First SpaceX Starlink mission, why 60 Satellites? 550 km?
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Some information regarding Orbit planes are my speculations, we do not have any details from SpaceX on that yet, but suggestions in the comments are welcomed!
first of all great content but I was curious that if space x is sending a satellite in the space which is for the whole world then shouldn't spacex take the permission from a worldwide committee ? do we have any such committee?
Rushi Shah,
Pretty sure America has the highest regulations for space so it’s redundant to ask for such a thing.
I have a question. If one satellite on the mesh goes bad, how will you ensure it dosen't effect the others on the same "orbital plane" ?
Some nations may for different reasons not want their population to have uncensored access to the internet. How will SpaceX deal with that problem? North Korea... maybe even China?
Headcrab By not sending internet signals to areas which governments wish to be unaffected?
They are also giving the opportunity for us to suport spacex big picture for human space exploration by using this service.
Best investment would be with Fidelity, as they have quite a bit of spacex as well as alphabet in its portfolio. Or just buy alphabet stock as they are a 10% owner of spacex
finally, people in rural areas can start ignoring each other as much as city-dwellers do!
Peter Houle and,,?
Pretty sure people make more friends in the internet than irl some people might not like talking to strangers irl so internet helps them to make friends competitive online games make more friends you gotta understand something before you comment on it
@Bazzralic wow what a dumbass
yeah people don't make friends but at the same time complaining they feel empty inside.
Yay!
I agree I was surprised that most media didn't understand how world-changing StarLink will be.
Something which even google and Facebook couldn’t do. Technically cover the whole world with internet connectivity.
Google invested 1 billion in SpaceX in 2015 with the Starlink project in mind. Google hates the telecoms too. Google is forced to deal with the corrupt owners of fiber optic networks just like everybody else. All the big internet players like Amazon, Netflix, Google, Ebay know that they desperately need better, cheaper internet connectivity especially with the demise of Net Neutrality and the looming micro control of bandwidth by Big ISP providers. Elon has to be very savvy with his statements though, and that's why he says the purpose is not to compete with Telecoms. He has to worry about their corrupt influence possibly killing Starlink. I guarantee all the big internet content providers secretly know the current Monopolistically corrupt companies that own the fiber optic internet backbone have to be superceded by something better like Starlink and Bezos project.
The de-orbit of Starlink satellites both by ion drive and by broadside "air" braking are obvious tasks that will be assigned to some in this batch.
340 km is quite low for low earth orbit, and air drag is not zero. I wondered how long these could stay in position _until I saw the photo._ These are *extremely* thin form factor, with the krypton thruster on the [short] edge! That makes them _aerodynamic_ and long-term compared to cubesats.
If turned broadside to the orbital path, their orbit will deteriorate nearly a thousand times faster than edge-oriented, so even if the ion thruster fails, they will fall soon enough - as long as the broadside position can be held.
Falcon heavy also can't put more than 60 StarLink satellites into orbit as its not a weight, but a volume limit that's been reached. since F9 and FH share the same Faring, there's no upgrade
Most of the media and competitors constantly underestimate Elon Musks genius. He’s a true 21st century polymath with extremely good business acumen.
Muwahaha!
Elon does not know this! ruclips.net/video/iMAThVcqzuk/видео.html
Elon Musk is a paid puppet, that is no where near genius. He once said that Thomas Edison was smarter than Nikola Tesla. Just that alone proves how uneducated he really is!!!
Thank you for this channel! Very informational and easy to watch.
EDIT: Wow, I just realised you're from Singapore as well. Steady lah!
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Google has some fingers on this project for sure.
I mean they invested 1Billion on SpaceX, and google need a way to speed internet around the world.
Google is also working on a leo internet constellation iirc, same as BO, oneweb, and I believe telesat too. Exiting times.
Also creates a great transmitter/receiver for Elon's Mars missions.
that's probably the main goal tbh.
Not really, gain is low.
Small correction: Krypton is uncommon because it produces less thrust, not because it is less efficient. It is actually 10-16% more efficient than Xenon, but because it produces 15-25% less thrust, you either have to carry more of it to get the same effects, or accept that you will run out of propellant sooner than a Xenon-powered satellite. As these satellites are intended to have a short lifespan already, this isn't a serious problem, so SpaceX can use Krypton without concern and benefit from the cost savings.
