Mahler's BRUTAL rehearsals 🎶😡🎶
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Mahler apparently used to wage psychological warfare against his musicians...even his friends had something to say about it...
#classicalmusic #mahler #history #orchestra
Walter, Bruno. Theme and Variations: An Autobiography. Translated by James A. Galston, Knopf, 1946.
Adorno, Theodor W. "Gustav Mahler: Fragments on His Personality." Telos, vol. 16, no. 4, 1973, pp. 154-162.
Mahler; Symphony No.1 Mvnt. IV
DuPage Symphony Orchestra, 12 May 2012
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I just imagine Mahler going off like chef Gordon Ramsey on these poor musicians XD
I’d be the first one to cry in front of the entire orchestra 😂😂…fortunately, all of my conductors have been pleasant!
🤣
He’s literally THE Gordon Ramsey of classical music
Toscanini as well.
@@ibamINV
CORPO D'UN DIO, CONTRABASSI! E ROMPICOGLIONI EH! ALWAYS LATE! YOU HAVE NO EARS YOU HAVE NO EYES NOTHING AT all... 'ca madonna santissima
"You have not yet played a single bar as I intended it!" sounds straight out of a manga
😂😂 It does!
Brahms: “Finally the worthy opponent.”
Was Brahms a wild conductor too?
@@secondchairmusic I mean both Mahler and Brahms were perfectionists.
Ooohhh. Yeah!
Mahler was the only conductor that Brahms found any good. Brahms never went to see Mozart operas, since he thought the conductors usually ruined the beautiful music. Until one day, when he heard Mahler conduct ‘Don Giovanni’ in Budapest. Brahms famously yelled “Now, that guy is something else!” and rushed onstage to embrace Mahler. A life-long friendship ensued.
So basically he was a Steve Jobs of music industry back in his days.
I couldn't imagine Mahler and Toscanini in the same rehearsal. I learned that Toscanini would talk ill about himself all the time. But Mahler and Toscanini were both extreme perfectionists, for sure.
You're the second person to mention Toscanini...I know very little about him. Was he really that bad? 😂😂
@@secondchairmusic There's a recording of Toscanini in rehearsal completely destroying the Double Basses. One of his greatest lines was "You have no ears, no eye! Nothing at all!" He actually broke a lot of his batons because he threw them down so hard. He was known for his strictness, and, as I said, his perfectionism.
Geez, man…😭😭 I’m lucky that I never had the misfortune of working with a conductor like that. The worst thing I’ve had to deal with were the conductors who liked to conduct in “Circle-time”. 😂😂😂
@@secondchairmusic I feel like "Circle-Time" is something Richard Strauss would do! 🤣 Conductors are definitely the people that you want to get angry the least, since they're pretty much the head-honcho. I learned that Leopold Stokowski got extremely upset during a rehearsal once, and started swearing out everyone. He had to be escorted out of the rehearsal until he calmed down. Being a conductor is a very serious job, but these famous people take it a bit too seriously a lot of the time.
@@johnnytheyoungmaestro They sometimes forget that we are real people with real feelings…not robots!! 😭😭 I’m not saying that people (especially grown people) need to be coddled, but blatant disrespect is soooo uncalled for.
Im very sad for people like this. Perfection is good, but so is kindness and understanding.
They make their own bed. He wants “perfection“ but is unable to direct them to achieve it so he exhauts and frustrates himself. The problem is in him.
Mahler was quite possibly the greatest conductor of all time though. So he would have said that through his discipline and intensity he DID achieve incredible results, and that he pushed himself just as hard as everyone else, in fact even more so.
@@music838r6 greatest conductor? Have you watched him conduct live?
