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Responding to Mohammed Hijab's Views on "The Wife Beating Verse"
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2018
- This is an exmuslim responding to the video to "The "Wife Beating" verse explained" by Mohammed Hijab, where he defends Quran 4:34 which allows a husband to beat his wife if he fears "nushooz" (rebellion, arrogance)
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A man has to defend himself against beating his wife. Makes perfect Quranic sense
Paul Singh The whole point was that he can strike back in self defense dumbass0
@Mohan Brishnev No... she can?
@Mohan Brishnev no. Stop trying to be funny by saying 'beat', you are not allowed to beat women. Men are the dominant in the relationship, the protector, thats pretty much everyones ideology.
If a father mistreats his son, does the son have the right to hit his father? Why not?
If a mother mistreats her daughter, does the daughter have the right to hit her mother? Why not?
If a teacher mistreats his student, does the student have the right to hit his teacher? Why not?
If a commander mistreats a soldier, does the soldier have the right to hit his commander? Why not?
The answer in all the above cases is: No, and the reason for this is clear. It is because the father’s position is higher than that of his son, the mother’s position is higher than that of her daughter, and the teacher’s position is higher than that of the student. Hence it is not appropriate for the people in the lower position to punish those whose position is higher. The same applies to husband and wife: the husband is in charge of his wife.
So no, and if you have a problem with the Husband seen as in charge, then go fight christianity aswell, since they also believe that the wife has to submit to the husband. Bye.
@Mohan Brishnev You missed the point. And tell me what is meant by 'beating' and under what condition? Exactly. And the analogies is reffering to discipling a person of higher status, not literally beating. Yes man and woman are created equal man judt has a higher role in the relationship, being the protector.
@Mohan Brishnev I wasnt saying its right, Im saying if you have a problem with that, then argue that with the rest of the world aswell. Ive never seen a normal relationship where the man isnt the higher role ie. The protector
It’s called the fallacy of presentism? If I see any women putting her child in grave danger I would personally intervene, it has nothing to do with being a husband or not.
Be careful! Laying a hand on a woman under ANY circumstance allows her to accuse you of assault in English law. And you would be presumed guilty unless you can prove otherwise. Yes, that's English law, too. And a woman who abuses her own child will not think twice about doing that.
he's just making an appeal to tradition in that case lol
Back in the day beating children up was actually a widely accepted way of education. Is it a fallacy of presentism to judge a woman who hurt the child even though by 7th century standards, she did nothing out of the norm?
@@dumpsterDeity yes sometimes you hit the kid so the kid learn but they said *abusing* her kid which is very deffrent to just hit of
They mean that the women would burn hit cut and starve the kid
poor kid would have a lot of bruises in his body
exactly !!! .... *with your 1st argument "Islam is supposed to be for ALL TIME" you already destroyed that clown M. Hijab*
Yeah, Hijab really undoes himself in the opening with that. Case closed.
@@FaisalAbidi right
@@FaisalAbidi no, you don't understand the fallacy. The fallacy is that you can't say morals of the past are wrong just because we have different morals in today's society.
@@suf1an658 if that's the case, then you are already acknowledging the fact that morality of Islam is outdated and it's incompatible with modern day morals
@@suf1an658 morality is objective in their eyes of religions😀 how can something be justified back then but not now if it's written in religious books
When someone’s beard🧔 is thicker than his brain 🧠
Yes hahahahha funny but true
That is why muslims must have beards - no brain, but at least a beard.
Ad hominem attack
HA!
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My mother was beaten regularly for silly reasons but she never complained as it was Allah's will, I broke his jaw one day especially the day he walked in with wife number too.
Wow.
good work where are you from??? is it in Pakistan
good work where are you from??? is it in Pakistan
@Sick News;
10 years ago, two islamic men (and a bunch of other people) were visiting my sister, one of those islamic men started to -jump- hump my sisters legg as if he was a horny dog. I threw him down the stairs (4 meters down) and kicked him down the street. Piece of filth that one was, nobody touches my sister, or any other women for that matter; I would also kick any dude if I see him touching an islamic lady without her permission.
Women exist so they can be loved by honerable men, period....
Father was Pakistani, mother Gujrati lived in Pakistan and UK.
This level of mental gymnastics has turned what might have been a reasonable man into a potentially dangerous man. Study how he over analyzed a pretty straight forward verse and tries to rationalize it. This is a first hand look into the mind of a modern apologist. Scary, sickening, and fascinating
Funny the fact you disapprove someone's idea and the next thing is that person is dangerous. What's scary about him? Did he directly threaten you or something? I am pretty sure he doesn't even know you and even with that, he wishes you good. But you directly insult without fully knowing him and you are being full of hate. If there is someone dangerous, it would be you. I am nor surprised just by the way you speak, you are atheist. Atheist have no moral codes and dream of a world where only atheists exist and wishes the destruction of all religions or any other people who disagree with them
You should see him at speakers corner challenging people ( non Muslims ) to a MMA match for "charity". Funnily enough these people tend to be beating Muslim debaters, weirdest coincidence.
Where are your proofs? Who are these people? Are you inventing them? If you make a claim, please bring proofs or else say nothing and do research
Akib Sirkhan
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Akib Sirkhan dude if you have not seen hijab challenging people for an MMA match then you have not seen enough of his videos. He does that quite often.
This apologist is _so deluded_ , it *physically* hurts my brain.
Mohammed Hijab spoke quite a lot of 'big English' but didn't really say much! 😁😁😁😁
He does this regularly. It is his M/O.
By his logic pedophilia is moral
Caroline Bee he cannot say anything.
It is indefensible.
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Hypocrisy written all over the man.
Its sad that in the year 2018 we still have to convince certain people that striking a women is wrong, that dealing problems with violence is wrong. Whats sad is people will go to all lengths to defend these barbaric acts because their “holy” books allow it. This proves religion can actually make people IMMORAL. If these people viewed these books as the word of mere man Im sure they would have enough common sense to differentiate right from wrong.
Perhaps even more scarier is that they think they are in the right. That they do not stop to second guess if their behavior is actually appropriate, good etc.
