Computers ACCESS Online Information Retrieval Systems 1974 : DIALOG, LEADER, DBMS database terminals

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  • Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
  • Computer History: Today, for review & discussion we examine a 1974 film - “Computer Information Retrieval Systems.” Early Online database systems are profiled with original film clips from the mid 1970’s. Services such as Lockheed’s DIALOG system, AQUARIUS, SPIRES-2 of Stanford University, and LEADER, and the TYMNET network.
    From the excellent UCE film “ACCESS” by John Nutt, we visit scenes from Stanford University and Berkeley, California. The structure of computer based DATABASE systems is discussed and the “future” of online systems, from the perspective of the mid 1970’s users. A fun and informative romp through the mid 1970's online computer access options. (Uploaded for review and comment only. Computer History Archives Project - CHAP)
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    The film also shows a number of terminals, including Hazeltine, IBM, etc., and a computerized ticket office in California (1975) with a Control Data Corporation “TICKETRON” terminal, and a prototype computerized information retrieval system at a bookstore in Berkeley, California. "TICKETRON" was a forerunner of Ticketmaster. Original color film from 1974. Run time about 14 mins.
    * * 2K and 4K stock footage available from Periscope Film
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    Background:
    The Lockheed DIALOG system, was developed at Palo Alto Research Laboratory in 1966, , and available commercially in 1972.
    AQUARIUS, used by the U.S. Legislative Information Center, was part of the STAIRS “Storage and Information Retrieval System,” developed by IBM.
    SPIRES, was the Stanford Public Information REtrieval System, developed in the late 1960's at Stanford University.
    “LEADER,” stood for “Lehigh Automatic Device for Efficient Retrieval,” It was conceived by Professor Donald Hillman, a pioneer in online information services in the 1960’s. LEADER allowed the end-user to search the online information system based on retrieving the full text of documents.
    LEADER was operational by 1965, and ran on the IBM model 1800 Data Acquisition and Control System, introduced of 1964.

Комментарии • 113

  • @newmankidman5763
    @newmankidman5763 11 месяцев назад +38

    The Congressman seen at minute 3:00, Paul Norton McCloskey, was recipient of a Navy Cross, a Silver Star, and two Purple Hearts. Fortunately, he is still alive and will be 96 years old in 9 days time

    • @TFinSF
      @TFinSF 11 месяцев назад +14

      He was my congressman back then (though I wasn't yet old enough to vote). Interesting that the congressman mentioned who directed the implementation of this office technology was Wayne Hays, who became better known for hiring secretaries who didn't know how to type.😉

    • @newmankidman5763
      @newmankidman5763 11 месяцев назад +11

      @@TFinSF, apparently, as long as they were his type, they did not need to know how to type

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад +5

      It was interesting to find he was first a Republican, then changed to a Democrat around 2007. Wonder what the decision point was.....

    • @lilblackduc7312
      @lilblackduc7312 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject 'Popularity'

    • @raul0ca
      @raul0ca 11 месяцев назад +5

      He beat Shirley Temple (yes, that Shirley Temple!) in the primary before he was elected to The House

  • @KK-dv3wh
    @KK-dv3wh 11 месяцев назад +30

    Wrote my first Fortran in 68 on cards. Its inspiring to revisit what we lived through and stand both before and after the great progress since. Thanks.

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад +2

      Hi @KK-dv3wh, thank you for your kind words. (Programming back in 68... very cool!) Glad you found our channel and hope you will continue to explore our vintage computing bits. ~ VK

    • @KK-dv3wh
      @KK-dv3wh 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject oh you can bet I have been 😄

  • @KrisRyanStallard
    @KrisRyanStallard 11 месяцев назад +21

    I read about that terminal in the record store in Berkeley in high school in a book called "Hackers: heros of the computer revolution." It was the behind the scenes stories of the computer revolution up until 1983 I think (it was published in the early 80's). A really great read.

  • @phildxyz
    @phildxyz 11 месяцев назад +16

    In about 1976 I worked on the computer terminals in National Westminster and Midland banks in the UK. Running on Burroughs hardware the systems allowed the banks to interrogate their customers accounts from any branch. Was an interesting job at the time, but I did not realize how far ahead of it's time this all was!

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад +3

      Hi @phildxyz, Yes, that does sound pretty advanced for 1976. People didn't realize what was coming, did they?

  • @bblod4896
    @bblod4896 11 месяцев назад +19

    Amazingly accurate predictions about the future. I remember checking stock prices and business news on the Dow Jones News Retrieval service using a small terminal built by Lexicon Corp. in Miami Lakes, Florida. Thanks for the look back CHAP.

