snake lost at the character select screen. Its really really hard to beat someone like daigo or momochi with a grappler. They are just too perfect with minimizing your options to get in. Evil ryu was maybe a better choice but he would never beat daigo in a mirror there either.
always gate keeping poor snake daigo is just to comfortable in the gief match. wish snake would've just given his e.ryu a shot it was painful watching poor gief just get h.kicked to the face
this event settles it... Snake Eyez is the best United States SF4 player, period. You can all still ride your Smug hype or Strider or whoever, but Snake has been nothing but consistent in his wins. He may not be god tier level like Daigo, Xian, Infiltration etc, but he's damn close.
+blueice To be fair, virtually every american is free to Daigo. Snake is for sure the best American player. The fact he's the only one to get top 8 here is a good case.
Dennis Sin Yeah, definitely. It was nice seeing Daigo overcome the Dhalsim counterpick finally, but Kazu will go down as Daigo's demon in his SFIV career.
+Chris Tweten Xiaohai, Bonchan also have his (zangief's) number. Snake is going to meet one or all of these in a stacked tourney. He needs to branch out
Indeed, but Snake Eyez can definitely go toe-to-toe with Daigo if we go with player skill alone. Sadly, Evil Ryu just has better normals and can control the neutral game easily, while Zangief does not have a single option that will lead him to get close. Very easy win for Daigo and a great example of how match-ups can be the ultimatum for victory or defeat
+lYakuzal Except SnakeEyez's Zangief bodies plenty of Evil Ryus. You can't pretend that Daigo was not playing pretty well here just because of the match-up. Also, saying that SnakeEyez couldn't win because it's Evil Ryu is also understating his skill as a Zangief player.
Match-ups are determined when both characters are to be played perfectly to their strengths, so in a way it doesn't account for player skill. Either way, I haven't seen any player that plays Evil Ryu solidly and perfectly as Daigo, Xiaohai and Sako can, and Snake Eyez always has trouble playing against their Evil Ryu's. Daigo always plays exceptionally well in every match, but match-ups in games like SF4 can determine how much effort is required to beat a certain character. In this case, Evil Ryu just has to establish a tight defense with fireballs, roundhouses and DPs that keeps Zangief away, and that requires very little risk and effort. On the other hand, Zangief has to play patient and jump in at the right precise moment, but every decision he makes is risky. Even if he was able to get in, he would have to make a couple of hard reads on the mix-ups and against Daigo that is extremely hard to do. Not to also mention that Zangief has very little options to beat Evil Ryu in a footsie game since Evil Ryu's normals are incredibly good, and Snake Eyez' footsies are world-class. You can't say that Daigo had a tougher time playing this match compared to the matches he played before top 8.
lYakuzal I think you might have missed what my issue with your comment was about. Sure it's a bad match-up for Zangief, I acknowledged that. But the fact that someone like SnakeEyez could not do much is very much a testament to Daigo's skill and knowledge in the match-up. Just imagine a top player simply not having an answer. It's very much similar to Daigo losing 13 (I think?) games in a row to Kazunoko. There has to be a point when you stop blaming match-ups and acknowledge that to some extent, even the favourable person in the match-up still won through better skill and understanding of the opponent player.
+Oumae Kumiko I can see your point, but i guess you misinterpreted my comment as well :/. I'm just trying to say that match-ups play a big role in this game than most fighting games, and Zangief vs Evil Ryu is proof of that. Snake Eyes always has a very tough time beating high-level Evil Ryus and has never beaten a high-level Sagat with Zangief. Yes, Daigo definitely did show that he played better than Snake Eyez even if the match-up was in his favor, but with the limited amount of tools Zangief has I feel that Snake Eyez is restricting himself from being able to play at his best. I've seen what Snake Eyez is capable of doing, but I know for sure that he can do so much more with the kind of skills he has. I'm not saying that he should've learned a different character though, I just wished this match wasn't so one-sided due to how bad the match-up is.
its not really snakes fault. Honestly daigo played this match almost perfectly. I dont know at this level if its even winnable against someone like daigo
Snake Eyez played great but Daigo gives him too much trouble. He got kinda blown up at CCG Master Series, too. Still, I think it's safe to say he's the best in the U.S.
