenades before they are lobbed.Looks dramatic to someone who was never in the Army but that is impossible to do unless you have cast iron dentures.
"Over and Out" is a term when you are talking on a radio. 'Over' means I'm finished talking, now it's your turn. 'Out' means I'm going to start ignoring the radio because I have nothing more to say. You 'over' while you are talking to each other, when you have finished your conversation, you 'out' so now other people know you are done and they can start talking to each other.
What I want to know is. Who is Will and why is everyone so mad at him. Fire at Will.
In my time in the USN I also never heard anyone on the 1MC say "now hear this."
..."Pulling the pin on grenades before they are lobbed " is a mistake? So I guess the correct way is to lob them and then pull the pin? 💥☄
I believe he means pulling the pin by holding it with your teeth.
Ya cause the captain is also the radio man.
Volume gone the last few minutes
Wiskbroom..SANK SMALL UNIDENTIFIED CRAFT.🤧
A diesel sub has to be on the surfaced to recharge the batteries.. So they can charge while on the surface..Dont need to be stationary.. Maybe just for drama effect..
is hell under the sea
(22:35) Make this to destroyer: UP YOURS BUDDY!
Why couldn't they talk to each other?
@Donna Jones They weren't under radio silence; they replied by radio to acknowledge the orders to leave the area. But why they didn't tell ComSubPac they were actively picking up a downed flier - or why the destroyers didn't know they were on rescue duty for the bombing mission that was in progress - who knows
If they used bras like they did in "Operation Petticoat" they would have been Identified much sooner
Yeah, but unless you have women on board, you're not likely to have ant bras available, unless some one has to answer a LOT of questions
simply amazing, but also illogical acording to Mr. Spock.
Mr. Spock had NO guts/balls an could never make it in the Navy.
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Wow
It's OUT or OVER not over and out.
Wilco.
It's OUT or OVER *NOW.* Do we really know their exact radio procedure during WWII? I grew up hearing 'Over and out." That has to come from somewhere. Do it now and you'll be called a rank amateur. But back then?
Yes sir.! Out means conversation done. Over is time for the other station to reply. Roger means you understand and will comply. Retired Army 1SG here. 23 years active. Another 8 as an Army Instructor.
@@jstetzer01 Roger means I understand. To say "I understand and will comply" is Roger Wilco. At least in the Navy. Don't know how the Army does it. I thought they were all the same concerning radio procedure, but if you say in the Army Roger means I understand and will comply, then I'll take your word for it. But that's not the way is was in the Navy. At least not back in '78 to '82 when my brother served.
Whatever
What a harrowing story!
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guests aren't reading lines..noooo....thanks for sharing great old shows..
Just imagine having a handle "Rear" Admiral Thomas Dykers in today's political correct world.
its amazing how bad they were at iding ships...
Those are b17.. They used b29s
Actually, the first video view seems to be a flight of 3 B-17, then you have flights of B-29 and later bombing shows some B-24s. B-25s bombed Japan (Doolittle Raid) and B-24s/B25s bombed the Kuril Islands (Japanese/Russian Islands). So B-24s, B-24s, and, as you mentioned mainly B-29s bombed Japan. The "Lifeguard Missions" took place throughout the Pacific - Ciao, L (Veteran)
It not the silent service, but the relaxed service. I worry more on a cruise ship than these sailors.
A few years ago, I was on a large cruise ship in the Caribbean. Seas were high, and at 2;00 am the ship was pounding miserably. Not being able to sleep, I went to the place where passengers could ovrtlook the bridge. There was even a speed and direction indicator for me to see. We were doing about 20 knots. A ship's officer looked up and saw me. I motioned for him to come up. He did, and I said, "Please tell the Captain that if he reduces speed by two knots, this pounding will lessen." He grinned and went back to the bridge. They reduced speed by two knots, and the pounding almost stopped. Then, the Captain gave me a big thumbs-up. The next day, the Captain saw me in the main restaurant and wanted to talk shop.
@@composer1663 Great story, I hope you got paid.
@@freeagent8225 I did not get paid, but we had dinner with the Captain. I was surprised that with his 30 years experience, he had not learned the relationship between speed, distance between waves (period), and up-and-down motion. Most sailboat sailors learn that quite early.
Perché non trasmetti in lingua italiana
Doesn't make sense, they have to run diesel engines to charge batteries, so don't understand why the couldn't keep charging batteries.
marksfirst1 They DO.
you cant run a diesel engine underwater!? they could only charge the batteries when they were surfaced, but we are'nt talking about a modern battery charging system either back in them days the systems were highly inefficient compared to today's standards an sub could take hours to charge.
It's obvious that some of the statements made indicate that people don't understand the peculiar nature of submarine warfare. These episodes are very well done.
The propulsion is always electric, surface and submerged. The diesels were required to charge the batteries and supply electricity to the electric motors. Surface speed had to be balanced with the need to charge the batteries. Running at flank speed, they were unable to charge their batteries.
I have been watching a lot of these over the last few days and I never knew that all the second in command were such complainers and always questioning the captain on everything he did.
