Yes, the Coyuxquihui, Tantoyuca and Totonicapan rebellions (among others), that took place during this war, were carried out by native peoples, like the Huastecs, Totonacs and K'iche'. Also, many people in the armies of Guerrero, Ascencio, Rayón, Magos, León and Hermosillo were natives, including Mixtecs, Pames, Jonaces, Nahuas and Coras.
@@hueytlahtoani1304 Maybe "Visión de los Vencidos" by Miguel Leon-Portilla could be a good start; but let me warn you, there are very few materials on native resistance in early New Spain, as most chroniclers focused on the campaigns that were being fought in other parts of the new realm against the then-unconquered Purepecha, the Mixtec and other native nations.
@@AztlanHistorian actually around the time of the war of independence 80% spoke native languages. It can be argued that assimilation was far worse under independent Mexico.
Great thing Mexico took a chunk out of the victory for a while to think of a alternate timeline where they would keep California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas, And Calorado
There were many factors that led to the loss of the north; although the explanation of the many elements behind the outcome of the War of 1847 would require a video of their own.
El nivel de detalle que tiene este video es impresionante, de los pocos que hay este es el mas detallado que hay Maravilloso trabajo!! Espero continúes haciendo videos de este tipo relacionados a la historia territorial mexicana, no vendría mal un video de la Guerra de Reforma. Una duda que me surgió es: ¿De donde generalmente sacas tus fuentes? tengo pensado hacer mapeado sobre ciertas eventos históricos mexicanos pero me es complicado encontrar información muchas veces
Es bueno ver que se aprecia el trabajo de uno :) Ciertamente planeo hacer otros videos, pero primero necesito hacer un poco mas de investigación. Y hablando de investigación, hablemos de fuentes. En este caso, mis fuentes están al final de video, y sobre el como las obtuve, se puede decir que uno de mis pasatiempos en recolectar artículos académicos y documentos históricos. Si lo que quieres es acceder a buenas fuentes sobre la historia de México, El Colegio de México es tu mejor opción. Así mismo es bueno consultar las facultades de historia de las universidades estatales y academias de historia españolas y estadounidenses, dependiendo el tópico que desees cubrir. Si quieres hablar mas a fondo sobre este tema, te invito a unirte a mi foro de Discord discord.gg/R3ENvmz. Saludos
Algun dia deberian de hacer un mapa como este, pero con toda la historia de Mexico, desde la epoca prehispanica (o anterior incluso) hasta la epoca actual, los que he visto en youtube son muy cortos y no estan completos
Esa seria una tarea titánica y siendo justos, la información relativa al actual territorio mexicano antes del siglo XV es sumamente escasa y a menudo contradictoria :(
9:20 La razón de cuando los independentistas logran esos grandes avances cuando hace tan solo un año atrás estaban al borde del colapsó, es simple, es porque justo en ese lapso de tiempo, sucedieron 3 eventos en la península: 1: Golpe de Estado por parte de los Liberales 2: Agustín de Iturbide, siendo de ideología conservadora, rechazo el nuevo gobierno Liberal y se cambia de bando. 3: El Nuevo Gobierno Liberal en la península cancela el envío de refuerzos masivos de la Gran Flota Naval hacia América y optando mas por el diálogo. Esos 3 factores, fueron los que justo les dio el respiro y el tiempo necesario para que los independentistas pudieran retomar fuerzas para tomar rápidamente los territorios centrales y vecer a las guarniciones españolas restantes que ya no recibian apoyo de la Península rápidamente en un solo año. Porque si, ese Golpe de Estado por parte de los Liberales en la Península fue la gota que derramo el vaso para que todo el Imperio Español en América se fuese a piqué.
Gracias por este video, me gusta la estrategia de usar 3 colores diferentes para las ocupaciones. Puede que lo use en mi siguiente video. De nuevo, muchas gracias.
Gran vídeo que sin duda merece más visualizaciones por todo el trabajo que hay tras el mismo, sin embargo no logro entender del todo la significación de los patrones de colores (ya que son usados de distinta forma a otros canales de “mapping”), supongo que determinan distintos grados de presencia y control (?).
