The CRAZY Proposal For A New US "Super State" - Greater Idaho
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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▶ In this video, I talk about the crazy proposal and movement to turn Idaho into a super state by adding to it the eastern part of Oregon and potentially northern California. Understanding the origins of this movement in the rural vs urban differences; how many of the counties in Oregon are actually supporting this; but how it is ultimately doomed to failing for the same reason it exists: they are outnumbered in the state when it comes to voters - in addition to the fact that Federal institutions would never allow it to happen due to the precedent it would set.
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▶ TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
00:26 What If Idaho Was More Interesting?
01:14 Origins Of The Movement
02:32 Does It Make Sense?
02:53 Comparing Idaho & Oregon's Policies
05:32 Why They Think It's Possible
05:56 Voting By Counties & Scaling Back The Proposal
06:44 Current Status & How 12 Counties Have Voted In Favor
07:44 What Happens Next? Nothing?
08:32 Obstacles At A Federal Level
09:00 But What If It Happened?
09:10 Impact On Idaho's Size & Population
09:58 Inverted Impact On Oregon's Size & Population
10:24 Chosen Capital & Other Effects
10:50 Summary
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*Do you think this idea is a) crazy or b) really crazy?*
It is a damned good idea.
Really crazy
B
It’s a great idea both Washington and oregon ignore the population outside of the I-5 corridor
If the counties want it then good for them but only if Alaska annexes the rest lol
Eastern Washington State is very conservative. They would probably want to join the Idaho empire.
Middle Washington state is conservative, eastern Washington has blue spots, eastern Oreo doesn't
Spokane, Tri and Pullman would never joint Idaho lol. Moscow barely wants to be part of Idaho.
Some counties in SE Washington already have joined the effort. Some counties in SW Washington are redder even than Eastern Washington, my guess is eventually they will want to join as well, the Portland area and Puget Sound need to be isolated like a disease carrier.
@@josuelopez3145you’ve never been to eastern Washington or talked to people then. I’m from Tri. Joining Idaho is the dominant opinion
The problem with the underfunded state of IdaZaziHo annexing the poorest and most underfunded parts of Washington, Oregon and maybe even a sliver of California is that the state of "greater" IdaNaziHo would be flat broke and rapidly bankrupt. All of the "conservative" rural areas in the country are heavily subsidized by the actually productive urban areas.
As an Idahoan I want a new flag lol
We Need A New Flag
We Need A New Flag
We Need A New Flag
Agreed, our seal is badass, but we don’t need it to be the focus of our flag.
You need a new flag
(And as a Virginian so do we)
7:10 For anyone curious, btw, the measure passed, making it 13 counties who passed it, and leaving 4 who haven’t scheduled it yet
I am fairly educated on government function, but how exactly does something like this work? Does the measure only pass in the counties voted into effect or will it pass over all if the majority vote is insisted? Or do all counties need to vote yes?
@@morninmichigan1824 It's just the counties that voted yes. It's not that big of a deal if all counties vote yes or not, they're not leaving the US or anything. If need be you could just drive through the counties that want to stay with Oregon.
This is what happens when the people in power treat you like shit
Nothing? Nothing is what happens?
@@vipermad358No, populist uprisings happen. We don’t know what the ultimate fallout will be.
Oh boo hoo! You poor little victim! How terrible that you aren't allowed to MOVE
Why are people mad about making a majority democratic decision to move from a state they feel isn’t representing them?
It’s wild.
@@SkipBaley-hb6nc Who's keeping you from moving? MOVE! GET OUT! But you don't get to STEAL 2/3 of Oregon! And by the way, that's the opinion of the MAJORITY of Oregonians. Just LEAVE!
If we allow the Idaho boarders change. Then I suggest the Dakota’s unify.
Indeed, it is time to talk about Dakotan Reunification. The two regimes have been in a cold... very cold, actually... war for far too long.
Agreed, there shouldn’t be two of em. #UnifiedDakota
Texas also needs to annex the Oklahoma panhandle
But I like 4 Dakotan Senators
With west Minnesota joining
Did he seriously just call Portland,OR moderate to liberal? This is the place where CHAZ popped up. They are not moderate they are as far liberal as you can go.
I think his general knowledge is limited by whatever a Wiki page says.
Chaz/chop was in Cap Hill in Seattle. Portland had "RHAZ" (red house AZ), and the lengthy siege of the federal building at the same time though, and in general there was a free flow of rioters and money between the two, so its easy to mix up.
He pronounced Boise "Boys" when it is actually pronounced "Boy-zee".
I was thinking "did this guy really just call the city that decriminalized all drugs moderate" 😂
European moment
Back when the border between Montana and Idaho was made, Idaho was not concerned about size, or even $$. Gold was located in the mountainous area where Montana seems to take territory from Idaho, and Idaho didn't want it because they didn't want all the people coming in for a gold rush and bringing all of the problems with them. They actually wanted the gold cut out of their border, and the Federal Government honored that wish. Otherwise, I think both Montana and Idaho would be rectangles like Colorado and Wyoming. This was covered on an episode of a show called "How the States Got Their Shapes". Pretty interesting situations covered by the show.
I think you might be mixing up with WA? WA used to control the Idaho Panhandle, but then Gold was discovered there and with brought a lot of crime, WA then carved it out, and Idaho remained with the left over pieces.
@@greasher926 I never heard about the border with Washington. What I heard was definitely related to Montana. Maybe both are true.
@@jnmsks6052It was washington, the montana border was made by an idaho territorial judge who had a grudge against the then idaho territory for being appointed into the middle of nowhere
It wasn't just the gold. At the time, Montana honored the 2A more than Idaho did, and the people who were mining gold wanted the right to protect their gold with guns from their preferred source. So they voted to be part of Montana rather than Idaho.
@@johnphipps4105what?
Great Potatoland
Love the name 😂
Idahana
Exactly! I was thinking the only reason Idaho might want this part of Oregon would be to have ALL of the potatoes, not just most of them. They could call the state Ore-Ida like the potato brand, too. 🤣
Capital: Potatopia
Leader: The Grand Potate
@@KurusuPanda it would be Mr. Potato from peppa pig
Eastern parts of Washington also wants this from what I hear.
Eastern Oregon, Wasington and Northern California: "We want to be part of Idaho"
Idaho: "Leave us alone, we're good"
Oh yeah, eastern washington is so seperate from Seattle
Yes there are SE Washington counties now involved. Actually the Idaho legislature approved this effort, many of these Oregon counties are so red they will make Idaho even more conservative, counter balancing Californians moving to Boise.