Khan Barmazid You've played yourself. That is satiricing the idea that punching is okay ever to anyone, which itself pays homeage to many of the traditionalist views when in fact punching anyone is an act of a coward. All the more evident is if you go and read this video's linked content, not only will Muslims justify it seriously but some even go so far to glorify it. At the very least the Western satirizers know they are playing a caricature, the Eastern practioners are dead serious. It should scare you as much as it scares me, but in the event it does not scare you we can all but wonder why.
There is a reason that EU scolded many of the developing Eastern nations for having many times higher rates of sexual and spousal abuse after which places like Iran made it quietly illegal for researchers to collect data. No data, no problem, politically at least. Topping on the cake is that even though few forms of violence has increased in Western nations due to increased public social awareness in reporting, overall the rates have been declining, while in many of these Eastern nations there has been little development in the rates. To be fair, recent decades have showed slight decrease overall so one can be hopeful.
Empiricism is tough, but it is extremely effective.
It’s very sad...😓
@@tarikhinfo the mental gymnastics you have to go through to protect your Quran is amazing. You have the same disease as the interviewed guy.
Jenkkimie they think they are right is because in their mind they think they have the stamped of God so whatever I do, I’ll go to heaven
Those islamic apologists make me realy sick.
Couldn't agree more.
No it's you who is ignorant
My sentiments exactly
Yes its not a good look
1 minute in and I know the guy is an idiot. And he is like one of the best muslims. Imagine the average muslims.
He is right! He definitely needs to defend when his 'four' wives gang upon him.
😂😂
@Benjamin J Park he is not india ,he is from india😂
One of the many reasons why I left Islam. I can’t support an ideology(Islam) that supports, promotes and tries to justify my oppression. To say that Quran is oppressive towards women would be an understatement.
i left it because qura says there is not a single thing is wrong in quran but i found out many things are wrong
so it is not word of god
and lot of verses sounds like mohammad full filing his personal needs
Notice that this Hijab guy is throwing in references from the Bible to subtly suggest that other scriptures also have these things.
Also, he is confusing self defense with wife beating.
Well duh, Bible, Torah, Qur'aan stem from the Abrahamic faiths. Same Prophets, same laws, similar stories.
Thicko.
Brain Freeze God says this in the Qur'aan regarding the Torah being tampered with.
Gospel isn't even original scripture. We consider Jesus to have the original Injeel with him when he ascended directly into Heaven. We await his 2nd coming.
Don't be so negative and cynical. I don't want you doing self-harm.
We are all Humans capable of Good and Evil actions. It's not that deep.
bouncer786
Oh it gets deep all right! No need to pretend otherwise and act like your moon god loves everyone. Here are a few peaceful tidbits from the Koran. Surely they are mistranslated here and mean exactly the opposite. If only I were not a kaffir and could understand the inherent loveliness of these verses (my kaffir brain is just defective and you know how it goes . . . Allah calls whom he pleases):
Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron
Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise
Quran (56:92-94) - But if he is of the rejecters, the erring, then the welcome will be boiling water and roasting at hell-fire
As to what regard Muslims are to show for those who don't believe, the Quran says to be ruthless toward them, since they are going to Hell anyway:
Quran (9:73) - O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination
Quran (66:9) - O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end.
Brain Freeze lol you hate the fact that God is talking about people like you in the Qur'an.
The criminals, God rejecters, pagans, bad deeded peoples know whats up after death.
That's why people like Sameer have a mental block. Wake up every morning with Islam on their mind.
Miserable, poor demeanour, anger and sorrow.
The power of the Qur'an. Right in the feels.
Sounds like you lot are definitely enlightened 😂
bouncer786
I only reject that vicious moon god of yours, Allah, Mohammed’s sidekick who admitted that he, Allah is the greatest of deceivers.
I reject violence, supremacy, hatred, intolerance and cruelty: I reject Islam. We agree on that.
I will now leave you, Muslim man, to figure out what to do about this awfulness. You can always leave Islam here in the West. No one will carry out the Islamic law and kill you for apostasy here.
And there is no verse for women in their self defense to beat up their husbands?!?
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Not Q exactly it speaks for men, to men
Exactly my point and all he rants and rants is how man can beat his wife yet women should start reconciliation. Hijab or whatever his name is is a stupid dull idiot without any element of intelligence. And he has many followers 🤦 says a bunch about his followers.
Shaheera Eram
Even worse than that: the word نشوز is used twice:
1) 4:34 -> if a woman does it, the man can beat her.
2) 4;128 -> if a man does it, the two CAN seek an agreement.
Note that this verse was revealed because Mohammad wanted to divorce Sauda (she was getting old and no longer beautiful), therefore she and Aisha came up with a solution: stay married to him (so that she would not end up homeless), but give up her day to Aisha, i.e. no sex with him, and the money she had the right to went to her
(remember wife are a sort of “employee “ to he husband, that’s why she “gets paid”).
sunnah.com/search/?q=4%3A128
I think whoever writes quran either the writer is SO GAY or the writer have BAD EXPERIENCE with GURL 😅😅😅
Stark contrast to Christianity: “Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it.” That’s self sacrificing love.
Yeah. Please do tell me what the Bible says about three procedure when a man raped a woman? Oh yeah, he gets to marry her after paying her father.
All religions are made up and fake, stop your grifting
Zero. 0 Man’s ways do not glorify God.
Tomo Lika try reading the Gospel of John. Also a good read is Seeking Allah Finding Jesus: Nabeel Qureshi
Dear Sameer, your remark at 1:00 was precisely what I thought when Hijab began pontificating about ancient versus present times. Indeed, during my seven years in an Islamic seminary studying 'Ilm-e-Deen, an essential lesson was learned regarding the thirteen Attributes of God: namely, the Positive Attributes (Life, Knowledge, Will, Power, Speech, and Hearing) are subject to the Negative Attributes (Existence, Oneness, Divine Alterity, Eternity [No Beginning], and Eternity [No Ending]).
As the Qur'an is the Manifestation of Divine SPEECH (a Positive Attribute), it must be subject to the ETERNITY of God, namely the Divine Speech has NO BEGINNING and NO ENDING. Thus, the Qur'an should be TIMELESSLY applicable to all times.
