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  • Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024

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  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 5 месяцев назад +9

    Why would Leviathan be Surplus he's one of the eight elements if anything Phoenix should be Surplus since he and Ifrit are technically two halves of a whole. They still don't explain how the two separated

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +4

      That’s a really good point. Water perhaps the most important element when you consider Dominants are powered up when touching their element as in Hugo’s case.
      At best guess I would say the split was on purpose, so when Ifrit arose Ultima knew to pay attention?
      It is confusing what the point of absorbing Eikons was even for, now more than ever.

  • @gambitgames4084
    @gambitgames4084 5 месяцев назад +5

    I was honestly hoping this dlc wouldve given a happier ending cause we don't really have a ff game where they say "I love you" and don't die and sure all hints to Clive being alive. But I loved Jill as a love interest she Is with Clive through thick and thin so I would've loved them at least hugging after the ending.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +5

      When you consider that this is the last piece of content for XVI, it makes it utterly bizarre that next to nothing was done in service to Jill and Joshua.
      Could have really tugged on the heartstrings, but nope, dropped as usual.

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 5 месяцев назад +3

    We should have gotten a new game plus version of his fight with Ultima where he uses Tides Unbreaking

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      I am honestly stunned they didn't put that in at least. They obviously got Harry Lloyd back in the booth so that wasn't stopping them.
      First time PC players are going to have a serious "wtf" moment when they get to the end.

  • @PetarBladeStrok
    @PetarBladeStrok 5 месяцев назад +1

    That ending edit had me DYING! LMFAO

  • @brandoncornell3390
    @brandoncornell3390 Месяц назад

    I think you might be missing the specific religious connotations of "profaned" - it isn't necessarily a question of moral culpability, but ritual impurity. Something sacred (Leviathan) being used for something mundane (a battery). Shiva's dominant may be committing the "crime", but she's still using the Eikon's power in an awe-inspiring way.

  • @lopirobinson1991
    @lopirobinson1991 4 месяца назад

    Imagine being born, frozen in time but staying concious for 80 years. This dominant is a human who is an 80 year old with no life experience except the occasional visit from Shula, which must've been strange on it's own, and he's stuck in a babies body. I would love to unravel that puzzle lol As a lover of the human comdition amd the universes of the mind this idea fascinates me to no end.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  4 месяца назад

      Ye, it would have been more interesting if Waljas was a child at least rather than a baby, I actually felt cheated that the last Dominant was a newborn. Makes it really easy to not have to come up with a satisfying personality, or as you say, explore what it would mean to be conscious but paralysed for nearly a century.

  • @stefanmaart
    @stefanmaart 5 месяцев назад +2

    I watched your 8 hour video which was so excellent and have been anticipating a video after the rising tide released.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +5

      Thank you! This one was a funny one as the DLC itself is an immense amount of fun, I preferred this to Echoes. Leviathan was a really interesting boss, but its weird for people that have played and finished the game already as its a bit anti-climatic.
      People coming in late and doing the interstitials I think will get a much better arc of story, and having Leviathan to fight just before the final confrontation would be a great crescendo. As long as you don't scrutinise the story too much first time through...

  • @fujinmoto
    @fujinmoto 5 месяцев назад +5

    Leviathan is profaned because they fed him the flesh from the sagespire and that made him prime. It corrupted Leviathan’s flesh/mind and so he’s profaned and unholy to Ultima

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +6

      Ye the Motes forced Waljas to prime, as in he was the victim, and Waljas retaliated when he had the power to do so. A literal baby.
      Why would Ultima view Leviathan as profaned rather than victimised? Why would Ultima not retaliate for his Eikon being profaned? Especially with everything that's at stake.
      Further, saying that "sins could be redeemed" implies that there is absolution possible in Ultima's eyes. If we acknowledge the premise, then it isn't condemnation.

