Computers ACCESS Online Information Retrieval Systems 1974 : DIALOG, LEADER, DBMS database terminals
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Computer History: Today, for review & discussion we examine a 1974 film - “Computer Information Retrieval Systems.” Early Online database systems are profiled with original film clips from the mid 1970’s. Services such as Lockheed’s DIALOG system, AQUARIUS, SPIRES-2 of Stanford University, and LEADER, and the TYMNET network.
From the excellent UCE film “ACCESS” by John Nutt, we visit scenes from Stanford University and Berkeley, California. The structure of computer based DATABASE systems is discussed and the “future” of online systems, from the perspective of the mid 1970’s users. A fun and informative romp through the mid 1970's online computer access options. (Uploaded for review and comment only. Computer History Archives Project - CHAP)
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The film also shows a number of terminals, including Hazeltine, IBM, etc., and a computerized ticket office in California (1975) with a Control Data Corporation “TICKETRON” terminal, and a prototype computerized information retrieval system at a bookstore in Berkeley, California. "TICKETRON" was a forerunner of Ticketmaster. Original color film from 1974. Run time about 14 mins.
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Background:
The Lockheed DIALOG system, was developed at Palo Alto Research Laboratory in 1966, , and available commercially in 1972.
AQUARIUS, used by the U.S. Legislative Information Center, was part of the STAIRS “Storage and Information Retrieval System,” developed by IBM.
SPIRES, was the Stanford Public Information REtrieval System, developed in the late 1960's at Stanford University.
“LEADER,” stood for “Lehigh Automatic Device for Efficient Retrieval,” It was conceived by Professor Donald Hillman, a pioneer in online information services in the 1960’s. LEADER allowed the end-user to search the online information system based on retrieving the full text of documents.
LEADER was operational by 1965, and ran on the IBM model 1800 Data Acquisition and Control System, introduced of 1964.
The Congressman seen at minute 3:00, Paul Norton McCloskey, was recipient of a Navy Cross, a Silver Star, and two Purple Hearts. Fortunately, he is still alive and will be 96 years old in 9 days time
He was my congressman back then (though I wasn't yet old enough to vote). Interesting that the congressman mentioned who directed the implementation of this office technology was Wayne Hays, who became better known for hiring secretaries who didn't know how to type.😉
@@TFinSF, apparently, as long as they were his type, they did not need to know how to type
It was interesting to find he was first a Republican, then changed to a Democrat around 2007. Wonder what the decision point was.....
@@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject 'Popularity'
He beat Shirley Temple (yes, that Shirley Temple!) in the primary before he was elected to The House
Wrote my first Fortran in 68 on cards. Its inspiring to revisit what we lived through and stand both before and after the great progress since. Thanks.
Hi @KK-dv3wh, thank you for your kind words. (Programming back in 68... very cool!) Glad you found our channel and hope you will continue to explore our vintage computing bits. ~ VK
@@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject oh you can bet I have been 😄
I read about that terminal in the record store in Berkeley in high school in a book called "Hackers: heros of the computer revolution." It was the behind the scenes stories of the computer revolution up until 1983 I think (it was published in the early 80's). A really great read.
In about 1976 I worked on the computer terminals in National Westminster and Midland banks in the UK. Running on Burroughs hardware the systems allowed the banks to interrogate their customers accounts from any branch. Was an interesting job at the time, but I did not realize how far ahead of it's time this all was!
Hi @phildxyz, Yes, that does sound pretty advanced for 1976. People didn't realize what was coming, did they?
Amazingly accurate predictions about the future. I remember checking stock prices and business news on the Dow Jones News Retrieval service using a small terminal built by Lexicon Corp. in Miami Lakes, Florida. Thanks for the look back CHAP.
The 70's had so much culture.
Very visually abominable culture, but culture nonetheless.
"In the future, many more communities will be connected." Yes. Yes they will.
Tymnet, the beginning of the internet. It's hard to believe they had these back in the seventies.
The film also mentions the ARPAnet.