Yet, why then does the Doctrine of Abrogation (an-Naskh) exist?! Indeed, why would three distinct legal post-Revelation rulings need to be developed to:
1. Abrogate the legal ruling of a Verse, but not its wording (An-naskh al-hukm dūna at-tilāwa)?; and/or
2. Abrogate the wording of a Verse, but not its legal ruling (An-naskh at-tilāwa dūna al-hukm)?; and/or
3. Abrogate the legal ruling AND the wording of a Verse (An-naskh al-hukm wa-'t-tilāwa)?
(refer to the excellent work of John Burton, The Sources of Islamic Law: Islamic Theories of Abrogation (1990) Edinburgh University Press).
Given that early Islamic theologians could not even agree on the number of abrogated Verses (e.g. Imam Shah Wali Allah [5 Verses], Imam as-Suyuti [21 Verses], etc.), it is small wonder 'modern' Islamic theologians relegate this issue to the God of the Gaps, dismissing honest questions with the typical witless response, "Only Allah Knows".
I mean, I asked this very same question to one of the most famous Sunni theologians presently alive (Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad):
Eternal and Infinite Speech and Abrogation
Posted on November 27, 2017 by Shaykh Gibril Fouad Haddad
Question:
If the Positive Attributes of Allah (namely, Speech and Knowledge) are subject to the Negative Attributes
(namely, Eternity [No Beginning; No End]), how can doctrinal ‘naskh‘ validly abrogate (etc.) the Eternal -
therefore, unchangeable - Divine Speech?
Answer:
It is Allah Who abrogates.
Hajj Gibril Haddad
eshaykh.com/doctrine/eternal-and-infinite-speech-and-abrogation/
So, either
1. the Qur'an is the Eternal Speech of God, an "Uncreated" Text, is applicable to every time and place (so much for daylight fasting in Antartica...), and is unaltered and perfect (thought which wife beating may persist ad infinitum), or
2. the Qur'an is a temporal, created text, subject to linguistic ambiguity and errors (etc.), capable of being nibbled upon and erased from history by humble two-toed ruminants, of having the "new Muslim" category of Zakat being voted out of existence by 'Umar bin al-Khattab, of being read largely subject to Surah at-Tawbah (9:5), etc. etc. etc.
Indeed, if point 2. prevails, wife beating could have been abolished at any time in the last 1,000+ years -- not to mention slavery!
Hijab is full of twisted sophistry. It's embarrassing.
Hijab is only trying to cover his deep embarrasement over his provet.
Naked women is embarrassing 😂😂😂
@@AdityaSingh-dp8qk Wut???
benbisley be careful his a MMA fighter. He might want to challenge you to a fight...
Since when did Mohammed Hijab become the Scholar of the Century to interpret this verse. Abduallah Sameer, good job for exposing the false interpretation of this verse. Neither did this person live in 7th century or has the mind of understanding those values for that time as our present human minds have evolved from domestic violence and I hope these people like Mohammed hijab have evolved as well.Only reason Mo Hijab is defending this verse is because he believes this is from the Creator of the Universe. How Gullible he is that its so obvious that a man would only hit a woman for his own control and power.
Hijab guy is using the same tactics as Dedaat and the clown Zakir Naik. talk fast, a wall of words so that you dont get any time to think or reflect
Muslims are changing the words of Allah to save Islam.
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Nope
Yup. They are 😂
This is funny 😂 😂 I didn’t know Muslim women were so aggressive that these men needs to defend themselves from their women. My stomach is in pain with laughter.
I wonder how many time his wife beat him??
Sayeda Ahmed hey Muslim Arab women are aggressive. That is why the Arab men began oppressing them with niquabs and all those modesty rules. Think about it. Mo’s wife Kadija was a boss, a business owner who managed at 45 , to get toy boy Mo to marry her. She was after young men and probably made Moe have sex with her. Moe probably had to beat her back. Also remember the Nabitians were Matriarchal. As a woman, even I do not get into fights with my Arab women friends. In the surface they are nice but under the burka they are alley cats waiting for a fight which they always win thru aggressive behaviour
All dogs Go To Heaven rofl 🤣
Every night I guess 😂
@Yeshua is Lord. booohooohooo 20 year age difference? karma is a bitch .
@Yeshua is Lord.
She is taking advantage of your father being a good person and not willing to hurt
Yes! The wife beating verse if about defending himself and “kill the infidel does not mean that.” It surely means “love your neighbor.”
OMG! The logic of the Islamic religion!
Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them right bro?
bouncer786
Yup! Surah 9:5 if I am not mistaken. Sometimes, with so much awfulness, it is hard to keep all the verses straight.
My favorite is 9:111. “Sake and be slain for the sake of Allah, because of the bargain that you made of paradise in exchange for your person and property.”
Sickening!
Mohammed is Voldemort Both Violent and Supremacist!
Open your Talmud.
bouncer786 What is the tallmude? Is that the Hadith?
Wow! Cant believe how narrow minded these people are. Do some research instead following everything you see on the internet for once
Did he just say at 11.35 that "women have certain rights over men, e.g. motherhood"??? No shit... so men are excluded from the concept of "mother"hood?? Hmm..
Periods. Monthly debilitating cramps, men are left out of those too.
@dumpsterDeity Hijab is secretly into mpreg 😂
I'm an ex Muslim born in UK England to a white British woman and Indian Muslim father . My mum died when I was 3 this changed my life as my father and his first Indian wife bought myself and my brother up . That's short version . While growing up I was sexually abused on the basis that I was the white woman's child . This was from the age of 5 to the time my father took me to India I was 13 by 14 I was married off to my uncles son he was 18/19 . I had no choice in this arrangement and gave in out of respect for my father and his name . I came back to UK 7 months pregnant gave birth when I was 15 exactly 9 months after my marriage . I never understood the ramifications till much much later but remember how heart broken I was when my first child was given the title illegitimate . I couldn't understand why they did this . I did 7 years later though when I understood that by UK law I wasn't old enough to be married and back then that's how they registered children born out of wedlock . In that 7 years I was beaten whipped and endured martial rape . When I ask my father to help he couldn't because Islam compled him not to interfere yet we lived in his house . Well I came away after seven years and that cost me alot . I had the marriage annulled and court have me full custody of our three daughters with rights for him to see them and have them weekend s. I beg the courts not to allow this as he would run with them . First chance he got he kidnapped them and never returned them . My own father helped with this and so my children were took because I couldn't cope with the beatings I got . His running joke was if I didn't beat her at least one time in a month she would be wild . I lost everything including my children . Much later on he was ready to free me Islamically and said he would free me if I forgive him my dowery . Yes emotional blackmail added to the offences . So this guy here is saying that it's not in Koran to beat wife till she submits or I woman can take him to imams or whoever and they'll do a case himmm yes what's changed since the 80s nothing I see just going round in circles trying to sound like women have rights . I was 21 when I came out of that abuse but even now at 53 the trauma and its effects have left an imprint on me that has impacted my life on a huge basis . After 35 years I met family again last year in India lived without any help whatsoever and now I'm getting oh why did you leave Islam . I've been a Christian by choice for past 19 years . It's only place I found peace and understanding. So please don't twist what Koran says to fit in your mould . Thank you Abdullah Sameer Bless you for standing up and bringing forth truth of Islam and its origins .