But Eastern Washington has some sizable cities that probably don't want this.
@@jon9103 Maybe, I'm just stating that area has expressed the same things.
Let's just form our own state.
"And that kids, was the beginning of the First Most Rural and Bountiful Idahoan Empire. Now on to the the Covid-30 Outbreak".
NOOO
Glory to the Idahoan empire!
Praise be the potato
@@planescapedthe most glorious food source
Its funny, the longer the Greater Idaho movement goes on, the more territory they want to annex. Originally it was just a little bit of Oregon. Now they want almost all of Oregon and a chunk of California, too.
Wait until they join Alberta
Wait, it's all Idaho?!
Never has been...
Almost a fusion of Idaho and Jefferson seccession!
Next up are parts of southern and eastern Washington
@@NightOwlErin Yeah, and Spokane wants none of that nonsense.
All the people in Nampa and Boise would have to drive a lot farther for their medicinal fix.
Ikr!!!
It's why Wallowa County only passed by 7 votes and I'm pretty sure you'd need a wider majority than that to even be excepted
Idaho might reject it specifically over the refusal to lose access to weed
I used to work in the Cannabis industry in Oregon. The highest selling cannabis retailers are all in this little city on the border of Idaho called Ontario. That city alone sells significantly more than Portland. All of the dispensaries are owned by people from Idaho and the only license plates you see are from Idaho.
Can confirm
What really needs to happen is a deep understanding of what divides us as Americans. For example, I don’t see anyone complaining about how corporations have more say in congress than the taxpayers.
I knew the potato ppl were gonna conquer us eventually.
Better then than the pod people from Cali.
Eastern Oregon would be better off by teaming up with Eastern Washington and doing their own thing, along with Jefferson being a thing
The problem with trying ti create a new state is that it will automatically be opposed by the states that vote the opposite direction to the counties of the proposed new state. Because it'll more greatly upset the balance of the electoral collage.
Yes, I agree with this. As an Idahoan, I have no desire for Eastern Oregon to be part of Idaho or even Eastern Washington.
some counties in Maryland similarly talked about joining West Virginia recently!
Oh yeah, I remember that. Everyone laughed them off because counties don’t have a right to secede.
@@ferretyluv then i guess the ones wanting to join Idaho don't either
@dguy0386
The problem all of these movements for state boarder changes is that the state governments need to agree to it
@@ferretyluv the 3 West Virginia panhandle states voted to leave Virginia and join West virginia. Not only do people in the USA have the right to self determination, it has happened multiple times before. Borders have been changed via interstate compact over 100 times. Not only is their leaving the state possible, it has concrete legal precedent.
@@betalis7 They seceded from Virginia to stay in the union. But we had a whole civil war about whether secession is a right. Spoiler alert: Union won and secession is not a right. We even have a whole constitutional amendment about it. Your right to self determination is move to West Virginia if you don’t like Maryland.
Yes is an amazing idea. People outside the urban areas are tired of being told how to live their lives.
We in Boise vote for our mayor and then our governor and legislature supersedes her because they are from different political parties. The rural voters decide our policies.
Who told you how to live your lives? In what way did they demand you change the way you live?
@@blu-jay599 The rural voters feed you. You start bringing in your own groceries and paying your own bills, then you'll have a right to dictate how the household is run.
@@PendeltonWhiskey "You can't drive that tractor! It has emissions!" "You can't kill that deer for food! It has feelings!" "You can't tell us not to groom your kids! We have boners!"
@@blu-jay599 57% of you in Boise voted for the governor and only 29% voted for the liberal. You're not the Democrat stronghold you pretend to be
I lived and traveled the whole thing for most of my life and it definitely should separate itself.
As an Oregonian from Medford Oregon, I would so be aposed to this idea. Where would the benefit be for Southern Oregon? I am ok with the boundaries where they are.
There is none for either side, and I am opposed to this as well, mainly because I have spent time in your city and Ashland, and it's not something I would want in Idaho.
@@EL.JEFE1231 how rude!😱
@@Erin60147@Erin60147 I'm sorry, but it's a beautiful area. The people there differ from what we would want in Idaho, and I am sure the number of them has worsened, like the rest of the coastal area.
Southern Oregon and Nor Cal will become the State of Jefferson
Am i crazy for being down for redrawing states? Vermont and new Hampshire, Kansas and Missouri, the Dakotas, idk bro I'd be interested in the conversation
Despite their close proximity, Vermont and New Hampshire have significantly different cultures. New Hampshire tends to have a lot more libertarian elements in its state politics. Where as Vermont has a much more collectivist stance on economic issues. You also have to consider Vermont was an independent country for 14 years. Kansas and Missouri also have significant differences in ideological beliefs and culture. The Dakotas have separate economic interests. South Dakota bases its economy around finance, and North Dakota bases its economy around raw resource extraction.
Why would two states with 4 Senators want to merge and get 2 Senators instead? With a loss in the House as well?
Never.
Gonna.
Happen.
i would love it honestly as a seattlite, the current borders especially in the west take very little real geological or population features into account and it would be nice if states in the northwest combined more. maybe this could lead to that
The land size doesn't matter. The fact they would be bunching poor rurals together with more poor rurals and allowing the cities to forget about them matters.
When you put it that way along with how much of this is voluntary.
I'd say go for it 😂.
The cities already forgot about eastern Oregon. That's why they want a government that listens to them.
@@RedStateSecessionwhat exactly are the cities ignoring from the rural areas?
@@Flk0217 How about little things such as equal representation, property rights and voting rights? Not to mention taxation.
I have to ask: what makes you believe that all of these rurals are :poor"? Isn't that rather a classist and condescending attitude to take? Or does that not matter to you?
I don't think it's a bad thing for states borders to be redrawn provided it has local widespread support, the borders were drawn over a hundred years ago for these place and the demographics have shifted.
It actually has a huge underlying issue, stemming from the fact that conservative populations and progressive populations aren't monolithic concepts but cover a wide range of perceptions on all of the issues. These terms are broad strokes, not strictly defined concepts of people who absolutely agree with each other. To give a typical example, there are many pro-gun Democrats and many pro-women's rights Republicans. There are laissez-faire Democrat capitalists, and there are Republicans who are so communal they're essentially living in a socialist mini-society.
It's just... not as simple as drawing a few new lines on a map. Once you get started, you're going to keep creating new lines if you want to pretend there's any consistency to the method. Without that, it's just arbitrary, so why do it at all?
