I’m 84 and have no problem whatsoever with my new Max. I avoid the problems you describe by mowing only when dry and keeping up with the spring growth. This baby runs strong and should satisfy most homeowners.
I'm a happy owner, I think the Toro Max Recycler runs very good. My little demo had near flawless results. Wet/damp grass will bog typically all push mowers down as I point out in the video.
Used Toro lawnmowers for over 40 years have 3 ,a 22 in older self-propelled recycler 4 year old 21 in super recycler and a 30 inch time master that’s 2 years old , retired landscaper still cut 5 lawns to keep busy love Toro never have any problems they run great start easy cut evenly
At 3:10 you can see that the bottom of the mover is not parallel with the grass. Your front wheels are set much higher than your rear wheels. To understand the correct setting between the front and back wheels, place your mower on a flat area of your driveway or sidewalk and stand back 10 ft or so to the side of your mower. In the kneeling position you can clearly see the height difference from the bottom of the deck to the concrete just behind the front wheel and just in front of the rear wheel. You’ll see that your front wheels are adjusted much higher than the rear wheels. To correct this and understand how the front adjustment is in relation to the rear adjustment, stand to the side of the mower and count the tabs on your front adjustment bracket and start from the opposite side of the adjustment bracket on the rear. Stand back and look at the deck to make sure it’s parallel or measure it. Once you’ve done it once, you’ll realize it’s easy to see if your deck is level just by looking at it. Oh, and if you hand tighten the knobs on the handle bar tightly, that slop you’re experiencing will go away. Don’t worry, you can tighten them by hand very tight as there is a metal insert inside the plastic knob. I have the same mower, best mower available at that price range. I’ve been a proud Toro owner for over 50 years!
Thanks for the insight on setting mower height! Next video I talk about people who mentioned the unlevel deck height @ 7:23: ruclips.net/video/K7x95MX5z3M/видео.html It's close to level as I haven't changed the settings. I have random holes and divots )2" to 3") all over in my yard front, side and back. Even have spots deeper than that. I'm just taking care of this house and keeping the yard and trees managed. I typically never run my mower perfectly level because its really not that important to me for this yard. I I have spots/transitions where the rear part of mower can drag. My weed 'lawn' doesn't show any difference if the deck is slight elevated/slightly lower front or back. For someone else with a pretty, landscaped and money invested in their grass then more precision applied to cutting procedure could add up.
Cleaning the deck is essential, as you stated. My wife took over mowing so she could get some exercise. She never cleaned it,and it rotted through in two years. 🙄 Still runs great 👍🏻. 😅
This video was really helpful! I’ve mowed a lawn 3x in my 35 years 😂 but my dad bought me a riding Deere and a toro super max mulcher etc etc lol and mine kept bogging down today, left clumps, lines not clean. Now I know it was too damp! Next time I’ll get the Deere out!
You can also raise the deck up 2 more inches and that would help. Pretty much anything with a deck and a blade spinning underneath or blades is going to bog down/slow down when you start getting into specific tougher mowing conditions. A 10 hp engine on a small push mower could help power through some bogging/slowing down but then it's heavier to push around and its still going to leave negative results behind because wet/damp things stick together. On a push mower, much easier to turn on its side and reach down and clear out. With a dirty underneath side, additional grass is much more likely and quickly to build back up then starting out with a clean underside. Bagging most the time is better than so-called this mulching movement. Mulching is always better for maintaining a lawn with regular routine cutting. Bagger is great and best results but then you got to stop and bag every 4-5 min. Rear chute dispense the quickest and easiest but not as a clean and finished result.
Thanks for your videos. I’m not much of a hands on/mechanic and my used/previously owned Lawnboy is breaking down on me. I’m interested in maybe getting this mower and your videos have helped. Sorry for all of the negative feedback, but thank you for continuing to post because you’re helping others that need it. Can you maybe do a video where you show how to maintenance the other portions of the mower? Change spark plug, etc?
