I own a flak cannon for home defence since that's what the founding coalition intended. 4 mudraptor breach into my sub, what the clang I yell as I grab my diving suit and shotgun with explosive slugs. Blow a hole through the first mudraptor he is dead on the spot. Draw my hand cannon on the second mudraptor but miss him entirely since its a smooth bore and nails the nearby engineer I have to resort to the flak cannon mounted at the top of the access hatch loaded with spreader rounds 2 mudraptor get shredded by the high velocity shrapnel. At last the sound of flood alarms Affix phycorium diving knife and charge the last mudraptor. The last mudraptor bleeds out waiting for the crawler broodmother to arrive since phycorium diving knife wounds are impossible to stitch up Just what the founding Europan coalition intended *wartrauma intensifies*
Tip: Deep Tissue Injury bypass all the gear protection (the mudraptor shell only protects the chest, but the other parts...), making it one of the most powerful afflictions if used in combat with armored foes
Awesome video, I'm on the official wiki team so i can say your videos are very well done and informative, also yes explosive flak is broken with a possible damage of up to 1100 explosive damage lol, Great video as always.
Flak cannon got heavily nerfed after this video. v0.20.12.0 ChangeLog - Nerfed flak cannon's explosive ammo. v0.21.4.0 ChangeLog - Reduced Flak Cannon effectiveness (in particular Spreader Ammo and Explosive Ammo), against large enemies in particular. Looking forward to the updated flak ammo comparison video :)
As typical with any choice of large hard point turrets, it’s up to preference. Want something that uses similar ammo to the smaller hard points? Double coilgun. Want a big powerful gun that has the capability for launching nukes? Railgun. Want more powerful ammo for cheap but not single shot? Flak.
Good stuff. Seeing it all lile this really makes me think changes are needed, explosive seems best in almost every scenario and I can't see myself using focused at any point.
Great job. At the beginning of a new company with friends, we undeservedly rejected the Flak Cannon, but based on your tests, it is cheaper and more effective than the Railgun Shell with C-4. However, the railgun of course has a Physicorium Shell and nukes are still the only way to be sure, but the flak looks a lot better and more versatile in the early-mid game. And if you accelerate the rate of fire with the help of an engineer ... Thanks for the tests!
As an engineer, it's not really possible to increase the rate of fire of turrets during campaigns. We can do it in sub editor, but our possibilities on submarines are low. wiring is for making your own quality of life additions to your submarine, like alarms for when reactor fuel is low, better automatic reactor control, some text displays, keeping the chaingun always revved up, that kind of stuff. not just plain upgrades, go talk to the submarine editors for that.
something interesting I have seen in a sub design using the flak cannon (the Minotaur) is a "Flak Cannon MK2" which fires way faster with the balance of jamming if you shoot too much. (awesome video by the way thank you InitialDesu)
great vid, straight to the point, load of infos, perfect comparisons ! If I may suggest another comparison : railgun payload. Theres quite a debate, I've seen people talk about everything : fuel rods, frag grenade, uex, compound N, sodium, C4, oxygen tanks, ancient weapon, oxygenite shard... Oh, and toolbelts loaded with oxygenite/whatever you wish. I've even seen suggested salt bulbs/mutated pomegranate
Been having alot of fun with the flak, and it felt pretty strong, but I didn't know THIS strong. It outdamages c-4 railgun? 4 shots a moloch? Also really easy to maintain ammo for. seems pretty nutty
@@mishagaming1075 is it getting nerfed or are you just speculating? (haven't engaged with baro in a while) Edit: okay someone like a comment down mentioned the nerfs I
You may or may not have convinced me to buy a flak cannon, but I still need time to think about it. I do love my nuclear railgun shells, in spite of how expensive they are... 2:32 That brother gone
amazing! the wiki is pretty sparse on the flak cannons, so i was never able to really make a good judgement call, especially when using them in singleplayer with AI manning all the guns. Now i see the light
The issue with explosive ammo is that if another crewman is swimming around the sub and you need you guard him from other creatures, you might accidentally hurt him from the AoE of the explosion.
Would it be possible to make a comparison of the three types of explosive ammo loaded into a railgun? I've heard that C4 is best for structure, Compound N does the most direct damage and UEX has the widest range, but I'm not sure
Frag granade have same pattern of damage as flak projectail, but deal mush more damage, C-4 good only against structures (It's really bad idea to use it in heavy weapon comparation). UEX is usefull only against big swarm and still mush worse then a frag granade. Compound N do more damage against armored targets because of burn damage instead of deep tissue injurity/lancelation/bleed, however is useless against fractal guard and other burn resistaant targets.