@@Melesniannonyou make a fair point, that being said we are more divided than ever.
@@Melesniannon Republicans are significantly more (lawfully) armed than Democrats (2:1) according to Pew Research. Also, most pro-life/anti-abortion people would not consider themselves anti-women's rights - the most staunchly pro-life folks you'll meet will be women.
I do agree that not "everyone" believes the same way in these regions - but this is essentially true everywhere, but at some point, you need to break down large geographical regions into manageable areas for governing. Ideally, the majority of the residents' interests should be represented by that government. The needs/desires of Portland are very different than the ranchers east of the mountains, which, for the most part, are being ignored. Perhaps they just didn't go far enough east.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I can easily accept your statistic, it doesn't change that these people exist and live everywhere...
It's a bad idea to think that just because somebody is a woman they can't be anti-woman's rights. They can and some quite viciously are so, because they hold a perspective that women don't have the rights they have. Their entire agenda is based on limiting women's rights to the exact level they want, and they'll keep the ones they do approve of. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition.
If we use a different example to understand this: dictators tend to be anti-human rights. They loathe free speech for example. Are we going to claim that they can't be anti-human rights, because dictators are undeniably humans?
The geography *is* broken down into manageable areas. Besides the state lines, there's counties with lower levels of government.
So you claim that rancher's needs are ignored. How exactly?
@@Melesniannon You need to sit down with a pro-life woman and ask your questions directly. Most pro-life women I know do not consider themselves anti-woman's right because they believe an unborn baby is another body not their own. Our own laws even support this notion - if someone assaults a pregnant woman and she miscarriages - that person can be tried for homicide.
Dictator example is not applicable. Rights are a shared mythology in free society, nothing more. We pick and choose them and define their constraints - there are no/few absolute rights. Even free speech is limited by liable. All rights have limits. Sometimes rights are suspended for a greater good (COVID lockdowns?).
A video about Cascadia would be really cool too
The thing that proponents of Greater Idaho seem to forget is that even if this crazy plan gets support from Oregon state and the federal government, by US law, Idaho would have to pay up to get this land. I doubt they are willing to do that.
You really believe the U.S. as it is will continue to exist another few years?
@@Wilhelmofdeseretyes, what
@@troyminer7 good lord. People like you are going to so unprepared for the future and only put yourselves and your own families at risk.
@@Wilhelmofdeseret Yes, stop larping and go outside
@@nategalt5613 Go touch grass bud
Hello, good video, I’m from bend! Bend is in deschutes county, which I think is one of the last proposed counties to not vote. Deschutes county is overall pretty balanced between red and blue, but most of that blue comes from Bend, which is why greater Idaho’s proposal is to cut deschutes county in half, leaving bend in Oregon. That would be really weird because Redmond, a neighboring city that’s about a 25 minute drive away, would be in idaho. We Bendites drive to Redmond often because of the airport, so it’d be strange if that became an interstate thing.
i mean it wouldnt actually be all that strange. such things are normal for people living near borders, which you would be if this came to fruition
@@diliscollective9743 which it never will
@@diliscollective9743ok whatever bro lmao
@@ceebs7263you don't think people that live right on a border don't go to the other state often?
@@gh3meister I’m not talking about people who live right on a border im talking about myself who has lived in bend and has been regularly traveling between bend and Redmond most of my life, I think it’d be a little strange for us who live here if Redmond was suddenly considered to be in Idaho. That’s all. I understand that nothing would actually really change about the drive.
As an idahoan, i dont believe its boring, especially up north. The mountains and forests are beautiful and in the small towns there are plenty of beautiful trails and paths to walk down and explore. Up where i live in deary, there is a small mountain perfect for an afternoon hike, and the small population is perfect for introverts, but supprisingly not suppresing for extroverts. Everyone knows everyone and you can trust your neighbors and not worry about much crime.
Right?! This person used a Wiki page to make this; he clearly knows nothing about the state; you can go from top to bottom and see two different landscapes and not leave the state.
I live nowhere near Idaho and Idaho was not a state that I thought was “boring”. I don’t think any states are boring honestly, but if I had to choose it’s probably Indiana. It’s called the “Crossroads of America” because it’s always a state that people drive past to get to another state 😂.
I misheard the part about the flag as him calling the state "flat" and I found that downright offensive.
It's so mountain-y and hill-y that Idk how anyone could call it flat.
Then I realized that's not what he said and I calmed down lol.
But still, I don't get the idea that Idaho is a boring state. In terms of nature, it's downright fantastic.
The times I hear people call Idaho boring are usually from fellow Idahoans who are joking to paint the state as a terrible place to live, so other people stop moving here.
@@AlexTheGuy64 fr people from texas and florida keep moving here and buying people's property because they have the money to make an offer most of us cant refuse. They bought some of my neighbors land and set up a car repair center in the worst place possible. All the cars literally park in the middle of our drive way, but the mayor wont do anything about it cause they have money.
Great video, congrats.
Not crazy, but self-determination.
Making a state purely based on party division shows that you have a massive problem.
If Democrats didn't trample so hard on the people of Eastern Oregon, they wouldn't have reached their breaking point. Oregon has turned itself into a post-apocalyptic hellhole with every sidewalk covered in people dying of drug overdoses. It's infested with both violent and property crime, and nobody can afford their bills anymore. Now they passed one of the most restrictive gun control/confiscation laws in the U.S., and they're wondering why people are mad? I voted down ballot for Democrats the last two elections and look where that got us. They treat us rural voters like we ain't even people.
I want this to happen, because it makes it more likely that Upstate NY, or at the very least WNY can leave NY.
The case of New York brings up a different question. There's a lot of talk about states becoming split. Well, in the case of New York and Illinois, and I read in the comments that Missouri is like this too: What would need to happen legally for a state to boot out a few counties that ruin an entire state? NY has everything from Westchester County south, IL has Cook County, and MO has Saint Louis County.
Secessionionists unite they will never hold us.
Nobody is preventing You from moving!
@@seveglider8406, that's what they're doing by wanting to redraw the state lines.
@@metallica1fan1 WAKE UP! There are many people who don't want state lines to be withdrawn. Here is a hypothetical situation. If state lines are changed, and You don't want to be a citizen of the new state, why should You be forced to be a citizen of the new state? Everybody is free to have wherever they want. You're not happy where You live? SHUT UP AND MOVE! Millions of Americans have been doing it since we became a Republic!