    • @sheercold26
      @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

      I don't think that's it.
      Leviathan is profaned because ultima is arrogant and sees humans as soooo beneath him, that the fact that they managed to Enslave and Reduce one of his great creations (an eikon) to little more than a Battery, disgusts him.
      It's the exact same reason he destroyed the Fallen.
      Ultima detests all the moments when Humans stepped out of line so to speak.
      And as he's said, this has all happened again and again and again.
      He annoyed, frustrated and largely over it

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +5

      I really like the explanation of his ego being hurt being the reason, if Ultima was consistent with his ego being hurt. If it was down to that, that absolutely would cause him to furious with Shiva's actions.
      Shiva's powers absolutely need to be stopped as well, the logical conclusion of the Motes freezing Leviathan would be the ability to freeze all of the Eikons/Crystals. Ultima would have been terrified of that spell being used again, surely?
      Mysidia holds the knowledge to the most powerful superweapon in all of Valisthea.

  • @ZGaMeR2k3
    @ZGaMeR2k3 5 месяцев назад +1

    "While he sprays his load." Nice one. I finished the 8 hour analysis on ff16 and couldn't believe it when this video on rising tide appeared on my feed. Keep up the good work! You've got a new fan.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      There's always room for juvenile humour! Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed them. Now Final Fantasy XVI is signed off, its time to target some other games for deep dives!

    • @sheercold26
      @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

      Right?
      He's great!

  • @sheercold26
    @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад +8

    Yeah this game always shits on Jill lol

  • @ColeAvenue
    @ColeAvenue 5 месяцев назад +1

    I really want to watch this but I haven't played the DLC yet and at this point I'm just waiting for the PC release before picking the game back up again so it'll probably be a minute.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад

      Oh absolutely leave it for now, I spoil effectively everything about the DLC!
      I'll be playing it again around PC release so I imagine I'll still be hungry for conversation as always.

  • @sindelio
    @sindelio 5 месяцев назад

    Congtats on the analysis, I find your ideas quite reasonable

  • @SpiderSora
    @SpiderSora 5 месяцев назад +2

    I enjoyed every ff kaiju summon fight in ff16 until I got to leviathan who to me was genuinely unfair mainly because of his stupid water shield that they *BARELY* give you enough time to stop but only if you get a perfect run, that was the only fight that tainted my enjoyment of the dlc and game because the rest of the game was fine enough especially once I started unlocking more eikon abilities for clive including diamond dust which evaporates stagger gauges, its just mainly this one fight that annoyed me the most because not even the final battle with ultima annoyed me this much even though I wasn't able to stop his purple bar attack either

    • @rosegiogio9255
      @rosegiogio9255 5 месяцев назад +2

      I did it in my first try, plus we were warned beforehand that Leviathan is the hardest kaiju boss in the game

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      My only issue with the big fights is that they have enormous cutscenes locked inside them, completely annoying when you just want to fight, Leviathan got rid of that for the most part. Not to big up myself, but I managed to crack Leviathan's shield first time with one second on the clock, but he did kick my ass multiple times as I didn't understand the rules for dodging Maelstrom or Angry Seas. There was something that really didn't click for me with the telegraphing of that fight.
      Diamond Dust is a staple of any build for me, it is far too powerful, same as the 200% accessory. I'm hoping Ultimaniac difficulty is introduced as a full game playthrough mode when they come around to releasing on PC (and of course give it to PS5 as well).
      I'm waiting to see if there are any final polishes that will accompany the PC version before thinking about a replay I think, the game is already vastly different in shape from the original. Doing everything on the first playthrough will create wildly different experience on Final Fantasy mode now.

    • @sheercold26
      @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

      Hmm. I liked the fight so I can't complain.
      Did it on FF mode. It was tough indeed

    • @sheercold26
      @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ArkaledionI want Ultimanian Story sooooooo bad

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад

      I think before they may have worried about balance for Ultimaniac, but all of the accessories that can be obtained, plus Leviathan and Ultima as additional Eikons absolutely tip the favour back into the player's hands. If they're really daring, let us get to level 150 or 200. Level 110 as the maximum irks me a little lol.

