Ford F-150 - Rear end Noise 9.75 - Part ll
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- 2004 Ford F150, Rear End - Part ll its been a long wait and your about to find out why! wow is all i can say, this one nearly got the best of me. not to mention the compiling footage that added up in the process! nearly 12hrs piecing back together to bring this to you! hope i did you well and the wait was worth wild. come along and watch as i do my best to share my reasoning in addition to taking on one of the most dreaded task for most technicians! this is when preparation setup and patients is key. hope you enjoy
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Unusually thorough coverage of the task. Thanks much for making the effort to document this process. I may still choose to pay someone else to rebuild my F150 pumpkin, but I feel like you provided most of the knowledge that I will need to undertake the job.
great video. super informative. almost like taking a class on rebuilding ford diffs.
happy543210 thank you! That's great feedback glad you felt that way :)
@@robinsonsauto yes i know,,3 yrs ago.. hell id be down the wreckers buy a $300 d60. be done with that crap..
@@phantomwalker8251 - so you're saying instead of going through all this trouble it would probably be easier to go to the junkyard and take off the whole differential and just use that ? have you done that before??
Man, it's a little disheartening to watch someone who really cares go through a diff after someone who just kind of made it work to turn a job around and get it out the door. Kudos to you for being upstanding in your craft. I'd bring my 06 F-150 to your shop next week for a rear end rebuild if you were in Baton Rouge.
Your attention to detail is top notch. I like the idea to use the old bearing to knock in the new race. Also the feeler gauges to
check that the race is seated. Very nice job with the video and the rear.. I found your channel a couple of weeks ago when I was watching Brake Kleen man over at SMA...
Great stuff man. This is going to be invaluable. I've never opened a rear end before, but I have a shudder on deceleration that I believe is coming from the diff. wish me luck.
Very insightful. Lots of great information here. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have been awaiting patiently for it after watching the first one.
The Shpeence thank you I'm glad you found value in the content, sorry it took so long, lots of set backs along the way, part 3 coming soon
cool vid - learned enough to not try any of this myself - ever
Smart!!
@Jermaine Joel and then had sex with your cat ? get a life.
Very good video and kudos to Tammy. Can't wait for the install.
Eric Corse thank you for the feedback! I will pass the kudos along to Tammy
41:54 so grateful to have found this series. I'm about to embark on this task myself for the first time ever on my 2013 raptor. Every part house around town was $900+ for a rebuild kit W/O ring and pinion! On a whim I swung into the local Ford dealership and dropped less than $350 for all the bearings and shims. Hearing the sound in the first video, I knew this was it as mine sounds the same except it is constant, whether I'm on throttle or off. So, now I ordered my ring and pinion gears as well, after seeing the damage to that one(may as well do it all right?). Found a returned but new set on Amazon for $58 made by the ssame brand you used here. Hopefully it isn't junk.
Anyhow, glad to have found this vid, will be subscribing for sure!
Differentials are a PIA to repair. I filmed the 3 part series I did on a Dana 35 and it took hours longer and even more hours editing. The total adsense revenue LIFEtime on all 3 vids is about $11. It's a labor of love for me. I feel your pain Will!
Ozzstar very true, most all we do on here ads up to very little, pennies on the hour if we are lucky. most people don't realize this, i agree it's a labor of love, a sense of pride and confidence in our abilities, putting our selves out there for the world to see, keeps us honest and to be honest it's taught me to slow down and think deeper as a viewer would expect, on and off cam I find myself following this practice now, the value in this alone is priceless. thank you for stopping by
+robinsonsauto very well said. Agree 100%
Oh yeah...final drives can be so finicky to set up. Nice to see a pro going through all the steps. Btw, nice photography at 51:25. :-P And happy belated, mate!
aussiebloke609 sure can be a pain hahaha now that raises a question I'm sure. 51:25 at the end of the day which final drive do I prefer 😂🍻
Great vid -- Happy Birthday!! Hope you have a great time off from the daily grind.
goodfellowsgarage thank you!!! it's been a great weekend, on our way to the shore, kids are having a good time. it's more for them. but I'm ok with that 😂🍻😎👙
Kinda stumbled upon this video. I don’t do the heavy stuff anymore(age&cancer)but, decided to check this out.
Your tone & delivery is great. You have that methodical - cool, calm, collected, manner.
Don’t ask me what “collected” is . .. I’ve been collected from . . But ..
I subscribed because of your demeanor. 👍
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Video was terrific . Great job as always. And happy birthday!
