@@Txkxi yeah facts. Brig and Bap completely ruined OW1 and single handedly cause double shield and the dev team refused to nerf them. They nerfed the shield healths multiple times but that didn’t change anything because the AOE sustain was just too much.
I never got the hate for OW lootboxes. You got one for free every level up. Meanwhile TF2's crates strsight up gave me a gambling disorder as a 12 year old kid which I still struggle with at 27 because I unboxed two jackpo- uhh I mean unusuals...
I don't think 6v6 will SAVE OW2 but it will definitely push it in the right direction, especially considering that we have Ram now. If they give back his ability to punch through shields, double shield might not be as effective
The lack of cinematics to progress the story has really killed the investment in the game for me, we got one cinematic for the release of OW2 saying there back and all we've gotten after is character cinematics that don't progress the story and collabs that always have a kiriko skin somehow, great vid.
@ awesome man. I got to play a few ow games with you a while ago, I bought the pool torb just for the meme back then too. But Rivals feels even better than launch ow in 2016, It’s hard to go back and play it now lmao
I think it's a good idea to further encourage play testing for 6v6 to have it available for 4 weeks at the end of a season for comp! However, if 6v6 was permanent game mode that came back every single season for 4 weeks I don't think it will be a good idea in the long run. I could be wrong but players would treat it as if it was a OW limited event mode by playing it for those 4 weeks before leaving and not coming back. Even if there was a permanent 6v6 and 5v5 unranked mode that players can play in the meantime it would split the player base further creating even higher queue times and not really "solving" the problem. One thing I learned about the 5v5 and 6v6 conversations is that there is no solution to the problem, only compromises. As for the reputation of announcing 6v6 back into the game, you are 100% correct there. It will be ugly and everyone will clown on OW again for pretty much going back full circle. They already did when they announced they will be doing the 6v6 test but this time it will be much much louder. It's up to blizzard to either rip the bandaid off when the time comes, take the hate comments in the chin and move on or do nothing about it.
it’s partly due to lack of understanding of the 5v5 format and also partly due to the OW devs gaslighting the playerbase into thinking the 6v6 format was the cause of double shield. People who think 5v5 is better simply do not have the understanding of “asymmetrical format leads to asymmetrical balancing”. They don’t know about WHY double shield existed and WHY queue times were so long. It’s a lack of understanding.
Honestly, I think Overwatch actually has always been toxic for players. It never had real competition, they've been trying to appeal to wider audiences forgeting about the story and their true fans along the way, and finally, they have little to no one who was apart of the original Overwatch that built the game. All we can literally do is hope something changes. Hope that Marvel Rivals actually makes them true, hope they listen to players' opinions, and hope their next move, whatever it is, is amazing and what the community needs and wants.
the fact they released cardboard skins for BOTH the times ow2 has lost popularity with rein and the others cant be a coincidence, the lowest effort possible theme for their lowest points is just comedic gold that they have to be aware of
A bit of misinformation here. The 2-2-2 test will be the first week of season 14. Aaron confirmed this in the interview with spilo. No idea why they haven't changed that on their blog
I agree, as a long time fan of the game as well. I don't see 6v6 saving Overwatch. While it's nice to have the superior format back, there is still heroes that ruined 6v6 like Sigma and Bap, and heroes that could ruin it like Kiriko that need to be addressed. As for the whole going back makes the sequel pointless thing, I think that is the right direction. Blizzard should remove the 2 from the game's title and flat out restart with the game's branding and separate it from the "sequel" as much as possible. 6v6 won't save Overwatch, but it will be a step (albeit small step) in the right direction. Great video.
Short answer no, it's not dieing nor is the format the reason people actually engage with ow. That's mostly just the heroes doing cool things and interacting in interesting ways.
Why are you blaming the format for the lack of balance and bad hero design? Double shield was dominant, not because of the 6v6 format, but because of overpowered AOE healing like Bap and Brig and immortality field being broken. Stop blaming the format for the dev team’s bad balancing and lack of patches. The dev team REFUSED to nerf Brig or Bap, the main cause of double shield. If OW1 had the better map design of OW2 and had fun tanks like Junker Queen and Ramattra, double shield wouldn’t have existed and queue times wouldn’t have been so bad.
late stages of OW1 left a poor taste in people’s because the dev team refused to update the game because they were “all hands on deck” for OW2 and the PvE mode (lol). With the current dev team and their consistent patches, 6v6 would perform MUCH better. People gotta remember that the OW1 dev team was EXTREMELY slow and refused to nerf them main problems. There are THOUSANDS of videos from back then explaining how to stop double shield, but the dev team refused to listen and nerf AOE healing.