WTF. Snake Eyez nerves got the better of him. Every hadouken is a reactionary EXGH on audio cue for Big Z. Challenge Daigo crouch MK with Zang's crouch LK xx EXGH. Use crouch LK, crouch LP, stand MP, stand LK as Z's midrange tools. Challenge hadouken with L1 focus attack/dash or stand HK, occasional random LPGH. This matchup is even. Its a shame Snake Eyez was not being himself.
Well, Muriсa is no stranger to it. I mean, 7 years later and even in SF5 (a much less skill demanding game) nothing has changed. Muriсa still can't win any tournament. The only games that a muriсa can win are games that the Japanese/Koreans/Chinese are not interested in. Smash, mvc. In real fighting games, be it SF, Tekken or Gilty Gear, Murica will never win. For the same reason why murika can't create a truly competitive fighting game.
Doesn't know why people praise Snake Eyez,even Mike Ross better than him. Mike Ross and Combofiend far better than this scrubby. RIP Snake Eyez and hope this player forgettable.
I would think that a Gief at Snakes lvl would have focused through some of those close ranged fireballs, and Spd.. Guess he couldn't get the the timing down, but it doesn't seem like it was something Snake was even attempting much....
i can imagine the knowledge that daigo knows the game as well as or better than you do, playing a character with major flaws (no reliable safe way in without meter) can be scary, or force snake to take no risks and look helpless.
I feel Snake Eyez didn't make good use of Zangief's tools: Against the hadouken spam, he's got to go to Reaction EXGH, reaction L1 FA or reaction banish with LPGH into mixup/SPD. Occasionally use far MK and far HK to deter fireballs. Needs to stop walking backwards in the hopes of whiff punishing. Snake Eyez STAY PUT and either block or defend with crouch LP or crouch LK. Didn't control frontal space enough with far MP. Needs to go for the extended LP SPD by whiffing crouch LP or crouch LK. Whiff punish with the kara LPGH. I'm surprised he forgot all his Hagejin training. It's not like Snake Eyez.
This is wonderfull. This snake pie is a joke!! arrogant american! he said all those things about keoma, and keoma beat him with no mercy. a little more and keoma would have beaten this joke the second time and the fight against daigo would be better. I will always hope you go down man for looking down on other players like keoma. Pick up another character cuz with this one you are not going to win anything important from now on!
+André Venturini LOL so salty that Snake Eyes proved he was better than Keoma. Wouldn't matter since Daigo would send him AND your BR hero packing home anyways.
keoma is not my hero man! its not because im a brazilian guy that i wouldnt want snake eyes to win. the fact is that this idiot looks down on other players and you know what , you americans dont know anything about us and you dont know that weve got many good players here, but unfortunately we dont get the same chances you get to be there. anyway. what a roster of disappointing players you ve got even, with all the opportunities you have, the fact you are closer to these events and the money to travel abroad. Its all the same... the same players over and over, who cant play with more than one character and keep losing to everybody else. phathetic!
***** everyone didn't know who to expect in in the tournament! Even Gamerbee didn't know what to expect when he had to face Keoma in winners bracket. He was prepared for Snake eyez mentally but NOT for Keoma. So for Snake Eyez to lose to Keoma in round 1 because he was training for Strider is understandable and he paid for the mistake. So when the rematched again in top 8, he played much better and showed their true difference in skill. If you can't find respect in that, you miss the point.
Wow. Daigo's reactions are amazing! its like he said .... "its just zangief hahahh" .. about the previous fight, i respect your point of view, but disagree in some ways. I do realize that one player prepare to face another, but disagree with you when you say that the second match showed the true difference between them. in total, we had 9 rounds won for keoma and only 6 for snake eyes, but snake managed to defend himself better in the second instance, and since that one was the definitive one, he won even being pressed all the time. What a great match this one would have been if keoma had passed. Cant wait for Street fighter V.
***** what are you even talking about "he won being pressed all the time"? Snake played at his best in the runback (the 2nd time) with Keoma playing at that same intensity the entire tournament and he adapted from his previous losses and overcame Keoma. Both earned their spots getting to top 8. Total wins mean absolutely nothing when its all about being able to perform where it counts the most.
The way Daigo completely shut down Snake Eyez was masterful.
It's crazy seeing such an insanely good player as Snake Eyez getting totally dismantled. Props to Daigo.