@@seveglider8406sorry buddy, maybe you should
@@user-bn8jv8bv1v Maybe I should do WHAT? Be Specific and try to construct a cogent thought!
A government of the people, by the people, and for the people needs to serve the people. If that’s what the voters/constituents want . . . Do it.
On the other hand, if it’s all just a bunch of ideas and talk, then putting it on a ballot measure will prove it’s nothing more than an idea when the citizen vote that idea down.
Damn
It's what voters in many of those countries want but probably not what most voters in Oregon want. Which voters get to decide?
12 counties already voted in favor of it
The voters in the concerned counties, why would someone in Portland get to decide whether a person on a different county gets to be considered part of one state or another
As someone from western Washington but outside of the I-5 corridor, the liberal sections of the state completely ignore anything outside of I-5. Our town has been looking to build a bypass for decades since rush hour will completely close the town down with traffic. Then when I-5 closes it gets ten times worse. The bypass started construction in 2009, and about half was finished in 2011. Still sits unfinished to this day, and currently puts any bypassing traffic onto neighborhood streets and as it stands won’t be completed till 2026(work is going to resume this summer apparently). The greater idaho movement is because of the liberal government’s failure to listen to the needs of the people.
You live in a town that only exists because of that freeway. Now you're too good for it.
@@smileymalaise no it’s thirty minutes away from the interstate however due to a military base any time there’s an accident that closes the interstate our two lane road becomes gridlocked
I like how you say “the people” as if the people mentioned are the majority of people in the state 💀
@@PrinceFrogFrog that doesn't matter whatsoever. Just because people are a minority means that the cities get to neglect and abuse them regularly? What an imbecilic suggestion.
@PrinceFrogFrog They’re still “the people”, just because they’re the little guys doesn’t mean you get to ignore them
1. Local to Idaho here, this has been something wanted for quite a long time, however recently it's been coming back into the mainstream due to increased frustration with other states, due to thing such as the large amount of people moving here from places such as California.
2. Atleast in the past, eastern Washington was included in the idea to join, however due to some political differences, such as the legalization of marijuana, has made joining this part of the plan significantly less likely.
wanted by them not by us, I don't want either section to part of Idaho
It needs to happen.
yes to this and upstate ny break away from nyc
Idaho for the most part doesn't want this. A few politicians were listening because they could border the ocean and have a port. But most of these counties in East Oregon are poorer than the majority of counties in Idaho. East Oregon has a way older population than the majority of Idaho. Those small towns are dying off quick.
Idaho could really benefit with access to the sea
I live in Eastern Idaho, the idea of a "Greater Idaho" is especially unpopular here. Also, we already have a sea port within state lines in Lewiston at the confluence of the Snake and Clearwater Rivers.
I am from Oregon and understand why the rural folks feel ignored. The folks in Idaho should be against this. The GDP of these Oregon counties (excluding DeChutes, as this county is more aligned with western Oregon) is very low and there is a massive amount of territory involved that would be a huge economic drain for Idaho to support.
Native Idahoan, no I definitely don't want this.
I want it what are you talking about? (I live in boise)
The tax money from the western parts of Oregon and Washington pay for many services in their respective easts...Them leaving would result in a large drop in quality of life
It’s already really low.
Then maybe the legislators should have listened...
their choice,
@@alexshepherd4286 clearly you fail to grasp the reality. I have a feeling that's familiar territory for you
@@PendeltonWhiskey It's called civil war, is what I'm referring to. In a news article, the people who are for this change said "At least we tried the right way" when asked "what happens if this does not get approved" I think it's a classic left wing attitude to stoop down to insults when having a discussion.
As an Idahoan I’m all for it, eastern Oregon is such a beautiful place, and it saddens me that Oregon higher up’s don’t care about it very much and don’t know how to take care of it. Also I chuckled a bit when you said Bois, the capital is pronounced Boy-sea
Our thoughts exactly. We effectively have zero representation in our state legislature despite hold 38 of the 87 total seats. Let those higher-ups and their brainless zombie hordes keep their crumbling cities. As far as they're concerned, people out here aren't so much citizens as tax slaves.
What would happen if the east side population of Oregon and Washington just said no and metaphorically severed the hands robbing their pockets? How would the states respond? They have to know that poking the proverbial bear of 750,000 angry people isn't the best idea, especially when the area they have to cover effectively negates their numbers advantage and the people they're trying to bring to heel know the land like the backs of their hands and have the weapons to defend their homes, the will to fight and the knowledge to be self-sufficient.
What is the app that you use to do those videos
As an Idahoan, I say that there are ethnic Idahoan minorities in Oregon and Washington that need to be protected
not by us
@EL.JEFE1231 We must liberate the Idahoan language using areas of surrounding States. The Idaho Empire should consider absorbing portions of Alberta and the Yukon, too.
@@josepetersen7112 I'm good with what we have
@@EL.JEFE1231 I mean, me to, but I do think it's funny.
The "don't California my Oregon! If you don't like it, move!" crowd should really take their own advice.
The people saying “don’t California my Oregon” are from Portland. Californians aren’t moving to a sparsely populated dry stretch of flat land east of the Cascades.
The phrase was "don't Californicate my Oregon" and it was 40 years ago. Didn't work obviously, not just an influx of libs from Cal and NY but mostly as a result of the Marxist's " long march through the institutions".
Ummm.. have you been to Bend lately?
😂😂😂😂
V
Combine Southern Oregon and Northern Cal from Chico to Eugene...that's all.
@@craigjohnston3431 yes born and raised now its a liberal melting pot comparable to Portland. a literal mess of Progressives not compatable with who we are. we are out voted and have NO voice. you ought to try it you wont like unless your progressive. that seems to be the difference. water and oil dont mix. GREATER IDAHO is a great solution and the people have spoken just do your research!!!
I am fully in favor of this. I'm from Utah, but I think it's important to support our Idahoan brothers! (even if the border between us is tiny)
No. For territory to be removed from a state, the affected state's legislature has to allow it.
Whoa you must be really smart to figure that one out.
Washington and Oregon are also geographically divided by the Cascade Mountains. Coastal Oregon and Coastal Washington should form one state while eastern Oregon and eastern Washington do the same
I am curious about what this would do to the balance of power in the U.S. House of Representatives, i.e. how many Representatives Greater Idaho would have and how many Oregon and California would lose.
That's really the big picture: the national impact.