i'd say yes, but people will still run off on their own to get POTG instead of focusing on the point, nevertheless 6v6 will make that easier to deal with
The problems aren't going to be gone completely but I think easier to fix in 6v6 5v5 -solved double shield -Brought giga tanks like mauga -shortened que times -tanks getting hit with every cooldow in existence and dying -Godzilla vs King Kong -toxicity to tank players because they can hold the game hostage more often if they suck 6v6 -Double shield meta -Goats meta -Dive meta -BRIGITTE!!! -lack of content because of ow2s release -player agency -more punishing on mistakes -a better tank experience -things die -The October 2020 Patch
@cantu7214 exactly the point I'm making... the game was never perfect and never will be however it wasn't a format issue it was and still is a balance issue.
Thankfully at least the Devs this time will constantly patch the game unlike ow1 and the constant nerfs to brig that lasted for years and she was top tier by the end of the game
@@its_lucky2526 lack of engaging tank design was also the issue. Had OW1 had tank design like Junker Queen and Ramattra, queue times wouldn’t have been so bad
6v6 not going save Overwatch (espically if they nerf HP Pools but feel they not going to) but it is the right step forward. It will heal Competive and shake up Meta a bit. Now they need Nerf/rework annoying heroes and stop with new heroes till they finish PVE mode.
Blizzard is only putting back in 6v6 because of marvel being their biggest competition, still marvel is just going to be better even than ow 6v6 because marvel has wayy better maps and they don't tell you to pay 70$ for a mythic skin, plus the only good part of loot boxes is that it gave you currency you can buy new skins without needing to spend money, and the patches blizzard does are ass like goats meta so even if marvel has bad ones it will still be better than what ow does lol.
Nah! At this point, they'd need to bring back Classic overwatch 100%. F2P methods of getting ALL the cosmetics in weekly quests *Random rewards for winning 3/6/9*
No because they wouldn’t be able to balance 6v6 because the devs are brain dead so I’m just gonna keep playing rivals 6v6 is better btw but these devs are just brain dead
How y'all feel about 6v6?
i mean its alright like
I started in OW2 and honestly I’m fine with 5v5
I’m so ready to play Zarya + Rein again, classic didn’t give me enough I NEED MORE
your bird its like tulin from zelda totk
Marvel Rivals video when?
Sounds like Kiriko needs more skins in my opinion
Get this man a true
Nah buff blackwidow and more skins
Don't forget Mercy skin and Orisa Buff
the double shield comp forever haunts my nightmares
5v5 balance is worse
all they had to do was nerf brig and bap and rework orisa but they refused cause they were “focusing” on OW2 PvE lmfaooooo. They did us so dirty
@@cantu7214 could have balanced the shields nerf the sustain it had too
@@Txkxi yeah facts. Brig and Bap completely ruined OW1 and single handedly cause double shield and the dev team refused to nerf them. They nerfed the shield healths multiple times but that didn’t change anything because the AOE sustain was just too much.
@cantu7214 I'm not ow1 player but watching old owl clips it made it clear with its sustain
The cat popping in and out all video made this a 10/10 watch for me
They honestly should bring back loot boxes though
I need them back to feed my crippling gambling addiction
Thought it was well established that it is illegal for them
@@Ziluette i wish we could have them in the uk its not illegal here i really need my gambling addiction :(
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I never got the hate for OW lootboxes. You got one for free every level up. Meanwhile TF2's crates strsight up gave me a gambling disorder as a 12 year old kid which I still struggle with at 27 because I unboxed two jackpo- uhh I mean unusuals...
I feel like 6v6 isn’t gonna hit the same the way it did back in the day, the new tanks like Mauga will ruin it I’m sure
They’ve changed it since that blog, the classic 2-2-2 is first now!!
Thanks for the update!
Why would I waste my time for a experiment for a format I know is better. When I could have 10x more fun swinging to the back line as Spider-Man
I really liked your competitive 6v6 idea, I would love to have that in the game honestly
I don't think 6v6 will SAVE OW2 but it will definitely push it in the right direction, especially considering that we have Ram now. If they give back his ability to punch through shields, double shield might not be as effective
They already did that
Double shield don’t work anyways, it only worked cause Orisa had a shield that lasted 20 secs with over 1k hp(don’t quote me on the shield details)
i rather wait 15 min for a good game than 5 min for stomp or get stomped.
Most people won’t
You will wait 15 min for a game you have zero control over and THEN get stomped.