+Kuro Onehalf Its not crazy if it's Daigo.
To someone like Daigo, defeating snake eyes level player is just like fighting scrubs you found online. Still, props for snake
Snake Eyes is a fantastic player. He just ran into a tough matchup against the best player with that specific character.
arguably, the best SF player of all time
lmao Daigo has a "Legend" icon 😂
Aww, that 2nd fight round 1... it's NEVER over with Daigo. He can always make a comeback.
snake lost at the character select screen. Its really really hard to beat someone like daigo or momochi with a grappler. They are just too perfect with minimizing your options to get in. Evil ryu was maybe a better choice but he would never beat daigo in a mirror there either.
Snake has one of the best footsie games for an American player. But Daigo can easily top that.
its a bad matchup, the footsies is equal.
With Evil Ryu against Zangief you don't need to be a expert on footsies.
Just like at Evo, Daigo knows this matchup inside out!
this is heart breaking
Why Daigo... Whyyyyyyyyyyy!?
always gate keeping poor snake daigo is just to comfortable in the gief match. wish snake would've just given his e.ryu a shot it was painful watching poor gief just get h.kicked to the face
Damn the FGC is getting more and more professional as time goes on. Soon renting out hotel spaces for EVO won't be enough
this event settles it... Snake Eyez is the best United States SF4 player, period. You can all still ride your Smug hype or Strider or whoever, but Snake has been nothing but consistent in his wins. He may not be god tier level like Daigo, Xian, Infiltration etc, but he's damn close.
+Randy JP Replaced Justin as the USA's prodigal son.
+Randy JP There is no Smug hype anymore
+Randy JP I don't know, but from this clip, your words don't look convincing at all. It's almost like free for Daigo.
+blueice To be fair, virtually every american is free to Daigo. Snake is for sure the best American player. The fact he's the only one to get top 8 here is a good case.
Du is also a god by NAs standards lol. but snake is no joke. would love to see a set between Du and Snake, but the matchup is so in favor of guile. :(
Daigo will always be the street fighter GOD. I never go against him and I never will.
well there are worse fates than getting completely owned by Daigo
snake eyes is the best , because of the character he plays .
+antonio ovide totally agree!
Snake must train 2 characters in SF5, Zangief and an alternative to scenarios like this
+StackeR Snake doesn't play that bad against E Ryu, Daigo just has his number.
+Chris Tweten Just like Kazunoko has Daigos number
Dennis Sin Yeah, definitely. It was nice seeing Daigo overcome the Dhalsim counterpick finally, but Kazu will go down as Daigo's demon in his SFIV career.
+Chris Tweten Xiaohai, Bonchan also have his (zangief's) number. Snake is going to meet one or all of these in a stacked tourney. He needs to branch out
He should use t hawk lol and sf5 I believe he going to main birdie and gief
3:14 you're welcome
Daigo just obliterated Snake Eyez. Snake HAS to have at least 2 alternative to Zangief in SF5 or we're going to see a lot more scenarios like this.
RIP SnekEyez.
snake is a good player. but daigo is god in sf
Indeed, but Snake Eyez can definitely go toe-to-toe with Daigo if we go with player skill alone. Sadly, Evil Ryu just has better normals and can control the neutral game easily, while Zangief does not have a single option that will lead him to get close. Very easy win for Daigo and a great example of how match-ups can be the ultimatum for victory or defeat
+lYakuzal Except SnakeEyez's Zangief bodies plenty of Evil Ryus. You can't pretend that Daigo was not playing pretty well here just because of the match-up. Also, saying that SnakeEyez couldn't win because it's Evil Ryu is also understating his skill as a Zangief player.
Match-ups are determined when both characters are to be played perfectly to their strengths, so in a way it doesn't account for player skill. Either way, I haven't seen any player that plays Evil Ryu solidly and perfectly as Daigo, Xiaohai and Sako can, and Snake Eyez always has trouble playing against their Evil Ryu's.