Falcon Heavy won't be able to launch more than 60 satellites. Both Falcon Heavy and Falcon 9 use the same fairing size because SpaceX only makes one size. Perhaps they could create a larger one for this purpose but so far they haven't.
It looked like there was still some room in the fairing, I think this was weight limited, not size limited.
@@ke6gwf
Agreed. They may launch 66 later on. Depends on the safety margins.
@@avid0g they will use these thousands of satellites to track people with the 666 Beast implant chip
@@avid0g FIRE is COMING on AMERICA!
REPENT AND BELIEVE on JESUS!
@@joshuab2437
>>>Off topic Troll
Great explanation, thanks!
Almost a year later all this has taken quite a sinister turn.
Don't forget to cover the equipment that we'll use to connect to the satellites..it has often been a stumbling block. The user equipment needs to be paid for, somehow.
Its also got to track several fast moving objects simultaneously ...and support a chunky broadband data rate whilst doing that.
Also, much of the time the satellites will be over the sea or unpopulated areas, with somewhat redundant capacity.
And the capacity to handle customers will be stretched because most of them might be concentrated in the same areas and be attempting to get a fix on a limited number of satellites over those locations. The economics of this are better now that the operator owns its own launch business but still worth poking a few spreadsheets at..
Constructioneerful he did mention the 1 million ground stations...
@@hopp2184 yes he did mention them, but far more importantly, he didn't mention any details about them. Constructioneerful was correct in pointing out that this is still a big missing piece of the complete puzzle.
Mechanical tracking antennas are way too expensive for general consumers - you need two of them, and they come with a maintenance kit. Flat Panel Antennas are still quite expensive, and the primary market for them now is aeronautics, maritime and large transport - and they are also very expensive. Way too expensive for Joe Consumer, so consumer class products will have to be developed. A company called "Wafer" has indicated that they can provide an affordable FPA, somewhere around $250. We shall see. That would do it.
I'm still not convinced that Starlink wants to deliver consumer services, or if they do so, it may not be the main purpose of the network. What you've got is an intelligent switching, fiber-like network in the sky. To me, that cries out for a telco like provider. I'm just guessing, but I see Starlink connecting to large facilities, cruise ships, MNOs (mobile network operators), WISPs (wireless ISPs), etc., and they will deliver high-speed, intelligently delivered connectivity, wherever the customer wants it. It will be interesting to compare the time it takes to get a private fiber connection vs, a private spacelink connection, and how the two compare in cost and time to deploy. I'm guessing Starlink deployment will do in a week, what a fiber circuit config will do in 6 weeks (if you're lucky).
I don't see the sense in all the hassle of working with Joe Consumer when you can sell a larger chunk of capacity to a WISP who previously had no fiber access, and let him deliver service to Joe and his neighbors. WISPs could spring up everywhere - buy stock in small tower companies! MNOs could extend into rural areas without waiting for fiber to be deployed and sell smartphone connectivity. There are plenty of companies that know how to deliver internet to Joe Consumer. Why in the world would Starlink want to get bogged down in that? Just wondering...
If they don't figure out a way to clean up the crap streaking by up there, we could see this constellation supply more ammo for a "Kessler Effect" disaster that would make space unavailable for centuries, and put us back a half century.
The path of "scary" vs "exciting" is difficult to navigate right now.
@@ptgannon1 yes that back haul job makes sense. Each link shared by a large community of subscribers.
@@ptgannon1 Your hunch about Starlink providing backbone service is correct. That is their initial plan. They will use flat panel phased array antennas (pizza box sized), no moving parts. End users may be able to get service directly as prices go down. The satellites will deorbit and burn up after a few years so no space debris left. Musk also hinted at building debris cleaning satellites in the future. (for other space junk) Check out the investor call update on the SpaceX subreddit for more information.
@@Yusuke_Denton thanks for the confirmation - I haven't seen anything from SpaceX yet.