@@BlazeD_7 ye they should fix matchmaker too
The lack of cinematics to progress the story has really killed the investment in the game for me, we got one cinematic for the release of OW2 saying there back and all we've gotten after is character cinematics that don't progress the story and collabs that always have a kiriko skin somehow, great vid.
play rivals man, shit is pure heat
downloading it as I’m typing this
@ awesome man. I got to play a few ow games with you a while ago, I bought the pool torb just for the meme back then too. But Rivals feels even better than launch ow in 2016, It’s hard to go back and play it now lmao
As a new player, I played classic and it actually was so fun with the 6v6, I felt more limited going into the 5v5
Same, It was one of the few times I had fun with ow2 since its release
I think it's a good idea to further encourage play testing for 6v6 to have it available for 4 weeks at the end of a season for comp! However, if 6v6 was permanent game mode that came back every single season for 4 weeks I don't think it will be a good idea in the long run. I could be wrong but players would treat it as if it was a OW limited event mode by playing it for those 4 weeks before leaving and not coming back. Even if there was a permanent 6v6 and 5v5 unranked mode that players can play in the meantime it would split the player base further creating even higher queue times and not really "solving" the problem.
One thing I learned about the 5v5 and 6v6 conversations is that there is no solution to the problem, only compromises.
As for the reputation of announcing 6v6 back into the game, you are 100% correct there. It will be ugly and everyone will clown on OW again for pretty much going back full circle. They already did when they announced they will be doing the 6v6 test but this time it will be much much louder. It's up to blizzard to either rip the bandaid off when the time comes, take the hate comments in the chin and move on or do nothing about it.
New Barron video W
I cant understand people who likes 5v5
i think they just dont care enough or never played 6v6
it’s partly due to lack of understanding of the 5v5 format and also partly due to the OW devs gaslighting the playerbase into thinking the 6v6 format was the cause of double shield. People who think 5v5 is better simply do not have the understanding of “asymmetrical format leads to asymmetrical balancing”. They don’t know about WHY double shield existed and WHY queue times were so long. It’s a lack of understanding.
Mix of ignorance and blizz shilling
it's the players who never played ow1, so never got to experience how 6v6 feels
OW will probably just end up as another TF2
I miss the search team feature
Honestly, I think Overwatch actually has always been toxic for players. It never had real competition, they've been trying to appeal to wider audiences forgeting about the story and their true fans along the way, and finally, they have little to no one who was apart of the original Overwatch that built the game. All we can literally do is hope something changes. Hope that Marvel Rivals actually makes them true, hope they listen to players' opinions, and hope their next move, whatever it is, is amazing and what the community needs and wants.
the fact they released cardboard skins for BOTH the times ow2 has lost popularity with rein and the others cant be a coincidence, the lowest effort possible theme for their lowest points is just comedic gold that they have to be aware of
I love that you use anything but that 1 sonic unleashed song that people spam even when it doesn’t go with their video
A bit of misinformation here. The 2-2-2 test will be the first week of season 14. Aaron confirmed this in the interview with spilo. No idea why they haven't changed that on their blog
I agree, as a long time fan of the game as well. I don't see 6v6 saving Overwatch. While it's nice to have the superior format back, there is still heroes that ruined 6v6 like Sigma and Bap, and heroes that could ruin it like Kiriko that need to be addressed. As for the whole going back makes the sequel pointless thing, I think that is the right direction. Blizzard should remove the 2 from the game's title and flat out restart with the game's branding and separate it from the "sequel" as much as possible. 6v6 won't save Overwatch, but it will be a step (albeit small step) in the right direction. Great video.
Man you need to start a members program, would love to support!
Short answer: No.
Long answer: A short form resurgence will appear, then it will die out.
They Should add the archive missions to the mission menu.
ur cat is so cute i cant
The lack of balance changes ruins it for me.
Micro changes are super boring.
What tank player is gonna get excited for 25 HP being turned into armor.
I don't think it will change anything...people are going to get 6v6 and then they're going to complain it isn't THEIR perfect version of 6v6.
Short answer no, it's not dieing nor is the format the reason people actually engage with ow. That's mostly just the heroes doing cool things and interacting in interesting ways.