YOu are so brave!
Please tell me the chidlren are safe and sound with you and NOT in that Islamic cult!
Zarina are your daughters with you now Zarina you should have reported to the Indian police and the Indian court.here the courts in india favour women and people in india are coming to know about the true nature of Islam as well
I am so sorry this happened I hope you and your children will be able to live peacefully from now onwards ❤️
@@rowenaravenclaw3483No my children were never returned back in 80s extradition wasn't a thing . Now laws protect children to a point . They too went on to be abused . They grew up being referred to as the prostitutes children. They too went through arranged marriages and domestic abuse . I've done alot to break the cycle of abuse in my father's family . I took my cousins who started the abuse to court here in UK .
@@hausiji11hausiji11never returned and we're brain washed alongside experiencing the horrors I did . I was even asked by my 2nd eldest why I left them with the monsters . They were even told I'd died .
Good video, Abdullah. I would also add that judging pre-modern societies by today's standards maybe anachronistic but it doesn't mean they are of equal value. If someone today rejects Islam because they believe hitting women is wrong they are doing it from their moral stand point. It is Islam that has the burden of proof to demonstrate beyond all reasonable doubt that its moral standards are correct. If it cannot do that then setting such an excessive punishment for disbelief becomes utterly untenable.
Not only that! Morality is objective ...Is one thing immoral which is related to our conscious state, and another "morally wrong" which is objective.
Thor Nado Yep you right man you have a valid point too.
it means Mohammad not a prophet he should have the best standart moral if he really2 the man from God.
@@socratesson4320 morality is indeed subjective, because of the concept of good and bad. the general consensus is that good is what increases well being, but that it is a subjective idea
@@socratesson4320 morals are subjective not objective in Liberal secular society
Hijab lies ... and he knows it himself..
Agree
Judas Priest How are you Rob, how's your health?
OMG his face when he said “ to defend himself “ ..I bet he was laughing at what he just said ..if only anyone else cud bend and twist things as good as he cud as per his need ..
Hes trying so hard to talk around it! Giving so many "Circumstances". Like NO ! your Quran straight up says says you are allowed to beat your wife!!!
assuming for the sake of argument that mohammed hijab is right (and he isnt) that this verse gives instructions for self defense and not wife beating. then you have to concede that Allah has done a poor job in communicating this message. wouldnt an all wise being have anticipated that some people would have misinterpreted this verse into something else that it isnt. could god add some sort of parenthesis to explain that better? there is not ambiguity with this verse. its clear what god has instructed. i think it is mohammed hijab that is imposing his own 21st century ideas if he believes this means otherwise.
Jennai Shirow well Allah needed a better messenger boy than Mohammed his supposed chosen one.
So it is Allah's fault that people are using and twisting these verses to conform to their desires? Don't be ridiculous. The Quran tells us explicitly to go to the scholars when wanting to understand ambiguous verses.
The problem here is that this verse isnt ambigious. It very clearly says strike them. If rebellious meant self defense then it can easily be stated.
I don't speak Arabic, but I'm guessing that "Mohammed Hijab" means "disingenuous arsehole".
No.
I know. I was being sarcastic! 😉
Then learn to speak Arabic first. Attack the statements, not the man or his ethnicity. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion.
@@sudhak5057
You're absolutely right.
But, likewise, I have the right to disagree with, and be sarcastic about, those opinions.
Which, in the case of Mohammed Hijab, are inextricably linked to who he is and everything he claims to stand for.
As a result it's impossible to be sarcastic about his statements without also mocking him and his ideology because, by his own choice, he's made them one and the same.
@@PointlessSillyName His ideologies are not his own. An erstwhile unapologetic Islam is now trying to explain itself to non-Muslims because its very survival depends on it. Fighting for survival is a fundamental right. By making fun of a person, you tend to weaken your stance by creating sympathy for your target.
Some Muslim guy, not from India, made fun of my name. That was not fair. I see posts making fun of Prophet Mohammad's and Allah names. That is not fair either.
Mudlims make fun of non-Muslim ideologies because they cannot think beyond Islam and Quran. So you too can make fun of their ideologies. But dont fall to their level by making personal attacks on the names of Allah, Prophet Mohammad or the person whose post you are responding to. That is so immature!
I am a former Muslim but due to my circumstances, and the family I come from, I have to wait till my education is complete to be able to disclose to my parents how I really feel.
And I must say, every time I hear a news about one of my super conservative relatives being pregnant I hope to "God" (old habits die harder than you think 😅) that it isn't a girl.
Such a fucked up religion.
This dude, Hijab, left his brain at home then came to the Deen Show.
hahaha.... this man is making fun of himself. His mind has been totally hijacked.
What's funny about it? Did you at least understand what he said. Instead of writing a stupid sentence, elaborate more on why he is wrong. For now, you are just a pretentious person who is full of hate and acts with no brain with its stupid sentence
Akib Sirkhan the funny thing is how the bigots try to totally overturn the meaning of words of the holy book. In this case the word “daraba”. Which all the translators translate to “strike”. Funny is how different apologists come how with totally different explications. Some say beating is permissible but it shout not bruise her. Some say that it should be like beating with a miswaakh ( in other words very very light). Now this man has opened a whole new dimension by saying that it means “self defence in case wife tries to strike a man”.Thats why its funny dear
Quran is the final word of God for muslims from which muslims should derive morals. But what todays apologists do is try to mould the meaning of the verses so that the meaning of the verse is coherent with the commonly accepted morals.