Fairly small. California would probably not lose any - the counties in far Northeast California are essentially empty, as are the East Oregon counties. Together they make up half of a Congressional district, if that. And even if one changed hands, it would be trading an Oregon or California Republican into an Idaho Republican - no change in balance of power.
@@pharmesq We're not completely empty in this area of California!😒
literally no difference whatsoever. ALL of Eastern Oregon shares ONE representatives with Southwest Oregon, while all the other representatives are squished into the NorthWest
Idaho only has 2 representatives and 2 senators we need more population😭
It would be insignificant. No changes in the Senate and at most 1 more representative for Idaho, but probably not
Boy C, not Boy Z
Whoever came up with this idea should be arrested for the high crime of border gore
How is it border gore?
As an Idahoan I’m fervently against this plan as it would involve massive debts and tax hikes to pay for all of oregons state lands and a portion of the debt that oregon took out to develop said territory and the territory itself is economically desolate I’ve been there dozens of times and it’s always been back water.
Me too friend, me too!
You're aware it's conservatives moving in, not liberals right?
I feel like this would be pretty dangerous, not only will it set a precedent like described in the video, I think it would return the nation to a pre-Civil War mentality of loyalty to your state over the union (assuming the precedent is followed), since why would you want to be in a union with many opposing opinions, when every state is mostly homogeneous in its ideas.
As An Idahoan Myself, I Find This Proposal Insane. We’re Completely Irrelevant And We Don’t Need Eastern Oregon Nor Northern California.
I agree, we have plenty of shit to fix internally as is
Yeah, please don't remove the 42 Parallel border
That’s your inner western selfishness at work. Is there any reason for it to actually be insane? Not if a majority of people want it to happen and as an eastern Washington resident I speak for many people we’d rather be In state more conservative and has a more similar culture.
@@Wilhelmofdeseret Yeah, Idaho Doesn’t Wanna Pay Several Billion Dollars For The Crappy Scraps Of Washington And Oregon.
@@the.mr.schrader lmao 💀 bro how old are you? You talk like a child. You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think eastern Washington is “crappy”. Eastern Washington is richer than Idaho lol. It would be worth spending even a few billion. Go give the phone back to mommy and daddy kid
Half the people of Crook County want to join Idaho, but the other half don't. They will end up remaining with Oregon, 'cause ain't no such things as halfway Crooks
County partitions have happened before and can happen again. When a county gets populated enough it often splits into 2 counties, it's a very common occurrence that has happened many a time throughout US history in virtually every state.
Why not throw in Eastern Washington? Then call it Greatest Idaho!
And then annex Montana, MegaIdaho
@@General.Knowledge HAHAHA!
@@General.Knowledge Nah Idaho doesn't want to deal with the gold mines in Montana, that's why they gave away parts of the North to montana, they didn't want the hassle of dealing with tens of thousands of gold miners and prospectors complicating things.
Greatest Idaho would be reuniting the old Idaho Territory and reabsorbing Montana
Montana is happy as Montana . We are also happy remaining neighbors and friends with Idaho . We would support giving Idaho more voting power in DC as they are conservative like us
Sounds like a conservative land grab to me. Why would an entire state cede all their airable land to a minority of folks who don't go to the cities anyway? Taxes from urban city districts support the infrastructure that extends into rural areas as well. Will there be a large enough tax base to support rural development, maintenance, sanitation, as well as conservation efforts to preserve the why of life people will expect? Yes, cities are noisy, dirty, costly, complicated, stressful, etc. etc. They are also convenient, diverse, vibrant, thrilling, collectivist, and offer economic opportunities. People from cities also enjoy the peace and quite the country offers as well. Why would cities want to give up all that land to a few people and never get to enjoy it, or feel unwelcomed if they just wanted to do some fishing, hiking, boating or hunting.
A better ideia. What about just fixing the election system of America?
We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
This reminds me of an event in HOI4 where Hungary suddenly decides it should own more land and calls itself "Greater Hungary", and the event says that they are a bit full of themselves.
Except it wasn't Idaho that declared this, the original movement was called "Move Oregon's Border For a Greater Idaho" because it was based in Oregon
Also greater Hungary makes sense because of the large Hungarian population, includeing areas of Hungarian majority in the lands they claimed.
And it wasn't sudden. They always claimed it. The event was trying to push for an enforcement of the claims
“You're livin' in your own Private Idaho
Livin' in your own Private Idaho
Underground like a wild potato” 🥔 😂
Great B-52s reference, but not related to the conversation at hand. Private Idaho was a metaphor for a particular person, not a political entity.
As an Idahoan I wouldn't mind this idea coming true
RUclipsr: criticizes idaho state seal
Me: did you know the idaho state seal was the only one designed by a woman?
I disagree mate, big time. Example: love how it looks.
Love the video! Just a note the capital of Idaho is pronounced “boy-see”
I'd pronounce it more like boy-zee
@@k0pstl939 It's a regional thing honestly, I am from the Midwest, and I grew up pronouncing it boy-zee but I'm going to college in Idaho and there are some people who are very particular about pronouncing it as boy-see.
@@grantmiller9614 Yeah, born and raised in Boy C. We know immediately if you're not from here if you say it Boyzee.
An idea like this has been popping up every so many years since I don't know when, and I am in my 60s.
bro just roasted us so bad 💀
As an idahoan I'm personally against this. Our government doesn't know what to do with the land it currently has now. Teachers and doctors are fleeing the state on mass because of the legislations that have been passed. Its getting harder and harder to live here all the time. I don't want to subject more people to our government's incompetence.
Just move broski. You seem to disagree with the direction of Idaho's government. You'd probably enjoy Cali more.
@@StopMutingMeDude123 the big thing for me is that I want to see my home state get better. The more people like me who leave the state the less likely things will improve. That's what the conservatives want. Idaho has been my home my entire life. I want to see it become a better place to live. The land is too beautiful to have such a hostile culture in my opinion.
Also it's not necessarily possible for me to move somewhere else right now. I don't have the money or the means to do so right now. Also if open primaries becomes a thing it will be a lot easier to get rid of the crazies running things right now.
@zero69kage “That’s what conservatives want” as you refuse a conservative plan to add a bunch of people to the state
@@mcarrowtime7095 they want to add conservative people, and get rid of everyone else.
@@mcarrowtime7095 Probably a lot more conservatives tbh.
How about including all land east of the Cascade range in Washington? The majority of those in eastern Washington would agree. If that doesn't work, I will move back to where I used to live in Oregon.