I miss Overwatch. The only thing that really reeled me back in was the friend group i play with and HAZARD I LOVE HAZARD MORE HAZARD
He is back 😮😮😮
As long as they keep the characters in this more aggressive state, I'll be fine w 6v6 formats. Or just keep one tank and add a support
Why are you blaming the format for the lack of balance and bad hero design? Double shield was dominant, not because of the 6v6 format, but because of overpowered AOE healing like Bap and Brig and immortality field being broken. Stop blaming the format for the dev team’s bad balancing and lack of patches. The dev team REFUSED to nerf Brig or Bap, the main cause of double shield. If OW1 had the better map design of OW2 and had fun tanks like Junker Queen and Ramattra, double shield wouldn’t have existed and queue times wouldn’t have been so bad.
late stages of OW1 left a poor taste in people’s because the dev team refused to update the game because they were “all hands on deck” for OW2 and the PvE mode (lol). With the current dev team and their consistent patches, 6v6 would perform MUCH better. People gotta remember that the OW1 dev team was EXTREMELY slow and refused to nerf them main problems. There are THOUSANDS of videos from back then explaining how to stop double shield, but the dev team refused to listen and nerf AOE healing.
Short answer, no, but it will be a big step in the right direction
ah yes well well said mr sethersonaderson
You can’t re implement old features and call them updates. So no
i'd say yes, but people will still run off on their own to get POTG instead of focusing on the point, nevertheless 6v6 will make that easier to deal with
The problems aren't going to be gone completely but I think easier to fix in 6v6
5v5
-solved double shield
-Brought giga tanks like mauga
-shortened que times
-tanks getting hit with every cooldow in existence and dying
-Godzilla vs King Kong
-toxicity to tank players because they can hold the game hostage more often if they suck
6v6
-Double shield meta
-Goats meta
-Dive meta
-BRIGITTE!!!
-lack of content because of ow2s release
-player agency
-more punishing on mistakes
-a better tank experience
-things die
-The October 2020 Patch
6v6 didn’t cause double shield or GOATS. the lack of balancing and bad hero design did by the dev team at the time did.
@cantu7214 exactly the point I'm making... the game was never perfect and never will be however it wasn't a format issue it was and still is a balance issue.
@@zeroz294 the balance issues of OW2 directly correlate with the format tho. asymmetrical format = asymmetrical balancing.
Thankfully at least the Devs this time will constantly patch the game unlike ow1 and the constant nerfs to brig that lasted for years and she was top tier by the end of the game
@@cantu7214 yep
Well that funny when it finally have true competition then it want bring back 6v6
tank didn't kill queue times. dps just had too many players, and there were little overall players.
@@its_lucky2526 lack of engaging tank design was also the issue. Had OW1 had tank design like Junker Queen and Ramattra, queue times wouldn’t have been so bad
Soo its basicly just overwatch now?
No pve, no 5v5.
I'm done say ving
Idc if it was annoying but it was still fun in my opinion
Off topic but you got nice colour grading
It’s one step closer
6v6 not going save Overwatch (espically if they nerf HP Pools but feel they not going to) but it is the right step forward. It will heal Competive and shake up Meta a bit. Now they need Nerf/rework annoying heroes and stop with new heroes till they finish PVE mode.
Didn't they say 2-2-2 will be tested before 1-3?
Blizzard is only putting back in 6v6 because of marvel being their biggest competition, still marvel is just going to be better even than ow 6v6 because marvel has wayy better maps and they don't tell you to pay 70$ for a mythic skin, plus the only good part of loot boxes is that it gave you currency you can buy new skins without needing to spend money, and the patches blizzard does are ass like goats meta so even if marvel has bad ones it will still be better than what ow does lol.
min 1 max 3? getting the homies on to queue mauga orisa hog 😈😈😈
Ok I do not understand the que times thing. Like marvel rivals is like 3 seconds till I find a game everytime
It has over 300k player so yeah the que time is short
@ and Overwatch don’t? Across all platforms?
open queue
@@the_seahawk22 meaning MR still has more over console but also open Que basically
Nah!
At this point, they'd need to bring back Classic overwatch 100%.
F2P methods of getting ALL the cosmetics in weekly quests *Random rewards for winning 3/6/9*
ow balance? maybe depending on how good of a job they do
the more casual side? (with it i mean stuff like lore,cinematics ect) hell nah
I hope Marvel Rivals being successful and stealing overwatch's players. Slaps some sense into blizzard to do better.
Just nerf Genji already
tbh I kinda ditched ow2 lmao
no, a new CEO would, tho
gooners getting mad at u for calling out blizzard sexualizing characters in the venture video is so pathetic omg
The people crying about 6v6 are a vocal minority
No because they wouldn’t be able to balance 6v6 because the devs are brain dead so I’m just gonna keep playing rivals 6v6 is better btw but these devs are just brain dead
Nah it is too late already, marvel rivals is out and it buried last bits of hopes for blizzard.
Nah this game is cooked
It's too late.
its already dead lmao, just play rivals at this point
No
No