New Level Auto thank you Keith
Happy belated birthday young fella! Thanks for the video.
thank you! i feel old lol hoping that changes as i get older. thanks again
Thanks for the great video I'm a novice my mec told me the R.E would be going out on my new 96 F150 so i decide to change out the oil myself and see if the whining goes away your video showed me there are so many things that can be wrong so i guess i will just drive till it goes if the oil change doesn't make a differance.
frank atstarisland
Ya lot more going on besides some fluid change. Lol. It’s amazing how much engineering going into the rear end etc. cool
The peining of the inner bearing race diameter is an old toolmaker fix. If the diameter is too small you make it bigger by center punching the diameter to make it bigger, so you can press on the race and still maintain a press fit. Green Loctite will do the same thing, perhaps both.
Always good Content ... Thanks. 🙂
Happy belated Birthday! Great part 2. Standing by for part 3.
thank you
Is there a part 3 2 years later ?
nice helper you got there...and the video is awesome, too.
Always learn something from your videos. Good work team. Happy Birthday Will.
thank you, means a lot bud. i will pass on to Tammy as well, thanks again
Happy belated B-Day my friend. Excellent job so far. I sure wish i was 38 again.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Will ! super enjoy watching your vids man.. thumbs up..!
thank you bud, part 3 will be up in the morning, all day edit man i loss my pants on all this extra time lol thanks for stopping by
Happy birthday!! Thumbs up, and to Tammy too!
thank you! its appreciated i will pass on the kind feedback to Tammy
Fascinating information. Love rear axles & amazed at all that goes into building one. Must be a great feeling to build your own axle then drive at highway speeds then put your hand on it & know it's normal temps which indicates it's good to go.
This helped me a lot. never took a rear end apart. Mine ford making the same noise. Started working today. April 13 2019. Thanks for information dude.
Excellent video!!!! Keep up the good work!!! And HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
thank you , thank you and thank you :) its appreciated
Great part 2 Will boy they must of been some big stumps to have caused all that damage lol and a happy birthday to you
Paul Mayou thank you, lol the root of the stump vs the root of gear. who really won In the end hahaha.
robinsonsauto looks like the stump has won or was it trump lol
At 51:24 - I really like this technique 😉. Thanks for posting this informative video.
Happy Birthday! Great Video, Thanks Will
thank you, and your welcome anytime
Very good, detailed video... Thank You.
Great video, and you have the best film crew.
I really love your work. Happy almost next bday!
Moving Up Diy thank you it's appreciated! 👍😊
Very thorough, nice!
Thomas EXOVCDS thank you bud, glad you stopped by
Got to love her sense of humor LOL
Great video as usual. Happy Birthday Sir.
By the way, make sure you sent off the copyright checks to Eric O for the use of the "brake clean" and his catch phrase "there's your problem lady"
mousegouse thank you thank you, yes the checks in the mail 😉I couldn't resist. Great guy good friend
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Nice job Will. Happy Birthday !
thank you, thank you ;)
Great detailed video! I learned a lot! Now I want to rebuild one ;) Hope you had a great B-day!
farmboy30117
My B day was May 4 1966.
looks like it was run out of oil for some time and then refilled.! Happy belated Birthday Will.!
that is possible, i was leaning towards the same in part 1 not sure why i didnt mention that as a possible cause, but yes this was at another shop just prior to mine for a axle seal. it very well could have ran empty good point! thank you for the feedback
Great job whit this differential, keep doing an a good stuff and we wish you the best.
Dude, you are what a wrench should be, dad would be proud
happy belated birthday looking forward to a prt3
Desmond Blyan thank you! Part 3 is in the works
Well explained , beautiful demonstrated
Hooo boy you should hear what the rear diff on the project truck I bought yesterday sounds like 🤣
Learning a lot
When I worked with Ford axle building the 9.75 F-150 axles, I seem to remember the acceptable ring gear to pinion backlash was no more than .010 to .012.
Great Video and happy birthday
Tim webb than you, thank you :)
That ok on the case is from the backlash check , pattern check. Original case. Stopped using tone ring on case a few years ago. Now on axle
Good video and explaining the drive side and coast side Man U are a great tech and that’s what I do in hvac show and explain what needs replaced and show the bad parts /cya
Happy belated Birthday!
Charles E. Malone thank you 👍 my birthday lasts at least three days 😂 I'm in Jersey now with the family, races last night shore to today 🍻
robinsonsauto Thanks for sharing the video. I live in Jersey. Just curious where you went to watch races?