I like it and recommend it from my use so far. I have not owned or experienced the $550 Honda side by side first hand but I felt better going with Toro for the future investment. 22inch cut, 5 yr warranty, ball bearing rolling, better wheels rubber, more under protection for rwd belt. And I do like the Personal pace minus the bulky handle design.
I have this mower on my list to possibly buy. Only concern I've seen others say the handle was high for shorter people and had quite of bit of play up and down.
It's very true even though I have people tell me here I'm absurd and propably just complain about everything. I promise you that if more people actually tried things then what they just accepted then they would be more open minded. When I lower the handle down past its designed use, removing the rubber bumpers, I just like it better. removing the rubber isolator bumpers does make the handle have a more ridged feel plus or minus but it lowers the top of the Personal pace handle down about 4" more. Perfect scenario is Toro would machine in a 3rd, lower set of holes for the L and R rubber bumpers. I would definitely like it better and I'm 6ft tall. Number 2 reason I like it lower: 1st easier to start as you are not reach up as high to get your body and arm/hand to the pull cord to then pull it back over or just to the side of the personal pace. I've more than once pulled the starter cord and had it get caught up in the personal pace linkage/blade brake handle. 2nd I just find it easier to manipulate the mower around with the handle lower rather then higher due to added leverage. I would love to be able to drill additional L&R new lower holes into the "height of cut plates" so I can use the bumpers too but also have my handle down around my belt line. The downside, the holes in the "HOC"plates are cut square so me using a drill bit wouldn't be the right shaped for the bolts holding the bumpers to fit into. It could be done with round holes but I wish Toro would just make HOC plates with a lower setting and offer it to its customers as an option. I know more people would like the option.
I am not pro mulching but the mower industry has forced it on people. I'm not necessarily a bag mower either but if I had a super nice lawn I'd always bag. For me and my sh_t yard, I'm just a spray it and walk on it and carry on with life. I do like clear sidewalks so that's why I have a blower.
@leonardomigot4040 my 13 year old Lawnboy has the plastic carb Briggs Stratton and it's fine. The plastic carbs work as hood as old but can clog easier. As long as don't leave old gas sitting and keep fuel filtered from garbage, platic cheaper made carbs are fine.
Hey, that yard looks just like mine. What the heck it’s green isn’t it, lol. some of the reviews that I read on this machine complain about the handle flexing too much. What do you think?
Hey, freshly mowed it looks good. Downside of a weed lawn is it transforms fast to over-grown. That saying "grows like a weed" is real. With a bunch of rain, I have to mow about every 4-5 days. It will get out of hand fast.
When you tip this mower onto its side and my other mower, it should be done so the airfilter side is up/oil fill side going towards the ground. -Doing the tipping process for a short amount of time this way will do nothing negative. Every time I tipped my mover in this video, it was to the right side/oil fill side. Toro also has some cool feature built/designed into Smartstow movers that tipping it back 90 degrees with a full tank doesn't flood it. Also note when tipping an older mower, likely a good idea to pull on the pull start cord until the piston reaches near top dead center. This way the valves are closed. Over an extended amount of time, and I mean a week on its side, small amount of oil could slip past rings and send oil into the exhaust otherwise. Would take a long time but per-say could happen.
I've had the same lawnmower for almost 15 years. It's in it's last leg now, I don't even know what to look for, all the ones I've looked at people commission they don't last more than 3 years
Yea, it's a rough scene now. Stuff not built to last but push to replace more often. I haven't had my Max recycler long term so I can't stand behind it as far as longevity but I am anticipating it lasting 12-15 years. My old Lawnboy was a cheap mower under $300 2012, plastic carb Briggs Stratton engine, and I've made it last with not a lot of effort. Still 13 years later it can start on 1st pull. Just run good gas, don't let gas become stale in the mower and provide fuel without small particles in the fuel which get into the fuel at the gas station or by us the end user. Why I put on a secondary 75 micron fuel filter. Just means less likely to have to remove carb and clean out. Only thing keep eye on when gets dirty and wear out: plug, airfiter, and 7-10yr rwd belt and sharpen bad/ renew edge.