It would be difficult to get some parts of eastern Washington, like Spokane, to agree to this
Idaho native, Spokane is in Washington, I don’t want extra places or people we are good. We constantly get dumped on from coastal people, that’s ok lol😂
@@user-qv1jx3ss8xIf you made sense I could probably agree with you. I was born in Orofino, you know where that is right? Now i live in eastern Washington, you don't get to many of those from the dark side like being closer to the Cascades.
@@rayc.1396 from Boise, I’d let northern Idaho be its own state. Or something? Travel between McCall and Lewiston isn’t great logistics
as someone from western wa i support redrawing a lot of the regional borders around here, i'm curious about how eastern oregon joining idaho would pan out. maybe we'll be able to combine some states after :)
I recall reading about the urban vs rural divide being a source of tension in ancient Athenian democracy. My understanding that electorates are an attempt at balancing these tensions. As much as cities like to think that they are more sophisticated they still need to eat.
Yes they still need to eat, but they are also trying to make 90% of Eastern Oregonian food production illegal with a ballot measure, specifically, the "animal rights" ballot measure IP3. IP3, if passed, will break all treaties with Oregonian Native Americans by making illegal ALL of the following: Ranching, Animal husbandry, Hunting, Trapping, Fishing, and even training domesticated animals like dogs and horses. Even though it has been extensively proven that dogs are happiest when they know they are a helpful and supportive member of the pack, the animal rights activists say that training them is "animal abuse." If the measure passes, it will criminalize most of the businesses their, who despite making deficits still have to pay tax because, rather than taxing net income, the geniuses in Salem thought it to be a good idea to tax gross income, these poor farmers, if convicted of violating this ballot measure, will be fined heftily, and due to them not having money from their failing businesses, they will either lose everything from repossession by the state, or they'll be forced into prison if they can't pay, where they will then be put to work for no pay because slavery is still legal in prison.
Both Idaho and Oregon legislatures have voted to allow discussion of this. The benefits for both states are higher than the drawbacks.
I think Greater Idaho should expand all across the country. Instead of the United States of America, it should be the United State of Idaho.
I love this idea Idaho you have support from Florida
uh oh. Florida man is with us. I think this idea might be crazy after all
The people of the land should be allowed to live in whatever neighboring state they feel suits them. If people in eastern Oregon feel like they're being misrepresented, then yeah I say let them join the group of people they fit in better with. Policy implementation in these regions would be faster too.
Greater Idaho is the brainchild of several White Nationalist groups working together who have been trying to establish a Nazi empire in the northwest for decades.
I think they should consider a new flag
Looks out window. Sees 9,000’ peak from 4,500’. Is very flat? My guy we have one of the deepest canyons in the world!
Why doesn't conservative California and conservative Oregon become one single state.
Instead of joining another.
That has been tried. The ultra-libs in Portland and SoCal have consistently prevented it
Because the liberals won't let us form our own government. They continue to try to oppress us with their communist laws. Typical of the left. The left never respected the right to self-governance.
California and Oregon would never allow it, but Idaho would, joining Idaho could very well be a push towards that end goal. With Idaho policy those people would be able to get back on their own 2 feet, and then perhaps in 6-18 years they will be self-sufficient enough to form their own state. Idaho has in the past given up rich lands like the northern goldmines to Montana because they didn't want to deal with the hassle of regulating tens of thousands of gold miners and prospectors. I don't see any reason they would try and hold on to desert counties if they wished to leave after joining Idaho.
Should take Eastern Washington as well
And what would be the economic engine of this newly crowned Bumpkinland?
More potatoes
Make Idaho Greater Again
I’ve thought of this even before this video came out. The idea of the electoral college is great but is defeated when you have big states like Cali Texas and New York. How upstate New Yorkers live and feel is different than NYC.
The west doesn’t make sense for the electoral college and you have things like this happen where many people straight up go unrepresented because the higher/densely populated urban area felt differently.
The electoral college favors middle America. The electoral votes for New York and California are dwarfed by Republican states. This means your vote means more in rural Republican states than the most populous ones where 80% of the country lives. The way the electoral college works, you could win the presidency with something like 14% of the popular vote.
State. Electoral. College. Now. And I'm Australian, I think it is truly one of greatest inventions in democracy and its purpose was to avoid large states to not dwarf smaller states.. which now have cities the size of the larger states back then.
I don't think it'll ever happen but I'd definitely support it.
I've watched a bunch of videos about this issue, this is the first one that mentioned Northern California as well, I always thought it was only Eastern Oregon.
the original start was part of N cali, but they had to narrow it down because it wouldn't fly with all that they had started with.
As someone from Eastern Oregon, I'm all for this.
This is crazy but I fully support it. If it happens, I might move there. We should absolutely normalize shifting borders. That's how borders work, our modern rigid borders are unnatural and counterproductive.
As a Idahoan we technically have sea access with Lewiston. It is the farthest inland port to the Pacific Ocean. Northern California would give us way better ocean access though.
I live in Boise, figure this is silly way to reject the woke people
As an Idahoan, I fully support this. Long live the Holy Empire of Greater Idaho!
Then you have no critical thinking skills, just blind support
Given the massive conservative, nationalist rhetoric in the area, it honestly would be an empire.
i don't mind it living on the puget sound either honestly, it would be nice to unify the nearby states more
I hope they succeed in forming greater Idaho, god speed ✊
One point brought up by a proposal for western Minnesota counties to merge with South Dakota is the dilution of representation in the state legislature. Even though the reason for that move is ostensibly the same as the Oregon/Idaho situation, the objection is that existing South Dakotan population would lose some of their seats, thus diminishing their influence due to the auslanders coming in.
Another point which you wouldn't have covered in a geography-oriented channel is the financial effects. My understanding is that the eastern Oregon counties receive more in services and such from the state agencies than they pay in state taxes. This situation is unlikely to change and one wonders if Idaho would want to inherit a negative balance of payments. This could be exacerbated if the state of Oregon pulled all of their personnel, equipment, vehicles, supply contracts, etc from the seceding counties - requiring Idaho to replace those items as part of their new counties.
If Idaho gets this then Texas gets all of its territory back
My understanding is that this is conservatives of Oregon and California upset that their votes get overridden by the people in the big cities, so they want to join Idaho, another conservative state, but like there is a way easier solution here. Just get rid of the electoral college...
I get where they're coming from as a Democrat in Kentucky, but rather than throw my hands up and try to join a different state, just get rid of the electoral college so all votes matter.