I understand that their satellites will de-orbit and burn up... the issue is that with them up there, the danger of a Kessler Effect increases since you're putting more material in space that could create a maelstrom of collisions if the process gets started. India joined China the US and Russia in shooting down a satellite - what would happen if they did that while there were thousands of Starlink satellites up there? I see a tweet on r/spacex that says a Starlink satellite can be turned into a debris clearing satellite. I'd like to hear more about how that would work!
Up till now, there haven't really been any customers for companies such as LEOlabs and Astroscale that want to develop space-junk cleaning operations, but now there are several companies who should be interested in making sure that their orbital paths are kept clear of debris.
This is one of my articles on the subject: www.bcsatellite.net/blog/is-space-trashed/
this has so many dual military uses its scary
It's not, these LEO satellites are much less scary than GEO ones which are the ones that started off as spy satellites and are now used to the civilian level by the likes of Google for Maps. There's no military application that requires very low latency to be controlled and for the cost a geostationary satellite equipped for multitasking serves much better for them at a much lower cost.
Starlink is useful only to consumers, you can take your tinfoil hat off now.
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 they will use this to track the Mark of the Beast implant chip 666
Hurry up SpaceX!
I am so done with my current internet provider. Can't wait to tell them to shove it.
I'm not sure even Elon Musk can solve the problem of poor customer service
It probably won't replace your ISP for a long time. In fact your ISP may be a Starlink customer.
The lag is not going to be gamer friendly, plain old physics. Great for e-mail, but not for gaming.
@Nathan i guess we will see. The handoffs and other aspects are going to add in at least some of the lag that low orbits took out.
@@watchthe1369 some say it might even be faster than fibre
Excellent description - I learned a lot. Great job! The irony is that at 5:52, "performance" is misspelled. We can all appreciate your problem: one must work hard to balance that fine edge of speed and accuracy to keep up with Musk/SpaceX!
I’m studying at MIT and I am going to do a Seminar on this topic...wish me luck 🤟🏼
So when wil the service be up and running?
Worth it being up at 4:09am here in Melbourne just for Curious Elephant. 😩
They should focus coverage on Asia and the U.S. initially. You know a Mars constellation is in the planning too.
Yeah, I think MRO might get a bit saturated when a colony gets started. Lol
Falcon heavy won't make a difference unless they design a completely new and larger cargo bay. Have you seen that photo? It's not fitting any more sats in there spatially alone regardless of payload weight capacity you'd gain going FH
SpaceX is like an incubator of life changing innovation! That inspires others to achieve great things with a guidebook.
Major questions:
1. Are there too many satellites?
2. If spaceX owns the international sky/space, will they have to go into a joint venture with individual countries? (Only one country (USA) should not be able to regulate the company SpaceX then? (Legal conundrum even before the technology takes flight)
2. What if 5G or other on the ground tech races to beat SpaceX to improve coverage? (Most people have access to high speed (not 5G) already - just applying 80-20 rule for the usage of the internet)
Either ways, super excited or speed & coverage by 2027
no one has jurisdiction above 50 miles. each country is responsible for their own equipment in space, except as determined by international agreements. Private enterprises are regulated by the country that they operate out of. Since SpaceX has approval from the USA, if any other nation has issue with it, they should bring it to the US government.
such a foreign nation would need to draft an international treaty that places restrictions and controls on satellite deployment. I doubt such a treaty would find the support it needs, and it could simply be ignored by any major power that doesn't sign it.
Roger Coulombe thank you for detailed explanation. It makes sense.
What also makes sense now is Space Force - a dumb and lazy version of trying to explain such advancements in Space tech and potential space wars!
Starlink is already 5G speed and projected 25 ms latency worldwide is astonishing. There is no foreseeable competition.
How about the Ping of the games because it spike the connection when the airplane pass by? It always occurred when Im playing Mobile Legends?
do you need to install something on your roof? or can use it directly
But what will a receiving end station look like? Will it not be personal? Will it be more like "this cruise ship has a Starlink antenna and shares wi-fi"? Or will we be able to use it as a pocket thing? I imagine something like a directional dish antenna on a 3-axis gimball, like the ones DJI makes for drones and camras. How cool would it be? Real personal dishes. Some sci-fi stuff.