Nope. In fact, there's no accurate account of those numbers, as a good number of those fighting for each side were either irregular troops or guerrilla fighters; so counting them was pretty much impossible back in 1816
@@AztlanHistorian primera pregunta: ¿Qué animales representan a los dioses Xiuhtecuhtli & Tonacatecutli respectivamente?? (Quetzalcóatl es una serpiernte y Huitzilopochtli con aguila)
@@diegoragot655 Nunca he tenido realmente interés en la mitología nahua, así que no soy experto en ella. Pero si quieres explorar ese tipo de temática puedes unirte a mi foro de Discord. El enlace esta en la descripción del vídeo.
@@AztlanHistorian y Segundo: ¿Harias un video sobre la fundación, construcción, poblamiento y la historia de los primeros 200 años de la Colonia de Buenos Aires?? (y tal vez Montevideo)
@@diegoragot655 Quizá algún día haga un vídeo sobre la Argentina colonial, pero aún tengo otros proyectos pendientes, así que esperemos algún tener la oportunidad de hacer algo sobre el tema :)
@@AztlanHistorianHello, is there any good readings regarding Morelos’s campaigns? More specifically why his siege of Acapulco was such a blunder for the war?
@@professionalgoob My main source for this video was a 19th century encyclopedia about Mexican history titled "Mexico a través de los siglos". The problem is that said material is only available in Spanish, and the same goes for most materials about the Mexican War of Independence. ¿Que tan bueno es tu español?
It's crazy to think that many of the fighters in this war were natives fighting for the liberation of their people, only to have the government they fought for turn around on them and forcefully destroy indigenous culture, turning a nation that was around 60-70% indigenous upon independence to less than 30% within 100 years...
Well, that would be inaccurate. 1. The natives weren't fighting for freedom, as many natives fought for the Spanish as well. Natives, as groups and as individuals, chose to back one side or the other based on their own interests, and let's say that pretty much no one thought of anything remotely close to "freedom" or "independence". Their interests were on average much less abstract and far more local. 2. The rebels weren't all fighting for freedom either, as many of the just wanted some political reform, but not independence. 3. Those who got independence were the rich criollos who wanted to make sure to preserve the colonial social system, which was about to be reformed by the new Spanish constitution; so they gave no damns about natives. 4. The liberals who wanted reform also thought, on average, that natives were too ""savage" to be citizens So yeah, the government that emerged from the War of Independence didn't have any interest in respecting the natives, so they didn't "turn around" on natives, the natives were screwed no matter who won that war :(
BTW, the brown part in Central America is british Belize or their protectorate Mosquito Coast(and a base for pirates), I am surprised that the british fur traders were not active in Oregon area yet..... BTW 2 - your upper right time counter jumps from 1815 to 1814 to 1815 - might want to check if you left your time machine running? [grin]
Answer to BTW1: The brown areas indicate foreign nations that aren't involved in the Spanish colonial conflicts, hence why the USA also turns brown at the of the video. The brown areas in Central America are two entities; the settlement of Belize and the Miskito Kingdom. While Belize was a British settlement (and is shown as such in the map), the Miskito Coast was de-facto independent from 1800 to 1843, between the expulsion of the Spaniards and the re-establishment of the British protectorate, which was abolished back in 1787. Also, traders from many nationalities, including Spaniards, French and Russians were active in the region, but they weren't any kind of government, so they aren't shown in the map. Answer to BTW2: I checked the original file, and there are no issues with the time counter, so maybe that's a glitch from RUclips itself
@@AztlanHistorian sorry, i missed that in Calif/oregon at the end, my bad. As for time stamp, i looked again and did not see it the error - maybe i should see an eye doctor?
@@tommy-er6hh I also saw some errors when I first checked the video after uploading it. It seems those are occasional glitches from RUclips itself, so don't mind them.
Eso sería incorrecto. Si bien es cierto que hubo mucha menos violencia en la etapa de consumación que en las anteriores, lo cierto que es que no se trato de firmar un documento y ya. No fue "pacifico", ya que hubo que hacer valer lo acordado en Cordoba a lo largo y ancho del territorio... y eso se hizo con las armas. Saludos
@@AztlanHistorian Así mismo, error mío al no incluir las palabras adecuadas. Pero lo cierto que si que fue mucho más pacifico con respecto a la anterior fase.