I like how well the Toro Max pushes and how smooth it glides across the ground. It runs very smoothly with the motor. The personal pace is great, but adds some bulk at the top of the handle and the rubber bumpers that absorb some of the downward handle jolts are a plus too but this design allows the handle to move upward/free float about 5-7inches depending on height adjustment setting. The Max Recycler has wheel bearing and the wheels are some of the best in this price range category with rubber tread and good traction. These wheels typically only come on the expensive mowers that are in the range of $1,000 plus. I have not been able to use the Honda HRN216 but I have looked closely at it and felt it at a lawn equipment dealer. I assume that I like the Personal pace better than Honda's self-propelled handle mechanism because how they function. I would bet the Toro feels better with what I pointed out, pushes easier due to wheels/bearings/personal pace and its 22" inch cut which adds up when you cross mowing area up and down 15-20 times. And the Toro Max has a guaranteed 5-year warranty to start and 5 year overall parts warranty. Also, something I've noticed and like is the fuel range which is very good. Another thing I've noticed is the Toro Max's bag appears to be fairly bigger/deeper compared to many other mowers. This adds up if you are bagging. Maybe or possibly the Honda might cut finer clippings and likely maybe cut more of the grass with less random grass blades left uncut. Some say the Honda never ever bogs down while cutting anything for example damp/wet vegetation but I don't know if I believe that 100%. It sure would be helpful if I had both the latest Toro Max Recycler and a new Honda HRN216 so I could run side by side and make a definite decision on which one I prefer. I have no ties to Toro so I just want to use the equipment that helps to do my job and then gets me finished quicker and less energy used. The Honda HRX217, their $900 mower has their handle which has 3 height settings, seem nice and better than the Toro, where the Toro has only 2 settings. There's not much adjustment range between the 2 on the Toro. Real tall and slightly less tall setting and I'm 6ft height and it's up above my stomach. (people report they don't notice it being high, not an issue but unless you've used a mower with a lower handle then you don't know the difference and how it effects you pulling the cord to start the mower or your leverage when maneuvering the mover.) I do also like the Toro option of the Smartstow to put it up in the upright position. They designed it not to flood out or leak fluids when this is done. I just did a blade video and being able to stand it up to do the service was definitely nice. Then put it down and starts right up.
Kinda-sort-of, not when it hot and it's starting to get warm and will become unbearable July and Aug and even into sept. Lawn starts to dry out so a trade off. Texas is always nutty humid as well. I want to move away from Texas.
I looked at the Toro super recycler mowers, they were nice but after looking at the Honda models, went with the Honda HRX217 mower instead. Just so much more quality. Sorry Toro but couldn't pass up on the Honda.
Thanks for sharing. Hope you made sure the box had the red sticker on it or your motor serial number has the metal stamp mark signifying it had the cam shaft fix done. Seems like all the movers out there to be sold should have had the recall repair done but sounds like there are plenty forsale without the recall done. I recently watch a video on this subject.
@@chuckm8472 What problems did you see with the Hondas you owned. I know of a few potential problem areas but I'd like to hear first hand from an owner's point of view.
I’m 84 and have no problem whatsoever with my new Max. I avoid the problems you describe by mowing only when dry and keeping up with the spring growth. This baby runs strong and should satisfy most homeowners.
I'm a happy owner, I think the Toro Max Recycler runs very good. My little demo had near flawless results. Wet/damp grass will bog typically all push mowers down as I point out in the video.
Love long and prosper. 🖖😊
What doesn't add up is your mis information about hoc bracket being incorrect!