No, just like Liszt for example we can only go off what his contemporaries said. And although as a composer he was controversial, as a conductor he became a great conductor of the Vienna Philharmonic and led the "Golden Age" of the Vienna Court Opera. Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Schoenberg, Strauss ect were amazed by him. Klemperer said he was "a thousand times finer than Toscanini", Walter called him "the greatest performing musician I ever met, without any exception", and Von Bulow who was one of the greatest conductors of the era (he conducted the premiere of Tristan) once got of the podium during a concert and literally went out to Mahler in the audience to beg him to conduct the concert (Mahler was horrified and embarrassed haha). And I could go on but you get the idea. Mahler actually became a great composer on the side during his short summer vacations, but the big majority of his time and energy actually went into being a conductor.
@@Character_Limitand it isn’t achieved by making an enemy of the good. Perfection is delusional to actually expect to achieve.
I want to see a 1v1 Mahler vs that teacher from Whiplash
EXACTLY!
He was the Gordon Ramsey of classical music.
"WHERE'S the TENNOR SAX"
awesome comment
As my symphony director would say “play fucking better”
Wow, where do you play?
whereas i would sit nervously in the audience and be a bit too scared to tell the orchestra what i wanted. maybe i should’ve been a bit more confident about my music, and take a leaf out of mahler’s book…
It’s just not in your character, Shosty…you’re simply too mild..which isn’t a bad thing.
hot take maybe but if you say "you have not yet played a single bar as I intended it", then you're just a bad conductor
Common sense
He’s renowned for being a great conductor so it’s probably more likely just differences in the interpretation of the way Mahler would conduct
OH MY GOSH mahler is brutal almost like beethoven lmaooo
Personally, I think Mahler might’ve been worse…for obvious reasons..🦻🏻🦻🏻
😂😂😂😂
@SecondChairMusic Yeah for sure beethoven just shouted at them and mahler made them revualte life lmaooo 🤣🤣
BEETHOVEN is GOD. 🎹😫
and 🐐
Its mostly beacause he wrote what he was conducting so he knew exactly how it should sound...
So nowdays every single conductor has his own concept,.but yet its not the original one
That picture of Mahler yelling caught me off guard 😨
How I would have loved to hear Mahler conduct his symphonies!
😎🎹
Symphony #9 movement IV is my favorite Mahler piece.
Great composer, but I wouldn't want to hang out with him.
Mahler is the final boss of all conductors and orchestras combined.
He would love computer midis ans probably msuescore being able to play notes to the most precision
Some words about Mahler the torn human. His symphonic ideas are based on psychic lability….. and it got great symphonic expression. ❤
A tortured soul but heartbroken Mahler must have had some joy if not my own his music so perfect
always the plight of a great genius living among mere mortals - there can be no happiness
Not quite my tempo vibes
Mahler's still my favorite symphony composer.
There are plenty of old interviews available with musicians who performed with Mahler and Toscanini. They offer a far rounder picture of the two than the handful of examples that are given here.
Very surprised to not see any whiplash comments
I saw this right below a whiplash comment
Can you imagine Mahler's reaction while (and especially after) listening to the "completed" Cooke version of his 10th Symphony? I think he'd be present at a bail hearing for murder by morning! He left three or so staves of all movements (as I understand) but the 10th we have today, though a mind-blowing masterpiece, is there for us only because Mahler didn't live long enough to finish it. Don't get me wrong; it's incredibly, ridiculously beautiful, especially the Adagio and Finale. I believe we hear enough to know had he lived to complete it to perfection, the 10th might have been perhaps his greatest... and among the top five of any symphony... yes, including theirs, too.
What do you think, gentle reader?
Reminds me of Whiplash, as the conductor there was very strict.
I wonder if any chairs were thrown
Whiplash was a caricature. A nightmare version of reality. It would get someone arrested for abuse in real life.
Hard to compare apples to apples, since it was “a different time” in his day, so the orchestra members probably continued to show deference. That said - and I say this as a huge fan of his music - dude was an asshole.
Maybe one of the reasons the Wiener Philharmoniker is praised as one of the best orchestras in the world, if not the best, and the Wiener Staatsoper is also one of the leading opera houses.
That’s a right just for geniuses like him😂
sounds like my orchestra teacher
And yet, he has not been cancelled. I suppose there might be a backlash somewhere? But it wouldn't last for ever. I think it can be a cautionary tale.