It was part of a corsair expedition authorized by the nascent River Plate government, as a way to wreak havoc on Spain's economy to further weaken it. The expedition was a pretty eventful one and they not only attacked California. For a general overview of it, you can read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bouchard#California_and_Central_America Greetings
the natives had any presence in this war? i mean, there were any movement lead by them?
Yes, the Coyuxquihui, Tantoyuca and Totonicapan rebellions (among others), that took place during this war, were carried out by native peoples, like the Huastecs, Totonacs and K'iche'.
Also, many people in the armies of Guerrero, Ascencio, Rayón, Magos, León and Hermosillo were natives, including Mixtecs, Pames, Jonaces, Nahuas and Coras.
@@AztlanHistorian wow, thanks. could you recommend me some books about the native resistance to the spaniards after the fall of Tenochtitlan?
@@hueytlahtoani1304 Maybe "Visión de los Vencidos" by Miguel Leon-Portilla could be a good start; but let me warn you, there are very few materials on native resistance in early New Spain, as most chroniclers focused on the campaigns that were being fought in other parts of the new realm against the then-unconquered Purepecha, the Mixtec and other native nations.
@@AztlanHistorian thank you!
@@AztlanHistorian actually around the time of the war of independence 80% spoke native languages. It can be argued that assimilation was far worse under independent Mexico.
This is extremely impressive! Amazing work.
Thanks for the compliment. I'm also a fan of your work!
Thoroughly impressed by your work aswell. I hope this video makes the playlist so aztlan can get some more attention :)
It's excellent that you differentiated the territories where there was actual control from the huge territories most maps incorrectly claim there was
I really like to make my maps as accurate as possible :) Greetings!
Amazing video! This is the first thing of its kind (fluid territorial change video) about Mexico in any era! Amazing job again
Sadly, there are very few animated map videos about Mexico on RUclips :(
Awesome! Great to have you back!
It's good to be back :)
finally a serious, professional, latinamerican mapper. You have my respects.
Thanks for the compliment!
Great thing Mexico took a chunk out of the victory for a while to think of a alternate timeline where they would keep California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas, And Calorado
There were many factors that led to the loss of the north; although the explanation of the many elements behind the outcome of the War of 1847 would require a video of their own.
El nivel de detalle que tiene este video es impresionante, de los pocos que hay este es el mas detallado que hay
Maravilloso trabajo!! Espero continúes haciendo videos de este tipo relacionados a la historia territorial mexicana, no vendría mal un video de la Guerra de Reforma.
Una duda que me surgió es: ¿De donde generalmente sacas tus fuentes? tengo pensado hacer mapeado sobre ciertas eventos históricos mexicanos pero me es complicado encontrar información muchas veces
Es bueno ver que se aprecia el trabajo de uno :)
Ciertamente planeo hacer otros videos, pero primero necesito hacer un poco mas de investigación.
Y hablando de investigación, hablemos de fuentes. En este caso, mis fuentes están al final de video, y sobre el como las obtuve, se puede decir que uno de mis pasatiempos en recolectar artículos académicos y documentos históricos. Si lo que quieres es acceder a buenas fuentes sobre la historia de México, El Colegio de México es tu mejor opción.
Así mismo es bueno consultar las facultades de historia de las universidades estatales y academias de historia españolas y estadounidenses, dependiendo el tópico que desees cubrir.
Si quieres hablar mas a fondo sobre este tema, te invito a unirte a mi foro de Discord discord.gg/R3ENvmz. Saludos
Viva México.🇲🇽
Very detailed! You even included some of the land that the United States had gotten during the war, this is fabulous!
It wasn't easy, but it had to be done. Greetings
Algun dia deberian de hacer un mapa como este, pero con toda la historia de Mexico, desde la epoca prehispanica (o anterior incluso) hasta la epoca actual, los que he visto en youtube son muy cortos y no estan completos
Esa seria una tarea titánica y siendo justos, la información relativa al actual territorio mexicano antes del siglo XV es sumamente escasa y a menudo contradictoria :(
Ya existe
@@hispalismapping155 donde lo veo??
@@omarramirez610 HGIS Las Indias por ejemplo tiene todos los cambios territoriales y provincias desde creo el siglo XVIII o antes.