He meant self-defense by the fact that if a wife keeps continuing "to attack" with lack of respect towards the husband, the husband could "defend" himself to obtain more respect. It is not a physical attack or defence. It is pretty clear to me. Simple explanation. I wrote a good explanation in another comment if you are willing to understand more
Just one question, does or doesn’t the verse say that men can strike their wife (as a final option of course) ???
Poor performance by Mohammed Hijab, I thought he was smarter than this. He gets completely lost in his own crazy reasoning.
Be careful I wouldn't want him to beat you!
he is influenced by Zakir Naik?
they are all like that. and this Hijab guys is suppose to be one of the best muslims. Imagine the average muslim.
Bc there is no reason what so ever too believe in islam
He said they believe this is what it meant but it is not what their sewage book and modmad dictate or ask them to do. He is trying to deny a fact that is why he can't as can see from his garbage explanation.
A brilliant argument at the start.
The quarran a book for all times.....but you can't use today's values, ideas , ideology of democracy, freedom of speech.
Yeah, in all of Mohamed Hijab’s “learning,” he forgot to learn
By Hijab 's argument"Kuran is only for Society of 1400 years back and is obsolete now !"isnt it?
Great video Abdullah unbelievable gymnastics from Hijab
Veedu Vidz well it's to be expected from hijab hajib..lol... He's a slippery pig..
Veedu Vidz its like your satire came to life "beat your wife... with love and compassion"
jxcess3891 i saw it lol.. He got tagged and starts ducking lol..so much for all that mma training.. Haha
He did the same in his presentations at kings on stoning , lots of false allegories , cherry picking his counter points to be so extreme to hide that the much more mundane cases where the sharia would hold true it would be profoundly immoral.
Veedu Vida, i believe u frequent speakers corner, i would love to see the points this gentleman makes put to hijab face to face, you could put them to him and maybe you could record the exchange and put up? I think its all fine to put up a response video but have the convictions of your ideas challenged in a fair and reasonable debate. The fella in the video I think maybe could be from abroad so he may find it difficult to come down, but it would be amazing to see him go head to head with hijab also.
Keep up the good work Abdullah.
You don't beat your wife even if she's threatening your childs life, you use minimal necessary force in order to bring the situation under control. Good work brother 👍
The sad thing is that Hijab seems like a smart, wellspoken and likeable fellow and he is wasting his life and gifts on superstition and appology for an primitive mythology. He is bordering on dishonesty in this talk. I hope he will wake up.
Morten Magnus I actually wanted to say this until I saw your comment ! Well said ! He is actually a brilliant guy wasting his mind on this nonsense ! He knows he is talking nonsense- he looks and sounds so awkward but he is too far committed so he tries to convince himself as much as his audience with his dishonest arguments!
He is getting money I guess
You said he is bordering dishonest ?bordering ? Really ? Totally dishonest to me...
more cult than mythology
All British seems like a smart, wellspoken
The energy used in The Deen video would have been better served advocating for the better treatment of spouses, and for the better treatment of women in general. The video is dedicated to twisting the meaning of words or phrases in an effort to smooth-over some clearly wrongheaded verse or religious tenet . The rationale of the "Wife beating verse" was specific, as was when physical abuse of a wife was appropriate, and it was not intended to be used only to save the life of a baby from an abusive mother. It was designed to keep a wife subservient through the use of intimidation and humiliation.
+jamshad nk Many verses and passages in holy books are open for interpretation and in some cases open to different translations. I think the best way to determine what is the most recognized translation and/or interpretation is how the verse is used in the society or culture. When it comes to basic human rights, Muslim cultures have the worst record for the treatment of women in the world. This comes through unbiased studies and data compiled over the last several years. The Pew Research Center is one source.
Brother, you got it wrong. The verse clearly says 'Nushooz' as in if your wife is listening to Nu Shooz like the song 'i can't wait'. Then you must do whatever it takes to stop that catchy tune from getting stuck in your head, even if it means slamming your wife's head on the kitchen counter before throwing the stereo out the window.
Listening to this guy Mohammed Hijab, is like watching laurel and Hardy, pure COMEDY, lol, simply awesome comedy.
Defend himself ? LMAO that was hilarious....
@@ferod8103 u are a prick
The verse says “If you fear her rebellion . . .” & not that she had already rebelled. So if a man falsely (or suspiciously) assumes rebellion he may beat her. This verse is from the mind of a misogynist.
Mohammed Hijab is lucky to have lived in the western civilization. I wonder why he escaped from his own country🤔?
Just to preach everyone and convert to islam
Perfect example of religion making intelligent ppl speak gibberish
I like how he thinks men need a verse to defend themselves but women dont #malerights#stpptheabuse
Hussain Rehman what are you exactly trying to say ?
I also noticed how he cleverly dodged the question by bringing up specific scenarios. he is using the texas sharp shooter falacy. What the texas sharp shooter means is cherry picking data or finding patterns to fit presumtions
This man is "stupid confident" at its heights.. Lol
Abdullah, you cracked it once again! Muhammad Hijab - the JOKE of the internet. Please keep up this excellent work, Abdullah!
First he says the instruction is for self-defence in men. Then he says the option to hit is not included in the instruction to women because men can disproportnately use violence when defending themself. .... or am I missing something ?
@ you could actually make a good point without resorting to clichés like goat banging :)
His name is Mohammed Hijab.
So obviously he will defend the fallacy of quran created by Mohammed in 7th century.
The creator of this youtube channel is stupid and you are blindly following him. There is nothing in Islam that says to beat wives badly. It is only light beating, which is metaphorical in nature that is allowed.
@@benkempton6293 but wouldn't Allah make it clear if that was the case?
@@fatimacisse9751@ Your name is Fatima. Are you Muslim?