0:33 Physicorium get worst result - 15 shots to kill. 1:01 second place, 5:45 "HIGH DAMAGE; GOOD AGAINST ANY TARGET " - No. Medium damage and Good against unarmored targets.
Thanks to this video I was able to stomp on any enemy that threatened my crew & sub, flak cannon + explosive ammunition is easy mode, nothing can stand before us, mission in which we have to deal with tiger thresher swarms, eliminating hammeheads or the unexpected abyssal creature are now moments that are far more easily managable, fight that would take us +30 minutes, fight+repairing+healing+continue with the voyage, now takes us 5 or less to kill them and leave for minerals on the walls, beacon stations, etc
Польза рельсотрона сводится на нет с каждым обновлением. Убраные ваншоты, дороговизна боеприпасов, высокие требования к знанию балистики пули, патроны которые надо таскать по одному. Зачем это все, если есть убивалка за 300 рублей с 1-2 секундами перезарядки.
I know the railgun has the nuclear shell... but is it worth it anymore? the explosive flak is faster and has more ammo. Flak needs a nerf. It does better than a railgun!? Bruh.
Friendship ended with Railgun now my favorite is flak cannon..... Just by being a box is already much more manageable than single shot rail shells... But seriously thou.. they really need to up the railgun game to be relevant in game... Increase shell travel speed? Capability of piercing multiple enemies? Scratch that filling railgun shells with explosives make them a kind of hydrodinamic rail shell and a bit bigger and longer range. Make them on the lines of a specialized weapon to engage long distant targets. Increase its damage against single targets and skillfull gunners can end one line of enemies with a well place shot. Basic ammo on railgun APCRH rail shells HE shells(acts like the flak cannon exploding near enemies) and tactical Nuke shells of course and buff it up its damage and radius. Balance them out by making them draw a lot of power from the sub . We need smaller arms like remote machine guns. Remove coilguns and double coil guns... Chaingun and double chaingun are the goat
Beautiful gun. It's hard to say but imho flak cannon must be nerfed, and focused ammo must be buffed, as it need lead for crafting. Until it happened, good bye old friend railgun.
they only being reliable against large creature In real practice, it’s pretty bad at crowd due to how large the spread is, small creature may not even take damage at all, because the shell explode before reach the target and initial explosion isn’t big enough to reach them. You get more consistent and better result with spreader
@@InitialDesu I believe he is talking about setting up for comarisions. Spawning creatures having them sit still putting the weapons on and so fourth. Could be an idea for a video probably. That way people can experiment on their own to find out what they like.
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2:32 Own a flak cannon for home self defense as the founding coalition intended
*coalition anthem intensifies*
If a bunch of a husks break in to my sub I have a flat cannon with explosive rounds at the bottom of the main access ladder
I own a flak cannon for home defence since that's what the founding coalition intended.
4 mudraptor breach into my sub, what the clang I yell as I grab my diving suit and shotgun with explosive slugs.
Blow a hole through the first mudraptor he is dead on the spot.
Draw my hand cannon on the second mudraptor but miss him entirely since its a smooth bore and nails the nearby engineer
I have to resort to the flak cannon mounted at the top of the access hatch loaded with spreader rounds
2 mudraptor get shredded by the high velocity shrapnel. At last the sound of flood alarms
Affix phycorium diving knife and charge the last mudraptor.
The last mudraptor bleeds out waiting for the crawler broodmother to arrive since phycorium diving knife wounds are impossible to stitch up
Just what the founding Europan coalition intended *wartrauma intensifies*
When the Tiger Thresher crew invades your sub but your captain or your sec officer starts speaking german: HANS LOAD THE FLAKKANONE!
@@cideltacommand7169 TALLY HO CLOWNS
Tip: Deep Tissue Injury bypass all the gear protection (the mudraptor shell only protects the chest, but the other parts...), making it one of the most powerful afflictions if used in combat with armored foes
Of note: It counts as Internal Damage for Creature Damage modifiers.
Awesome video, I'm on the official wiki team so i can say your videos are very well done and informative, also yes explosive flak is broken with a possible damage of up to 1100 explosive damage lol, Great video as always.
Thanks, glad that you liked it
Flak cannon got heavily nerfed after this video.
v0.20.12.0 ChangeLog - Nerfed flak cannon's explosive ammo.
v0.21.4.0 ChangeLog - Reduced Flak Cannon effectiveness (in particular Spreader Ammo and Explosive Ammo), against large enemies in particular.