@@omarramirez610Anwoo mapping
Professionally made sir!
Glad you liked the video
This is awesome!
It was worth the effort :)
9:20
La razón de cuando los independentistas logran esos grandes avances cuando hace tan solo un año atrás estaban al borde del colapsó, es simple, es porque justo en ese lapso de tiempo, sucedieron 3 eventos en la península:
1: Golpe de Estado por parte de los Liberales
2: Agustín de Iturbide, siendo de ideología conservadora, rechazo el nuevo gobierno Liberal y se cambia de bando.
3: El Nuevo Gobierno Liberal en la península cancela el envío de refuerzos masivos de la Gran Flota Naval hacia América y optando mas por el diálogo.
Esos 3 factores, fueron los que justo les dio el respiro y el tiempo necesario para que los independentistas pudieran retomar fuerzas para tomar rápidamente los territorios centrales y vecer a las guarniciones españolas restantes que ya no recibian apoyo de la Península rápidamente en un solo año.
Porque si, ese Golpe de Estado por parte de los Liberales en la Península fue la gota que derramo el vaso para que todo el Imperio Español en América se fuese a piqué.
Welcome back!
Thank you
Qué rifado. Gran video
Muchas gracias. ¡Saludos!
Gracias por este video, me gusta la estrategia de usar 3 colores diferentes para las ocupaciones. Puede que lo use en mi siguiente video. De nuevo, muchas gracias.
Gracias por el cumplido. Suerte con vuestros mapas
This is epic. Thank you for this video.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
👍 good video
Thanks for the compliment
This video has many informations and so good
Thanks for the compliment!
Gran vídeo que sin duda merece más visualizaciones por todo el trabajo que hay tras el mismo, sin embargo no logro entender del todo la significación de los patrones de colores (ya que son usados de distinta forma a otros canales de “mapping”), supongo que determinan distintos grados de presencia y control (?).
Saludos. El video incluye acotaciones explicando el uso de los colores en la parte inferior derecha.
¿Cuál es la naturaleza de vuestra confusion?
underrated video
España empezo a ganar, hasta que dejo de hacerlo
Spain was winning, until it wasn't.
The Miskitu Kingdom was really stable for a long time, and now its divided into two autonomous regions.
1:51 a wild Russia appears!
Que hace Rusia ahí? No la veo en el mapa
Mira a California y notaras un minúsculo cambio en ese periodo. Es la creación de Fort Ross
I love Mexico from Australia!
🇦🇺💖🇲🇽
Thanks
Do you have any troop numbers for both sides (specifically around 1816)?
Nope. In fact, there's no accurate account of those numbers, as a good number of those fighting for each side were either irregular troops or guerrilla fighters; so counting them was pretty much impossible back in 1816
Yo solo estaba esperando a que fuera 1821 🇲🇽❤️
pretty good
Glad you liked it!
Saludos, tengo dos preguntas!!
¿Cuales?
@@AztlanHistorian primera pregunta: ¿Qué animales representan a los dioses Xiuhtecuhtli & Tonacatecutli respectivamente?? (Quetzalcóatl es una serpiernte y Huitzilopochtli con aguila)
@@diegoragot655 Nunca he tenido realmente interés en la mitología nahua, así que no soy experto en ella.
Pero si quieres explorar ese tipo de temática puedes unirte a mi foro de Discord. El enlace esta en la descripción del vídeo.
@@AztlanHistorian y Segundo: ¿Harias un video sobre la fundación, construcción, poblamiento y la historia de los primeros 200 años de la Colonia de Buenos Aires?? (y tal vez Montevideo)
@@diegoragot655 Quizá algún día haga un vídeo sobre la Argentina colonial, pero aún tengo otros proyectos pendientes, así que esperemos algún tener la oportunidad de hacer algo sobre el tema :)
1:51Russia?
@@helloman1051 Not at all. Russia established a colony in northern California during this war, and that event is shown in the map.
@@AztlanHistorian I don't see it
what base maps did you use?
I made them myself
Increíble como Morelos logro resucitar aquello que ya parecía condenado al fracaso. Y con menos tropas que Hidalgo.