@@benkempton6293 my last name will tell:)
@@fatimacisse9751@ OK, so you're not Muslim. There are two parts of Islamic scriptures: Qur'an and Hadith. It is stated in Hadith scriptures that this "beating" is just a light tap, not a harsh beating. I suggest you two websites that offer great information about Islam: letmeturnthetables.com and discover-the-truth.com
Imagine relationship advice from him
Under NO circumstances a man should ever hit women. That’s just so wrong
If a superior conscious did exist, I would expect more than an incompetent and flawed ancient book that can be perceived in so many different ways. Loving your videos brother, keep it up ❤
Bollocks isn't it? I noticed the interviewer wasn't particularly challenging.
Well the interviewer is a white Muslim convert. So you wouldn’t expect challenging questions. This is stating the obvious.
What interviewer?
The danger in this verse of "beating a wife" is, it is too general and very subjective. Men can use this to justify their violence to their wives. It can be use even if it's just a simple matters where a wife refuse to listen to his husband over budgeting of expenses etc.....
Sadly, I spent many years of my life traveling "In the Path of Allah" (upon Khurūj and through my university chaplaincy program) proselytizing and using "apologetics" to persuade people of the justification for unjust religious ideology. Islam made me speak like such a bloody idiot!
I think its amazing how Muhammad keeps referring to the BIBLE. Abdullah you did a good breakdown.
I think in context of their bigger discussion there was some bible being discussed: ruclips.net/video/jS1dmmBlDss/видео.html
There is also an imaginative interpretation of verse 4::34 by Dr. Shabir Ally in a RUclips video. In this explanation of the infamous verse, Dr. Shabir Ally puts his own slant on it. He says the verse isn't even about husbands and wives (even though the verse talks about "forsaking them in bed"). He says that the verse is about tainted women disobeying cultural rules, and the men with the proper authority being allowed to use physical force for disciplinary reasons.
Wow. Talk about a reinterpretation!!
I think the video is called _Does the Quran Support Domestic Abuse? Verse __4:34__ Explained! | Dr. Shabir Ally_ . I would put in a link but I've tried that before and the comment doesn't want to appear.
"forsaking them in bed" I bet the women are glad. Not much fun without a clitoris, after all.
@Bronze So you are under the impression that if hookers act in a nonthreatening manner then you have no reason to "forsake them in bed"? See, despite what you say, the Quran has these various steps concerning how to discipline an unruly wife, and that is what the verse is about. You can't twist it quite enough to make it about hookers.
Mohammed Hijab is just worried Muslim men can't properly defend themselves, i.e. the wife could be Kung Fu expert will killer moves (silent monkey fist) and... the innocent Muslim man will need to protect his very own life in this instance! Please... do not take Mr. Hijab out of context!
It's sort of insulting to Muhammed and allah when they try to re interpret passages from the "preserved Quran"
I keep getting comments so I keep coming back. I am very impressed with this video and Sameer’s work stays with me!
There is more than meets the eye here. This man is actually very active at the Speaker’s Corner in London. I have seen many videos. Don’t get me wrong, he is never rude or vicious, but he is a very tall, imposing, and glib figure. I am glad he looks like a babbling idiot here!
I found him very rude in one video where a women is talking to him and he keeps on combing his beard
Abdullah, for me quran is a book of Entertainment.
The more I know about Islam, more ridiculous it becomes.
Pls answer the question and stop beating the bush.
Uday Kulkarni Then produce a chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God, if you are truthful.
@@celestialknight2339 means fairytales
Uday Kulkarni , qoran in evil.manual.book and Insult to Humanity...😂
As a child we were never told that we should not read quran out of context and what one verse means it is what it says but now when clerics like thses face issues rather than being honest and say that " we used to believe that way but things have changed and we so not do that anymore " they try to think of anything I mean literally anything,,,and you could see in his face he really struggled
I didn't realise you addressed this issue, until this video came up on my feed. I watched this interview with Mohammed hijab, a while back when I was just learning a bit about Islam. Was surprised the Deen show interviewed him, like he's some sort of scholar and authority. The Deen Show usually usually is informative, but Mohammad hijab is divisive.
Why don't the Linda Sarsours, Ilhan Ohmars acknowledge that in Islam sometimes women are treated very badly, with very little recourse?. Why don't they debate with knowledgeable people like yourself? They could really help the plight of their Muslim sisters who do not have the benefit of free speech, and who are struggling risking their lives for their rights.
Secondly I was really shocked about when he said, "if the mother is hurting the child, aren't you (the father) allowed to intervene." The verse is not about parenting. That's gaslighting. It also says a lot about his own personal life. "If the mother is hurting the child???" Why would you have a child with someone whom you had no confidence to parent? Parents should be united and responsible adults in co-parenting, put any personal disagreements aside for the well being and best interest of the children. If a man has children with someone he can't coparent effectively with, and be united in regard to structure, discipline etc. What does that say about him, as a person?
Hijab is basically the giant haystacks of his day, with Ali Dawar, his waterboy.
If you coin a term: “fallacy of presentism” - you get sound impressive a d get away with a lot of bs!
Reminds me of Michael Eric Dyson. A professional charlatan.
"Looking at the philosophical or epistemological roots". Never goes wrong to throw in something like this either.
Wait? is this fallacy not a thing. Or is it not used right here
Sameer Rizvi
I never heard it before. It is just another way of saying “cultural relativism.”
Come on, admit the dude was babbling on and conflating self defense or “defense of others” with some good old fashioned 4:34 wife beating for suspected disloyalty.
At least, according to the verse, the wife gets an admonishment first. Whew, I feel better now.
Check out the statistics on domestic violence in any random Muslim country and decide if there is any correlation between them and 4:34.
ruclips.net/video/Ef1LCIvF6eU/видео.html. Bill Warner on Stefan Molyneux’s show.
Cultural relativism argument of “fallacy of presentism” is really just the “fallacy of a fool who uses big words.”
Also, check out the mute Muslim dude who is supposed to have asked a question to which this glib Hijab dude is responding. I could be mistaken, but he seems to be sitting silent and thinking with a bubble on his head, “wtf is he talking about.”
There is no contradiction. The so called prophet was simply pacifying complaining women in the Hadith given, he didn't say beating was wrong / banned Mohammed Hijab can never be taken seriously.