Used Toro lawnmowers for over 40 years have 3 ,a 22 in older self-propelled recycler 4 year old 21 in super recycler and a 30 inch time master that’s 2 years old , retired landscaper still cut 5 lawns to keep busy love Toro never have any problems they run great start easy cut evenly
Thanks for posting about your experience.
At 3:10 you can see that the bottom of the mover is not parallel with the grass. Your front wheels are set much higher than your rear wheels. To understand the correct setting between the front and back wheels, place your mower on a flat area of your driveway or sidewalk and stand back 10 ft or so to the side of your mower. In the kneeling position you can clearly see the height difference from the bottom of the deck to the concrete just behind the front wheel and just in front of the rear wheel. You’ll see that your front wheels are adjusted much higher than the rear wheels. To correct this and understand how the front adjustment is in relation to the rear adjustment, stand to the side of the mower and count the tabs on your front adjustment bracket and start from the opposite side of the adjustment bracket on the rear. Stand back and look at the deck to make sure it’s parallel or measure it. Once you’ve done it once, you’ll realize it’s easy to see if your deck is level just by looking at it. Oh, and if you hand tighten the knobs on the handle bar tightly, that slop you’re experiencing will go away. Don’t worry, you can tighten them by hand very tight as there is a metal insert inside the plastic knob. I have the same mower, best mower available at that price range. I’ve been a proud Toro owner for over 50 years!
Thanks for the insight on setting mower height! Next video I talk about people who mentioned the unlevel deck height @ 7:23: ruclips.net/video/K7x95MX5z3M/видео.html
It's close to level as I haven't changed the settings. I have random holes and divots )2" to 3") all over in my yard front, side and back. Even have spots deeper than that. I'm just taking care of this house and keeping the yard and trees managed. I typically never run my mower perfectly level because its really not that important to me for this yard. I I have spots/transitions where the rear part of mower can drag. My weed 'lawn' doesn't show any difference if the deck is slight elevated/slightly lower front or back. For someone else with a pretty, landscaped and money invested in their grass then more precision applied to cutting procedure could add up.
Cleaning the deck is essential, as you stated. My wife took over mowing so she could get some exercise. She never cleaned it,and it rotted through in two years. 🙄
Still runs great 👍🏻. 😅
Just bought one of these. Thanks for your video. 👍🏻
This video was really helpful! I’ve mowed a lawn 3x in my 35 years 😂 but my dad bought me a riding Deere and a toro super max mulcher etc etc lol and mine kept bogging down today, left clumps, lines not clean. Now I know it was too damp! Next time I’ll get the Deere out!
You can also raise the deck up 2 more inches and that would help. Pretty much anything with a deck and a blade spinning underneath or blades is going to bog down/slow down when you start getting into specific tougher mowing conditions. A 10 hp engine on a small push mower could help power through some bogging/slowing down but then it's heavier to push around and its still going to leave negative results behind because wet/damp things stick together. On a push mower, much easier to turn on its side and reach down and clear out. With a dirty underneath side, additional grass is much more likely and quickly to build back up then starting out with a clean underside.
Bagging most the time is better than so-called this mulching movement. Mulching is always better for maintaining a lawn with regular routine cutting. Bagger is great and best results but then you got to stop and bag every 4-5 min. Rear chute dispense the quickest and easiest but not as a clean and finished result.
Thanks for your videos. I’m not much of a hands on/mechanic and my used/previously owned Lawnboy is breaking down on me.
I’m interested in maybe getting this mower and your videos have helped.
Sorry for all of the negative feedback, but thank you for continuing to post because you’re helping others that need it.
Can you maybe do a video where you show how to maintenance the other portions of the mower? Change spark plug, etc?
I like it and recommend it from my use so far. I have not owned or experienced the $550 Honda side by side first hand but I felt better going with Toro for the future investment. 22inch cut, 5 yr warranty, ball bearing rolling, better wheels rubber, more under protection for rwd belt. And I do like the Personal pace minus the bulky handle design.