First of all, I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise. You explain things as you go, so that a beginner DIY'er can have a clearer understanding of the process, and your attention to detail is Exceptional. Although I'm not a Mechanic, I've done several differentials over the past 55 years that I've turned a wrench, but have never had the opportunity to learn in that timeframe, what you've taught me over the course of watching your videos. You Sir, are a Top Notch Mechanic, and I am looking forward to learning more from you in the near future as you post more videos. Thank you so much for taking the time to produce videos that both educational, and exciting to watch. God bless you , and please take care and stay safe Sir.
knurling is what they call that seen it done in a shop i worked at in the past. watching this vid because my 04 f 150 is making the same noise and i know it has a back lash issue as well, im hoping its not as bad as this one.
What did this repair cost if u dont mind me asking?
Great video a lot of good information getting ready to do my first gear swap and an 18 f150 I would like to see something on the front end
Pulling stumps? That should explain it all. The guy could have bought an old farm tractor for the cost of his differential damage. Nice video. Had a few f-150's 98-2000 and the differential had a whine and lot of play in them.
Richard Raucina I’ll bet he was pulling them backwards also from the front tow hooks. I see those videos all the time on RUclips.
Damn I love that press you have
Excellent
thank you
I'm glad your wife said she liked it nice & deep cuz it's nice to know my mind isn't the only one in the gutter. Right before she days that I actually said that's what she said. Lmao 🤣 🤣
Mine had a drum brakes put on . Got a used rear end with discs and luckly came from a wrecked truck. I didn't want to mess with it . Changing crown and pinion plus bearings and seals would run up the price and would be still taking a chance to get it set to specs
NICE to have So'ooo many family members ! lol
seeing the same Ford problems over the years
I have come to believe that the Ring is only surface hardened, and the gear is actually fairly soft
thus, under heavy loads, the pattern distorts
Embree Smith you may be on to something! thank you for the feedback it's appreciated
forgot to mention--
in conversations with Ford engineers, they led me to believe it was to forestall chipping, or breakage, or cracking of the gear under heavy shock loads
like my 1970 427 SOHC Mustang...
34,000 miles.. a Quarter Mile at a time :)
the gear would crack much easier if it was through hardened. you want some compliance in it for long life
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Where's part 3? I was digging this!
Hahahaha, chicken pecked the top and bottom of the support case halves. Yep, seen this many times. Rebuilt diffs for almost 9 years in the heavy duty, over the road, and agricultural industry. Sometimes the support case halves are so obsolete that you cant find the parts on old diffs and things that you just have to chicken peck the surfaces and throw some red loctite on it and hope for the best.
Crows feet marks on the drive side of the ring and pinion. Meritor and Eaton failure analysis classic resemblance to the Forementioned .
very good analysis! i would agree its a very good possibility and slipped my mind i should have mentioned that as a likely cause as well. thank you for the feedback
I would toss that carrier . Chances are the traction lock clutches are shot too . Mine has chatter on taking off on turns . I want to use a torsen style carrier on mine
Steven Tenney yes that carrier is being scrapped, used as you seen is the best I could do for him, little time and money play a factor
Why the talk of replacing the rear end for a bad carrier. New carrier can be had for the cost of a used/questionable rear assembly. Plus less work.
I know you have to make money… and the client doesn’t want to spend too much….. but if it were my rear end, I’d want to get a new or rebuilt rear end. Their only about $300-500 depending on the remanufacturing company.
I have an 07 that I purchased with 60k mikes a couple of months ago. The previous owner was trying to be nice and have all the fluids swapped. Unfortunately they put the wrong fluid in the rear end and within 100 miles it was screaming. I’m just going to order s new front and rear end differential and get 4:10 gears for the 35” tires I’m planning to use.
Hope your company is growing band and your doing well.
Either I missed a part or you reinstalled the bad/worn ring gear onto the carrier from the junk yard?
i have never seen a factory 4.56 gear ever put in a ford or any make of truck newer than 1960 so someone put it in and did it wrong. after you got done with the rear i hope you checked the front end also
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Thank you.
What part of Tammy are we focusing on LOL. I was looking at race but...
Ive seen a few with shims on the outer bearings
if he was pulling stumps, he more than likely crushed the crush sleeve more and loosened the pinion a little.
Man, it never ends. Bad news w/more bad news. SOB!
Really great videos sir I love how you explain everything would you suggest tackling this type of job with just a couple of jack stands or should I just take it to a shop and have them work on it? I feel confident that i could do the job however I don't want to risk my safety and don't necessarily have all the tools.