The pictures of mahler conducting look so funny to me.
Back when I was still using an early version of StableDiffusion as opposed to Midjourney. 🤣🤣
Do you know where Mahler was from? It might surprise you, he was born in the south Bohemia, modern Czechia! :D
he was a Jew
whiplash but in the 1900s instead
In New York he intimidated a trombonist to the point he refused to play a section alone in front of everyone. He told him, "You know, you have no business playing in an orchestra."
what is the name of the piece that plays in the background of this video?
@secondchairmusic
The last movement of his first symphony, “Titan”.
Thank you
Perfection is such a subjective thing, of course the performance took hours. I feel like a lot of the fun of music comes from the interpretation and kind of freedom/personality you can display while playing, of course, that goes completely against Mahler's point of view, so I suppose to each his own.
Good thing his music is good, else ...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 True maestro!!!
I did not know mahler was friend whit the one Why cook😮
Based af
Funny aside, they were rehearsing Kindertotenlieder, so it was kind of a children's game.
The ai photos are weird
bro, humans aren't midi player
Mahler vs Whiplash
NOT MY FUCKING TEMPO!
Hot take, if he couldn't get a single measure played the way he intended in hours he is a bad conductor. Most people can do that with a high school, nonetheless a professional orchestra.
not quite my tempo
So Alma gave him the Karma that musicians couldn’t…
Wouldn’t he like to know that children now actually play his music? That kind of pursuit of perfection is so unhealthy.
Maybe it is, and yet he probably would not have become the great composer and conductor that he was without it. He definitely enjoyed the struggle.
Mahler Wojak
He reminds of toscanini lol
Even as i love Mahler music, i can't feel empathy whit his level of perfectionism, it seem neurotic. I think him suffer a lot because of that.
and i thought toscanini was bad
Mahler liked to Maul his musicians…😊
I guess u could say he was a MAUL-er??
I’ll show myself the door…
Sounds miserable
Yay❤🎉🎉😮😅
Yay? You like being tortured in rehearsals? 🤣🤣
I would call him arrogant but given what he achieved i would be too
Whiplash
I believe Hitler learnt ranting from him
While mahler is a great composer, acting like this shouldnt be normalized or tolerated.
Wrong not true at all at that time it was the musicians who chose their conductor he could not be unpleasant towards the musicians
Sounds like possession.
Possessed with the demon of perfection. 😆 However, by all accounts, these torturous rehearsals were worth it...they resulted in sublime performances!
and his music is so boring, damn
I thought he was cool
Sucks to suck. Guy obviously was a bad leader to try so hard and get bad results from professionals
Actually he might have been the greatest conductor of all time. Just like Liszt for example we can only go off what his contemporaries said, but although as a composer he was controversial, as a conductor he became a great conductor of the Vienna Philharmonic and led the "Golden Age" of the Vienna Court Opera. Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Schoenberg, Strauss ect were amazed by him. Klemperer said he was "a thousand times finer than Toscanini", Walter called him "the greatest performing musician I ever met, without any exception", and Von Bulow who was one of the greatest conductors of the era (he conducted the premiere of Tristan) once got of the podium during a concert and literally went out to Mahler in the audience to beg him to conduct the concert (Mahler was horrified and embarrassed haha). And I could go on but you get the idea. Mahler actually became a great composer on the side during his short summer vacations, but the big majority of his time and energy actually went into being a conductor. Not saying all really good conductors are like that (and he did have a softer side too if the orchestra was doing its job correctly), but he definitely made it work for him.
no wonder I’ve never cared for Mahler-…
At least he got the results he was looking for!
Mahler was a sick personality or if you like an unpleasant and disgusting person, sexually unhappy and ugly, too. As a musician he was one of the possible developments and results of a tradition. 🌿
Would of told him to shuv it.
He sounds obnoxious honestly
完璧主義者だ😅
Awful.
If Fletcher went into classical music