I have this mower on my list to possibly buy. Only concern I've seen others say the handle was high for shorter people and had quite of bit of play up and down.
It's very true even though I have people tell me here I'm absurd and propably just complain about everything. I promise you that if more people actually tried things then what they just accepted then they would be more open minded. When I lower the handle down past its designed use, removing the rubber bumpers, I just like it better. removing the rubber isolator bumpers does make the handle have a more ridged feel plus or minus but it lowers the top of the Personal pace handle down about 4" more.
Perfect scenario is Toro would machine in a 3rd, lower set of holes for the L and R rubber bumpers. I would definitely like it better and I'm 6ft tall.
Number 2 reason I like it lower: 1st easier to start as you are not reach up as high to get your body and arm/hand to the pull cord to then pull it back over or just to the side of the personal pace. I've more than once pulled the starter cord and had it get caught up in the personal pace linkage/blade brake handle. 2nd I just find it easier to manipulate the mower around with the handle lower rather then higher due to added leverage. I would love to be able to drill additional L&R new lower holes into the "height of cut plates" so I can use the bumpers too but also have my handle down around my belt line.
The downside, the holes in the "HOC"plates are cut square so me using a drill bit wouldn't be the right shaped for the bolts holding the bumpers to fit into. It could be done with round holes but I wish Toro would just make HOC plates with a lower setting and offer it to its customers as an option. I know more people would like the option.
It's because Toro put the incorrect hoc brackets on it. I just bought mine today and found this out from another channel.
Mulching sucks when wet.. I always wait when grass is completely dry
I am not pro mulching but the mower industry has forced it on people. I'm not necessarily a bag mower either but if I had a super nice lawn I'd always bag. For me and my sh_t yard, I'm just a spray it and walk on it and carry on with life. I do like clear sidewalks so that's why I have a blower.
@leonardomigot4040 my 13 year old Lawnboy has the plastic carb Briggs Stratton and it's fine. The plastic carbs work as hood as old but can clog easier. As long as don't leave old gas sitting and keep fuel filtered from garbage, platic cheaper made carbs are fine.
Hey, that yard looks just like mine. What the heck it’s green isn’t it, lol. some of the reviews that I read on this machine complain about the handle flexing too much. What do you think?
Hey, freshly mowed it looks good. Downside of a weed lawn is it transforms fast to over-grown. That saying "grows like a weed" is real. With a bunch of rain, I have to mow about every 4-5 days. It will get out of hand fast.
I believe you tip the mower on the other side, carb high side.
When you tip this mower onto its side and my other mower, it should be done so the airfilter side is up/oil fill side going towards the ground.
-Doing the tipping process for a short amount of time this way will do nothing negative. Every time I tipped my mover in this video, it was to the right side/oil fill side.
Toro also has some cool feature built/designed into Smartstow movers that tipping it back 90 degrees with a full tank doesn't flood it.
Also note when tipping an older mower, likely a good idea to pull on the pull start cord until the piston reaches near top dead center. This way the valves are closed. Over an extended amount of time, and I mean a week on its side, small amount of oil could slip past rings and send oil into the exhaust otherwise. Would take a long time but per-say could happen.
@@GettingthruLife
I’m glad I said something.
I have the regular recycler.
Thank you.
No, this kind oil should be down toward the ground. He did right. Or it could be folded in the storage mode and inspected as well
I've had the same lawnmower for almost 15 years. It's in it's last leg now, I don't even know what to look for, all the ones I've looked at people commission they don't last more than 3 years
Yea, it's a rough scene now. Stuff not built to last but push to replace more often. I haven't had my Max recycler long term so I can't stand behind it as far as longevity but I am anticipating it lasting 12-15 years. My old Lawnboy was a cheap mower under $300 2012, plastic carb Briggs Stratton engine, and I've made it last with not a lot of effort. Still 13 years later it can start on 1st pull. Just run good gas, don't let gas become stale in the mower and provide fuel without small particles in the fuel which get into the fuel at the gas station or by us the end user. Why I put on a secondary 75 micron fuel filter. Just means less likely to have to remove carb and clean out.