Hidalgo tenía mas gente... pero Morelos era mucho mejor estratega, aunque su obsesión con tomar Acapulco fue esencialmente su perdición.
Saludos
@@AztlanHistorianHello, is there any good readings regarding Morelos’s campaigns? More specifically why his siege of Acapulco was such a blunder for the war?
@@professionalgoob My main source for this video was a 19th century encyclopedia about Mexican history titled "Mexico a través de los siglos". The problem is that said material is only available in Spanish, and the same goes for most materials about the Mexican War of Independence.
¿Que tan bueno es tu español?
Exemplary work!
Thanks for your praise, my friend
Se me facilita más aprender con mapas la historia de mi país
Ciertamente son una herramienta maravillosa
It's crazy to think that many of the fighters in this war were natives fighting for the liberation of their people, only to have the government they fought for turn around on them and forcefully destroy indigenous culture, turning a nation that was around 60-70% indigenous upon independence to less than 30% within 100 years...
Well, that would be inaccurate.
1. The natives weren't fighting for freedom, as many natives fought for the Spanish as well. Natives, as groups and as individuals, chose to back one side or the other based on their own interests, and let's say that pretty much no one thought of anything remotely close to "freedom" or "independence". Their interests were on average much less abstract and far more local.
2. The rebels weren't all fighting for freedom either, as many of the just wanted some political reform, but not independence.
3. Those who got independence were the rich criollos who wanted to make sure to preserve the colonial social system, which was about to be reformed by the new Spanish constitution; so they gave no damns about natives.
4. The liberals who wanted reform also thought, on average, that natives were too ""savage" to be citizens
So yeah, the government that emerged from the War of Independence didn't have any interest in respecting the natives, so they didn't "turn around" on natives, the natives were screwed no matter who won that war :(
@@batallasdeshorts4149 The creator already replied like a year ago but thanks regardless
fua que god
Muy bíen
Gracias compañero
Where is the Russian presence?
BTW, the brown part in Central America is british Belize or their protectorate Mosquito Coast(and a base for pirates), I am surprised that the british fur traders were not active in Oregon area yet.....
BTW 2 - your upper right time counter jumps from 1815 to 1814 to 1815 - might want to check if you left your time machine running? [grin]
Answer to BTW1: The brown areas indicate foreign nations that aren't involved in the Spanish colonial conflicts, hence why the USA also turns brown at the of the video.
The brown areas in Central America are two entities; the settlement of Belize and the Miskito Kingdom. While Belize was a British settlement (and is shown as such in the map), the Miskito Coast was de-facto independent from 1800 to 1843, between the expulsion of the Spaniards and the re-establishment of the British protectorate, which was abolished back in 1787.
Also, traders from many nationalities, including Spaniards, French and Russians were active in the region, but they weren't any kind of government, so they aren't shown in the map.
Answer to BTW2: I checked the original file, and there are no issues with the time counter, so maybe that's a glitch from RUclips itself
@TheGhostHero Look at California
@@AztlanHistorian sorry, i missed that in Calif/oregon at the end, my bad.
As for time stamp, i looked again and did not see it the error - maybe i should see an eye doctor?
@@tommy-er6hh I also saw some errors when I first checked the video after uploading it. It seems those are occasional glitches from RUclips itself, so don't mind them.
Es necesario recalcar que la última fase de la guerra se ganó se forma mucho más pacífica.
Eso sería incorrecto.
Si bien es cierto que hubo mucha menos violencia en la etapa de consumación que en las anteriores, lo cierto que es que no se trato de firmar un documento y ya. No fue "pacifico", ya que hubo que hacer valer lo acordado en Cordoba a lo largo y ancho del territorio... y eso se hizo con las armas.
Saludos
@@AztlanHistorian Así mismo, error mío al no incluir las palabras adecuadas.
Pero lo cierto que si que fue mucho más pacifico con respecto a la anterior fase.
'Sup
Heya
What was Rio de La Plata doing in Mexico?
It was part of a corsair expedition authorized by the nascent River Plate government, as a way to wreak havoc on Spain's economy to further weaken it.
The expedition was a pretty eventful one and they not only attacked California. For a general overview of it, you can read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bouchard#California_and_Central_America
Greetings
@@AztlanHistorian Interesting, thanks
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