Very god vid! I learned a lot. I didn't understand why you put the new ring gear on the 2nd carrier. Why not on the original? Was there something wrong with the original I missed?
Thank you for the hard video work.
Eric
Happy Belated Birthday
I think it looks like it was run out of oil for some time and then refilled. Doesn't the wear pattern look pretty good as opposed to the amount of wear?
most likely was! thanks for bringing this up! i was leaning towards the same after finding out it was at another shop a few weeks earlier for a axle bearing and seal as mentioned in part 1. not sure why i failed to mention again in this part. thank you. i agree that is very likely! just because i drained a lot out we cant forget it was most likely topped off a few weeks ago, wish i had that answer
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The whole time I was watching this I was wondering how many hours you put into this job? Now, having said that, I realize filming it for RUclips, and explaining what you were doing probablly slowed things down a lot. But still I would imagine this being at least a 4 hour job at your regular-professional speed?
I got quoted 8 hours today for the rear on a 2015 f150 gear swap (9.75) smh,gonna do it myself
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I've taken my 06 F150 Lariat 2 WD 5.4 to a shop that rebuilds rear differentials. Due to an increasingly loud whining/roaring from the rearend. Jacked up rear wheels off ground sound seems concentrated just behind rear of drive shaft in differential. Hope when they open it up gears are ok and replacing bearings cures it. Dealer wanted $3850.00
Also got a misfire at low rpm on climbing hills around 45 mph. Jerking. But quits upon acceleration. Spark plug I suspect misfiring. Looking to have all plugs replaced while they got it. Told Motorcraft plugs only. Hopefully coils ok and they've advised intake cleaning then drive to burn clean plugs to reduce chances of plugs breaking . Trying to hope, pray, and think positive. Lol
Oh yeah. Take care them knees Brother. Pads or something. I know wore that t shirt. Lol
Better hope it isn't your cam phasers lol. You can try and test it by putting it in drive, keeping the brake on, and holding it at about 900-100 rom or so and holding it there. If it starts misfiring, you have bigger issues.
Last time I put a ring gear on a carrier just used a rubber mallet to tap it in place.
Antonio Carlos Madeira that works, just make sure the holes are aligned with a few started and tap away
Use an induction hot plate to heat up bearings or anthing else... No big oven needed...
She’s wants you ....good for you sir.
The ring gear change probably weight reduction schedule per Ford.They need a bit more left shim or did someone over torque pinion gear . That ok is ford OE maybe its in my 2002 9.75 im original owner
Why press the cone bearings on dry????
22:22 penning black smith @ dutch carpenter trick a .500 dowel will not go into a .500 hole it needs too be at least .499
on my 2002 F150, something in my drivetrain makes noise as I approach 50mph. Doesn't make more or less noise if I push the accelerator or not. Already replaced the rear wheel bearings. Wondering where I should look next.
Cheaper to repair than replace?
hey will correct me if iam wrong but I believe dana makes ford rear axles and I've seen them believe it or not put shims behind them carrier bearings for preloads it crazy and I don't understand why but they say dana sets them up that way my research and check it out! great video!
Greg Robinson yes you are correct. Many other rears use shims behind the bearings, it's actually pretty common. I just never seen it on this setup before. I should have clarified that, sorry for the misinterpretation, thank for bringing this up though. We found the reasoning to be pretty obvious this time around, if they have used them on the 9.75" I just haven't seen it. They may in certain applications
robinsonsauto thanks will iam a Chevy man myself they seem easier to me on there rear differentials I think chevys are manufactured by American axles Corp now days they seem easier to set up then a dana the danas sometimes have to have a case spreader to get the side bearings to go in with the shims for the proper preload the diff case design is just so damn tight on those danas! I will stick to my chevys but in your case you have to do whatever comes your way because it's your profession I just like to do automotive for a hobby iam working on my old 1990 Chevy k1500 truck just about every summer its great teacher for basic automotive training easy to work on!
At my local Ford dealership I asked for Timken bearings and the parts manager said he never heard of them. I walked out
What state is your shop?
New sub here
can you weld a piece of pipe over that section that’s rusted Out?
We call a repair like that working on the darkside.
05 f150 I have 373 gr under warranty told ford noise in rear end same as you have they did something to it but came back later it whines under load one day will rebuild and add locker.
let's get it done while we are young
Sam Rugtiv 12 hours editing today rendering now will be uploading shortly. I'm assuming will take around 4hrs to upload 50+ min
I think she wanted to give you something for your birthday!!!
great video can you tell me the brand of the press