They will use flat pizza box shaped antennas. No moving parts or dish.
@@Yusuke_Denton Boring. I want options. I want a freakin' dish on a gimball))
I'm amazed that no one caught the "Norminally" joke at 1:36 yet :D
this sounds perfect for RVers!!
How can I get the internet in my home ,what's the procedure for it
Step 1) wait 5 years until more satellites are in orbit
Two things you either did not consider, or chose not to mention when talking about number of launches needed:
1) Sattelites might become lighter with more rnd
2) SpaceX might put more sattelites on a single launch as heavier vehicles, ie. Spaceship, becomes available.
My take is that this launch is designed to prove to stakeholders and the world that they can do this with current tech. But I fully expect the plan to include future tech.
How much will it cost to pay for the spacex starlink internet?
Not much hopefully
10$ per month for 250 Mgb / Sec
20$ per month for 500 Mgb/Sec
30$ per month for 1G/Sec !!!!!
@@sharbfton5881 please cite a link
1 step closer to type I civilization
@Evropa but we will be closer to type 1 if we manage to make fusion work i mean fusion already works but we're not getting more energy than we put in
@@timgreller type 1 civilisation is the civilization which uses all of the energy on it planet type 2 is stars and type 3 is galaxy i think
@@mastershooter64 but doesn't the energy from the sun that reaches earth also count?
@@mastershooter64
according to Kardashev scale we need 100 more years to become I type civilization.
@Pichkalu Pappitalol no we don't get more energy than we put in dude.we get less energy out of it than we actually use to start and sustain the reaction and i dont think we can only sustain fusion reactions for very short periods of time if you consider 6 minutes a very short amount of time.
WALL-E is going to clean up all that space junk eventually.
Over 500,000 peices of trash we’ve launched
Love your videos.
The only thing left for him to do in the “Multi million dollar philanthropist businessman bucket list” is for him to become Batman.
He is more of a Tony Stark kind of guy
Can't wait for the day I turn on my WiFi and see the signal "Starlink, by SpaceX"
nice work :)
This is so great but im also worried about the growing junks of space debris’s
Always love your videos. They are interesting, and contain nice visuals to better portray what you're saying. What do you think SpaceX will charge for this internet monthly? Will it be cheaper, more expensive, or basically the same as other current providers?
Curious Elephant
from my understanding in these low orbits you cannt target a specific region of earth, since the period of ~1h 35m doesnt really align with Earths rotation (~24h), so i am very sure Elon meant global coverage with that. With that first launch you will basically have coverage twice a day for about 2 hours (4 hours per day total), and with each launch the theorhetical coverage should be 2*2hours more daily. (depending on latitude you might get more availability time, especially at 53°N/S). After these 6 launches the coverage should be 24 hours a day, but often on the edge of the sat coverage (when you are between two planes).
The focus to the north American Market more likely reffered to setting up the ground terminals, which are indeed location bound.
Now they need to built a star link transmitter/receiver in to the solar city roofs.
Hah, got you on this one: 60 is just because it is the number that fit in the fairing. It needs 66 sats to cover each orbit plane.
Right on ! You get it😎
Star link will be the Netflix of the internet industry
Thanks for the these great details and information on starlink, could you also make a video on how these satellites are being powered up to transmit extremely high frequencies, what is the other source besides solar power.
Impressive. Never thought SpaceX will go into such business, at a large scale. It feels like SpaceX has become the Tesla in the space industry
A Musk company keeping it small ? That'll be the day.
SpaceX is the biggest Launch provider in the world, tesla is nowhere near this in the auto industry
@@welyum7308, Starlink will help fund SpaceX launch missions,
@@davidrosner6267 i know
This video keeps saying that SpaceX has already sent the satellites to LEO. But it has not yet due to launch delays (harsh weather, satellite updates, etc.). Besides that, very well-made and informative video. Enjoyed it. Let's hope all goes according to plan. In Elon we trust ;)
They just launched 60 satellites last night...
@@georgemitchel23 OP posted their comment 3 days ago...
Weight is not mass.
Videos states the satellite "weighs 220 kg." You need revise the video to state "has a mass of 220 kg."