Only thing keep eye on when gets dirty and wear out: plug, airfiter, and 7-10yr rwd belt and sharpen bad/ renew edge.
Tipico rival 😂😂🎉
Nice video!
Thanks for the visit
Hey, how is the Toro max so far? I’m think about buying the Max or the twin blade Honda.
I like how well the Toro Max pushes and how smooth it glides across the ground. It runs very smoothly with the motor. The personal pace is great, but adds some bulk at the top of the handle and the rubber bumpers that absorb some of the downward handle jolts are a plus too but this design allows the handle to move upward/free float about 5-7inches depending on height adjustment setting. The Max Recycler has wheel bearing and the wheels are some of the best in this price range category with rubber tread and good traction. These wheels typically only come on the expensive mowers that are in the range of $1,000 plus.
I have not been able to use the Honda HRN216 but I have looked closely at it and felt it at a lawn equipment dealer. I assume that I like the Personal pace better than Honda's self-propelled handle mechanism because how they function. I would bet the Toro feels better with what I pointed out, pushes easier due to wheels/bearings/personal pace and its 22" inch cut which adds up when you cross mowing area up and down 15-20 times. And the Toro Max has a guaranteed 5-year warranty to start and 5 year overall parts warranty. Also, something I've noticed and like is the fuel range which is very good. Another thing I've noticed is the Toro Max's bag appears to be fairly bigger/deeper compared to many other mowers. This adds up if you are bagging.
Maybe or possibly the Honda might cut finer clippings and likely maybe cut more of the grass with less random grass blades left uncut. Some say the Honda never ever bogs down while cutting anything for example damp/wet vegetation but I don't know if I believe that 100%.
It sure would be helpful if I had both the latest Toro Max Recycler and a new Honda HRN216 so I could run side by side and make a definite decision on which one I prefer. I have no ties to Toro so I just want to use the equipment that helps to do my job and then gets me finished quicker and less energy used.
The Honda HRX217, their $900 mower has their handle which has 3 height settings, seem nice and better than the Toro, where the Toro has only 2 settings. There's not much adjustment range between the 2 on the Toro. Real tall and slightly less tall setting and I'm 6ft height and it's up above my stomach. (people report they don't notice it being high, not an issue but unless you've used a mower with a lower handle then you don't know the difference and how it effects you pulling the cord to start the mower or your leverage when maneuvering the mover.)
I do also like the Toro option of the Smartstow to put it up in the upright position. They designed it not to flood out or leak fluids when this is done. I just did a blade video and being able to stand it up to do the service was definitely nice. Then put it down and starts right up.
@@GettingthruLife Thanks for your input!
Model 21485 I assume.
Yes Toro Recycler Max model 21485
Do you like mowing the lawn
Kinda-sort-of, not when it hot and it's starting to get warm and will become unbearable July and Aug and even into sept. Lawn starts to dry out so a trade off. Texas is always nutty humid as well. I want to move away from Texas.
Salad bar! 😁🥗
Now doubt and with lots of Italian or vinegar dressing.
I looked at the Toro super recycler mowers, they were nice but after looking at the Honda models, went with the Honda HRX217 mower instead. Just so much more quality. Sorry Toro but couldn't pass up on the Honda.
Thanks for sharing. Hope you made sure the box had the red sticker on it or your motor serial number has the metal stamp mark signifying it had the cam shaft fix done. Seems like all the movers out there to be sold should have had the recall repair done but sounds like there are plenty forsale without the recall done. I recently watch a video on this subject.
Had nothing but problems with my Honda mowers, glad to get rid of them !
@@chuckm8472 What problems did you see with the Hondas you owned. I know of a few potential problem areas but I'd like to hear first hand from an owner's point of view.