I don't believe conservatives would agree with getting rid of the electoral college either. After all, if that had been the case in the past, they would have lost two of the presidential elections this century that they won.
Probably the closest we could come to a workable compromise would be to not follow the "winner takes all" scheme for electoral votes. Apparently only Nebraska and Maine currently don't follow that, and instead allocate them proportional to the vote.
@anonbefallen4807 All votes matter in the electoral college too, but in a democratic system of any form someone has to lose. In a direct democracy, it’s the lamb voting for lunch, in the electoral college, it’s the lone city in a rural state.
I love that you made a video on this! I’ve been following this movement for a while! I think it would be good for both states for this to go through!
Bot that bright are you
@@Lavonne1 it is good for both states, over 59% of Portlanders voted to allow the East to leave because it would allow their tax revenue to be used on causes that are closer to them. Currently, the reason for the Eastern counties being poor is because of the neglect and abuse of Salem and its heavily restrictive policies. Salem centralized water rights and won't allow the Eastern farmers to irrigate their farmland, even though they want to grow food crops. Additionally, Salem has placed exorbitant taxes upon diesel fuel, the tractors, combines, and other vehicles don't come in electric, making diesel the only viable means of farming in the East. Salem has also foisted upon Oregonians a completely unreasonable income tax, that rather than taxing net income, taxes gross income, meaning that even though these farmers and ranchers make a deficit, they are still forced to pay income tax. yes, despite making NEGATIVE INCOME, they still must pay income tax.
the reasons for them making negative income includes but is not limited to 1) the aforementioned diesel taxes, 2) they are not allowed to kill violent wolves without approval from Salem, which takes weeks to months to be heard, often times being rejected despite thousands of dollars worth of livestock being poached by wolves. and 3) the aforementioned water restrictions that restrict the ability for farmers and ranchers to produce sufficiently.
Additionally, Salem is pushing a ballot measure to make 90% of food production in Eastern Oregon illegal. Due to being a desert climate that only grows grasses and shrubbery, the main food source from the East is ranching, hunting, trapping, fishing and animal husbandry, all of which will be made illegal under "animal abuse" if IP3 "the animal rights" ballot measure passes the 2024 November ballot. Not only will the aforementioned practices by criminalized, but so will the training of domestic animals like dogs and horses, because according to Portlander "animal rights activists" training dogs is considered "animal abuse," despite the fact that dogs are happiest when they know they are being productive, helpful, and supportive members of the family.
If IP3 passes in November 2024, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Oregonians will be criminals, and if they don't abandon their businesses, will be fined. Due to them making negative income from the insane policies Salem forces upon them, they will be unable to pay the hefty "animal abuse" fines and will have their homesteads, livestock, and other assets confiscated by the state, or they will be incarcerated and put to work as slaves for no pay, because slavery is a legal punishment for conviction.
Oregon has already centralized water and resource rights, and now they are attempting to centralize food rights, in addition to the legislation being pushed by Salem to confiscate all tax revenue from the counties to then "redistribute how they see fit," taking a page straight out of Bonito Mussolini's handbook, like the tyrannical dumpster fascists they are.
Western Oregonian citizens don't want their tax revenue being used to abuse and mismanage the East, while the Eastern populations don't want to be abused and mismanaged. Both East and West Oregonian citizens support this proposal on the ballot.
Great video. I Would love to see a video on an alternate reality where any county could join any adjacant state that more closley matched their needs, wants, culture, ideology, etc. I think the country would see lots and lots of county movment, and it would be a fasinating video. Very similar to the greater Idaho movement that has little to no chance of ever happening. I can see a lot of good effects coming from letting counties move to states that valued them, but also there would probably be some downsides as well.
It shouldn’t be viewed as inherently a stupid thing (although I’ve only seen a specific political group say that, the “empathetic ones” who are supposed to be all for equality and helping the downtrodden)
Their is also this idea in eastern Washington but it’s not as common
Eastern Oregonians would stand to lose quite a lot by being absorbed into Idaho. They have rights, privileges and freedom that Idahoans simply do not have. Also, I've seen many instances where someone asks an Eastern Oregonian about why they wish to be absorbed into Idaho. They say things like they "don't like how people live in Portland." So the very idea that people exist in the same state as they are and are not like them, hurts them. It's 100% creepy and weird. It's also short sighted and selfish to try to destroy an entire state, rather than just move to the plethora of conservative states around them. There are so many to choose from. But they think the world should go out of it's way to accommodate them. Yuck.
Nooo you can't move an imaginery line on a map because people that vote differently to you are enforcing their decisions on you despite liveing hundreds of miles away. Don't you know it's selfish to move imagerinery lines on the map just to get poltical outcomes that match how you vote. State borders are too sacred for even democracy to be allowed to change them.
No instead you should spend a ton of money to move during a housing crisis to a place that doesn't have enough jobs for all of you. Just so we can preserve lines drawn hundreds of years ago, often arbitrarily. lines that are ignoring natural borders, water tables and directly go against the advice of experts in cartography.
Sounds exactly like a Liberal talking! Now you know how they feel when 1 county dominates the rest of the state and the eastern side sees it as people destroying an entire state.
If they want to leave Oregon so badly, then they should pack their unhappy asses up and leave Oregon.
These are, after all, the very same people so fond of saying, "If you don't like it, leave!"
So I say to them, "Buh bye, Felicia."
They are quite literally not the same people saying that. Quit strawmanning. I guess since you're SOO opposed to the poor highland farmers of Eastern Oregon joining Idaho, you must also be opposed to those poor highland farmers of those 3 Eastern panhandle counties of west Virginia having voted to leave Virginia as abolitionist republicans.
The democrats are literally attempting to enslave the people of Eastern Oregon by criminalizing their only food production, in an "animal rights" ballot measure on the ballot in November 2024, if passed the measure will break all treaties with the native Americans by making illegal ALL of the following: animal husbandry, ranching, hunting, trapping, fishing, and even the training of domesticated pets like cats and dogs. Due to Eastern Oregon being a high desert, food crops don't grow there due to scarce water, meaning animals are their only local food source.
Not only that, but Salem is centralizing the water and other natural resources, not allowing them to water crops even when they try to do so! Additionally, Salem is pushing legislation to confiscate all taxes from the Eastern counties to "redistribute how they see fit" full MUSSOLINI STYLE!