Weight 220 Kilogram-force
(kgf) xD
@@johntheux9238 video does not say kilogram force. Either way that's a Newton which is weight. This video is scientifically incorrect in that aspect. Needs to be revised
Butt we all no wot is meaned, you the nitpickiest!! ;]
Any idea on what would be the end user monthly cost?
Edit: I'm in US
I've heard ~$30, but that was from YT comments so who knows how accurate that is.
I think in the range of average telcos, but you will have to get the ground station too.
The end user monthly cost is...
(cue dramatic music)
one MILLION dollars!!! ( •̀ᴗ•́ )و ̑̑
Cost of using the service depends where in the world you live...
I imagine it will start off being fairly expensive but they begin to pay off the initial cost of launching the satellites the price should drop
Nice vid
but how fast would the internet quality be? will it be up to par with todays 4G speed?
is 1Gbps anywhere in the world enough?? Even if they provide 20Mbps, this itself will be a huge gamechanger
Hey, you didn't link the other video down below
now the night sky will have bright acne
Francisco Esquerra hell yeah I’m excited like people can’t wait a couple of seconds to watch a satellite fly by in their view 😂
What happens during bad weather?
Can the signal burn through a storm?
Kind of? It's a function of radio power, and being a lot closer will be a lot clearer than normal GEO satellite, but it is still radio, so electrical storms may still cause issues. That it can see several sats at a time MIGHT help with that, but I don't think anyone but SpaceX engineers know for sure, and even they haven't done real world tests yet, since they haven't launched enough to yet!
They should get most of Australia to sign up.
especially the aborigines as they are dying to get into video gaming
I'll be swapping over as soon as it's available in Australia.
When. Did they launch
Meanwhile Zuckerberg: "Internetplanes for Africa!"
German Roads with “basic internet”
Can't wait to add the first alien to my Facebook friends.
😁😂😂
You say that they could increase the number of sats carried per launch if they use falcon heavy, but there's two big problems there: it's already fairing limited, and there's no guarantee their standard payload adapter supports more weight either. It is the largest mass and largest volume payload they've ever launched, and they dont have a bigger fairing or beefier payload adapter for the FH
if starlink will have faster internet than 16 Mbits down and 1 up... I'm up for using it.. but doesn't I need a special receiver for it?
Much like cable, DSL, fixed wireless, Satellite, etc ISPs provide you with a modem (which is essentially a receiver), Starlink, or perhaps contracted providers utilizing starlink would provide you with the equipment necessary to use the service. Service offerings and performance remain yet to be seen, as it's quite likely that Starlink will first be targeted to rural areas due to limited capacity, and as they launch more satellites, if they perform well we might see them attempt to compete in urban areas.
The flat phased array antenna is also a modem/router. IDK if this is leased or purchased, but prices will be competitive or undercutting.
How much speed at MECO do you think?
LOTS ?
@@whereswa11y The two falcon heavy launches were a little bit disappointing, i hope this will be way faster.
@@johntheux9238 This launch wont be a falcon heavy.
@@MortyMortyMorty I know but the starlink satellites weight 18.5 tons so i'm hoping a speed at MECO higher than both previous falcon heavy launches.
Is this the furthest down range barge landing? It’s like 400 miles down range right?
The Falcon heavy landing for Arabsat was like 620 I think? I mean FH is a different vehicle though
How can you keep track of all those pieces, to make sure a spacecraft will not collide with any satellite?
All orbital debris, and all satellites are currently being tracked by various orbital observatories and carefully updated computer databases created.
The Starlink satellites will have a copy of that database on board, and will autonomously adjust their orbits as needed to avoid debris.
All other mission planners and spacecraft also use that database, so they can plan a course to avoid satellites as well as space debris.
How do the satalites disperse? The deployed them in one big cluster..
Tiny weak springs.
At the bands used, Starlink will only work outside with no obstructions to the sky, much like DIrectTv or Dish.
Other internet services require a cable at a fixed address...
IT world & internet technologies keep improving very quickly, I am curious how will SpaceX manage to upgrade 12 000 satellites when they become obsolete?
they reenter the atmosphere after their planned lifespan (5-7 years?) and are replaced
@@alquinn8576 how exactly do they plan to do it?