The commander needs to have a advocate available to insure the commander does not oversee an important fact, this is always done with the greatest respect, I have been there and been on all sides of this dynamic. I works and always will.
couldn't they charge the battery and run the prop at the same time why did they have to stop the charge to go pick up suvivors
...they weren't smart enough to think of that(?)
Because the Captain initially wanted flank speed which means all output of the diesels goes into surface propulsion and no power is directed to recharging the batteries.
they needed maximum speed to get in & get out - an engine that is charging battery can't do propulsion.
Merle Morrison Absolutely it can..batteries were charged on surface while underweigh on diesel power and when using a snorkel the diesels were used for charging too.
wrong - WW2 boats did not have snorkels - check your history
Over and Out!!! Tsk tsk tsk!!!
wait I am not Eric.
?What?
U ikon(
During this time the Japanese i57 sub managed to slip away when the Americans were chasing their own sub which nearly cost the the war by more than 10 months. i57 was transporting sensitive cargo and managed to reach it's destination but luckily the cargo was destroyed in the docks by bombers before it was brought to dry land. It's said that the slipping away of the Japanese sub was hushed and covered up until the archives were opened up to the public after 50 years.
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Mm
14:27. Here we see the exaggeration of the Americans - "Contacted and sank small vessel" - Oh no they didn't.
We should have hired Gerble for a propaganda.
That skipper should've been court-martialed for willfully disobeying his orders risking his ship and all men aboard. Save one flyer lose the ship and 89 men. That's just plain dumb and insubordinate. In today's navy that skipper would no longer be in command.
I'du've sank that destroyer!
Too bad silent service didn’t have das boot to appreciate how submariners actually lived on their boats.. in silent service, submariners are clean shaven, clean uniforms and act like they don’t have a care in the world. Another Hollywood flick with actors that apparently never spent a day on a submarine, let alone during wartime.
Silent service was a U.S. Navy official.production using and when possible using the actual submariners and naval personel. The reason s for what you mentioned should be obvious, the only reason the Navy agreed to this was that it would provide excellent PR or called propaganda at the time, at at time they were badly in need of new, volunteer recruits to help replace the mass exodus that took place after the war. Because they wanted people to be fascinated and attracted to the Navy in general and the Submarine service in particular they didn't really want to make it look terrifying, filthy, suicidal, and repulsive to those who watch these shows. Showing scenes like what was in das boot would been counterproductive in other words. Just so you know that movie was made long after thecwsr. I don't even think the germs would have showed it during the war I to try and attract people to the service.
Are you suggesting that silent service pr films found it necessary to mislead potential recruits to join the submarine service by misrepresenting what life on a submarine is really like? I don’t think so. I think these films were produced by military personnel who had no clear understanding or experience in serving on a submarine during wartime and presented the concept in an overly simplistic view
Whine & complain, it's dramitised tv show.
True heros but I quit at ten minutes. Of course, one has to give thought as to when it was made and that it was basically propaganda but so very amature. Jumping around showing aircraft that did not fit the story in anyway. Poorly done when you know that the archives have proper film bits that could have been used.
Really? It was 1958 when it was produced, so give them a break. The fact is that they are terrific stories and the chance to see the real person involved. Suspend your disbelief for a while and enjoy the series, imperfect as they might be.
*amateur, not amature. If You can't spell, then don't comment. Absolutely pathetic on your part.
Pity the dialogue is so corny
A lot of this doesn't make any sense. If they can't see the flares through the fog then how can they see to get a gun solution?. aim with radar but that's not perfect. also it said there's no time to dial in the destroyers radio freq...? huh.?? and the were on the surface for hours and couldn't charge the batteries?? Someone dropped the ball and is making up stories here, They risked the ship to pick up one pilot.. Not a good decision. Even the pilot would agree. That's court marshal material not following orders to leave the area.
ahh rescuing pilots was there job
It seems to me that at least some of it is made up. The statement was made that the Captain was from Birmingham, AL. Well, records show differently:
www.findagrave.com/memorial/111932010/karl-raymond-wheland
@@waynethompson8416 -- Captain William B. Parham, not Karl Raymond Wheland Captain USS Gabilan (SS-252), 28 Dec 1943 - 13 Dec 1944, during this patrol.
"Gabilan's sixth and last war patrol (20 June - 17 August 1945) was on lifeguard station for American fliers off Tokyo Bay. She first rescued six men, the crews of two torpedo bombers, then raced well inside Tokyo Bay, in easy range of shore batteries, to rescue another three-man crew. Six Navy Hellcat fighter planes gave her cover for the mission. On the way out, she paused to destroy a drifting mine with gunfire. On 1 August, she rendezvoused with USS Toro and received 3 British fliers rescued earlier by that submarine. Altogether, on this patrol, Gabilan rescued 17 aviators." - Wikipedia
Um Court Martial, not "Court Marshal". A Marshal is a law enforcement officer. Looks like you are another sad product of the American educational system.
BAD ACTING!
No, but certainly BAD commenting on your part!