"The only ones you can rule are the criminal ones, so they force you into corners 'till you're breaking the law." - Tom MacDonald, Sheeple
They are so poor that they are unable to do so, especially with the ballooning prices caused by the mass influx of people moving to Idaho. Virtually all the farmers ad ranchers in Eastern oregon are making a deficit every year because the state wont allow them to defend their livestock from being poached by wolves. The state also centralized the water rights so the Easterners can't sufficiently produce food crops. The corporate income tax is on gross income rather than net income, meaning that even when the ranchers and farmers make NEGATIVE income, they still must pay income tax. This decimates small businesses all across the state, not just the East. Plus, the state is attempting to make illegal 90% of Eastern Oregon's food production via the IP3 ballot measure on the 2024 November ballot. The supposed "animal rights" ballot measure will, if passed, make ALL of the following illegal: Ranching, animal husbandry, Hunting, Trapping, Fishing, and even training domesticated animals like dogs and horses. All of these activities will, if IP3 passes, be considered "animal abuse" and hefty fines will be levied upon those farmers who are already indebted. Due to their inability to pay these hefty fines, the state will either confiscate their homes, livestock, and other assets, or throw them in Prison to work for free as slaves, because slavery is legal as punishment for conviction.
On top of centralizing the water rights, the resource rights, and now even the food rights, Salem is also pushing legislation to forcibly confiscate all the tax revenue from counties to then "redistribute how they see fit" taking a page straight from Bonito Mussolini's handbook, like the tyrannical dumpster fascists they are.
So Oregon goes from Portland to Portland, sounds good to me
It all comes down to gun legislation. If Oregon or Washington move to make it nearly impossible to own a firearm, the states will come apart at the seams and not even Congress could put them back together.
Hopefully the Supreme Court can shutdown all the stupid gun bans so Idaho doesn’t have to expand 😂
@@matthewmorel3758💯
This movement is not solely limited to Oregon and Idaho. There are several western counties of Maryland wanting to join West Virginia, because those counties are more aligned culturally and politically to West Virginia than to the rest of Maryland.😊
Malheur has also a great name (meaning misfortune, woe... in French)
They probably called it that because it's a desert that has common droughts
If yall have ever read “divided we fall” series, this is basically it
This was just clickbait when you said, "This may actually happen." Just because a radical minority makes an idea does not mean it's going to go through. I live in Washington state and have a lot of knowledge about the states you discussed. I know that Oregon is so much a blue state, even in the rural parts, that Urban vs. rural would not be enough for the proposal to pass because you can't divide the state between blue or red, the population is too spread out around the whole state for even 1 city to split off based on blue or red, the majority population of any location would not vote in favor of the proposal, even if you selected rural cities in the east and took their majority, it would always be a minority vote which cannot pass on a ballot. There may be a small minority in eastern oregon who want to join idaho, but not a large enough population to justify adding the idea to the ballot because it would make a large population have to migrate across the border to the real Oregon, its not like "east is red, west is blue" its more like 90% blue statewide and 10% red... also, the fact that eastern Washington wasn't included despite having a red minority too is more evidence that it was not meant to be a real proposal. Also, the biggest thing is that you need approval from all the other states for this border change to occur, which will never happen. I guess I can see northern California doing that, but Oregon will probably just split up into several separate states rather than merge with Idaho if this idea ever actually went through.
This vid is hella click bait. And prob paid by interest groups to make it.
“It’s more like 90% blue and 10% red” dude you’re insane. Are you a kid and you don’t leave your house or something? I have lived in both eastern Washington and eastern Oregon my whole life and you’re insane if you think joining Idaho is just a minority opinion. Homie doesn’t leave his bubble inner city and it shows.
Portlanders voted 59% in favor of letting the East join idaho, everyone but the politicians agrees that self-determination is a good thing.
The Eastern oregonians of this movement are not Radicals, the radicals are in Salem who force them to pay income tax when they make a deficit. yes, due to corporate gross income tax, people must pay income tax despite making NEGATIVE income. The radicals are the tyrants in Salem who are attempting to make illegal 90% of the Eastern Oregonian food production by making all of the following illegal: Ranching, Animal husbandry, huting, trapping, fishing, and even the training of domesticated animals like dogs and horses. if IP3, the "animal rights" ballot measure, passes in the November 2024 ballot, it will turn hundreds of thousands of impoverished homesteaders into criminals, and because they are taxed to high hell even when they make negative income, they will be unable to pay the hefty "animal abuse" fines levied upon them, meaning that either the state will confiscate their homestead, animals, and other assets, or they will be imprisoned and put to work as a slave for no pay, because slavery is legal punishment for conviction.
In fact, the reason these Eastern Oregonians can''t make money is because the Oregonians can't even kill a violent wolf without approval from Salem, even when the wolf kills thousands worth of livestock. The request takes weeks to go through, and oftentimes is rejected by Salem, and of course, rather than reimburse the damages caused by the policy, Salem instead taxes the farmers who make negative income. Another reason they can't make income is there is no such thing as an electric farming tractor, and the diesel taxes levied by the "environmentalists" who actively abandon forests to let them burn, affecting neighboring farmers who own property by the unmanaged forests make the farmers business impossible when combined with wolves poaching livestock. Oregon is actively refusing to allow people to remove dead trees from forests, which are highly fire starters that cause decimation when not removed. They will watch the forest burn with glee because they want to preserve its "natural state," which when untouched will become overgrown, trees will starve out their competition, killing them, ensuring their own demise by generating copious amounts of mismanaged firewood. What those green idiots fail to realise is that we humans are a part of nature, and the planet has gotten 50% greener specifically because of us, according to NASA themselves. Of course, when a mismanaged forest causes a fire, the farmers who border the forest who have their entire livelihood burnt to ash are, OF COURSE, ONCE GAIN, NOT reimbursed for the damages, but instead TAXED when they make negative income.
Eastern Oregon is not poor by their own incompetence, but the incompetent malevolence of the tyrannical state who stomps all over them, neglects them, and abuses them.
Additionally, Oregon has centralized the water rights, meaning that the farmers and ranchers who want to grow food crops in the east are literally banned from doing so. If IP3 passes, this means that Oregon has centralized both water AND food rights, along with the other resource rights they've already centralized. Furthermore Salem is pushing legislation to forcibly confiscate all tax revenue from the counties and "redistribute it as they see fit," taking a page straight out of Bonito Mussolini's handbook, like the tyrannical dumpster fascists they are.
90% of the issues that Eastern Oregonians complain about are inherently NONpolitical, which is why both sides of the state can agree on this solution..