@@jendabekCZ if they merely stop station keeping they will fall due to atmospheric drag and reenter the atmosphere in a couple of years, though using the ion engine would speed up the process. they should pretty much entirely burn up in the atmosphere upon reentry.
@@alquinn8576 Thanks for explanation! That's one gigantic project and still we got almost no info in regular media, interesting.
Can you please do a video on rocket launch schedule.. How they arrive at the time of launch? What factors considered?
With Starlink movies like Castaway can never happen
💯
I didn't really realize before about the part that 1 satellite can cover 40,000 people watching 4K videos at the same time. Wow, that's crazy & almost unbelievable.
With all the space debris flying around up there it seems like thousands more satellites might create the conditions for a catastrophic cascading debris field that just grows and grows consuming all satellites eventually.
In comes Starship and launches 500 satellites at once. That would crazy 😁
666 satellites
The launch was absolutely epic, And there was no failure confetti, short sellers beware, THEY GOT ALL 60 IN ORBIT
So the cell poles and internet cables can be snipped and removed across the earth now? Can we return the earth to a natural looking marvel?
What a sweet chanel :)
Long haul flights over the Arctic, cruise ships, living in some fjord or island up north in Scandinavia...Why is it not planned any satellites over that region? Or maybe the curvature of Earth will mean there is coverage. But that would mean a greater distance and more lag?
At first the us... with the first few starts, then global. With 12k satellites it will have perfect global coverage.
I have a question though: in areas where Starlink aims to provide an alternative, aren't ground bases necessary? Isn't it subject to local government approval?
The final sat array won't require ground bases, but local government could probably jam the signals. Best to get approval.
@@Yusuke_Denton Brilliant. Thanks!
will these be used for cell phones?
How does one of those look like???
At :05 starlink project Decelerated? I think you mean ACCELERATED. If progress is speeding up.
He did say accelerated just in his accent
@@barneythethird1140 the letter D comes out, and has no place, accent or not. I don't believe he said accelerated at all.
I can't wait until I can get actual good internet for fre!
It won't be free
@Curious Elephant Hello,what is the name of the piano song please? It is beautiful.
My only concern with this is the Kessler effect that could possibly occur, however aside from that I’m all for it
Can u talk about how we are gonna recieve the network?
Like does everyone needs some kind of tower to recieve the high speed data?
we are supposed to get the signal with pizza box size receivers and i guess connect that to a modem not sure if any modem can be used or the antena would come with one since the speed will surely surpass 100mb
@@yabucoaman ok is there Any tower needed in the city or town?
Antenna needs a clear view of the sky, that's all. So incomplete urban coverage near the street level. Mount them on rooftop or mount a pair on opposite sides of the street.
The start of skynet
Here we go
and we've got the A.I. and killer robots
2019 .. i will miss how earth looked without satellites.
Very informative, thank you good sir!
Aussie internet sux, we need Starlink!
Will it be almost free and without censorship?
Censorship is relevant to servers, not Starlink routers.
@@avid0g Thanks... Then that's huge.
Are you sure that Falcon Heavy could lauch more Starlink sats than F9? Don't they have the same fairings and doesn't F9 already max out that fairing's volume?
Great episode, I'm loving every single minute of it!
I can't wait to ditch my internet provider
i can not believe they didn't name it skynet.
i mean, come on, SpaceX..., Come On!
Maybe they tried, but it was already copyrighted.
So what bandwidth would I get?
Very Cool idea, something I didnt hear addressed though is the risk of space junk destroying the satellite fleet. Space junk is already a huge issue that China has been trying to come up with solutions for.
Each Starlink satellite will have the database of space junk on board, and will maneuver autonomously to avoid collisions, thus preserving themselves, and preventing adding debris from a collision.
Then they deorbit rapidly when they stop working, and burn up in the atmosphere.
i just thought this starlink constellation could be used as super precise gps for tesla cars or others as it will have thousands of satellites to triangulate the signal.
1:40 noRminally? Typos can get really wired.
unnorminal man
Normally is correct, ask god insprucker!
Ask Daddy Insprucker about that.
@@subbot365 absolute unit. norminal yes