  • @Eidelmania
    @Eidelmania 11 месяцев назад +8

    The 70's had so much culture.

    • @Citrusautomaton
      @Citrusautomaton 2 месяца назад +1

      Very visually abominable culture, but culture nonetheless.

  • @darkfoxfurre
    @darkfoxfurre 11 месяцев назад +9

    "In the future, many more communities will be connected." Yes. Yes they will.

  • @matthewvoss7365
    @matthewvoss7365 11 месяцев назад +13

    Tymnet, the beginning of the internet. It's hard to believe they had these back in the seventies.

    • @b43xoit
      @b43xoit 11 месяцев назад +5

      The film also mentions the ARPAnet.

  • @Ace1000ks19751982
    @Ace1000ks19751982 11 месяцев назад +16

    This is amazing, I didn't know something like this existed in 1974. This was back when computers were a novelty.

    • @tomservo5007
      @tomservo5007 11 месяцев назад +12

      woah woah, back it up there. 1974 computers weren't a novelty. Computers were running the backend of many medium to large institutions

    • @Ace1000ks19751982
      @Ace1000ks19751982 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@tomservo5007 I was born in 1975, so I wouldn't know.

    • @KK-dv3wh
      @KK-dv3wh 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ace1000ks19751982 you may find this interesting: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_virtual_learning_environments
      Also, videos on Colossus, and from there, the Apollo guidance computer systems, both on the ground and in flight.
      Just some random highlights that are fascinating.

    • @ran2wild370
      @ran2wild370 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@KK-dv3wh Probably those who caught 90s in their 16-20s (me too) are accustomed to think that CRT terminals were the trend of late 70s and whole 80s, as in early 70s they were really dumb and dumber. As we can see in the "Unix video" the Unix authors are still playing with teletypes in some episodes. So for me this video is rather amazing and kinda revealing 🙂

    • @thesteelrodent1796
      @thesteelrodent1796 11 месяцев назад +4

      pretty much all major companies and organisations had all their data and processing done on computers by the late 1960s. By 1974 computers were fairly commonplace and had monitors so you didn't have to do everything through a teletype, but they were still so expensive that they were mostly only in large businesses, government installations, and schools. The systems were still fairly primitive (as can also be seen in this video), but this was right around the time it all switched from requiring special training to operate a computer system, to being so user friendly anyone could get on with a computer without any real instruction

  • @thesteelrodent1796
    @thesteelrodent1796 11 месяцев назад +11

    Very interesting video on the ancestors to the internet. 15-20 minutes just to get a _list_ of articles may seem absurd today, but on average that's how long it takes to get anything relevant out of a Google search because you have to sift through page after page of ads, paid links, and the massive amount of irrelevant results their useless AI feeds you because it keeps guessing instead of searching for what you type

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад +4

      Hi @thesteelrodent1796, ""Google Ads" OMG... don't get me started... : ) Good points! ~

    • @alltheworldsastage.
      @alltheworldsastage. 6 месяцев назад

      I remember when you would google something, there was nothing google could generate to answer the question.

    • @puppiesarepower3682
      @puppiesarepower3682 28 дней назад

      It used to take 15-20 minutes to get AOL to go online and another 15-20 minutes to download a RUclips video.

  • @supercompooper
    @supercompooper 11 месяцев назад +8

    My best friend and mentor Gus German made the library system for the Library of Congress, the Vatican, and more. Some of this was probably his invention! He also invented RAID (before it was called RAID)! RIP Gus 😊

  • @josephgaviota
    @josephgaviota 9 дней назад +1

    As a guy who started with computers in 1975, I find these vids _very_ interesting.

  • @kennywest831
    @kennywest831 11 месяцев назад +6

    Love the keyboards. I want one.

  • @headpox5817
    @headpox5817 11 месяцев назад +10

    Thanks again, CHAP. Love the chaps at CHAP ! Great work. 🙂
    It's great to see so much "big iron" hardware in the film - to think, it's all landfill now.....😒

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад

      Yes, mostly likely much went to landfills. Before the days of recycling and harvesting big time. Bits and pieces, boards and tubes, one can find on eBay it seems. Thanks very much for your feedback! ~ CHAP

    • @travisporco
      @travisporco 11 месяцев назад

      The univac I learned Fortran on had 8 meg of RAM...we were so awed at the time. It's no doubt in some landfill too.

  • @raul0ca
    @raul0ca 11 месяцев назад +7

    5:30 is why the terminals at school were soo sticky

  • @kd4pba
    @kd4pba 11 месяцев назад +21

    Dagwod sandwich? Hey there's no eating in here someone could get hurt

  • @basfinnis
    @basfinnis 11 месяцев назад +5

    Wonderful stuff. So interesting 😉
    Thank you for uploading this.