This is amazing, I didn't know something like this existed in 1974. This was back when computers were a novelty.
woah woah, back it up there. 1974 computers weren't a novelty. Computers were running the backend of many medium to large institutions
@@tomservo5007 I was born in 1975, so I wouldn't know.
@@Ace1000ks19751982 you may find this interesting: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virtual_learning_environments
Also, videos on Colossus, and from there, the Apollo guidance computer systems, both on the ground and in flight.
Just some random highlights that are fascinating.
@@KK-dv3wh Probably those who caught 90s in their 16-20s (me too) are accustomed to think that CRT terminals were the trend of late 70s and whole 80s, as in early 70s they were really dumb and dumber. As we can see in the "Unix video" the Unix authors are still playing with teletypes in some episodes. So for me this video is rather amazing and kinda revealing 🙂
pretty much all major companies and organisations had all their data and processing done on computers by the late 1960s. By 1974 computers were fairly commonplace and had monitors so you didn't have to do everything through a teletype, but they were still so expensive that they were mostly only in large businesses, government installations, and schools. The systems were still fairly primitive (as can also be seen in this video), but this was right around the time it all switched from requiring special training to operate a computer system, to being so user friendly anyone could get on with a computer without any real instruction
Very interesting video on the ancestors to the internet. 15-20 minutes just to get a _list_ of articles may seem absurd today, but on average that's how long it takes to get anything relevant out of a Google search because you have to sift through page after page of ads, paid links, and the massive amount of irrelevant results their useless AI feeds you because it keeps guessing instead of searching for what you type
Hi @thesteelrodent1796, ""Google Ads" OMG... don't get me started... : ) Good points! ~
I remember when you would google something, there was nothing google could generate to answer the question.
It used to take 15-20 minutes to get AOL to go online and another 15-20 minutes to download a RUclips video.
My best friend and mentor Gus German made the library system for the Library of Congress, the Vatican, and more. Some of this was probably his invention! He also invented RAID (before it was called RAID)! RIP Gus 😊
As a guy who started with computers in 1975, I find these vids _very_ interesting.
Hi @josephgaviota, very cool. Glad you enjoyed it! VK
Love the keyboards. I want one.
Thanks again, CHAP. Love the chaps at CHAP ! Great work. 🙂
It's great to see so much "big iron" hardware in the film - to think, it's all landfill now.....😒
Yes, mostly likely much went to landfills. Before the days of recycling and harvesting big time. Bits and pieces, boards and tubes, one can find on eBay it seems. Thanks very much for your feedback! ~ CHAP
The univac I learned Fortran on had 8 meg of RAM...we were so awed at the time. It's no doubt in some landfill too.
5:30 is why the terminals at school were soo sticky
Dagwod sandwich? Hey there's no eating in here someone could get hurt
Wonderful stuff. So interesting 😉
Thank you for uploading this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting to see the graphics they used at 10:08 with bright on black usage of Helvetica style fonts in a film about Access retrieval systems. When about 10-15 years later this similar look would be the basis for LCARS that Okuda used for TNG.
It’s a neat simulation, for sure.
Yeah obviously that and the whole Leader thing was just simulated animation for the film. But it was interesting seeing something that looked like LCARS including the same font in a film about Library Computer Access and Retrieval Systems :) @@Mainyehc
bright on black is incidentially less stressful for the eyes (thus the massive shift to dark mode in recent years), and in terms of filming, it is easier for the cameras to focus on because it emits far less light and has higher contrast than anything on white backgrounds, where the background tends to get completely blown out (especially on 70s cameras)
How do you think the "Leader" segment was simulated?
@@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject It did not look at all like shots from an actual system, it looked like animation of it on film to approximate what it looked like for the sake of a clear. legible, marketable presentation.
The honey in the thumbnail is at 11:30.
She is one cute Honey Bee indeed.
My computer and I thank you, my good chap
U R VRY Welcome!
Fascinating, thanks for sharing
Our pleasure. Thanks for visiting.
The ARPAnet evolved into today's Internet.