Looking forward to the updated flak ammo comparison video :)
NOOOO I LOVE THIS GUN
@@RuneofÓðinnit's still really powerful, me and my friend defeated the charybdis with only coilguns and spreader flak
As typical with any choice of large hard point turrets, it’s up to preference.
Want something that uses similar ammo to the smaller hard points? Double coilgun.
Want a big powerful gun that has the capability for launching nukes? Railgun.
Want more powerful ammo for cheap but not single shot? Flak.
Good stuff. Seeing it all lile this really makes me think changes are needed, explosive seems best in almost every scenario and I can't see myself using focused at any point.
I've watched three of your videos and I'm loving it so far.
Awesome comparison videos. It is good to see the actual difference, and not just some numbers.
Great job.
At the beginning of a new company with friends, we undeservedly rejected the Flak Cannon, but based on your tests, it is cheaper and more effective than the Railgun Shell with C-4. However, the railgun of course has a Physicorium Shell and nukes are still the only way to be sure, but the flak looks a lot better and more versatile in the early-mid game.
And if you accelerate the rate of fire with the help of an engineer ...
Thanks for the tests!
As an engineer, it's not really possible to increase the rate of fire of turrets during campaigns.
We can do it in sub editor, but our possibilities on submarines are low.
wiring is for making your own quality of life additions to your submarine, like alarms for when reactor fuel is low, better automatic reactor control, some text displays, keeping the chaingun always revved up, that kind of stuff.
not just plain upgrades, go talk to the submarine editors for that.
Flak cannon seems very strong but also ammo efficient , maybe a bit too much? Fun to use though.
Yeah 100 shots is a bit ridiculous, maybe 50-25 ish
something interesting I have seen in a sub design using the flak cannon (the Minotaur) is a "Flak Cannon MK2" which fires way faster with the balance of jamming if you shoot too much.
(awesome video by the way thank you InitialDesu)
one of the best comparison video's you've made yet
YOU MAKE THE AWESOME GAME MORE ACCESIBLE TO ME YEARS LATER THANK YOU
great vid, straight to the point, load of infos, perfect comparisons !
If I may suggest another comparison : railgun payload. Theres quite a debate, I've seen people talk about everything : fuel rods, frag grenade, uex, compound N, sodium, C4, oxygen tanks, ancient weapon, oxygenite shard... Oh, and toolbelts loaded with oxygenite/whatever you wish. I've even seen suggested salt bulbs/mutated pomegranate
Excellent video! Concise and informative with everything I need!
Been having alot of fun with the flak, and it felt pretty strong, but I didn't know THIS strong. It outdamages c-4 railgun? 4 shots a moloch? Also really easy to maintain ammo for. seems pretty nutty
Seems pretty broken tbh.
@@justafurrywithinternet317the nerfs on their way to beat the shit out of flak cannon:
@@mishagaming1075 is it getting nerfed or are you just speculating? (haven't engaged with baro in a while) Edit: okay someone like a comment down mentioned the nerfs I
No latchers were harmed in this video
You may or may not have convinced me to buy a flak cannon, but I still need time to think about it. I do love my nuclear railgun shells, in spite of how expensive they are...
2:32 That brother gone
amazing! the wiki is pretty sparse on the flak cannons, so i was never able to really make a good judgement call, especially when using them in singleplayer with AI manning all the guns. Now i see the light
The issue with explosive ammo is that if another crewman is swimming around the sub and you need you guard him from other creatures, you might accidentally hurt him from the AoE of the explosion.
No wonder people I play with all like this thing, it is powerful as hell.
Watching those I feel like attending some barotrauma captain academy
High quality content thank you for the effort and time.
I love the flak, its a powerhouse, though Im afraid of how it might get balanced in the future, I fear it might just become useless after a nerf.
i love the "aah OOH o a a a h !" at the end, lmao
Love your edits!
Like the science you performed here :D
Would it be possible to make a comparison of the three types of explosive ammo loaded into a railgun?
I've heard that C4 is best for structure, Compound N does the most direct damage and UEX has the widest range, but I'm not sure
Frag granade have same pattern of damage as flak projectail, but deal mush more damage, C-4 good only against structures (It's really bad idea to use it in heavy weapon comparation). UEX is usefull only against big swarm and still mush worse then a frag granade. Compound N do more damage against armored targets because of burn damage instead of deep tissue injurity/lancelation/bleed, however is useless against fractal guard and other burn resistaant targets.