Daigo always plays exceptionally well in every match, but match-ups in games like SF4 can determine how much effort is required to beat a certain character. In this case, Evil Ryu just has to establish a tight defense with fireballs, roundhouses and DPs that keeps Zangief away, and that requires very little risk and effort. On the other hand, Zangief has to play patient and jump in at the right precise moment, but every decision he makes is risky. Even if he was able to get in, he would have to make a couple of hard reads on the mix-ups and against Daigo that is extremely hard to do. Not to also mention that Zangief has very little options to beat Evil Ryu in a footsie game since Evil Ryu's normals are incredibly good, and Snake Eyez' footsies are world-class.
You can't say that Daigo had a tougher time playing this match compared to the matches he played before top 8.
lYakuzal I think you might have missed what my issue with your comment was about. Sure it's a bad match-up for Zangief, I acknowledged that. But the fact that someone like SnakeEyez could not do much is very much a testament to Daigo's skill and knowledge in the match-up. Just imagine a top player simply not having an answer. It's very much similar to Daigo losing 13 (I think?) games in a row to Kazunoko. There has to be a point when you stop blaming match-ups and acknowledge that to some extent, even the favourable person in the match-up still won through better skill and understanding of the opponent player.
+Oumae Kumiko
I can see your point, but i guess you misinterpreted my comment as well :/.
I'm just trying to say that match-ups play a big role in this game than most fighting games, and Zangief vs Evil Ryu is proof of that. Snake Eyes always has a very tough time beating high-level Evil Ryus and has never beaten a high-level Sagat with Zangief. Yes, Daigo definitely did show that he played better than Snake Eyez even if the match-up was in his favor, but with the limited amount of tools Zangief has I feel that Snake Eyez is restricting himself from being able to play at his best. I've seen what Snake Eyez is capable of doing, but I know for sure that he can do so much more with the kind of skills he has.
I'm not saying that he should've learned a different character though, I just wished this match wasn't so one-sided due to how bad the match-up is.
its not really snakes fault. Honestly daigo played this match almost perfectly. I dont know at this level if its even winnable against someone like daigo
Daigo came in 2nd this year right?
Dayum, Daigo sent Jason Derulo home.
Jason Derulo? 💀
Single player?
tough match plain and simple
"No fucks given"
-Diego Umejuarez
"Lame it out like it's Cross Tekken" - Daigo Umehara
Snake Eyez played great but Daigo gives him too much trouble. He got kinda blown up at CCG Master Series, too. Still, I think it's safe to say he's the best in the U.S.
+James Johnson daigo would have blown up any gief to be fair. Its nothing on snake its just a hard matchup against the best player in the world
+Wild West True
I was disappointed to see Snake Eyez defeat Keoma in the rematch. I feel like Daigo vs Keoma would have been more interesting to watch.
notice Snake Didn't Use Focus To Absorb Any Fireballs
he destroyed snake eyes. daigo is too good against giefs
The footsies are real.
WTF. Snake Eyez nerves got the better of him. Every hadouken is a reactionary EXGH on audio cue for Big Z. Challenge Daigo crouch MK with Zang's crouch LK xx EXGH. Use crouch LK, crouch LP, stand MP, stand LK as Z's midrange tools. Challenge hadouken with L1 focus attack/dash or stand HK, occasional random LPGH. This matchup is even. Its a shame Snake Eyez was not being himself.
He didn't win single round damn!!
Beginner player vs God
Snake eyes got owned. Nuff said
Snake gets his first toptier asian opponent and he loses . Murica must be awful then
Well, Muriсa is no stranger to it. I mean, 7 years later and even in SF5 (a much less skill demanding game) nothing has changed. Muriсa still can't win any tournament. The only games that a muriсa can win are games that the Japanese/Koreans/Chinese are not interested in. Smash, mvc.
In real fighting games, be it SF, Tekken or Gilty Gear, Murica will never win. For the same reason why murika can't create a truly competitive fighting game.
and the yankee crowd stays silent for the whole ordeal 😂
Snake vs Daigo = hijo vs padre
Doesn't know why people praise Snake Eyez,even Mike Ross better than him. Mike Ross and Combofiend far better than this scrubby. RIP Snake Eyez and hope this player forgettable.
This was probably the most cinvincing set of the event. My god. Snake eyes looked useless. couldn't do a damn thing.
James chen, please stop saying Daigo uMAhara.
Snake eyes is the 🐐
too bad keoma lost to snake, else we may have a more worthy match to watch. this match is just putting ppl to sleep...