Excuses, Excuses...Same mentality of Abusives saying to their Victims. " Look what You MADE Me to Do " LooooooooL
Sameer you are amazing ! I started to watch ur channel suddenly and it’s like a light in my way ... well I can not say publicly bcoz I am an ordinary person and I want not open hurts on my personal life connected with Pakistan and Islam ( I am not Pakistani but I had a great great connection with religion and culture )... well , your channel is putting some light on my way ! Be sure you are make difference ! Tnx a lot ! 🙏🏻
Hitting anyone (man or woman) is not right except in self-defence
Great video Abdullah. Please note that the hadith quotes from Tirmidhi which was labelled Sahih by Albani. That would have been in the 1970's or 80's when Albani lived in Saudi Arabia. Also note the Hadith from Aisha in Sahih Bukhari where she explains that no one gets beaten up as much as the believing women.
Omg .. so much stories to defend just one line 🤣.. this ayat can’t be from god .😔
Did he just call his beloved religion primitive and outdated 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whole religion based on epilepsy.
LeTechPreneur,
Epilepsy and the hallucinations
that were part of the seizures
("fits")
Wow.. He certainly can wiggle around a verse.. and I caught that he misquoted the Bible too🤔
when a man beat his wife can wife beat the man in self defence ?
Once u leave Islam u vl naturally become soft spoken like Sameer ... And on the other hand hijab , a hard core believer
An apologist is a person who pretends to know things he definitely doesn't.
You know better Islam than he does? You think you have more knowledge in general than him? If yes, instead of writing a stupid sentence, elaborate more on why he is wrong. For now, you are just a pretentious person who is full of hate and acts with no brain with its stupid sentence
This is your best reply? I am sorry but what is the purpose of your sentence. I wish God help you be a better person
He is a peaceful man saying peaceful words. Your behavior worries me. As soon you see a muslim with a beard, you call him a terrorist and you want to eradicate him. We muslims, want peace. We are all humans after all and we should all look for each other. Despite your hate on muslims, we muslims, wish you happiness and joy in your life InshaAllah
hurt her rolling in bed ... lmao ... i hope we teach our creation :AI: better than god taught us
He is a really big bloke!
Oh my word. Hats off to this guy for trying though. Desperately trying to defend patriarchy in Islam. He's trying to please both sides but failing at it
If he is saying that today's morals are opposed to wife beating, but those of 1400 years ago allow it, and he believes it absolves the past for allowing wife-beating, isn't he practicing what is known as "past-ism"?
If you have to justify a nasty verse by a long-winded blah, blah, blah . . . . you know you’re in trouble.
"Rolling around in the bed"!!!!!!! Lmfaaaaoooo!!!!
Ah the beauty of English language, where you can speak for 20 minutes without addressing the question.
Word salad.
Urdu language also has the advantage, where they quote shayari
😂😂😂Rolling around in bed 😂😂😂 Gimme a break!!
It is also somewhat of a Conjunction Fallacy to imply that under the guise of Moral Relativism a person can not make an Empricism based judgement. In other words just because you can say two different value judgements does not then mean those value judgements nature is subjective and therefore analogous and of equal value.
For example:
Premise 1) I think killing people is okay.
Premise 2) I do not think killing people is okay.
The Conclusion C here does not mean that the two above represented values are relatively of the same value just because they were expressed. One of them can be objectively measured to be more valuable than the other viewpoint. Similarly saying " I think beating a woman is justified. " - is not on an equal footing with: " I do not think beating a woman is justified. "
Therefore the premise of the foundation of this argument is irrelevant, it has no basis in formal reasoning. I am quite certain it sounded a lot better in his own head but he is not as clever or educated as he thinks he is.
Sidenote: By making himself distinct other from those people who believe in women's rights, is he saying he does not believe women ought to have rights?
Mohammed Hijab? Wut, wait: since when is 'hijab' also a last name?? Never heard that one before :-D
It's actually head job lol
"Head job"? Sounds sensual :-D
His last name is really Taqiyya!
@@kitemanmusic _Dishonesty:_ the forte of theism, and most theists *:-/*
hijab means modesty i think. i copmetely disagree with this guy and thi k hes an ass. but dont mak bs stuff up
His excuse that it's not fair for us to compare our modern day standards to those of the 7th century (such as striking your wive being acceptable) is just horrible. Yes.. we DO get to compare and criticize it As Much As We Like. Do you know why? Because those verses were delivered by Allah. They had a TIMELESS divine deity of infinite wisdom and power to guide them and tell them what's right and what's wrong, as well as explain them every aspect of the universe and how it works (but he failed miserably for some reason... I WoNDeR WhY)
And if he dares to argue that Allah adjusted those verses to "fit" their living standards for that period of time, then.... why hasn't Allah bothered to UPDATE it for the modern society?
You could end this video at 1:27. Job done.
6:55 Who has the biggest grin on his face:
1. Abdullah
2. Cartoon Boy (left)
:-D
In islam women are just like animals.
* Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.
*Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'"
* Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) - [Muhammad said] "Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it"
* Sahih Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
*Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
Arahan alhaqiqat alsaraf This is disgusting, how can people believe in this?
LOOOOOOL, you are just picking some random words of some hadiths. You are just pathetic thinking people will be ignorant like you.
For the story of Aisha, the pressing of the chest caused ‘Aisha, may Allah bless her, some pain but it was not intended as beating rather, it was only to ward off the wrong thought that had come to her heart. This is clear from the words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him; “Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?” i.e. Allah will ask his Messenger to spend the night of Aisha’, may Allah bless turn, with some other wife.
This is just an example. I don't want to waste my time with you. Hypocrites will always hypocrite as I see. I am writing this for other to see the hypocrisy that exists
Those quoted Hadith are typical 7th ~ 9th century mumblings.... Disgusting....
@@akibsirkhan3823 you seem strangely twisted. That comment of yours is utterly screwed up
@@akibsirkhan3823 i cannot believe you just defended that, well actually i can. So pressing with such force so as to cause pain is ok? Is it ok for the women to do this the other away around? Try it now see what the law says. If this book were correct, it would cover all laws from all times.
Word play at its best.. His speciality....good video Bro
Well done Abdullah! A structured and calm rebuttal to Hijabs Olympic-level, intellectual gymnastics.
Good point Sameer Quran is not eternal book . but a clever concoction.
Clever? Nah, I can concoct better and everybody'll be happy. I surah better than the Quran! 😁😁
Caroline I say clever because it has successfully deceived billions of people of all ages.