  • @jason3fc
    @jason3fc 11 месяцев назад +6

    Interesting to see the graphics they used at 10:08 with bright on black usage of Helvetica style fonts in a film about Access retrieval systems. When about 10-15 years later this similar look would be the basis for LCARS that Okuda used for TNG.

    • @Mainyehc
      @Mainyehc 11 месяцев назад +2

      It’s a neat simulation, for sure.

    • @jason3fc
      @jason3fc 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah obviously that and the whole Leader thing was just simulated animation for the film. But it was interesting seeing something that looked like LCARS including the same font in a film about Library Computer Access and Retrieval Systems :) @@Mainyehc

    • @thesteelrodent1796
      @thesteelrodent1796 11 месяцев назад +1

      bright on black is incidentially less stressful for the eyes (thus the massive shift to dark mode in recent years), and in terms of filming, it is easier for the cameras to focus on because it emits far less light and has higher contrast than anything on white backgrounds, where the background tends to get completely blown out (especially on 70s cameras)

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад

      How do you think the "Leader" segment was simulated?

    • @jason3fc
      @jason3fc 10 месяцев назад

      @@ComputerHistoryArchivesProject It did not look at all like shots from an actual system, it looked like animation of it on film to approximate what it looked like for the sake of a clear. legible, marketable presentation.

  • @jcasetnl
    @jcasetnl 11 месяцев назад +5

    The honey in the thumbnail is at 11:30.

  • @newmankidman5763
    @newmankidman5763 11 месяцев назад +4

    My computer and I thank you, my good chap

  • @Brian-li5up
    @Brian-li5up 11 месяцев назад +3

    Fascinating, thanks for sharing

  • @Madness832
    @Madness832 11 месяцев назад +8

    The ARPAnet evolved into today's Internet.

  • @65gtotrips
    @65gtotrips 7 месяцев назад

    DIGITAL Equipment Corporation VAX systems were being used with VT terminals in the early to mid 1990’s when I worked as an on-site field engineer at several Pharmaceutical companies in the Philadelphia, PA area.

  • @MediaWest
    @MediaWest 11 месяцев назад +3

    we were on the arpanet at u of illinois in 75. also the homebrewed computer club, where the two steves were also part of, and their blue box fake call device that started apple.

  • @donsurlylyte
    @donsurlylyte 11 месяцев назад +7

    how primitive, and yet it seemed so futuristic.

  • @thelegion_within
    @thelegion_within 10 месяцев назад +2

    interesting how the arpa network was mentioned very briefly.

  • @travisporco
    @travisporco 11 месяцев назад +2

    prescient...at the time that stuff was incredibly exciting and futuristic. You have to imagine looking at now-primitive terminals, but having the same feelings that Chat-GPT gives you now.

  • @AndyBHome
    @AndyBHome 11 месяцев назад +2

    I subscribed to DIALOG in 1986 so I could use the international electronic mail feature. I could send a message to Japan that would arrive in 4 hours, or less!

  • @65gtotrips
    @65gtotrips 7 месяцев назад

    I have rock concert ticket stubs from the late 70’s to 90’s with ‘TicketTron’ on them.

  • @ran2wild370
    @ran2wild370 11 месяцев назад +6

    What really upsets in this video is that it is so much detailed and then you suddenly realize that 50 years burned out and mostly all those young people are now really old and many pictured mid-agers already passed away. Scary truth of life. 😐😐

  • @bhoot1702
    @bhoot1702 Месяц назад +1

    1:55 wow ❤

  • @TalesOfGothic
    @TalesOfGothic 11 месяцев назад +2

    Sup it’s TalesOfGothic here

  • @shaveandahaircut3bits
    @shaveandahaircut3bits 11 месяцев назад +1

    love how they used the same guy to represent different types, especially Student

  • @4wheelwarrior
    @4wheelwarrior 11 месяцев назад +2

    What the flyin fck kind of display is that LEADER system using!!? Totally Dope!

  • @josephgaviota
    @josephgaviota 9 дней назад +1

    5:22 "DAGWOOD SANDWICH" Wow, I wonder how many people today will catch the "Blondie" reference?

  • @user181
    @user181 11 месяцев назад +1

    12:20 underrated prediction

  • @MattSiegel
    @MattSiegel 11 месяцев назад +1

    community memory!!! awesome

  • @macrograms
    @macrograms 11 месяцев назад +1

    restaurant reviews in 1974: all green. :)

  • @abandoninplace2751
    @abandoninplace2751 11 месяцев назад +4

    Hazeltine is a name i hadn't thought of in eons.