0:33 Physicorium get worst result - 15 shots to kill. 1:01 second place, 5:45 "HIGH DAMAGE; GOOD AGAINST ANY TARGET " - No. Medium damage and Good against unarmored targets.
Thanks for the analysis, I've used it as evidence in a report showing that Spreader Flak is too powerful.
These videos are so good and useful.
2:40 bro you gave him eternal stun, not just long
Thanks for video. Now i will use flak more often. You need make video's for wiki
can you update this video explosive flak has been nerfed
Poor Rowena.
still wakes up tho, so she's fine
Is it just me or does explosive flak cannon make the railgun COMPLETELY USELESS unless it's using nuclear shells
Thanks to this video I was able to stomp on any enemy that threatened my crew & sub, flak cannon + explosive ammunition is easy mode, nothing can stand before us, mission in which we have to deal with tiger thresher swarms, eliminating hammeheads or the unexpected abyssal creature are now moments that are far more easily managable, fight that would take us +30 minutes, fight+repairing+healing+continue with the voyage, now takes us 5 or less to kill them and leave for minerals on the walls, beacon stations, etc
Польза рельсотрона сводится на нет с каждым обновлением. Убраные ваншоты, дороговизна боеприпасов, высокие требования к знанию балистики пули, патроны которые надо таскать по одному. Зачем это все, если есть убивалка за 300 рублей с 1-2 секундами перезарядки.
Moral of the story: kablooey
rail gun comparison with all explosives and shells?
bro this is super fuckin informative, thank you very much, looks like I'll be sticking with my flak cannons!
It's literally launching constant explosion.
I think it has too much ammo in it's boxes for ONE phosphorous.
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How can weapons be tested in the same way? where can this be done?
I know the railgun has the nuclear shell... but is it worth it anymore? the explosive flak is faster and has more ammo. Flak needs a nerf. It does better than a railgun!? Bruh.
Блин, друг, ты очень круто снимает, ты крутой, удачи тебе и дальше
Friendship ended with Railgun now my favorite is flak cannon.....
Just by being a box is already much more manageable than single shot rail shells...
But seriously thou.. they really need to up the railgun game to be relevant in game...
Increase shell travel speed? Capability of piercing multiple enemies? Scratch that filling railgun shells with explosives make them a kind of hydrodinamic rail shell and a bit bigger and longer range. Make them on the lines of a specialized weapon to engage long distant targets. Increase its damage against single targets and skillfull gunners can end one line of enemies with a well place shot.
Basic ammo on railgun APCRH rail shells HE shells(acts like the flak cannon exploding near enemies) and tactical Nuke shells of course and buff it up its damage and radius. Balance them out by making them draw a lot of power from the sub .
We need smaller arms like remote machine guns. Remove coilguns and double coil guns...
Chaingun and double chaingun are the goat
So.. how does one get a flak cannon? Seems like all the shops ever offer is coil, laser, and chain. Heh, sounds like a band name..
it seems the meta for barotrauma is just exploding everything
Why would you even use physicorium shells when explosive does everything they do and can be crafted without abyss materials?
How much shots in one box?
наконец-то я знаю куда деть этот алюминий
nothing quite like getting shot in the back by the flak gun with explosive rounds i forgot to destaff when i go to check out wrecks or caves
Is Flak Cannon got Nerf in version 1.0? It seems to be weak than in video
yes
Meanwhile on EK armoury heavy railgun :)
This turret seems very overpowered lmao both in damage and sustainability. It needs either a nerf or other turrets a buff
Beautiful gun. It's hard to say but imho flak cannon must be nerfed, and focused ammo must be buffed, as it need lead for crafting. Until it happened, good bye old friend railgun.
Ok explosive needs to be nerfed this is ridiculous.Makes abyss monsters into jokes.
they were nerfed
@@InitialDesu Thank cthulu christ
they only being reliable against large creature
In real practice, it’s pretty bad at crowd due to how large the spread is, small creature may not even take damage at all, because the shell explode before reach the target and initial explosion isn’t big enough to reach them.
You get more consistent and better result with spreader
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Окей, подивлюсь
damn... focused shells suck
Physicorium got nerfed
How do you do this? Is this a mod? If so what mod is it?
What exactly?
@@InitialDesu I believe he is talking about setting up for comarisions. Spawning creatures having them sit still putting the weapons on and so fourth.
Could be an idea for a video probably. That way people can experiment on their own to find out what they like.