Truthiseternal : I know, devilishly clever enough to fool a large number of people with a compilation of mostly stupid and abhorrent instructions.
“Rolling around in bed” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
once again, I see a man talking absolutely nonsense talking something he knows he is lying and want to cover it
He opened the show by relying on an Ibn Taymiyya quote, which evaluated the signs of prophethood. Taymiyya asserted that there are many false-prophets, such as Musailima “ the Liar,” a contemporary of Muhammad. Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” and that the only way to determine the authenticity of any prophet is by examining his biography (sira) and deeds, and see if he be found worthy of the title.
Being that this is the first of several episodes devoted to examining the concepts of morality and prophethood (with the notion that the former reinforces the latter), the theme for this particular episode was “purity” ( tahara): "Was Muhammad a 'pure' man?"-in this context, a question concerning his sexual mores (or lack thereof).
After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “ This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”
He then asked Muslims watching to keep in mind the question “Is this the prophet I follow?” as he delineated some of Muhammad’s sexual habits.
First, from the Qur’an, Botros read verses unequivocally stating that Muhammad is the paragon of all virtue and morality, such as “And most surely you [Muhammad] conform (yourself) to sublime morality [68: 4].” He further quoted the ulema, such as Ibn Kathir, all insisting that Muhammad was the “Noblest of all humanity, and the greatest of prophets.”
Botros and his ex-Muslim cohost-the priest had insisted that it be a man for this particular show, lest he be too ashamed to delineate Muhammad’s sexual habits-discussed Qur’an 4:3, which “limits” a Muslim's wives to four, plus “ what your right hands possess,” that is, slave-girls.
That was apparently not good enough for Muhammad, asserted Botros; an entire verse had to be “revealed” justifying more women for him (Qur’an 33:50). In fact, Father Botros has carefully compiled a list of all the women-66 are known-to have had sexual relations with Muhammad.
Botros said that was only normal: according to Sirat Al-Halabi,Muhammad can have a woman no matter what, even against her will; and if Muhammad desired a married woman, her husband would have had to divorce her. According to Ibn Sa’ad, who wrote another authoritative biographical account of Muhammad, “The prophet did not die till all women were permitted him” (see Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kubra, v.8, 194).
The co-host, rather abruptly, interjected - “What of all those rumors that Muhammadexhibited homosexual tendencies?”
Botros dropped his face in his hands and mumbled, “So you stillinsist we discuss that?” The co-host was adamant, saying it was for Muslims’ own good to know everything.
Thus Botros, after profusely apologizing to his Muslim viewers, saying how embarrassing this was for him, declared: “Look! We’re merely readers here, bringing up what we have read in Islam’s own books! If Muslims don't like it, they should go and burn these books.”
The first anecdote discussed by the priest revolved around a hadith that, while some ulema say is “ weak,” is, nonetheless according to Botros, present in 44 Islamic books-including some highly respected collections, such as Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.
According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “ the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest-prayers and blessings upon him."
Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud (one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”
Botros looked casually at the camera and said, “ Imagine if the sheikh of Al Azhar [nearest Muslim equivalent to the pope] went around lifting his shirt for men to kiss his torso” (he proceeded to make smacking kissing noises, for effect).
Said the co-host: “Surely there’s more?”
Botros: “Indeed there is. No less than 20 Islamic sources-such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal-relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls"...
Botros proceeded to read aloud from various sources, such as a hadith relayed by Abu Hurreira (deemed an extremely reliable narrator), where Muhammadsucked on the tongues of his cousin (and future caliph) Ali’s two boys, Hassan and Hussein-they of revered Shia memory.
Next he read a hadith of Muhammad sucking on the tongue of his own daughter, Fatima. Fr Botros also added that the Arabic word for “suck” (muss) cannot, as some apologists insist, mean anything but “suck.” “After all,” added the perspicacious priest, “this is the same word used when discussing Muhammad’s 'activities' with his wives, especially his beloved child-bride, Aisha.”
With an extremely disgusted look on his face, Botros turned towards the camera and said: “Dear lady, imagine, for a moment, coming home to find your husband sucking on your daughter’s tongue? What would you do? It’s even worse: it’s your prophet-the most “morally upright” man, a man to be emulated by the world! A man who on record used to go around sucking the tongues of his wives, his daughters, and young boys: Are these the activities of the man described in the Qur’an as being the pinnacle of moral perfection?” Cohost: “More!”
“Muhammad would not sleep until he kissed his daughter Fatima and nuzzled his face in her bosom [the priest provided the appropriate sources]. Dear lady! what would you say to your husband sleeping with his face in your daughter’s breast-is that the height of morality?!”
At this point, Fr Botros, looking downcast, began apologizing profusely, saying he could only imagine how all these anecdotes must be troubling for Muslims, to which the co-host reassured him: “It’s not your fault, father, but rather the fault of those Muslims recording these vile incidences. Either way: Muslims must know. More please.”
Botros continued reading more revealing hadiths, including one from the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal, which records Muhammad seeing a 2-3 year old girl in her mother’s arms. Muhammad was so “impressed” by her that he said, “By Allah, if this girl reaches marrying age and I am still alive, I will surely marry her.”
Another hadith goes on to say that Muhammad ended up dying before this particular girl reached marriage age, to which the by now vexed priest, unable to contain himself, exclaimed, “Awwww! Poor prophet! He missed one!”
Botros then told viewers to keep this last hadith in mind, for “context,” as he read another hadith from the Sunan of Bin Said, which records Muhammad saying “I hugged so-and-so when she was a child and found that I greatly desired her.”
“What prophet is this you follow?!” cried the outraged Coptic priest. “Where is his morality? This is the man that Muslims follow slavishly? Use your minds?!”
It was late in the night, yet Fr Botros was not done cataloging his findings regarding the prophet’s “sexual” habits (these shows are an hour and a half long). So, when he moved on to ahadith depicting Muhammad laying next to a dead woman in her grave, as well as pointing to hadith categories called “intercourse with a dead woman,” I happily turned off the satellite and called it a night-till this moment, as I am (somewhat reluctantly) revisiting my notes to prepare this report.
Source:
www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2009/01/024363print.html
www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2009/01/024389print.html