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад

      Hi @abandoninplace2751, had not heard of Hazeltine either, but apparently it was one of the very first high quality and popular terminals. Various models were made........

  • @K-Riz314
    @K-Riz314 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hey, no smoking around the Uni terminal! You'll gunk up the works.

  • @caulkins69
    @caulkins69 11 месяцев назад +1

    I wish keyboards still sounded like that.

  • @W1RMD
    @W1RMD 11 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent. I don't know where Waldo is, but his sister is at 11:30.

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids 11 месяцев назад +1

      It's nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking that...

  • @atssynthesisats
    @atssynthesisats 10 месяцев назад +1

    Steve Jobbs look alike at the end

  • @supergeek0177
    @supergeek0177 11 месяцев назад +3

    Wow that part at 05:40 looking up restaurants … with reviews?! Hahaha wow

    • @alquinn8576
      @alquinn8576 11 месяцев назад +2

      and incredibly, no fake reviews or shitty scammy google results

  • @CM_Burns
    @CM_Burns 11 месяцев назад +5

    thumbnail shows the female Where's Waldo.

    • @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject
      @ComputerHistoryArchivesProject  11 месяцев назад +2

      The lady in the Thumbnail is in the segment at 11:30. She runs the TICKETRON ticket sales and reservations.

  • @arkadybron1994
    @arkadybron1994 11 месяцев назад +2

    Interestingly, none of the people seen or heard using any of these systems, could type.

  • @josephgaviota
    @josephgaviota 9 дней назад +1

    1:45 I have a "clicky" Cherry keyboard, but the keyboard this woman is using is WAY LOUD !

  • @ran2wild370
    @ran2wild370 11 месяцев назад +1

    Oh my God! Hell a lot, a huuge quantity of CRT terminals!!! 20 years later those will be Windows95 office PCs. Anyway the server backbone took quite long to evolve until all those tape libraries were replaced by HDD storage technology.

  • @thalpha5148
    @thalpha5148 11 месяцев назад +2

    What command do you type to take a selfie

    • @jw8160
      @jw8160 11 месяцев назад

      😂

  • @abes.4040
    @abes.4040 5 месяцев назад +1

    in the 70s being a barber meant making 20 dollars a week.

  • @Mainyehc
    @Mainyehc 11 месяцев назад +2

    Boolean operators in 1974! Eat your heart out, Google!

  • @gilbert1975nf
    @gilbert1975nf 11 месяцев назад +1

    ChatGPT

  • @Edward-bm7vw
    @Edward-bm7vw 11 месяцев назад +2

    Goodness these people type SO SLOW

    • @Mainyehc
      @Mainyehc 11 месяцев назад +1

      I suspect it’s because most of them are actors, did you notice the long list of those in the end credits? ;) Back then only typists knew how to do it quickly!

  • @MagikGimp
    @MagikGimp 11 месяцев назад +1

    Half of this looks like a parody now with the specky nerds going full-on with the stereotypes. And why did they add sound effects?!

  • @jackmercer4244
    @jackmercer4244 11 месяцев назад +4

    microfiche 🤣🤣🤣

    • @albear972
      @albear972 11 месяцев назад +2

      It was still used by the high school library up onto 1990. But it, it makes you laugh. Good for you.

    • @jackmercer4244
      @jackmercer4244 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@albear972 Yup, it was even used in the USMC when I was stationed in Okinawa in 96 . I was the "Publications Bubba" for my Combat Engineer Battalion. I maintained our heavy equipment repair manuals library. Low tech always make me laugh because we are so spoiled with high tech high capacity drives today.
      Another thing that makes me laugh is a quote in the 1995 film Hackers "Yo. Check this out guys, this is insanely great, it's got a 28.8 BPS modem! " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
      It only gets funnier and funnier as IT progresses!

    • @newmankidman5763
      @newmankidman5763 11 месяцев назад +2

      I first heard of Microfiche a few years ago in a time travel film called "Time Changer", co-starring Gavin Macleod who played Captain Stubing on the TV Series "The Love Boat". By the way, I highly recommend that film, as well as The Love Boat, of course :). May Gavin Macleod, Captain Stubing, rest in peace

    • @newmankidman5763
      @newmankidman5763 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@jackmercer4244, as you most definitely know, High Tech of Today is Low Tech of Tomorrow, and Low Tech of Today High Tech of Yesterday

    • @KK-dv3wh
      @KK-dv3wh 11 месяцев назад +2

      Beats spool.

  • @Parakinese
    @Parakinese 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting thx for uploading 🥸