  • @Bahamut998
    @Bahamut998 5 месяцев назад

    I think things shouldn't be overanalysed and are quite simple really.
    Ultima thought that even without Leviathan, Clive with all the other eikons would have enough aether to cast Raise.
    This was anyway proved to be false, as Clive as a human vessel cannot contain all this power himself anyway.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +1

      I think Ultima knew the spell was too powerful, which is why he didn't cast it himself, and why the lack of Leviathan didn't change the plans at all. Which presumably is why the ending doesn't change even with Leviathan absorbed.
      The Eikons didn't give aether, Origin collected and pooled the aether that the Mothercrystals gathered. We don't actually know what the Eikons did for the equation in all honesty.

  • @sheercold26
    @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад +2

    Shiva is free to be further used by Ultima as a pawn in the future without much effort.
    I see what you mean by Shiva should be seen as profaned as well.
    But i suppose Its more Akin to how pheonix challenges Ultima to a fight and Ultima casually agrees with a "Very well" .
    Ultima goes from being greatly offended to casually embracing the folly of humans.
    Ya never know what your gonna get with this guy lol.
    Dude is fickle 😂😂😂

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      I didn't get into it in the video, but Clive sorting out the Leviathan issue is actually pretty huge if you consider Ultima's view of it.
      The original ending doesn't really work considering the lay of the land at the time is Ultima knowing Leviathan was locked away.
      Surely Clive not only finding Leviathan, but freeing him from his imprisonment would be a bit more of a concern? Clive stepped outside of Ultima's plan at that point, I would worry about that a bit more if I was in his shoes.
      Since they established Ultima knew of it the entire time and watched Clive become more powerful (or indeed get profaned himself) you would think he would be a bit more wary.
      Maybe he was just knackered like you say. Poor lad just wanted it to be done lol.

  • @lopirobinson1991
    @lopirobinson1991 4 месяца назад

    I appreciate your views on the story but I could also say, "Why doesn't Ultima kill every human on the planet after Clive absorbs enough power so that Clive is alone and easy to take?" This why I believe you shouldn't make villains that are too strong because they could just "blow it all up." A story has to be told. The good guy has to win. It ain't Shakespeare I agree lol

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  4 месяца назад

      If they hadn't added Ultima into the mix with the DLC it wouldn't have been an issue, it was this attempt at trying to close a plot hole by having the main villain say he didn't want Leviathan is why it blows the whole thing open.
      Honestly it is a good question, why not have Odin run around massacring the population when there is no other Eikon to hold him back? When Dion was laid low, who was positioned as the only real challenger to Odin, why didn't Barnabas tear the land to shreds? Make the world of Valisthea unappealing as possible to save? Make the spell Raise seem perfectly logical because there isn't anything left.
      With both Ultima and Odin having nothing but disdain for humanity, it makes no sense when they deploy reservation. The Odin arc could have easily been Clive then seeking to absorb Odin to put a stop to Barnabas rampaging and could even come across as the last machination of Ultima. More interesting than "I need to fill you up with my essence so I have created a big barrier and I will wait for you, no rush"
      I know you were saying is sarcastically, but it actually makes perfect sense for them to have done that. A story does have to be told, but ideally it would be consistent with the desires of the characters. Ultima was incredibly chill about breaking Clive's will, when that was central to his plan.

    • @brandoncornell3390
      @brandoncornell3390 Месяц назад

      That would be putting all of his eggs in one basket. Ultima never thought Clive could overpower him, but he knew that Clive could die. If humanity was still around another Mythos would arise.

  • @sheercold26
    @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

    WOOOOTTT
    I WAS WAITING FOR THIS!!!