How the fuck is this a Top 8 match, I'd expect shit like this in casuals, sure as hell not here
He didn't land a single SPD :(
5:52...
Daí- god
I would think that a Gief at Snakes lvl would have focused through some of those close ranged fireballs, and Spd.. Guess he couldn't get the the timing down, but it doesn't seem like it was something Snake was even attempting much....
i can imagine the knowledge that daigo knows the game as well as or better than you do, playing a character with major flaws (no reliable safe way in without meter) can be scary, or force snake to take no risks and look helpless.
+nyo I can't really see how Focusing through a close range fireball would be a risk.. An Spd after that focus gives 0 time to react....
Gief has an awful focus. It's very unsafe for him to focus through a fireball and Daigo would have enough time to punish
Snake eyes didn't even win a single round.... 😳
I feel Snake Eyez didn't make good use of Zangief's tools: Against the hadouken spam, he's got to go to Reaction EXGH, reaction L1 FA or reaction banish with LPGH into mixup/SPD. Occasionally use far MK and far HK to deter fireballs. Needs to stop walking backwards in the hopes of whiff punishing. Snake Eyez STAY PUT and either block or defend with crouch LP or crouch LK. Didn't control frontal space enough with far MP. Needs to go for the extended LP SPD by whiffing crouch LP or crouch LK. Whiff punish with the kara LPGH. I'm surprised he forgot all his Hagejin training. It's not like Snake Eyez.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Rekt
Dam diago ruined him
huuuuumiliatedddd
Like the announcer said, Daigo's fundamental game is too strong.
not a single spd...
+LeifgoesLive he did land an lp one
So disheartening... fully Super meter, full Ultra meter, still can't do anything.
This match is exactly why i hate evil ryu in this game, he is clearly overpowered. Im glad Kaz destroyed Daigo in grand finals.
omega17ds uhmm no daigo is just too good, good player who chose a damage type character.
Lol no.
riding an overpowered grappler. Period.
This is wonderfull. This snake pie is a joke!! arrogant american! he said all those things about keoma, and keoma beat him with no mercy. a little more and keoma would have beaten this joke the second time and the fight against daigo would be better. I will always hope you go down man for looking down on other players like keoma. Pick up another character cuz with this one you are not going to win anything important from now on!
+André Venturini LOL so salty that Snake Eyes proved he was better than Keoma. Wouldn't matter since Daigo would send him AND your BR hero packing home anyways.
keoma is not my hero man! its not because im a brazilian guy that i wouldnt want snake eyes to win. the fact is that this idiot looks down on other players and you know what , you americans dont know anything about us and you dont know that weve got many good players here, but unfortunately we dont get the same chances you get to be there. anyway. what a roster of disappointing players you ve got even, with all the opportunities you have, the fact you are closer to these events and the money to travel abroad. Its all the same... the same players over and over, who cant play with more than one character and keep losing to everybody else. phathetic!
***** everyone didn't know who to expect in in the tournament! Even Gamerbee didn't know what to expect when he had to face Keoma in winners bracket. He was prepared for Snake eyez mentally but NOT for Keoma. So for Snake Eyez to lose to Keoma in round 1 because he was training for Strider is understandable and he paid for the mistake. So when the rematched again in top 8, he played much better and showed their true difference in skill. If you can't find respect in that, you miss the point.
Wow. Daigo's reactions are amazing! its like he said .... "its just zangief hahahh" .. about the previous fight, i respect your point of view, but disagree in some ways.
I do realize that one player prepare to face another, but disagree with you when you say that the second match showed the true difference between them. in total, we had 9 rounds won for keoma and only 6 for snake eyes, but snake managed to defend himself better in the second instance, and since that one was the definitive one, he won even being pressed all the time. What a great match this one would have been if keoma had passed.
Cant wait for Street fighter V.
***** what are you even talking about "he won being pressed all the time"? Snake played at his best in the runback (the 2nd time) with Keoma playing at that same intensity the entire tournament and he adapted from his previous losses and overcame Keoma. Both earned their spots getting to top 8. Total wins mean absolutely nothing when its all about being able to perform where it counts the most.
Zangief is weak and slow VS E.Ryu.
WTF is a fireball? worse commentators. ..
good b8 m8, almost got me there
@@sonomars3598 I don't get the joke