DIGITAL Equipment Corporation VAX systems were being used with VT terminals in the early to mid 1990’s when I worked as an on-site field engineer at several Pharmaceutical companies in the Philadelphia, PA area.
we were on the arpanet at u of illinois in 75. also the homebrewed computer club, where the two steves were also part of, and their blue box fake call device that started apple.
how primitive, and yet it seemed so futuristic.
interesting how the arpa network was mentioned very briefly.
prescient...at the time that stuff was incredibly exciting and futuristic. You have to imagine looking at now-primitive terminals, but having the same feelings that Chat-GPT gives you now.
I subscribed to DIALOG in 1986 so I could use the international electronic mail feature. I could send a message to Japan that would arrive in 4 hours, or less!
I have rock concert ticket stubs from the late 70’s to 90’s with ‘TicketTron’ on them.
What really upsets in this video is that it is so much detailed and then you suddenly realize that 50 years burned out and mostly all those young people are now really old and many pictured mid-agers already passed away. Scary truth of life. 😐😐
1:55 wow ❤
Sup it’s TalesOfGothic here
love how they used the same guy to represent different types, especially Student
What the flyin fck kind of display is that LEADER system using!!? Totally Dope!
5:22 "DAGWOOD SANDWICH" Wow, I wonder how many people today will catch the "Blondie" reference?
12:20 underrated prediction
community memory!!! awesome
restaurant reviews in 1974: all green. :)
Hazeltine is a name i hadn't thought of in eons.
Hi @abandoninplace2751, had not heard of Hazeltine either, but apparently it was one of the very first high quality and popular terminals. Various models were made........
Hey, no smoking around the Uni terminal! You'll gunk up the works.
I wish keyboards still sounded like that.
Excellent. I don't know where Waldo is, but his sister is at 11:30.
It's nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking that...
Steve Jobbs look alike at the end
Wow that part at 05:40 looking up restaurants … with reviews?! Hahaha wow
and incredibly, no fake reviews or shitty scammy google results
thumbnail shows the female Where's Waldo.
The lady in the Thumbnail is in the segment at 11:30. She runs the TICKETRON ticket sales and reservations.
Interestingly, none of the people seen or heard using any of these systems, could type.
1:45 I have a "clicky" Cherry keyboard, but the keyboard this woman is using is WAY LOUD !
Yes, it is a bit tooo loud.
Oh my God! Hell a lot, a huuge quantity of CRT terminals!!! 20 years later those will be Windows95 office PCs. Anyway the server backbone took quite long to evolve until all those tape libraries were replaced by HDD storage technology.
What command do you type to take a selfie
😂
in the 70s being a barber meant making 20 dollars a week.
Boolean operators in 1974! Eat your heart out, Google!
ChatGPT
Goodness these people type SO SLOW
I suspect it’s because most of them are actors, did you notice the long list of those in the end credits? ;) Back then only typists knew how to do it quickly!
Half of this looks like a parody now with the specky nerds going full-on with the stereotypes. And why did they add sound effects?!
microfiche 🤣🤣🤣
It was still used by the high school library up onto 1990. But it, it makes you laugh. Good for you.
@@albear972 Yup, it was even used in the USMC when I was stationed in Okinawa in 96 . I was the "Publications Bubba" for my Combat Engineer Battalion. I maintained our heavy equipment repair manuals library. Low tech always make me laugh because we are so spoiled with high tech high capacity drives today.
Another thing that makes me laugh is a quote in the 1995 film Hackers "Yo. Check this out guys, this is insanely great, it's got a 28.8 BPS modem! " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It only gets funnier and funnier as IT progresses!
I first heard of Microfiche a few years ago in a time travel film called "Time Changer", co-starring Gavin Macleod who played Captain Stubing on the TV Series "The Love Boat". By the way, I highly recommend that film, as well as The Love Boat, of course :). May Gavin Macleod, Captain Stubing, rest in peace
@@jackmercer4244, as you most definitely know, High Tech of Today is Low Tech of Tomorrow, and Low Tech of Today High Tech of Yesterday
Beats spool.
Very interesting thx for uploading 🥸