  • @sheercold26
    @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

    It is not at all Explained why Ultima didnt destroy the Motes of Water for their great Sin of enslaving an Eikon.
    Good point.
    Its inconsistent with Ultimas other actions where he very clearly FUCKED UP everyone else who got out of line.
    We can only spectlulate based on whats in the game and in the game it has been shown that Ultima is largely fed up and annoyed.
    He's also weaker than when he destroyed Dzemeskys and the Fallen.
    My interpretation of it is by the time Leviathan got enslaved, after all the failed Mythos that predated Clive etc, Ultima was just largely over the whole experiment. Because humana were just causing his people soooo much vexation.
    Which is also why hes so obsessed with Clive because at long last, it appears that the Journey to freedom for his people of a Millenia is FINALLY over.
    Which is funny because even if things went according to his plan he would have STILL failed.
    Clive is NOT a strong enough Vessel to cast Raise
    Ultima is ETERNALLY Trapped (Just like Typhon) in a horrible position of his own creation...

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      The funny thing with the Raise spell, is that I think Ultima knew that Clive wasn't strong enough and would be destroyed in the process.
      Kind of like how he warped the truth when talking to Barnabas, I think he was being creative with Clive as well. He just underestimated Clive's selflessness, he thought selling being the progenitor of a new and wonderful promised land would be tantalising enough to abandon his current world.
      I think Clive could cast Raise, but Ultima knew it would always kill him. That's my interpretation of needing the vessel anyway. If it is Ultima's magic that Clive would use, why couldn't Ultima cast it? He probably could, but he knew it would be the death of him.

    • @sheercold26
      @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад

      @Arkaledion that's makes alot of sense!

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 5 месяцев назад

    So let me get this straight Shiva has the power to freeze time and purposefully short-changed Jill as a f*k you

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +2

      Isn’t it insane that the developers said this would put Jill in the spotlight and they just ended up making her seem even more weak.
      Credit where it was due I guess, I didn’t think it was possible, so they surprised me with that one.

    • @madambutterfly1997
      @madambutterfly1997 5 месяцев назад

      @Arkaledion but they never really go in depth about the relationship between a dominant and their eikon. Some part of me guesstimate that it was similar to the relationship between Jinchūriki and their Tailed Beasts in Naruto. That's the only thing that would make sense as to why Shiva with deliberately denied Jill access to her full power especially when a previous dominant went so far as to develop a spell of temporal displacement.
      I do appreciate that an iconic Time Mage spell like Stop is associated with the element of Ice/Shiva
      Which means I can see another Time Mage spell like Haste being associated with Lightning/Ramuh or even Light/Bahamut.
      And spells like gravity associated with Darkness/Odin

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад

      @@madambutterfly1997 True, like they never really go into whether the Eikon has a continuum or whether it is a fresh entity. Each surfacing it has amnesia effectively.
      The Timekeeper being residual aether is even more weird honestly. Presumably there was a period of time where Shiva didn’t exist before coming to Jill, so now the Eikons can have permanent lasting effects regardless of whether they are active? Very strange.
      Ye I appreciated the concept as a thought piece, nice little nod, just as petrification was repurposed.

  • @sheercold26
    @sheercold26 5 месяцев назад +2

    I jus wanna know why ifrit can walk on Water lol

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +3

      That was incredibly daft. Even something like his feet creating little molten platforms would have looked awesome.

  • @ryvengeance6467
    @ryvengeance6467 5 месяцев назад +4

    This game is lesser than the sum of its parts.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  5 месяцев назад +1

      I think that's probably the fairest assessment.

  • @MisterTraps
    @MisterTraps 4 месяца назад

    The main story itself is full of holes, what happened to Joshua after he came back and why he didn't go back to his mother, why did ultima just let clive go after he awakened as a child, what is logos and how are ppl chosen to become summoners why aren't they all kings not just some soldiers. The whole game makes no sense dude. ur telling me Titan is just some soldier, dang it. The game's plot was broken from the start, I'm not surprised there was more problems. As for the leviathan new abilities I'm not surprised that they released cheat mode as p2w.

    • @Arkaledion
      @Arkaledion  4 месяца назад +1

      Ye, when its all said and done and put to rest, the whole thing just doesn't make sense. The promise of a political story was set dressing. There are moments of greatness, some very enjoyable things to be appreciated. But, its one of the more unsatisfying entries in the franchise. Very lofty promises that went unfulfilled.